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Rob Lanphier-4
Hi everyone,

We're holding another ArchCom-RFC meeting this week to follow up on
the thread Yuri started about T120452.

The ArchCom status page is finally up-to-date with last week's info:
<https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_committee/Status>

(and it's quoted below)

Links!:
This week's meeting: <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/E213>
RFC for this week's meeting: <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120452>
Subject of the RFC: Allow tabular datasets on Commons (or some similar
central repository) (CSV, TSV, JSON, XML)
Location: #wikimedia-office IRC channel
Time: 2016-06-15 Wednesday 21:00 UTC (2pm PDT, 23:00 CEST)

Meetbot looks forward to scribing your presence!

Rob


----
Source of [[mw:Architecture_committee/Status]], where "phab:" links
are pointers to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org

This page provides status update for [[Requests for
comment|ArchCom-RFCs]], with an emphasis on ArchCom team member.  As
of this writing on 2016-04-29, this update is an experiment discussed
[[Topic:T2zctt083izvx07l|weekly ArchCom update discussion on the
"ArchCom/Team practices" talk page]].

===== Recent RFC meetings =====
*ArchCom Planning meeting 2016W23: 2016-06-08: [[Phab:E202]] (E156/10)
**Notes: [[Architecture committee/2016-06-08]]
*ArchCom-RFC office hour 2016W23: 2016-06-08: [[Phab:E203]] (E66/38)
** [[Phab:T89331|T89331 Replace Tidy in MW parser with HTML 5
parse/reserialize]]

===== Upcoming RFC meetings =====
*ArchCom Planning meeting 2016W24: 2016-06-15: [[Phab:E212]] (E156/11)
**Notes: [[Architecture committee/2016-06-15]]
*ArchCom-RFC office hour 2016W24: 2016-06-15: [[Phab:E213]] (E66/39)
** [[Phab:T120452|T120452]]: Allow tabular datasets on Commons (or
some similar central repository) (CSV, TSV, JSON, XML)
*** See also: comments in T124569 and T134426

===== Entering Final Comment Period =====
* None.

===== Recently Approved =====
* none

==== RFC inbox ====
* [[phab:tag/archcom-rfc/|ArchCom RFC board]]:
** [[Phab:T124569|T124569 RFC: Data namespace blob storage on wikidata.org]]

