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The Charity Navigator site has evaluated and rated the Wikimedia Foundation: http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=11212 Despite an overall three-star rating (out of four), WMF was only rated two stars for Organization Efficency. This is described by Charity Navigator as "Meets or nearly meets industry standards but underperforms most charities in its Cause". The Charity Navigator site further states: "Our data shows that 7 out of 10 charities we've evaluated spend at least 75% of their budget on the programs and services they exist to provide. And 9 out of 10 spend at least 65%. We believe that those spending less than a third of their budget on program expenses are simply not living up to their missions. Charities demonstrating such gross inefficiency receive zero points for their overall organizational efficiency score." While the WMF seemed to be narrowly meeting these guidelines (according to the site's "Revenue/Expenses Trend" histogram) in perhaps 2007, it appears that in 2008, the trend got decidedly worse. Perhaps I am misinterpreting the criteria and/or the graphic. But, the 2-out-of-4 stars rating is decidedly clear. For comparison, witness an organization cited by Charity Navigator as "similar" to the WMF -- the Reason Foundation -- and see how their Expenses are a much larger portion of revenue for them, and thus obtain a 3-star rating: http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=7481 I am wondering (and I suppose others may be, too) whether the staff and board feel that Charity Navigator is a reputable and credible measurement service, and if so, are you satisfied with receiving two out of four stars in this area, and if not what do you plan to change to improve the rating next year? Gregory Kohs _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
2009/10/8 Gregory Kohs <[hidden email]>:
> Despite an overall three-star rating (out of four), WMF was only rated two > stars for Organization Efficency. This is described by Charity Navigator as > "Meets or nearly meets industry standards but underperforms most charities > in its Cause". The Charity Navigator site further states: The WMF is unique in being so massively volunteer driven. The WMF exists to run the servers and handle the admin, almost everything else is done by volunteers and doesn't appear on the income statement. It's inevitable that the WMF will spend a lot of its money on admin. If you include volunteer time on the income statement, even at a nominal rate of $1/hr or something, then we would be spending almost all our resources on programmes. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote:
> 2009/10/8 Gregory Kohs <[hidden email]>: >> Despite an overall three-star rating (out of four), WMF was only rated two >> stars for Organization Efficency. This is described by Charity Navigator as >> "Meets or nearly meets industry standards but underperforms most charities >> in its Cause". The Charity Navigator site further states: > > The WMF is unique in being so massively volunteer driven. The WMF > exists to run the servers and handle the admin, almost everything else > is done by volunteers and doesn't appear on the income statement. It's > inevitable that the WMF will spend a lot of its money on admin. If you > include volunteer time on the income statement, even at a nominal rate > of $1/hr or something, then we would be spending almost all our > resources on programmes. The WMF is not entirely unique in that regard; many other charities are largely volunteer (cf Red Cross). However, the "Foundation as professionally organized core around which a much larger volunteer activity rotates" is fairly rare. -- -george william herbert [hidden email] _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
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2009/10/8 Gregory Kohs <[hidden email]>:
> "Our data shows that 7 out of 10 charities we've evaluated spend at least > 75% of their budget on the programs and services they exist to provide. And > 9 out of 10 spend at least 65%. We believe that those spending less than a > third of their budget on program expenses are simply not living up to their > missions. Charities demonstrating such gross inefficiency receive zero > points for their overall organizational efficiency score." > > While the WMF seemed to be narrowly meeting these guidelines (according to > the site's "Revenue/Expenses Trend" histogram) in perhaps 2007, it appears > that in 2008, the trend got decidedly worse. Perhaps I am misinterpreting > the criteria and/or the graphic. But, the 2-out-of-4 stars rating is > decidedly clear. As far as I can see, the "...at least 75% ... at least 65% ... less than a third" relates to the proportion of program expenses to overall expenditure, which as the table and pie-chart shows is ~66% for the WMF. The histogram doesn't seem to directly relate to those numbers or that criteria; it shows absolute program expenses against absolute overall *income*, not expenditure. I think interpreting the proportions of the histogram using the rules applied to a different ratio is going to get confusing. (The reason it seems to have got "substantially worse" is a $4.3m increase in income against a $800k increase in expenses, compared to an increase of $1m in income versus $800k in expenses from 2006-2007. I do not know to what extent this will continue in 09.) WMF could no doubt spend a lot more in program expenses, though defining exactly what those are is a pretty fun game. But it's certainly not spending as inefficiently as the histogram might seem to suggest. > For comparison, witness an organization cited by Charity Navigator as > "similar" to the WMF -- the Reason Foundation -- and see how their Expenses > are a much larger portion of revenue for them, and thus obtain a 3-star > rating: > http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=7481 Again, expenses/revenue isn't where the rating comes from; it's program expenses/total expenses. Reason are indeed doing better at this than WMF - 87% versus 65% - but it's important to distinguish between the two ratios. It's interesting to note that Reason show the same expenses pattern as WMF; they have program expenses increasing at a fairly linear $1m/year, but unlike WMF their income is plateauing - they'll be exceeding their income this year at that rate! -- - Andrew Gray [hidden email] _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
