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Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

Ziyuan Yao
Hello All,

I just filed a feature request which I think is of strategic interest
to Wikipedia:

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33889

Bug 33889 - Request to add a comment section under every Wikipedia article

By providing a comment section under every Wikipedia article, we can enable
people interested in that topic to talk with each other, make friends and
exchange external resources pertaining to that topic (e.g. books, products,
jobs, external references, etc.).

Wikipedia is not just an encyclopedia; it is also a very valuable "topic
navigation and positioning service" that navigates you to any conceivable topic
in your mind, and once you're at that topic's Wikipedia article, the article's
URL becomes a unique address that "positions" that topic. With this position,
we can do many useful things (such as the ones mentioned in the previous
paragraph), just like we can do many useful things with a geographic
information system (GIS) such as Google Earth.

There are many MediaWiki extensions that can add a comment section to every
Wikipedia article. Just go to
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix/AllExtensions and search for
"comment" or "discussion".

Best Regards,
Ziyuan Yao

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Re: Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

Tom Morris-5
On 22 January 2012 21:43, Yao Ziyuan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I just filed a feature request which I think is of strategic interest
> to Wikipedia:
>
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33889
>
> Bug 33889 - Request to add a comment section under every Wikipedia article
>
> By providing a comment section under every Wikipedia article, we can enable
> people interested in that topic to talk with each other, make friends and
> exchange external resources pertaining to that topic (e.g. books, products,
> jobs, external references, etc.).
>
> Wikipedia is not just an encyclopedia; it is also a very valuable "topic
> navigation and positioning service" that navigates you to any conceivable topic
> in your mind, and once you're at that topic's Wikipedia article, the article's
> URL becomes a unique address that "positions" that topic. With this position,
> we can do many useful things (such as the ones mentioned in the previous
> paragraph), just like we can do many useful things with a geographic
> information system (GIS) such as Google Earth.
>
> There are many MediaWiki extensions that can add a comment section to every
> Wikipedia article. Just go to
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix/AllExtensions and search for
> "comment" or "discussion".
>

Sounds a bit like Article Feedback Tool v.5:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AFT5

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Re: Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

Ziyuan Yao
The Article Feedback Tool v.5 and the current "Talk" tab are for
discussing *the editing of the current article*, not for discussing
*the topic represented by the current article*, although I think these
two goals can coexist in a single discussion area.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 5:51 AM, Tom Morris <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 22 January 2012 21:43, Yao Ziyuan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I just filed a feature request which I think is of strategic interest
>> to Wikipedia:
>>
>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33889
>>
>> Bug 33889 - Request to add a comment section under every Wikipedia article
>>
>> By providing a comment section under every Wikipedia article, we can enable
>> people interested in that topic to talk with each other, make friends and
>> exchange external resources pertaining to that topic (e.g. books, products,
>> jobs, external references, etc.).
>>
>> Wikipedia is not just an encyclopedia; it is also a very valuable "topic
>> navigation and positioning service" that navigates you to any conceivable topic
>> in your mind, and once you're at that topic's Wikipedia article, the article's
>> URL becomes a unique address that "positions" that topic. With this position,
>> we can do many useful things (such as the ones mentioned in the previous
>> paragraph), just like we can do many useful things with a geographic
>> information system (GIS) such as Google Earth.
>>
>> There are many MediaWiki extensions that can add a comment section to every
>> Wikipedia article. Just go to
>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix/AllExtensions and search for
>> "comment" or "discussion".
>>
>
> Sounds a bit like Article Feedback Tool v.5:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AFT5
>
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> <http://tommorris.org/>
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Re: Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

Ziyuan Yao
For example, on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat , we can have a
single discussion area that can both talk about the editing of this
article and issues related to cats (e.g. petting them).