===== Shepherd status =====
* Brion
** [[Phab:T107595|T107595]] Multi-content revisions is interesting,
needed for various things in multimedia land
*** Meeting happened earlier this week; notes are on the ticket
** T66214 - predictable thumb URLs
*** Break this out into:
**** Define set of core & extensible media file options for Handler extensions
**** Predictable thumb URLs
**** Improve InstantCommons perf by reducing need to run thumbnail URL lookups
**** Iframe-based rich media embedding for InstantCommons
** plan to write up new RfCs for:
*** In-browser SVG rendering (pick up existing bug & mailing list notes)
*** iframe+CSP-isolated JS widgets for rich content
**** & extend that to InstantCommons via embedding
*** iframe+CSP-isolated JS gadgets for UI plugins
**** Build these out from ideas from hackathon project T131436
* Daniel
** Software Quality working group - will follow up on earlier
proposal.  Will talk to people at Wikimania
** Working on Multi Content Rev Spec with Brion
** T113034 [[phab:T113034|RFC: Overhaul Interwiki map, unify with
Sites and WikiMap]]: checking in with Adam
** T89733 (approved, with Stas driving implementation)
* Gabriel
** Looking into content composition working group, possibly kick-off
at Wikimania
** Discussing Multi Content Rev / RB interaction with Daniel;
follow-up at Wikimania
* Roan
** T108655 [[phab:T108655|RFC: Standardise JavaScript interfaces]]: I
need to start the second part, but the recent comments have me
confused. I'll need to talk to Timo and figure out what the subject of
part two should be.
* RobLa
** Working with [[User:DPatrick (WMF)|DPatrick]] on [[Wikimedia
Security Team]] issues in an attempt to be useful there.
** T123753 [[phab:T123753|Establish retrospective reports for Security
and Performance incidents]]
*** In scope for this group?
** Forming ArchCom-affiliated working groups
*** RFCs
**** T124504 [[phab:T124504|Transition WikiDev '16 working areas into
working groups]] and
**** T123606 [[Phab:T123606|RFC: Implement ArchCom-affiliated working
groups (process inspired by Rust's "subteams")]]
*** Testing Conpherence use for means of piloting ArchCom working
groups.  Still using [[Phab:Z425]] as asynchronous ArchCom-RFC triage
channel.  A Security/ArchCom quasi-working group discusses some issues
in [[Phab:Z411]].  I started renaming "subteams" to "working groups"
on [[Requests for comment/Governance]] (with Nemo's help).
* Tim
** [[Phab:T89331|T89331 (Replace Tidy in MW parser with HTML 5
parse/reserialize)]] - should meet to discuss migration rather than
implementation plan
** T114444 [[phab:T114444|RFC: Introduce notion of DOM scopes in
wikitext]]: (Update?)
*** Scott has implementation work in progress
* Timo
** [[phab:T18691|T18691 RFC: Section headings should have a clickable
anchor]]: Reading team expressed interest to help shape the solution.
Still open for more use cases and different ideas for how to solve it.
Possible scope creep.
** [[Phab:T135963|T135963 RFC: Implement CSP in MediaWiki]]: Was
discussed in the IRC office hours last week
([[phab:E198|https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/E198]]).

===== No activity in the last two weeks =====
* T122942 [[phab:T122942|RFC: Support language variants in the
RESTBase]] (Gabriel)
* T39902 [[phab:T39902|RFC: Implement rendering of redlinks in
Parsoid]] (no shepherd)
* T18691 [[phab:T18691|RFC: Section headings should have a clickable
anchor]] (Timo)
* T111588 [[phab:T111588|RFC: API-driven web front-end]] (Timo)
* T122825 [[phab:T122825|Service ownership and minimum maintenance
requirements]] (Gabriel)
* T105766 [[phab:T105766|RFC: Dependency graph storage]] (Gabriel)
* T66214 [[phab:T66214|Use content hash based image / thumb URLs &
define an official thumb API]] (Brion)
* T91162 [[phab:T91162|RFC: Shadow namespaces]] (Brion)
* T128351 [[phab:T128351|RFC: Notifications in core]] (Brion)
* T122825 [[phab:T122825|Service ownership and minimum maintenance
requirements]] (Gabriel)
* T54807 [[phab:T54807|Identify and remove legacy preferences from
MediaWiki core]] (no shepherd)
* T88596 [[phab:T88596|Improving extension management]] (Daniel)

===== Useful Phab links =====
* [[phab:maniphest/query/xc.j4DEYcjwu/#R|Query for shepherd assignments]]
* [[phab:search/query/lgPo47yENoTl/#R|Query for all ArchCom RFCs]]
* [[phab:project/board/52/|ArchCom-RfCs board]]

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Re: 2016W24 ArchCom RFC meeting (2016-06-15)

Pine W
I can't attend this meeting, but want to continue to voice support for
improving MediaWiki (primarily VE) and Commons ability to accept,
manipulate, and display spreadsheets and their kin.

Thanks for working on this.