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Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/10/8 Gregory Kohs <[hidden email]>: > >> Despite an overall three-star rating (out of four), WMF was only rated two >> stars for Organization Efficency. This is described by Charity Navigator as >> "Meets or nearly meets industry standards but underperforms most charities >> in its Cause". The Charity Navigator site further states: >> > The WMF is unique in being so massively volunteer driven. The WMF > exists to run the servers and handle the admin, almost everything else > is done by volunteers and doesn't appear on the income statement. It's > inevitable that the WMF will spend a lot of its money on admin. If you > include volunteer time on the income statement, even at a nominal rate > of $1/hr or something, then we would be spending almost all our > resources on programmes. > nonprofits that also benefit from volunteer resources on a large scale. But that's often not something a ratings site will consider in determining "similarity" of organizations, when it even gets beyond evaluation with one-size-fits-all formulas. Not that these issues are easily reduced to formulas, as we have already found in various settings where it's a challenge to adequately express the scope of what Wikimedia volunteers do. We do pay attention to the efficiency of operations and how funds are spent, not merely for the sake of appearances but as something valuable in its own right. With that in mind, it's more useful to look directly at ways of achieving greater efficiency than to debate how important it is for us to meet arbitrary standards. So in that sense I'd actually consider arguing over the propriety of covering meal expenses, even with the possible cultural insensitivity involved, a more valuable discussion. --Michael Snow _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
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2009/10/8 George Herbert <[hidden email]>:
> The WMF is not entirely unique in that regard; many other charities > are largely volunteer (cf Red Cross). According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cross#Activities: "Altogether, there are about 97 million people worldwide who serve with the ICRC, the International Federation, and the National Societies. And there are about 12,000 total full time staff members." That is a ratio of about 8,000 volunteers per staff member. The Wikimedia movement has perhaps 40 staff including the WMF and chapters. At the same ratio, that would give us 320,000 volunteers. I don't know how many volunteers we have, but I think it is rather more than that. Obviously, just counting volunteers doesn't give the whole picture, but it's the best I can do without lots more research. So, perhaps we aren't quite unique, but we are more extreme that any other similar charity movement I know of. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote:
> 2009/10/8 George Herbert <[hidden email]>: >> The WMF is not entirely unique in that regard; many other charities >> are largely volunteer (cf Red Cross). > > According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cross#Activities: > > "Altogether, there are about 97 million people worldwide who serve > with the ICRC, the International Federation, and the National > Societies. And there are about 12,000 total full time staff members." > > That is a ratio of about 8,000 volunteers per staff member. > > The Wikimedia movement has perhaps 40 staff including the WMF and > chapters. At the same ratio, that would give us 320,000 volunteers. I > don't know how many volunteers we have, but I think it is rather more > than that. Obviously, just counting volunteers doesn't give the whole > picture, but it's the best I can do without lots more research. So, > perhaps we aren't quite unique, but we are more extreme that any other > similar charity movement I know of. It's hard to compare volunteer activity levels across different types of projects - WMF, Habitat for Humanity, the Red Cross, etc. One could attempt to, grading them by involvement and committment level (Arbcom, OTRS volunteers, normal admins, active editors, inactive or intermittent editors, distinct IPs who contributed something, etc). There are on and off discussions about those statistics. Red Cross volunteers do a little bit of prep work, typically, and a little training each year. And then a disaster hits and they drop everything and respond. It's hard to compare committment to drop your life and work and go rush off to a disaster for a few days or week, with the constant low to moderate involvement of our core volunteer groups. They're qualatatively different types of committment. -- -george william herbert [hidden email] _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
2009/10/8 George Herbert <[hidden email]>:
> Red Cross volunteers do a little bit of prep work, typically, and a > little training each year. And then a disaster hits and they drop > everything and respond. Are most Red Cross volunteers directly involved in disaster response? I would expect most of them to be doing fundraising, education and publicity, and long term projects. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote:
> 2009/10/8 George Herbert <[hidden email]>: >> Red Cross volunteers do a little bit of prep work, typically, and a >> little training each year. And then a disaster hits and they drop >> everything and respond. > > Are most Red Cross volunteers directly involved in disaster response? > I would expect most of them to be doing fundraising, education and > publicity, and long term projects. My experience - which may not be typical - is that they have a few people doing training instruction (first aid / first responder training, disaster training etc), a lot of people who are actual disaster responders (with much of the first group, and many more), and relatively few doing other stuff. I don't know what their statistics are, though, so I don't know if my experience is statistically valid across their volunteer set... -- -george william herbert [hidden email] _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
