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Ryu Cheol
Hi, all!

I searched "Wikimedia Foundation" by chance and a lot of Wikibooks,
possibly collections of Wikipedia articles. The author of the books is
"Wikimedia Foundation." I don't think Wikimedia Foundation is selling the
e-books for 2~3 dollars, and I think it is a fraud. Many buyer commented
that they want their money back.

I think the Foundation needs to find out the case and alert the bookshop.

Cheol
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Re: Author "Wikimedia Foundation" at Barnes&Nobles shop on Nook

Ryu Cheol
You can find that at this link.
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/wikibooks-wikimedia-foundation/1102082833?ean=2940012379689&itm=1&usri=wikimedia+foundation


I think anybody can sell well organized ebook on commercially.
But the author is not the Wimedia Foundation exactly. I think the seller eM
publication's business is illegitimate. It is a trademark infringement if
the foundation did not permit the use.

Cheol

2012/3/5 RYU Cheol <[hidden email]>

> Hi, all!
>
> I searched "Wikimedia Foundation" by chance and a lot of Wikibooks,
> possibly collections of Wikipedia articles. The author of the books is
> "Wikimedia Foundation." I don't think Wikimedia Foundation is selling the
> e-books for 2~3 dollars, and I think it is a fraud. Many buyer commented
> that they want their money back.
>
> I think the Foundation needs to find out the case and alert the bookshop.
>
> Cheol
>
>
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Re: Author "Wikimedia Foundation" at Barnes&Nobles shop on Nook

Sarah-128
I also wish the Wikimedia Foundation would do something about these books.

Here is one by me, or by Wikipedia, but NOT by Frederic P. Miller,
Agnes F. Vandome (Editor), and John McBrewster (Editor).
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/marshalsea-frederic-p-miller/1028062431?ean=9786130034771&itm=1&usri=marshalsea

The byline apart, it's disturbing that someone might be conned into
paying $77 for it, when they can download it for free.

Sarah


On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:24 PM, RYU Cheol <[hidden email]> wrote:

> You can find that at this link.
> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/wikibooks-wikimedia-foundation/1102082833?ean=2940012379689&itm=1&usri=wikimedia+foundation
>
>
> I think anybody can sell well organized ebook on commercially.
> But the author is not the Wimedia Foundation exactly. I think the seller eM
> publication's business is illegitimate. It is a trademark infringement if
> the foundation did not permit the use.
>
> Cheol
>
> 2012/3/5 RYU Cheol <[hidden email]>
>
>> Hi, all!
>>
>> I searched "Wikimedia Foundation" by chance and a lot of Wikibooks,
>> possibly collections of Wikipedia articles. The author of the books is
>> "Wikimedia Foundation." I don't think Wikimedia Foundation is selling the
>> e-books for 2~3 dollars, and I think it is a fraud. Many buyer commented
>> that they want their money back.
>>
>> I think the Foundation needs to find out the case and alert the bookshop.
>>
>> Cheol
>>
>>
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Re: Author "Wikimedia Foundation" at Barnes&Nobles shop on Nook

Neil Babbage

So, correct WMF is not the author and this should be changed. Listing people as editors of a book using material from WP or any other project is acceptable. The terms of use and licenses simply require the appropriate attribution and you'd need to buy the book to confirm if this has or hasn't been done. However my view on this is that this reuse was exactly what was intended when the decision was made to make the content freely available and we aren't in a position to complain now. If this wasn't intended then Jimbo could have started WP with a "no commercial use" license. Sure it seems a rip off to us but there are always going to be people who buy stuff they could get for free - bottled water anyone?

Personally I'd like to see someone set up a pay wall version of WP that has strict content control making it available to those groups that won't trust or use WP because of its free-for-all nature. Someone will make money but more knowledge will be spread which I think outweighs the "evil" of charging a fee...


Neil / QuiteUnusual@Wikibooks

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 shop on Nook

I also wish the Wikimedia Foundation would do something about these books.

Here is one by me, or by Wikipedia, but NOT by Frederic P. Miller,
Agnes F. Vandome (Editor), and John McBrewster (Editor).
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/marshalsea-frederic-p-miller/1028062431?ean=9786130034771&itm=1&usri=marshalsea

The byline apart, it's disturbing that someone might be conned into
paying $77 for it, when they can download it for free.

Sarah


On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:24 PM, RYU Cheol <[hidden email]> wrote:

> You can find that at this link.
> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/wikibooks-wikimedia-foundation/1102082833?ean=2940012379689&itm=1&usri=wikimedia+foundation
>
>
> I think anybody can sell well organized ebook on commercially.
> But the author is not the Wimedia Foundation exactly. I think the seller eM
> publication's business is illegitimate. It is a trademark infringement if
> the foundation did not permit the use.
>
> Cheol
>
> 2012/3/5 RYU Cheol <[hidden email]>
>
>> Hi, all!
>>
>> I searched "Wikimedia Foundation" by chance and a lot of Wikibooks,
>> possibly collections of Wikipedia articles. The author of the books is
>> "Wikimedia Foundation." I don't think Wikimedia Foundation is selling the
>> e-books for 2~3 dollars, and I think it is a fraud. Many buyer commented
>> that they want their money back.
>>
>> I think the Foundation needs to find out the case and alert the bookshop.
>>
>> Cheol
>>
>>
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Re: Author "Wikimedia Foundation" at Barnes&Nobles shop on Nook