Pine
On Jun 15, 2016 00:11, "Rob Lanphier" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> We're holding another ArchCom-RFC meeting this week to follow up on
> the thread Yuri started about T120452.
>
> The ArchCom status page is finally up-to-date with last week's info:
> <https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_committee/Status>
>
> (and it's quoted below)
>
> Links!:
> This week's meeting: <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/E213>
> RFC for this week's meeting: <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120452>
> Subject of the RFC: Allow tabular datasets on Commons (or some similar
> central repository) (CSV, TSV, JSON, XML)
> Location: #wikimedia-office IRC channel
> Time: 2016-06-15 Wednesday 21:00 UTC (2pm PDT, 23:00 CEST)
>
> Meetbot looks forward to scribing your presence!
>
> Rob
>
>
> ----
> Source of [[mw:Architecture_committee/Status]], where "phab:" links
> are pointers to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org
>
> This page provides status update for [[Requests for
> comment|ArchCom-RFCs]], with an emphasis on ArchCom team member.  As
> of this writing on 2016-04-29, this update is an experiment discussed
> [[Topic:T2zctt083izvx07l|weekly ArchCom update discussion on the
> "ArchCom/Team practices" talk page]].
>
> ===== Recent RFC meetings =====
> *ArchCom Planning meeting 2016W23: 2016-06-08: [[Phab:E202]] (E156/10)
> **Notes: [[Architecture committee/2016-06-08]]
> *ArchCom-RFC office hour 2016W23: 2016-06-08: [[Phab:E203]] (E66/38)
> ** [[Phab:T89331|T89331 Replace Tidy in MW parser with HTML 5
> parse/reserialize]]
>
> ===== Upcoming RFC meetings =====
> *ArchCom Planning meeting 2016W24: 2016-06-15: [[Phab:E212]] (E156/11)
> **Notes: [[Architecture committee/2016-06-15]]
> *ArchCom-RFC office hour 2016W24: 2016-06-15: [[Phab:E213]] (E66/39)
> ** [[Phab:T120452|T120452]]: Allow tabular datasets on Commons (or
> some similar central repository) (CSV, TSV, JSON, XML)
> *** See also: comments in T124569 and T134426
>
> ===== Entering Final Comment Period =====
> * None.
>
> ===== Recently Approved =====
> * none
>
> ==== RFC inbox ====
> * [[phab:tag/archcom-rfc/|ArchCom RFC board]]:
> ** [[Phab:T124569|T124569 RFC: Data namespace blob storage on wikidata.org
> ]]
>
> ===== Shepherd status =====
> * Brion
> ** [[Phab:T107595|T107595]] Multi-content revisions is interesting,
> needed for various things in multimedia land
> *** Meeting happened earlier this week; notes are on the ticket
> ** T66214 - predictable thumb URLs
> *** Break this out into:
> **** Define set of core & extensible media file options for Handler
> extensions
> **** Predictable thumb URLs
> **** Improve InstantCommons perf by reducing need to run thumbnail URL
> lookups
> **** Iframe-based rich media embedding for InstantCommons
> ** plan to write up new RfCs for:
> *** In-browser SVG rendering (pick up existing bug & mailing list notes)
> *** iframe+CSP-isolated JS widgets for rich content
> **** & extend that to InstantCommons via embedding
> *** iframe+CSP-isolated JS gadgets for UI plugins
> **** Build these out from ideas from hackathon project T131436
> * Daniel
> ** Software Quality working group - will follow up on earlier
> proposal.  Will talk to people at Wikimania
> ** Working on Multi Content Rev Spec with Brion
> ** T113034 [[phab:T113034|RFC: Overhaul Interwiki map, unify with
> Sites and WikiMap]]: checking in with Adam
> ** T89733 (approved, with Stas driving implementation)