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On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote:
> 2009/10/8 George Herbert <[hidden email]>: >> The WMF is not entirely unique in that regard; many other charities >> are largely volunteer (cf Red Cross). > > According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cross#Activities: > > "Altogether, there are about 97 million people worldwide who serve > with the ICRC, the International Federation, and the National > Societies. And there are about 12,000 total full time staff members." > > That is a ratio of about 8,000 volunteers per staff member. > > The Wikimedia movement has perhaps 40 staff including the WMF and > chapters. At the same ratio, that would give us 320,000 volunteers. I > don't know how many volunteers we have, but I think it is rather more > than that. Depends how you define "volunteers". How many people were eligible to vote in the last board election? I have no idea the number, but I guess that's a reasonable definition of "volunteers". _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
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2009/10/8 George Herbert <[hidden email]>:
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote: >> 2009/10/8 George Herbert <[hidden email]>: >>> Red Cross volunteers do a little bit of prep work, typically, and a >>> little training each year. And then a disaster hits and they drop >>> everything and respond. >> >> Are most Red Cross volunteers directly involved in disaster response? >> I would expect most of them to be doing fundraising, education and >> publicity, and long term projects. > > My experience - which may not be typical - is that they have a few > people doing training instruction (first aid / first responder > training, disaster training etc), a lot of people who are actual > disaster responders (with much of the first group, and many more), > and relatively few doing other stuff. > > I don't know what their statistics are, though, so I don't know if my > experience is statistically valid across their volunteer set... The British Red Cross has a list of ways to volunteer: http://www.redcross.org.uk/TLC.asp?id=75777 Emergency response is just one part of one item on that list. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote:
> The British Red Cross has a list of ways to volunteer: > > http://www.redcross.org.uk/TLC.asp?id=75777 > > Emergency response is just one part of one item on that list. I gave blood once. Am I a Red Cross volunteer? I once helped out at a blood drive when I was in high school. Was I a Red Cross volunteer, and if so, for how long? The WMF is unique, but I'm not sure that's a good excuse - more like part of the problem. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
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2009/10/8 Anthony <[hidden email]>:
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote: >> 2009/10/8 George Herbert <[hidden email]>: >>> The WMF is not entirely unique in that regard; many other charities >>> are largely volunteer (cf Red Cross). >> >> According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cross#Activities: >> >> "Altogether, there are about 97 million people worldwide who serve >> with the ICRC, the International Federation, and the National >> Societies. And there are about 12,000 total full time staff members." >> >> That is a ratio of about 8,000 volunteers per staff member. >> >> The Wikimedia movement has perhaps 40 staff including the WMF and >> chapters. At the same ratio, that would give us 320,000 volunteers. I >> don't know how many volunteers we have, but I think it is rather more >> than that. > > Depends how you define "volunteers". How many people were eligible to > vote in the last board election? I have no idea the number, but I > guess that's a reasonable definition of "volunteers". Indeed, it is difficult to define fairly. The board election requires you to be an active volunteer that has already contributed significantly - I expect the 97 million figure is broader than that. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
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George Herbert wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Are most Red Cross volunteers directly involved in disaster response? >> I would expect most of them to be doing fundraising, education and >> publicity, and long term projects. >> > > My experience - which may not be typical - is that they have a few > people doing training instruction (first aid / first responder > training, disaster training etc), a lot of people who are actual > disaster responders (with much of the first group, and many more), > and relatively few doing other stuff. > > I don't know what their statistics are, though, so I don't know if my > experience is statistically valid across their volunteer set... > The Red Cross does a lot of things besides disaster response and first aid. I know a lot of people who've volunteered for them, and not a single one has ever gone to a disaster location. My experience might also not be typical, of course, but all the volunteers I know do things like help out with blood drives, collecting blankets for the homeless, organizing and staffing fundraisers, etc. -Mark _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
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On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote:
> 2009/10/8 Anthony <[hidden email]>: >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> 2009/10/8 George Herbert <[hidden email]>: >>>> The WMF is not entirely unique in that regard; many other charities >>>> are largely volunteer (cf Red Cross). >>> >>> According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cross#Activities: >>> >>> "Altogether, there are about 97 million people worldwide who serve >>> with the ICRC, the International Federation, and the National >>> Societies. And there are about 12,000 total full time staff members." >>> >>> That is a ratio of about 8,000 volunteers per staff member. >>> >>> The Wikimedia movement has perhaps 40 staff including the WMF and >>> chapters. At the same ratio, that would give us 320,000 volunteers. I >>> don't know how many volunteers we have, but I think it is rather more >>> than that. >> >> Depends how you define "volunteers". How many people were eligible to >> vote in the last board election? I have no idea the number, but I >> guess that's a reasonable definition of "volunteers". > > Indeed, it is difficult to define fairly. The board election requires > you to be an active volunteer that has already contributed > significantly - I expect the 97 million figure is broader than that. Probably is. But it's probably easier to narrow down that number than it is to expand it. Unless they really are counting every person who ever gave blood. And it's not clear what that number means anyway. Is a high ratio good or bad? It could be either, depending on the circumstances. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