John Mark Vandenberg
The problem isnt that they are providing ebooks, but

1. they are "By Wikimedia Foundation"
    http://www.barnesandnoble.com/c/wikimedia-foundation
2. they are poor quality, or dont work

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/wikibooks-wikimedia-founation/1029279842

"I hardly ever write negative reviews. WIKI has produced excellent
books on numerous wars and aircraft I am sure this would be of
excellent quality if it would load. The book does not load. The
loading screen comes up then after about 3-4 seconds, it closes and
goes back to the homescreen.

I have a Nook Tablet."

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/wikibooks-wikimedia-foundation/1102082833

"Has no organization. Seems to be a collection of random notes. The
code examples do not render well on nook (dashes are missing, word
wrapping is messed up, line numbers are off). You will not learn C by
reading this book"

"Don't buy this one.

Very hard to navigate! The contents list is impossible."

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Neil Babbage <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> So, correct WMF is not the author and this should be changed. Listing people as editors of a book using material from WP or any other project is acceptable. The terms of use and licenses simply require the appropriate attribution and you'd need to buy the book to confirm if this has or hasn't been done. However my view on this is that this reuse was exactly what was intended when the decision was made to make the content freely available and we aren't in a position to complain now. If this wasn't intended then Jimbo could have started WP with a "no commercial use" license. Sure it seems a rip off to us but there are always going to be people who buy stuff they could get for free - bottled water anyone?
>
> Personally I'd like to see someone set up a pay wall version of WP that has strict content control making it available to those groups that won't trust or use WP because of its free-for-all nature. Someone will make money but more knowledge will be spread which I think outweighs the "evil" of charging a fee...
>
>
> Neil / QuiteUnusual@Wikibooks
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sarah <[hidden email]>
> Sender: [hidden email]
> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 19:27:39
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List<[hidden email]>
> Reply-To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Author "Wikimedia Foundation" at Barnes&Nobles
>  shop on Nook
>
> I also wish the Wikimedia Foundation would do something about these books.
>
> Here is one by me, or by Wikipedia, but NOT by Frederic P. Miller,
> Agnes F. Vandome (Editor), and John McBrewster (Editor).
> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/marshalsea-frederic-p-miller/1028062431?ean=9786130034771&itm=1&usri=marshalsea
>
> The byline apart, it's disturbing that someone might be conned into
> paying $77 for it, when they can download it for free.
>
> Sarah
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:24 PM, RYU Cheol <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> You can find that at this link.
>> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/wikibooks-wikimedia-foundation/1102082833?ean=2940012379689&itm=1&usri=wikimedia+foundation
>>
>>
>> I think anybody can sell well organized ebook on commercially.
>> But the author is not the Wimedia Foundation exactly. I think the seller eM
>> publication's business is illegitimate. It is a trademark infringement if
>> the foundation did not permit the use.
>>
>> Cheol
>>
>> 2012/3/5 RYU Cheol <[hidden email]>
>>
>>> Hi, all!
>>>
>>> I searched "Wikimedia Foundation" by chance and a lot of Wikibooks,
>>> possibly collections of Wikipedia articles. The author of the books is
>>> "Wikimedia Foundation." I don't think Wikimedia Foundation is selling the
>>> e-books for 2~3 dollars, and I think it is a fraud. Many buyer commented
>>> that they want their money back.
>>>
>>> I think the Foundation needs to find out the case and alert the bookshop.
>>>
>>> Cheol
>>>

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Re: Author "Wikimedia Foundation" at Barnes&Nobles shop on Nook

Richard Symonds-3
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I would suggest, quietly, that these books suggest that we endorse their
use of the work. There's also the issue of our 'moral rights', which in
some countries would mean that we could get our names removed from the
text....

Richard Symonds
Office&  Development Manager
Wikimedia UK
+44 (0) 207 065 0992
--
Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Charitable Company
Registered in England and Wales, No: 6741827. Charity No:1144513 Office: 4th Floor, Development House,  56-64 Leonard Street,
London EC2A 4LT.
Wikimedia UK is the local chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate
Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit
organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for
its contents.