> * Gabriel
> ** Looking into content composition working group, possibly kick-off
> at Wikimania
> ** Discussing Multi Content Rev / RB interaction with Daniel;
> follow-up at Wikimania
> * Roan
> ** T108655 [[phab:T108655|RFC: Standardise JavaScript interfaces]]: I
> need to start the second part, but the recent comments have me
> confused. I'll need to talk to Timo and figure out what the subject of
> part two should be.
> * RobLa
> ** Working with [[User:DPatrick (WMF)|DPatrick]] on [[Wikimedia
> Security Team]] issues in an attempt to be useful there.
> ** T123753 [[phab:T123753|Establish retrospective reports for Security
> and Performance incidents]]
> *** In scope for this group?
> ** Forming ArchCom-affiliated working groups
> *** RFCs
> **** T124504 [[phab:T124504|Transition WikiDev '16 working areas into
> working groups]] and
> **** T123606 [[Phab:T123606|RFC: Implement ArchCom-affiliated working
> groups (process inspired by Rust's "subteams")]]
> *** Testing Conpherence use for means of piloting ArchCom working
> groups.  Still using [[Phab:Z425]] as asynchronous ArchCom-RFC triage
> channel.  A Security/ArchCom quasi-working group discusses some issues
> in [[Phab:Z411]].  I started renaming "subteams" to "working groups"
> on [[Requests for comment/Governance]] (with Nemo's help).
> * Tim
> ** [[Phab:T89331|T89331 (Replace Tidy in MW parser with HTML 5
> parse/reserialize)]] - should meet to discuss migration rather than
> implementation plan
> ** T114444 [[phab:T114444|RFC: Introduce notion of DOM scopes in
> wikitext]]: (Update?)
> *** Scott has implementation work in progress
> * Timo
> ** [[phab:T18691|T18691 RFC: Section headings should have a clickable
> anchor]]: Reading team expressed interest to help shape the solution.
> Still open for more use cases and different ideas for how to solve it.
> Possible scope creep.
> ** [[Phab:T135963|T135963 RFC: Implement CSP in MediaWiki]]: Was
> discussed in the IRC office hours last week
> ([[phab:E198|https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/E198]]).
>
> ===== No activity in the last two weeks =====
> * T122942 [[phab:T122942|RFC: Support language variants in the
> RESTBase]] (Gabriel)
> * T39902 [[phab:T39902|RFC: Implement rendering of redlinks in
> Parsoid]] (no shepherd)
> * T18691 [[phab:T18691|RFC: Section headings should have a clickable
> anchor]] (Timo)
> * T111588 [[phab:T111588|RFC: API-driven web front-end]] (Timo)
> * T122825 [[phab:T122825|Service ownership and minimum maintenance
> requirements]] (Gabriel)
> * T105766 [[phab:T105766|RFC: Dependency graph storage]] (Gabriel)
> * T66214 [[phab:T66214|Use content hash based image / thumb URLs &
> define an official thumb API]] (Brion)
> * T91162 [[phab:T91162|RFC: Shadow namespaces]] (Brion)
> * T128351 [[phab:T128351|RFC: Notifications in core]] (Brion)
> * T122825 [[phab:T122825|Service ownership and minimum maintenance
> requirements]] (Gabriel)
> * T54807 [[phab:T54807|Identify and remove legacy preferences from
> MediaWiki core]] (no shepherd)
> * T88596 [[phab:T88596|Improving extension management]] (Daniel)
>
> ===== Useful Phab links =====
> * [[phab:maniphest/query/xc.j4DEYcjwu/#R|Query for shepherd assignments]]
> * [[phab:search/query/lgPo47yENoTl/#R|Query for all ArchCom RFCs]]
> * [[phab:project/board/52/|ArchCom-RfCs board]]
>
>  {{ArchComMinutes}}
>
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Re: 2016W24 ArchCom RFC meeting (2016-06-15)