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 6:06 AM, Yao Ziyuan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The Article Feedback Tool v.5 and the current "Talk" tab are for
> discussing *the editing of the current article*, not for discussing
> *the topic represented by the current article*, although I think these
> two goals can coexist in a single discussion area.
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 5:51 AM, Tom Morris <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On 22 January 2012 21:43, Yao Ziyuan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I just filed a feature request which I think is of strategic interest
>>> to Wikipedia:
>>>
>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33889
>>>
>>> Bug 33889 - Request to add a comment section under every Wikipedia article
>>>
>>> By providing a comment section under every Wikipedia article, we can enable
>>> people interested in that topic to talk with each other, make friends and
>>> exchange external resources pertaining to that topic (e.g. books, products,
>>> jobs, external references, etc.).
>>>
>>> Wikipedia is not just an encyclopedia; it is also a very valuable "topic
>>> navigation and positioning service" that navigates you to any conceivable topic
>>> in your mind, and once you're at that topic's Wikipedia article, the article's
>>> URL becomes a unique address that "positions" that topic. With this position,
>>> we can do many useful things (such as the ones mentioned in the previous
>>> paragraph), just like we can do many useful things with a geographic
>>> information system (GIS) such as Google Earth.
>>>
>>> There are many MediaWiki extensions that can add a comment section to every
>>> Wikipedia article. Just go to
>>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix/AllExtensions and search for
>>> "comment" or "discussion".
>>>
>>
>> Sounds a bit like Article Feedback Tool v.5:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AFT5
>>
>> --
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>> <http://tommorris.org/>
>>
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Re: Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

David Gerard-2
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On 22 January 2012 21:43, Yao Ziyuan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello All,
> I just filed a feature request which I think is of strategic interest
> to Wikipedia:
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33889


Similar to the "Opinions" tab on Wikinews. Could be interesting. Would
need to be plausibly useful to the encyclopedia to be accepted by the
communities - what was the rationale for the "opinions" tab on
Wikinews?


- d.

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Re: Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

Tom Morris-5
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On 22 January 2012 22:08, Yao Ziyuan <[hidden email]> wrote:
> For example, on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat , we can have a
> single discussion area that can both talk about the editing of this
> article and issues related to cats (e.g. petting them).
>

Well, English Wikinews has what you are looking for by having an
Opinions namespace. See, for instance,
https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_candidate_Newt_Gingrich_wins_South_Carolina_primary

Given that we informally refer to it as "trollspace", I'm not totally
sure of the value of encouraging low-value, anonymous Internet
comments. We aren't craven pageview whores like our friends in the
commercial news website business who are quite happy to trade
intellectual standards (seriously, read a newspaper comment column)
for advertising money.

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Re: Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

Thomas Dalton
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There is already a discussion page attached to every article. It's for
discussing the article, though, rather than its topic.

While we are more than a conventional encyclopedia, we are still an
encyclopaedia and I don't think we should add job and product adverts to
our articles.

If people want to make friends, they can go to Facebook. If people want to
find or contribute encyclopedic information (and, perhaps, make some
friends along the way as an added bonus) then they should come to us.
On Jan 22, 2012 9:43 PM, "Yao Ziyuan" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I just filed a feature request which I think is of strategic interest
> to Wikipedia:
>
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33889
>
> Bug 33889 - Request to add a comment section under every Wikipedia article
>
> By providing a comment section under every Wikipedia article, we can enable
> people interested in that topic to talk with each other, make friends and
> exchange external resources pertaining to that topic (e.g. books, products,
> jobs, external references, etc.).
>
> Wikipedia is not just an encyclopedia; it is also a very valuable "topic
> navigation and positioning service" that navigates you to any conceivable
> topic
> in your mind, and once you're at that topic's Wikipedia article, the
> article's
> URL becomes a unique address that "positions" that topic. With this
> position,
> we can do many useful things (such as the ones mentioned in the previous
> paragraph), just like we can do many useful things with a geographic
> information system (GIS) such as Google Earth.
>
> There are many MediaWiki extensions that can add a comment section to every
> Wikipedia article. Just go to
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix/AllExtensions and search
> for
> "comment" or "discussion".
>
> Best Regards,
> Ziyuan Yao
>
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Re: Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

Fae-6
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As Facebook already takes our articles for the same general chitchat
reasons, it sounds like we could add a Facebook link to every article to
get the same result.