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2009/10/8 Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]>:
> 2009/10/8 George Herbert <[hidden email]>: >> The WMF is not entirely unique in that regard; many other charities >> are largely volunteer (cf Red Cross). > > According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cross#Activities: > > "Altogether, there are about 97 million people worldwide who serve > with the ICRC, the International Federation, and the National > Societies. And there are about 12,000 total full time staff members." > > That is a ratio of about 8,000 volunteers per staff member. I think before we get too tied up in using the Red Cross as an example, we should note that it doesn't have ninety-two million volunteers; it has less than a quarter of that number. Most of them are not volunteers as we would meaningfully use the term, but are instead described variously as "members" or "supporters" - in other words, people who give money. "The Movement currently has some 97 million members and volunteers throughout the world, including some 20 million active volunteers" http://www.ifrc.org/voluntee/index.asp?navid=12 As to the 11,000 staff... well, the American Red Cross alone states that it has "more than half a million volunteers and 35,000 employees". I think we're on a bit of a hiding to nothing trying to make a meaningful comparison here, because we don't know how vaguely meaningful the source figures are, beyond "at least partly wrong". As to your second question, a tenth of that figure - about 30,000 - seems right as a number for "active volunteers"; it's about the order of magnitude of people active enough to vote for the Board, for example. -- - Andrew Gray [hidden email] _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
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2009/10/8 Anthony <[hidden email]>:
> And it's not clear what that number means anyway. Is a high ratio > good or bad? It could be either, depending on the circumstances. Of course. It isn't a useful metric in itself, it's just a factor that you need to account for when interpreting proportions of revenue spent of different areas. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
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And yet, for organizational efficiency, the Red Cross earned three stars
from Charity Navigator, rather than only two. Also, the CEO of Red Cross was compensated with 0.01% of the expenses. I'm not sure of Sue Gardner's total compensation these days, but it was last reported at a half-year rate of $75,000, wasn't it? A similar ratio as the Red Cross would put Wikimedia Foundation expenditures at $1.5 billion per year, based on CEO compensation. Something doesn't compute. The responses thus far trumpet the unusual energy and resources derived from such a disproportionately large volunteer base. I have to agree! Indeed, in 2007, there were about as many volunteers doing just as much work, but the staff was only about one-fourth what it is today. What is substantially different about the Wikimedia Foundation's mission and accomplishments today than were already in place in 2007? My only striking conclusion is how much more money the Foundation is now drawing in on the revenue side, and that the GFDL license was altered and swapped. The encyclopedias seem about the same as they were in 2007, just bigger. Commons is about the same. Wikiquote seems pretty close to the way it was in 2007. Is it possible that what we're witnessing is fairly plainly geometrically-increasing fundraising, which is supporting a geometrically-increasing staff, which then feeds back into the cycle again? Not that there's anything wrong with that! _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
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On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote:
> 2009/10/8 Anthony <[hidden email]>: >> And it's not clear what that number means anyway. Is a high ratio >> good or bad? It could be either, depending on the circumstances. > > Of course. It isn't a useful metric in itself, it's just a factor that > you need to account for when interpreting proportions of revenue spent > of different areas. Why? If donor money is spent on administrative expenditures, but there are lots of volunteers compared to the number of staff, is that supposed to make donors feel better? If there's only one staff person and a million volunteers, does that mean that one staff member can spend 50% of the revenue on administrative expenses? Why do you need to account for the paid staff to volunteer ratio when judging the ratio of administrative to total expenditures? _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
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Gregory Kohs writes:
> > For comparison, witness an organization cited by Charity Navigator as > "similar" to the WMF -- the Reason Foundation -- and see how their Expenses > are a much larger portion of revenue for them, and thus obtain a 3-star > rating: > http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=7481 My long-time friends at the Reason Foundation wish very much that they and their programs could have the same kind of impact in the world that the Wikimedia Foundation and its programs have. Compare, for example, the Alexa rankings of wikipedia.org and reason.com. Full disclosure: I'm a contributing editor to Reason magazine. --Mike _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
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