Yuri Astrakhan-2
Thank you Pine for your support! I do hope we can get this sorted out and
deployed :)

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Pine W <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I can't attend this meeting, but want to continue to voice support for
> improving MediaWiki (primarily VE) and Commons ability to accept,
> manipulate, and display spreadsheets and their kin.
>
> Thanks for working on this.
>
> Pine
> On Jun 15, 2016 00:11, "Rob Lanphier" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > We're holding another ArchCom-RFC meeting this week to follow up on
> > the thread Yuri started about T120452.
> >
> > The ArchCom status page is finally up-to-date with last week's info:
> > <https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_committee/Status>
> >
> > (and it's quoted below)
> >
> > Links!:
> > This week's meeting: <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/E213>
> > RFC for this week's meeting: <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120452>
> > Subject of the RFC: Allow tabular datasets on Commons (or some similar
> > central repository) (CSV, TSV, JSON, XML)
> > Location: #wikimedia-office IRC channel
> > Time: 2016-06-15 Wednesday 21:00 UTC (2pm PDT, 23:00 CEST)
> >
> > Meetbot looks forward to scribing your presence!
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> > ----
> > Source of [[mw:Architecture_committee/Status]], where "phab:" links
> > are pointers to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org
> >
> > This page provides status update for [[Requests for
> > comment|ArchCom-RFCs]], with an emphasis on ArchCom team member.  As
> > of this writing on 2016-04-29, this update is an experiment discussed
> > [[Topic:T2zctt083izvx07l|weekly ArchCom update discussion on the
> > "ArchCom/Team practices" talk page]].
> >
> > ===== Recent RFC meetings =====
> > *ArchCom Planning meeting 2016W23: 2016-06-08: [[Phab:E202]] (E156/10)
> > **Notes: [[Architecture committee/2016-06-08]]
> > *ArchCom-RFC office hour 2016W23: 2016-06-08: [[Phab:E203]] (E66/38)
> > ** [[Phab:T89331|T89331 Replace Tidy in MW parser with HTML 5
> > parse/reserialize]]
> >
> > ===== Upcoming RFC meetings =====
> > *ArchCom Planning meeting 2016W24: 2016-06-15: [[Phab:E212]] (E156/11)
> > **Notes: [[Architecture committee/2016-06-15]]
> > *ArchCom-RFC office hour 2016W24: 2016-06-15: [[Phab:E213]] (E66/39)
> > ** [[Phab:T120452|T120452]]: Allow tabular datasets on Commons (or
> > some similar central repository) (CSV, TSV, JSON, XML)
> > *** See also: comments in T124569 and T134426
> >
> > ===== Entering Final Comment Period =====
> > * None.
> >
> > ===== Recently Approved =====
> > * none
> >
> > ==== RFC inbox ====
> > * [[phab:tag/archcom-rfc/|ArchCom RFC board]]:
> > ** [[Phab:T124569|T124569 RFC: Data namespace blob storage on
> wikidata.org
> > ]]
> >
> > ===== Shepherd status =====
> > * Brion
> > ** [[Phab:T107595|T107595]] Multi-content revisions is interesting,
> > needed for various things in multimedia land
> > *** Meeting happened earlier this week; notes are on the ticket
> > ** T66214 - predictable thumb URLs
> > *** Break this out into:
> > **** Define set of core & extensible media file options for Handler
> > extensions
> > **** Predictable thumb URLs
> > **** Improve InstantCommons perf by reducing need to run thumbnail URL
> > lookups
> > **** Iframe-based rich media embedding for InstantCommons
> > ** plan to write up new RfCs for:
> > *** In-browser SVG rendering (pick up existing bug & mailing list notes)
> > *** iframe+CSP-isolated JS widgets for rich content
> > **** & extend that to InstantCommons via embedding
> > *** iframe+CSP-isolated JS gadgets for UI plugins
> > **** Build these out from ideas from hackathon project T131436
> > * Daniel
> > ** Software Quality working group - will follow up on earlier
