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Abusefilter and Content Translator

Ilario Valdelli
Hi all,

We are doing an edit-a-thon and some participants are using the content
translator with some complicated issues.

 

The main one is that the content translator is now integrating Google
translator but when a participant publishes the translation, the AbuseFIlter
says that it is an automatic translation from Google even if the participant
has modified the text.

 

This happens specifically in the Chinese Wikipedia. Is that normal?

 

We have seen that modifying the wiki links and the external references it
solves the problem, but in other linguistic versions the Content Translator
does it automatically.

 

In addition it doesn’t work for tables and for infoboxes.

 

May someone confirm that these issues are connected with some bugs and that
we are not doing some mistakes?

 

Kind regards

 

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Ilario Valdelli

Education Program manager and community liaison

Wikimedia CH
Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens
Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre
Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera
Switzerland - 8008 Zürich

Wikipedia:  <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario> Ilario
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Re: Abusefilter and Content Translator

Daimona
For what concerns the AbuseFilter part, it sounds like some flaky on-wiki
filter. However, I need links to check that: for instance, a few links to
the users who triggered the filter (and the wiki where the filter was
triggered).


Il giorno dom 28 apr 2019 alle ore 11:01 <[hidden email]> ha scritto:

> Hi all,
>
> We are doing an edit-a-thon and some participants are using the content
> translator with some complicated issues.
>
>
>
> The main one is that the content translator is now integrating Google
> translator but when a participant publishes the translation, the
> AbuseFIlter
> says that it is an automatic translation from Google even if the
> participant
> has modified the text.
>
>
>
> This happens specifically in the Chinese Wikipedia. Is that normal?
>
>
>
> We have seen that modifying the wiki links and the external references it
> solves the problem, but in other linguistic versions the Content Translator
> does it automatically.
>
>
>
> In addition it doesn’t work for tables and for infoboxes.
>
>
>
> May someone confirm that these issues are connected with some bugs and that
> we are not doing some mistakes?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> -------------------
>
> Ilario Valdelli
>
> Education Program manager and community liaison
>
> Wikimedia CH
> Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens
> Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre
> Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera
> Switzerland - 8008 Zürich
>
> Wikipedia:  <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario> Ilario
>  <http://www.wikimedia.ch/> http://www.wikimedia.ch
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikitech-l mailing list
> [hidden email]
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Re: Abusefilter and Content Translator

Amir E. Aharoni
In reply to this post by Ilario Valdelli
As an immediate remedy, you can try clicking on the gear icon near the
Publish button and selecting to publish to a draft page. Most likely it
won't be affected by the AbuseFilter. After the initial publishing you'll
be able to move the page to the article space. (Of course, it may be a good
idea to improve the page further before moving to the article space.)

Google Translation is most likely unrelated to this.

For a more detailed discussion I recommend this talk page:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:CX

Our team develops Content Translation, and we are very interested in
feedback from single users and from events like this, so please keep it
coming.

You can also reach me quickly on Telegram: @amire80

בתאריך יום א׳, 28 באפר׳ 2019, 12:02, מאת ‏<[hidden email]>:

> Hi all,
>
> We are doing an edit-a-thon and some participants are using the content
> translator with some complicated issues.
>
>
>
> The main one is that the content translator is now integrating Google
> translator but when a participant publishes the translation, the
> AbuseFIlter
> says that it is an automatic translation from Google even if the
> participant
> has modified the text.
>
>
>
> This happens specifically in the Chinese Wikipedia. Is that normal?
>
>
>
> We have seen that modifying the wiki links and the external references it
> solves the problem, but in other linguistic versions the Content Translator
> does it automatically.
>
>
>
> In addition it doesn’t work for tables and for infoboxes.
>
>
>
> May someone confirm that these issues are connected with some bugs and that
> we are not doing some mistakes?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> -------------------
>
> Ilario Valdelli
>
> Education Program manager and community liaison
>
> Wikimedia CH
> Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens
> Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre
> Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera
> Switzerland - 8008 Zürich
>
> Wikipedia:  <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario> Ilario
>  <http://www.wikimedia.ch/> http://www.wikimedia.ch
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikitech-l mailing list
> [hidden email]
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Re: Abusefilter and Content Translator

Vi to
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If usage of Google translate at any stage is detected by such a raw
technology as abusefilter is, then there's something wrong with the
subsequent editing.

It seems zh.wiki is struggling against poor translations, it would be *so*
wrong to go in the opposite direction.

Vito

Il giorno dom 28 apr 2019 alle ore 11:01 <[hidden email]> ha scritto:

> Hi all,
>
> We are doing an edit-a-thon and some participants are using the content
> translator with some complicated issues.
>
>
>
> The main one is that the content translator is now integrating Google
> translator but when a participant publishes the translation, the
> AbuseFIlter
> says that it is an automatic translation from Google even if the
> participant
> has modified the text.
>
>
>
> This happens specifically in the Chinese Wikipedia. Is that normal?
>
>
>
> We have seen that modifying the wiki links and the external references it
> solves the problem, but in other linguistic versions the Content Translator
> does it automatically.
>
>
>
> In addition it doesn’t work for tables and for infoboxes.
>
>
>
> May someone confirm that these issues are connected with some bugs and that
> we are not doing some mistakes?
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> -------------------
>
> Ilario Valdelli
>
> Education Program manager and community liaison
>
> Wikimedia CH
> Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens
> Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre
> Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera
> Switzerland - 8008 Zürich
>
> Wikipedia:  <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario> Ilario
>  <http://www.wikimedia.ch/> http://www.wikimedia.ch
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikitech-l mailing list
> [hidden email]
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Re: Abusefilter and Content Translator

Amir E. Aharoni
‫בתאריך יום א׳, 28 באפר׳ 2019 ב-13:58 מאת ‪Vi to‬‏ <‪[hidden email]
‬‏>:‬

> If usage of Google translate at any stage is detected by such a raw
> technology as abusefilter is, then there's something wrong with the
> subsequent editing.
>

I don't think that this is happening. It is probably impossible.


> It seems zh.wiki is struggling against poor translations, it would be *so*
> wrong to go in the opposite direction.
>

Have you seen reports that zh.wiki is struggling against poor translations
or do you deduce this from the email that started this thread?
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Re: Abusefilter and Content Translator

John Erling Blad
It is either the limit for unedited automatic translations that is set way
to high, or an admin that blames Google for whatever translated text (s)he
find. The later is not uncommon in Norwegian, even if the admins are told
several times ContentTranslation does not use Google for Norwegian
translations. (There might be some weird language where it is used.)

Not sure where I found it, but someone (somewhere) has said that the
ideographic signs in Chinese is fairly easy to translate. (Don't tell any
Chinese ideographic signs are easy, they believe they are extremely
difficult!) It is similar to the Nynorsk – Bokmål problem, the limits are
set fairly strict, meaning a lot of content has to change, which implies
publishing of the text will be blocked.

Which reminds me that the limits for Nynorsk – Bokmål should be further
relaxed.

Use of simple limits has a nasty effect; users tend to add filler-words to
increase the amount of edited text, instead they should delete unnecessary
constructs.
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