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יגאל חיטרון-2
Hello, Strainu.
1. Try in place of "all-access" use different platforms. You'll see, as I
expected reading your letter, that the effect you recognized appears in
"mobile-web" mostly.
2. I do not remember the exact date, but a couple of months ago the way for
pageviews counting was changed, using cookies, affecting the mobile web
views. This can be the cause.
Igal (User IKhitron)

On Jul 15, 2017 13:47, "Strainu" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Starting from an unrelated discussion on meta, I noticed a significant
> drop in main page views for several wikis starting from April this
> year. Is there anything we (or Google) did at that time to justify
> this drop?
>
> ro.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=ro.
> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Pagina_principal%C4%83
>
> hu.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=hu.
> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Kezd%C5%91lap
>
> fr.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=fr.
> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal
>
> de.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=de.
> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Wikipedia:Hauptseite
>
> en.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.
> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Main_Page
> (slightly different pattern)
>
> The same cannot be said for other projects, for instance uk.wiki:
> http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=uk.wikipedia.org&platform=all-
> access&agent=user&start=2016-01&end=2017-06&pages=%D0%93%
> D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%
> 80%D1%96%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B0
>
> Thanks,
>    Strainu
>
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2017-07-15 14:34 GMT+03:00 יגאל חיטרון <[hidden email]>:
> Hello, Strainu.
> 1. Try in place of "all-access" use different platforms. You'll see, as I
> expected reading your letter, that the effect you recognized appears in
> "mobile-web" mostly.
> 2. I do not remember the exact date, but a couple of months ago the way for
> pageviews counting was changed, using cookies, affecting the mobile web
> views. This can be the cause.
> Igal (User IKhitron)

Thank you Igal, that must be the reason, I'll look for the change
announcement just to understand what it means exactly.

Strainu

>
> On Jul 15, 2017 13:47, "Strainu" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Starting from an unrelated discussion on meta, I noticed a significant
>> drop in main page views for several wikis starting from April this
>> year. Is there anything we (or Google) did at that time to justify
>> this drop?
>>
>> ro.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=ro.
>> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
>> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Pagina_principal%C4%83
>>
>> hu.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=hu.
>> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
>> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Kezd%C5%91lap
>>
>> fr.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=fr.
>> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
>> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal
>>
>> de.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=de.
>> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
>> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Wikipedia:Hauptseite
>>
>> en.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.
>> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
>> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Main_Page
>> (slightly different pattern)
>>
>> The same cannot be said for other projects, for instance uk.wiki:
>> http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=uk.wikipedia.org&platform=all-
>> access&agent=user&start=2016-01&end=2017-06&pages=%D0%93%
>> D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%
>> 80%D1%96%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B0
>>
>> Thanks,
>>    Strainu
>>
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Re: [Analytics] Drop in mainpage pageviews?

Nuria Ruiz
> do not remember the exact date, but a couple of months ago the way for
> pageviews counting was changed, using cookies, affecting the mobile web
> views. This can be the cause.
> Igal (User IKhitron)

mmmm... not sure what you are referring to, can you be more specific? We
have not changed the way we measure pageviews for 2 years

There are improvements/fixes continously done to the system and those get
documented here:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view#Change_log


FYI, we have opened a ticket for this issue:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T170845

Without looking at it in detail there are many possible causes: removal of
"bad" pageviews (like requests for banners) or drop of traffic due to
having less bots.











On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Strainu <[hidden email]> wrote:

> 2017-07-15 14:34 GMT+03:00 יגאל חיטרון <[hidden email]>:
> > Hello, Strainu.
> > 1. Try in place of "all-access" use different platforms. You'll see, as I
> > expected reading your letter, that the effect you recognized appears in
> > "mobile-web" mostly.
> > 2. I do not remember the exact date, but a couple of months ago the way
> for
> > pageviews counting was changed, using cookies, affecting the mobile web
> > views. This can be the cause.
> > Igal (User IKhitron)
>
> Thank you Igal, that must be the reason, I'll look for the change
> announcement just to understand what it means exactly.
>
> Strainu
>
> >
> > On Jul 15, 2017 13:47, "Strainu" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Starting from an unrelated discussion on meta, I noticed a significant
> >> drop in main page views for several wikis starting from April this
> >> year. Is there anything we (or Google) did at that time to justify
> >> this drop?
> >>
> >> ro.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=ro.
> >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Pagina_principal%C4%83
> >>
> >> hu.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=hu.
> >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Kezd%C5%91lap
> >>
> >> fr.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=fr.
> >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal
> >>
> >> de.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=de.
> >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Wikipedia:Hauptseite
> >>
> >> en.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.
> >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Main_Page
> >> (slightly different pattern)
> >>
> >> The same cannot be said for other projects, for instance uk.wiki:
> >> http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=uk.
> wikipedia.org&platform=all-
> >> access&agent=user&start=2016-01&end=2017-06&pages=%D0%93%
> >> D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%
> >> 80%D1%96%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B0
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>    Strainu
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Wikitech-l mailing list
> >> [hidden email]
> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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יגאל חיטרון
Hi. I do not remember when did this happen - this april or two years ago.
I'm talking about research "Unique devices".
Igal


2017-07-17 19:37 GMT+03:00 Nuria Ruiz <[hidden email]>:

> > do not remember the exact date, but a couple of months ago the way for
> > pageviews counting was changed, using cookies, affecting the mobile web
> > views. This can be the cause.
> > Igal (User IKhitron)
>
> mmmm... not sure what you are referring to, can you be more specific? We
> have not changed the way we measure pageviews for 2 years
>
> There are improvements/fixes continously done to the system and those get
> documented here:
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view#Change_log
>
>
> FYI, we have opened a ticket for this issue:
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T170845
>
> Without looking at it in detail there are many possible causes: removal of
> "bad" pageviews (like requests for banners) or drop of traffic due to
> having less bots.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Strainu <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > 2017-07-15 14:34 GMT+03:00 יגאל חיטרון <[hidden email]>:
> > > Hello, Strainu.
> > > 1. Try in place of "all-access" use different platforms. You'll see,
> as I
> > > expected reading your letter, that the effect you recognized appears in
> > > "mobile-web" mostly.
> > > 2. I do not remember the exact date, but a couple of months ago the way
> > for
> > > pageviews counting was changed, using cookies, affecting the mobile web
> > > views. This can be the cause.
> > > Igal (User IKhitron)
> >
> > Thank you Igal, that must be the reason, I'll look for the change
> > announcement just to understand what it means exactly.
> >
> > Strainu
> >
> > >
> > > On Jul 15, 2017 13:47, "Strainu" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> Starting from an unrelated discussion on meta, I noticed a significant
> > >> drop in main page views for several wikis starting from April this
> > >> year. Is there anything we (or Google) did at that time to justify
> > >> this drop?
> > >>
> > >> ro.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=ro.
> > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Pagina_principal%C4%83
> > >>
> > >> hu.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=hu.
> > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Kezd%C5%91lap
> > >>
> > >> fr.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=fr.
> > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal
> > >>
> > >> de.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=de.
> > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Wikipedia:Hauptseite
> > >>
> > >> en.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.
> > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Main_Page
> > >> (slightly different pattern)
> > >>
> > >> The same cannot be said for other projects, for instance uk.wiki:
> > >> http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=uk.
> > wikipedia.org&platform=all-
> > >> access&agent=user&start=2016-01&end=2017-06&pages=%D0%93%
> > >> D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%
> > >> 80%D1%96%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B0
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>    Strainu
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Wikitech-l mailing list
> > >> [hidden email]
> > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
> >
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> >
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Re: [Analytics] Drop in mainpage pageviews?

Nuria Ruiz
>I'm talking about research "Unique devices".
That had no effect on pageviews. I think you are probably mixing two
different projects.


As I mentioned pageview counting has not changed for more than 2 years.