Cheers,
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Re: Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

Ziyuan Yao
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On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Tom Morris <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 22 January 2012 22:08, Yao Ziyuan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> For example, on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat , we can have a
>> single discussion area that can both talk about the editing of this
>> article and issues related to cats (e.g. petting them).
>>
>
> Well, English Wikinews has what you are looking for by having an
> Opinions namespace. See, for instance,
> https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_candidate_Newt_Gingrich_wins_South_Carolina_primary
>
> Given that we informally refer to it as "trollspace", I'm not totally
> sure of the value of encouraging low-value, anonymous Internet
> comments. We aren't craven pageview whores like our friends in the
> commercial news website business who are quite happy to trade
> intellectual standards (seriously, read a newspaper comment column)
> for advertising money.

I forgot to mention, each user can show/hide the proposed comment
section under every Wikipedia article. If you're not logged in, the
comment section can be hidden by default.

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Re: Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

Ziyuan Yao
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On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 6:13 AM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote:
> There is already a discussion page attached to every article. It's for
> discussing the article, though, rather than its topic.

Besides this, another disadvantage of the current "Talk" tab is it
uses the wiki way to talk, not the typical "comment section" we see
under every YouTube video, Flickr image, Facebook status update, etc.
The wiki way to talk may be favored by the Wikipedia community, but is
really weird to the general public.

>
> While we are more than a conventional encyclopedia, we are still an
> encyclopaedia and I don't think we should add job and product adverts to
> our articles.
>
> If people want to make friends, they can go to Facebook. If people want to
> find or contribute encyclopedic information (and, perhaps, make some
> friends along the way as an added bonus) then they should come to us.

The unique merit of using Wikipedia as a discussion place is its
uniqueness. There are many "cat forums" on the Web, but they're
scattered all over the Web; in contrast, the Wikipedia article [[Cat]]
is a unique and prominent place for the topic "cat". If people want to
go to a centralized, unified place to talk about cats, they should
come to [[Cat]].

> On Jan 22, 2012 9:43 PM, "Yao Ziyuan" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I just filed a feature request which I think is of strategic interest
>> to Wikipedia:
>>
>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33889
>>
>> Bug 33889 - Request to add a comment section under every Wikipedia article
>>
>> By providing a comment section under every Wikipedia article, we can enable
>> people interested in that topic to talk with each other, make friends and
>> exchange external resources pertaining to that topic (e.g. books, products,
>> jobs, external references, etc.).
>>
>> Wikipedia is not just an encyclopedia; it is also a very valuable "topic
>> navigation and positioning service" that navigates you to any conceivable
>> topic
>> in your mind, and once you're at that topic's Wikipedia article, the
>> article's
>> URL becomes a unique address that "positions" that topic. With this
>> position,
>> we can do many useful things (such as the ones mentioned in the previous
>> paragraph), just like we can do many useful things with a geographic
>> information system (GIS) such as Google Earth.
>>
>> There are many MediaWiki extensions that can add a comment section to every
>> Wikipedia article. Just go to
>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix/AllExtensions and search
>> for
>> "comment" or "discussion".
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Ziyuan Yao
>>
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Re: Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

Ziyuan Yao
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Yao Ziyuan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 6:13 AM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> There is already a discussion page attached to every article. It's for
>> discussing the article, though, rather than its topic.
>
> Besides this, another disadvantage of the current "Talk" tab is it
> uses the wiki way to talk, not the typical "comment section" we see
> under every YouTube video, Flickr image, Facebook status update, etc.
> The wiki way to talk may be favored by the Wikipedia community, but is
> really weird to the general public.
>
>>
>> While we are more than a conventional encyclopedia, we are still an
>> encyclopaedia and I don't think we should add job and product adverts to
>> our articles.
>>
>> If people want to make friends, they can go to Facebook. If people want to
>> find or contribute encyclopedic information (and, perhaps, make some
>> friends along the way as an added bonus) then they should come to us.
>
> The unique merit of using Wikipedia as a discussion place is its
> uniqueness. There are many "cat forums" on the Web, but they're
> scattered all over the Web; in contrast, the Wikipedia article [[Cat]]
> is a unique and prominent place for the topic "cat". If people want to
> go to a centralized, unified place to talk about cats, they should
> come to [[Cat]].