On 06/03/2012 08:39, Neil Babbage wrote:

> So, correct WMF is not the author and this should be changed. Listing people as editors of a book using material from WP or any other project is acceptable. The terms of use and licenses simply require the appropriate attribution and you'd need to buy the book to confirm if this has or hasn't been done. However my view on this is that this reuse was exactly what was intended when the decision was made to make the content freely available and we aren't in a position to complain now. If this wasn't intended then Jimbo could have started WP with a "no commercial use" license. Sure it seems a rip off to us but there are always going to be people who buy stuff they could get for free - bottled water anyone?
>
> Personally I'd like to see someone set up a pay wall version of WP that has strict content control making it available to those groups that won't trust or use WP because of its free-for-all nature. Someone will make money but more knowledge will be spread which I think outweighs the "evil" of charging a fee...
>
>
> Neil / QuiteUnusual@Wikibooks
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sarah<[hidden email]>
> Sender: [hidden email]
> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 19:27:39
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List<[hidden email]>
> Reply-To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List<[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Author "Wikimedia Foundation" at Barnes&Nobles
>   shop on Nook
>
> I also wish the Wikimedia Foundation would do something about these books.
>
> Here is one by me, or by Wikipedia, but NOT by Frederic P. Miller,
> Agnes F. Vandome (Editor), and John McBrewster (Editor).
> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/marshalsea-frederic-p-miller/1028062431?ean=9786130034771&itm=1&usri=marshalsea
>
> The byline apart, it's disturbing that someone might be conned into
> paying $77 for it, when they can download it for free.
>
> Sarah
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:24 PM, RYU Cheol<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> You can find that at this link.
>> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/wikibooks-wikimedia-foundation/1102082833?ean=2940012379689&itm=1&usri=wikimedia+foundation
>>
>>
>> I think anybody can sell well organized ebook on commercially.
>> But the author is not the Wimedia Foundation exactly. I think the seller eM
>> publication's business is illegitimate. It is a trademark infringement if
>> the foundation did not permit the use.
>>
>> Cheol
>>
>> 2012/3/5 RYU Cheol<[hidden email]>
>>
>>> Hi, all!
>>>
>>> I searched "Wikimedia Foundation" by chance and a lot of Wikibooks,
>>> possibly collections of Wikipedia articles. The author of the books is
>>> "Wikimedia Foundation." I don't think Wikimedia Foundation is selling the
>>> e-books for 2~3 dollars, and I think it is a fraud. Many buyer commented
>>> that they want their money back.
>>>
>>> I think the Foundation needs to find out the case and alert the bookshop.
>>>
>>> Cheol
>>>
>>>
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Re: Author "Wikimedia Foundation" at Barnes&Nobles shop on Nook

Federico Leva (Nemo)
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John Vandenberg, 06/03/2012 10:23:
> The problem isnt that they are providing ebooks, but
>
> 1. they are "By Wikimedia Foundation"
>      http://www.barnesandnoble.com/c/wikimedia-foundation
> 2. they are poor quality, or dont work

The second is their problem, but the first is clearly untrue and
illegal. Luckily there are only five such items at that link, while the
others are more truthful (including some linked by others in this
thread, although they seem to mention "Wikipedia" on the cover as a sign
of approval), but these five must be corrected.
The WMF legals should be made aware of it, if they're not yet. In this
case a letter to B&N probably suffices.

Nemo

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Ryan Kaldari-2
I've notified the WMF legal department.

Ryan Kaldari

On Mar 6, 2012, at 8:49 AM, "Federico Leva (Nemo)" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> John Vandenberg, 06/03/2012 10:23:
>> The problem isnt that they are providing ebooks, but
>>
>> 1. they are "By Wikimedia Foundation"
>>     http://www.barnesandnoble.com/c/wikimedia-foundation
>> 2. they are poor quality, or dont work
>
> The second is their problem, but the first is clearly untrue and illegal. Luckily there are only five such items at that link, while the others are more truthful (including some linked by others in this thread, although they seem to mention "Wikipedia" on the cover as a sign of approval), but these five must be corrected.
> The WMF legals should be made aware of it, if they're not yet. In this case a letter to B&N probably suffices.
>
> Nemo
>
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Re: Author "Wikimedia Foundation" at Barnes&Nobles shop on Nook

Peter Coombe
Things like this have been sold online for a while, but funnily enough
I actually came across one of the Alphascript ones in a real-life
bookstore yesterday! (A branch of Waterstones in the UK) It was very
similar to the Marshalsea one Sarah linked, but about the film "Live
and Let Die". Actually I didn't see a price on it, suppose I should go
back sometime and check.

Picture: http://t.co/GYGMUxUx

There are actually several pages crediting contributors at the back,
albeit in very small print. http://t.co/507nGHwW And in this case I
didn't see anything indicating authorship or endorsement by WMF, so
IANAL but Alphascript may well be in the clear on these legally. The
other ones on B&N are certainly problematic though.

Peter


On 6 March 2012 17:34, Ryan Kaldari <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I've notified the WMF legal department.
>
> Ryan Kaldari
>
> On Mar 6, 2012, at 8:49 AM, "Federico Leva (Nemo)" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> John Vandenberg, 06/03/2012 10:23:
>>> The problem isnt that they are providing ebooks, but
>>>
>>> 1. they are "By Wikimedia Foundation"
>>>     http://www.barnesandnoble.com/c/wikimedia-foundation
>>> 2. they are poor quality, or dont work
>>
>> The second is their problem, but the first is clearly untrue and illegal. Luckily there are only five such items at that link, while the others are more truthful (including some linked by others in this thread, although they seem to mention "Wikipedia" on the cover as a sign of approval), but these five must be corrected.
>> The WMF legals should be made aware of it, if they're not yet. In this case a letter to B&N probably suffices.
>>
>> Nemo
>>
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