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Bot policy for all wikis

White Cat
We should require interwiki bot operators to

Know each language they operate their bot so that they can read and memorize
each and every bot policy.

Expect them to watch and follow each and every talk page on every wiki.
Require them to have 5-10 checks of these talk pages per day.

Wait several years (for the wiki to grow) before getting a bot flag.

Or would that be unreasonable?

Perhaps a unified standard bot policy is needed for mindless tasks like
interwiki linking, double redirect fixing and commons delinking.

The interwiki bot policy would set the standard for these mindless tasks.
Such a standard would let bot operators to operate more efficiently.
Particularly the largest wikis and the smallest wikis are very aloof from
such a standard.

Very small wikis often have a mini dictatorship by a few users (not
referancing anybody spesific). Such small wikis generally have cooperative
people but sometimes the wikis regulars do not understand what interwiki
bots and botflags are about and why such are necessary.

Very large wikis often have overly complicated policies. For someone only
interested in dealing with mindless bot tasks these pose an unnecessary
bureaucracy. Due to the language barrier reading these policies alone can be
quite a challenge.

     - White Cat
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Re: Bot policy for all wikis

Jon-146
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Is there an existing issue?

Jon


White Cat wrote:

> We should require interwiki bot operators to
>
> Know each language they operate their bot so that they can read and memorize
> each and every bot policy.
>
> Expect them to watch and follow each and every talk page on every wiki.
> Require them to have 5-10 checks of these talk pages per day.
>
> Wait several years (for the wiki to grow) before getting a bot flag.
>
> Or would that be unreasonable?
>
> Perhaps a unified standard bot policy is needed for mindless tasks like
> interwiki linking, double redirect fixing and commons delinking.
>
> The interwiki bot policy would set the standard for these mindless tasks.
> Such a standard would let bot operators to operate more efficiently.
> Particularly the largest wikis and the smallest wikis are very aloof from
> such a standard.
>
> Very small wikis often have a mini dictatorship by a few users (not
> referancing anybody spesific). Such small wikis generally have cooperative
> people but sometimes the wikis regulars do not understand what interwiki
> bots and botflags are about and why such are necessary.
>
> Very large wikis often have overly complicated policies. For someone only
> interested in dealing with mindless bot tasks these pose an unnecessary
> bureaucracy. Due to the language barrier reading these policies alone can be
> quite a challenge.
>
>      - White Cat
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Re: Bot policy for all wikis

White Cat
For people who operate bots on many wikis? Yes. For everyone else? They are
rather ignorant to the problem.

Several wikis bot policy is incompatible with other wikis. Their policy is
more restrictive. Seeking a local consensus on the matter is difficult for a
person who does not understand the native language. In addition it would be
easier for a community to adopt an interwiki standard rather than one
persons opinion

Granting of a bot flag should not be based on a vote or some other
subjective criteria. On en.wikipedia granting of the bot flag is explicitly
stated not to be a vote. On some of the other wikis granting of the bot flag
is explicitly a vote.

If possible test periods and individual bot flag requests for mindless stuff
like interwiki-linking, double redirecting, or commonsdelinking should not
be made a bureaucratic issue. Local communities should show a bit more
understanding to bot operators.

   - White Cat

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:51 AM, Jon <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> Is there an existing issue?
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> Jon
>
>
> White Cat wrote:
> > We should require interwiki bot operators to
> >
> > Know each language they operate their bot so that they can read and
> memorize
> > each and every bot policy.
> >
> > Expect them to watch and follow each and every talk page on every wiki.
> > Require them to have 5-10 checks of these talk pages per day.
> >
> > Wait several years (for the wiki to grow) before getting a bot flag.
> >
> > Or would that be unreasonable?
> >
> > Perhaps a unified standard bot policy is needed for mindless tasks like
> > interwiki linking, double redirect fixing and commons delinking.
> >
> > The interwiki bot policy would set the standard for these mindless tasks.
> > Such a standard would let bot operators to operate more efficiently.
> > Particularly the largest wikis and the smallest wikis are very aloof from
> > such a standard.
> >
> > Very small wikis often have a mini dictatorship by a few users (not
> > referancing anybody spesific). Such small wikis generally have
> cooperative
> > people but sometimes the wikis regulars do not understand what interwiki
> > bots and botflags are about and why such are necessary.
> >
> > Very large wikis often have overly complicated policies. For someone only
> > interested in dealing with mindless bot tasks these pose an unnecessary
> > bureaucracy. Due to the language barrier reading these policies alone can
> be
> > quite a challenge.
> >
> >      - White Cat
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Re: Bot policy for all wikis

Luna-4
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Might be more appropriate for meta or foundation-l, since this topic seems
to affect far more than just en.wikipedia
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Re: Bot policy for all wikis

Alex G-3
Agreed with Luna. I also think raising this with the current board
candidates would be interesting.

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Luna <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Might be more appropriate for meta or foundation-l, since this topic seems
> to affect far more than just en.wikipedia
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Re: Bot policy for all wikis

Andrew Gray
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2008/5/28 White Cat <[hidden email]>:

> We should require interwiki bot operators to
>
> Know each language they operate their bot so that they can read and memorize
> each and every bot policy.
>
> Expect them to watch and follow each and every talk page on every wiki.
> Require them to have 5-10 checks of these talk pages per day.
>
> Wait several years (for the wiki to grow) before getting a bot flag.
>
> Or would that be unreasonable?

...this does sound like a set of criteria that would guarantee we have
no bots whatsoever.

(Memorise? Ahahahahah.)

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Re: Bot policy for all wikis

White Cat
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Can someone forward it to foundation-l then?

   - White Cat

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Alex G <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Agreed with Luna. I also think raising this with the current board
> candidates would be interesting.
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Luna <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Might be more appropriate for meta or foundation-l, since this topic
> seems
> > to affect far more than just en.wikipedia
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Re: Bot policy for all wikis

Katie Chan
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:25 +0300, White Cat wrote:
> Can someone forward it to foundation-l then?
>
>    - White Cat
>

Done. :)

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