> > proposal.  Will talk to people at Wikimania
> > ** Working on Multi Content Rev Spec with Brion
> > ** T113034 [[phab:T113034|RFC: Overhaul Interwiki map, unify with
> > Sites and WikiMap]]: checking in with Adam
> > ** T89733 (approved, with Stas driving implementation)
> > * Gabriel
> > ** Looking into content composition working group, possibly kick-off
> > at Wikimania
> > ** Discussing Multi Content Rev / RB interaction with Daniel;
> > follow-up at Wikimania
> > * Roan
> > ** T108655 [[phab:T108655|RFC: Standardise JavaScript interfaces]]: I
> > need to start the second part, but the recent comments have me
> > confused. I'll need to talk to Timo and figure out what the subject of
> > part two should be.
> > * RobLa
> > ** Working with [[User:DPatrick (WMF)|DPatrick]] on [[Wikimedia
> > Security Team]] issues in an attempt to be useful there.
> > ** T123753 [[phab:T123753|Establish retrospective reports for Security
> > and Performance incidents]]
> > *** In scope for this group?
> > ** Forming ArchCom-affiliated working groups
> > *** RFCs
> > **** T124504 [[phab:T124504|Transition WikiDev '16 working areas into
> > working groups]] and
> > **** T123606 [[Phab:T123606|RFC: Implement ArchCom-affiliated working
> > groups (process inspired by Rust's "subteams")]]
> > *** Testing Conpherence use for means of piloting ArchCom working
> > groups.  Still using [[Phab:Z425]] as asynchronous ArchCom-RFC triage
> > channel.  A Security/ArchCom quasi-working group discusses some issues
> > in [[Phab:Z411]].  I started renaming "subteams" to "working groups"
> > on [[Requests for comment/Governance]] (with Nemo's help).
> > * Tim
> > ** [[Phab:T89331|T89331 (Replace Tidy in MW parser with HTML 5
> > parse/reserialize)]] - should meet to discuss migration rather than
> > implementation plan
> > ** T114444 [[phab:T114444|RFC: Introduce notion of DOM scopes in
> > wikitext]]: (Update?)
> > *** Scott has implementation work in progress
> > * Timo
> > ** [[phab:T18691|T18691 RFC: Section headings should have a clickable
> > anchor]]: Reading team expressed interest to help shape the solution.
> > Still open for more use cases and different ideas for how to solve it.
> > Possible scope creep.
> > ** [[Phab:T135963|T135963 RFC: Implement CSP in MediaWiki]]: Was
> > discussed in the IRC office hours last week
> > ([[phab:E198|https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/E198]]).
> >
> > ===== No activity in the last two weeks =====
> > * T122942 [[phab:T122942|RFC: Support language variants in the
> > RESTBase]] (Gabriel)
> > * T39902 [[phab:T39902|RFC: Implement rendering of redlinks in
> > Parsoid]] (no shepherd)
> > * T18691 [[phab:T18691|RFC: Section headings should have a clickable
> > anchor]] (Timo)
> > * T111588 [[phab:T111588|RFC: API-driven web front-end]] (Timo)
> > * T122825 [[phab:T122825|Service ownership and minimum maintenance
> > requirements]] (Gabriel)
> > * T105766 [[phab:T105766|RFC: Dependency graph storage]] (Gabriel)
> > * T66214 [[phab:T66214|Use content hash based image / thumb URLs &
> > define an official thumb API]] (Brion)
> > * T91162 [[phab:T91162|RFC: Shadow namespaces]] (Brion)
> > * T128351 [[phab:T128351|RFC: Notifications in core]] (Brion)
> > * T122825 [[phab:T122825|Service ownership and minimum maintenance
> > requirements]] (Gabriel)
> > * T54807 [[phab:T54807|Identify and remove legacy preferences from
> > MediaWiki core]] (no shepherd)
> > * T88596 [[phab:T88596|Improving extension management]] (Daniel)
> >
> > ===== Useful Phab links =====
> > * [[phab:maniphest/query/xc.j4DEYcjwu/#R|Query for shepherd assignments]]
> > * [[phab:search/query/lgPo47yENoTl/#R|Query for all ArchCom RFCs]]
> > * [[phab:project/board/52/|ArchCom-RfCs board]]
> >
> >  {{ArchComMinutes}}
> >
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