This merit is even more evident when the topic is very specialized,
e.g. [[Phonological history of English low back vowels]]. I bet there
isn't a forum on the Web dedicated to this very specialized topic, and
even if there is one, it can be very hard to find it with Google
(because it may use a slightly different term to describe this topic).
However, if every Wikipedia article has a corresponding comment
section (actually a forum), people with this special interest
("phonological history of English low back vowels") will know where to
go to find each other, forming a "special interest group" (SIG).

>
>> On Jan 22, 2012 9:43 PM, "Yao Ziyuan" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I just filed a feature request which I think is of strategic interest
>>> to Wikipedia:
>>>
>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33889
>>>
>>> Bug 33889 - Request to add a comment section under every Wikipedia article
>>>
>>> By providing a comment section under every Wikipedia article, we can enable
>>> people interested in that topic to talk with each other, make friends and
>>> exchange external resources pertaining to that topic (e.g. books, products,
>>> jobs, external references, etc.).
>>>
>>> Wikipedia is not just an encyclopedia; it is also a very valuable "topic
>>> navigation and positioning service" that navigates you to any conceivable
>>> topic
>>> in your mind, and once you're at that topic's Wikipedia article, the
>>> article's
>>> URL becomes a unique address that "positions" that topic. With this
>>> position,
>>> we can do many useful things (such as the ones mentioned in the previous
>>> paragraph), just like we can do many useful things with a geographic
>>> information system (GIS) such as Google Earth.
>>>
>>> There are many MediaWiki extensions that can add a comment section to every
>>> Wikipedia article. Just go to
>>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix/AllExtensions and search
>>> for
>>> "comment" or "discussion".
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Ziyuan Yao
>>>
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Re: Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

Thomas Dalton
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On 22 January 2012 22:31, Yao Ziyuan <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Besides this, another disadvantage of the current "Talk" tab is it
> uses the wiki way to talk, not the typical "comment section" we see
> under every YouTube video, Flickr image, Facebook status update, etc.
> The wiki way to talk may be favored by the Wikipedia community, but is
> really weird to the general public.

There has been some work done on ways to improve our talk page
interface, although nothing has ever been finished. See
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/LiquidThreads_3.0 for some info.


> The unique merit of using Wikipedia as a discussion place is its
> uniqueness. There are many "cat forums" on the Web, but they're
> scattered all over the Web; in contrast, the Wikipedia article [[Cat]]
> is a unique and prominent place for the topic "cat". If people want to
> go to a centralized, unified place to talk about cats, they should
> come to [[Cat]].

Obligatory xkcd link: http://xkcd.com/927/

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Re: Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

Ziyuan Yao
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On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 6:40 AM, Yao Ziyuan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Yao Ziyuan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 6:13 AM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> There is already a discussion page attached to every article. It's for
>>> discussing the article, though, rather than its topic.
>>
>> Besides this, another disadvantage of the current "Talk" tab is it
>> uses the wiki way to talk, not the typical "comment section" we see
>> under every YouTube video, Flickr image, Facebook status update, etc.
>> The wiki way to talk may be favored by the Wikipedia community, but is
>> really weird to the general public.
>>
>>>
>>> While we are more than a conventional encyclopedia, we are still an
>>> encyclopaedia and I don't think we should add job and product adverts to
>>> our articles.
>>>
>>> If people want to make friends, they can go to Facebook. If people want to
>>> find or contribute encyclopedic information (and, perhaps, make some
>>> friends along the way as an added bonus) then they should come to us.
>>
>> The unique merit of using Wikipedia as a discussion place is its
>> uniqueness. There are many "cat forums" on the Web, but they're
>> scattered all over the Web; in contrast, the Wikipedia article [[Cat]]
>> is a unique and prominent place for the topic "cat". If people want to
>> go to a centralized, unified place to talk about cats, they should
>> come to [[Cat]].
>
> This merit is even more evident when the topic is very specialized,
> e.g. [[Phonological history of English low back vowels]]. I bet there
> isn't a forum on the Web dedicated to this very specialized topic, and
> even if there is one, it can be very hard to find it with Google
> (because it may use a slightly different term to describe this topic).
> However, if every Wikipedia article has a corresponding comment
> section (actually a forum), people with this special interest
> ("phonological history of English low back vowels") will know where to
> go to find each other, forming a "special interest group" (SIG).

So this can mean very much for scientific research. For example,
imagine if there are two mathematicians in the world interested in the
same, very deep math concept, but they don't know each other. How do
we let them meet and collaborate with each other? With a comment
section under that math concept's Wikipedia article.

Take another example. Imagine there are two medical researchers
pursuing the same, very novel but very rarely known approach to a
major disease, but they don't know each other. How do we let them meet
and collaborate with each other? With a comment section under that
approach's Wikipedia article.

That's why I said this is of strategic interest to Wikipedia and the humankind.

>
>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2012 9:43 PM, "Yao Ziyuan" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> I just filed a feature request which I think is of strategic interest
>>>> to Wikipedia:
>>>>
>>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33889
>>>>
>>>> Bug 33889 - Request to add a comment section under every Wikipedia article
>>>>
>>>> By providing a comment section under every Wikipedia article, we can enable
>>>> people interested in that topic to talk with each other, make friends and
>>>> exchange external resources pertaining to that topic (e.g. books, products,
>>>> jobs, external references, etc.).
>>>>
>>>> Wikipedia is not just an encyclopedia; it is also a very valuable "topic
>>>> navigation and positioning service" that navigates you to any conceivable
>>>> topic
>>>> in your mind, and once you're at that topic's Wikipedia article, the
>>>> article's
>>>> URL becomes a unique address that "positions" that topic. With this
>>>> position,
>>>> we can do many useful things (such as the ones mentioned in the previous
>>>> paragraph), just like we can do many useful things with a geographic
>>>> information system (GIS) such as Google Earth.
>>>>
>>>> There are many MediaWiki extensions that can add a comment section to every
>>>> Wikipedia article. Just go to
>>>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix/AllExtensions and search
>>>> for
>>>> "comment" or "discussion".
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Ziyuan Yao
>>>>
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Re: Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

Thomas Dalton
On 22 January 2012 22:54, Yao Ziyuan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> So this can mean very much for scientific research. For example,
> imagine if there are two mathematicians in the world interested in the
> same, very deep math concept, but they don't know each other. How do
> we let them meet and collaborate with each other? With a comment
> section under that math concept's Wikipedia article.
>
> Take another example. Imagine there are two medical researchers
> pursuing the same, very novel but very rarely known approach to a
> major disease, but they don't know each other. How do we let them meet
> and collaborate with each other? With a comment section under that
> approach's Wikipedia article.
>
> That's why I said this is of strategic interest to Wikipedia and the humankind.

They can do what academics have always done: read each other's
published works and go to conferences. If a subject is so obscure that
only a handle of researchers are involved in it, then it probably
isn't sufficiently notable to have a Wikipedia article anyway.

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Re: Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

Ziyuan Yao
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 22 January 2012 22:54, Yao Ziyuan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> So this can mean very much for scientific research. For example,
>> imagine if there are two mathematicians in the world interested in the
>> same, very deep math concept, but they don't know each other. How do
>> we let them meet and collaborate with each other? With a comment
>> section under that math concept's Wikipedia article.
>>
>> Take another example. Imagine there are two medical researchers
>> pursuing the same, very novel but very rarely known approach to a
>> major disease, but they don't know each other. How do we let them meet
>> and collaborate with each other? With a comment section under that
>> approach's Wikipedia article.
>>
>> That's why I said this is of strategic interest to Wikipedia and the humankind.
>
> They can do what academics have always done: read each other's
> published works and go to conferences. If a subject is so obscure that
> only a handle of researchers are involved in it, then it probably
> isn't sufficiently notable to have a Wikipedia article anyway.

That's exactly an "egg first or chicken first" problem. Great
discoveries almost always come from rarely known ideas.

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Re: Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

Thomas Dalton
On 22 January 2012 23:08, Yao Ziyuan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> They can do what academics have always done: read each other's
>> published works and go to conferences. If a subject is so obscure that
>> only a handle of researchers are involved in it, then it probably
>> isn't sufficiently notable to have a Wikipedia article anyway.
>
> That's exactly an "egg first or chicken first" problem. Great
> discoveries almost always come from rarely known ideas.

I don't see a problem. Academia is very good at coming up with new
ideas that start off very small and obscure and, if they prove
promising, grow and become mainstream. It is only once they have
grown, at least a little, that they become appropriate subject-matter
for an encyclopaedia.

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Re: Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

Ziyuan Yao
This comment section idea can be an experiment. If it does more good
than bad, we can keep it. Otherwise we can remove it. It's just as
simple as enabling/disabling a MediaWiki extension.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 22 January 2012 23:08, Yao Ziyuan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> They can do what academics have always done: read each other's
>>> published works and go to conferences. If a subject is so obscure that
>>> only a handle of researchers are involved in it, then it probably
>>> isn't sufficiently notable to have a Wikipedia article anyway.
>>
>> That's exactly an "egg first or chicken first" problem. Great
>> discoveries almost always come from rarely known ideas.
>
> I don't see a problem. Academia is very good at coming up with new
> ideas that start off very small and obscure and, if they prove
> promising, grow and become mainstream. It is only once they have
> grown, at least a little, that they become appropriate subject-matter
> for an encyclopaedia.
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Re: Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

Thomas Dalton
On 22 January 2012 23:25, Yao Ziyuan <[hidden email]> wrote:
> This comment section idea can be an experiment. If it does more good
> than bad, we can keep it. Otherwise we can remove it. It's just as
> simple as enabling/disabling a MediaWiki extension.

How would you measure how much good and bad it did? There is no point
doing an experiment unless we have clear measures of success.

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Re: Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

Ziyuan Yao
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On 22 January 2012 23:25, Yao Ziyuan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> This comment section idea can be an experiment. If it does more good
>> than bad, we can keep it. Otherwise we can remove it. It's just as
>> simple as enabling/disabling a MediaWiki extension.
>
> How would you measure how much good and bad it did? There is no point
> doing an experiment unless we have clear measures of success.

If it's useful, we expect to see researchers claiming in the news that
they got like-minded colleagues from Wikipedia's comment sections :-)

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Re: Adding a comment section under every Wikipedia article

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On 22 January 2012 23:31, Yao Ziyuan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The wiki way to talk may be favored by the Wikipedia community, but is
> really weird to the general public.

The name 'talk page' is also a terrible name and very ambiguous as to
what it is.  A far more appropriate candidate for such a page's name
would be 'collaboration page', 'work page', 'improvement page' and so
on.

I understand why many people believe it to be a page to talk about the
article at hand rather than how to improve it.

A comment section under the article (or a trollpage like on Wikinews)
seems unlikely to benefit anything.  Most of the comments will be
unimportant, useless or altogether pointless.  And those few comments
THAT DO provide some insight or interest in the subject could either
be better used incorporated into the article *or* will get buried
among the thousands of other comments.

You think [[Cats]] isn't likely to get a lot of stupid cat comments?
And while changes to articles are worthy of maintenance for most
people to volunteer to do, I sincerely doubt you will find many who
would manage a comment system on Wikipedia.  And it *will* require
management to be useful.

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