Thanks,


Nuria

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:43 AM, יגאל חיטרון <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi. I do not remember when did this happen - this april or two years ago.
> I'm talking about research "Unique devices".
> Igal
>
>
> 2017-07-17 19:37 GMT+03:00 Nuria Ruiz <[hidden email]>:
>
> > > do not remember the exact date, but a couple of months ago the way for
> > > pageviews counting was changed, using cookies, affecting the mobile web
> > > views. This can be the cause.
> > > Igal (User IKhitron)
> >
> > mmmm... not sure what you are referring to, can you be more specific? We
> > have not changed the way we measure pageviews for 2 years
> >
> > There are improvements/fixes continously done to the system and those get
> > documented here:
> >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view#Change_log
> >
> >
> > FYI, we have opened a ticket for this issue:
> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T170845
> >
> > Without looking at it in detail there are many possible causes: removal
> of
> > "bad" pageviews (like requests for banners) or drop of traffic due to
> > having less bots.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Strainu <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > 2017-07-15 14:34 GMT+03:00 יגאל חיטרון <[hidden email]>:
> > > > Hello, Strainu.
> > > > 1. Try in place of "all-access" use different platforms. You'll see,
> > as I
> > > > expected reading your letter, that the effect you recognized appears
> in
> > > > "mobile-web" mostly.
> > > > 2. I do not remember the exact date, but a couple of months ago the
> way
> > > for
> > > > pageviews counting was changed, using cookies, affecting the mobile
> web
> > > > views. This can be the cause.
> > > > Igal (User IKhitron)
> > >
> > > Thank you Igal, that must be the reason, I'll look for the change
> > > announcement just to understand what it means exactly.
> > >
> > > Strainu
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 15, 2017 13:47, "Strainu" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >> Starting from an unrelated discussion on meta, I noticed a
> significant
> > > >> drop in main page views for several wikis starting from April this
> > > >> year. Is there anything we (or Google) did at that time to justify
> > > >> this drop?
> > > >>
> > > >> ro.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=ro.
> > > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Pagina_principal%C4%83
> > > >>
> > > >> hu.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=hu.
> > > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Kezd%C5%91lap
> > > >>
> > > >> fr.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=fr.
> > > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal
> > > >>
> > > >> de.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=de.
> > > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Wikipedia:Hauptseite
> > > >>
> > > >> en.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.
> > > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Main_Page
> > > >> (slightly different pattern)
> > > >>
> > > >> The same cannot be said for other projects, for instance uk.wiki:
> > > >> http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=uk.
> > > wikipedia.org&platform=all-
> > > >> access&agent=user&start=2016-01&end=2017-06&pages=%D0%93%
> > > >> D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%
> > > >> 80%D1%96%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B0
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >>    Strainu
> > > >>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> Wikitech-l mailing list
> > > >> [hidden email]
> > > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
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Re: [Analytics] Drop in mainpage pageviews?

יגאל חיטרון
It was explained as one that changes it a lot. Maybe there was a wrong
explanation.
Igal

2017-07-17 20:52 GMT+03:00 Nuria Ruiz <[hidden email]>:

> >I'm talking about research "Unique devices".
> That had no effect on pageviews. I think you are probably mixing two
> different projects.
>
>
> As I mentioned pageview counting has not changed for more than 2 years.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Nuria
>
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:43 AM, יגאל חיטרון <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi. I do not remember when did this happen - this april or two years ago.
> > I'm talking about research "Unique devices".
> > Igal
> >
> >
> > 2017-07-17 19:37 GMT+03:00 Nuria Ruiz <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > > do not remember the exact date, but a couple of months ago the way
> for
> > > > pageviews counting was changed, using cookies, affecting the mobile
> web
> > > > views. This can be the cause.
> > > > Igal (User IKhitron)
> > >
> > > mmmm... not sure what you are referring to, can you be more specific?
> We
> > > have not changed the way we measure pageviews for 2 years
> > >
> > > There are improvements/fixes continously done to the system and those
> get
> > > documented here:
> > >
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view#Change_log
> > >
> > >
> > > FYI, we have opened a ticket for this issue:
> > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T170845
> > >
> > > Without looking at it in detail there are many possible causes: removal
> > of
> > > "bad" pageviews (like requests for banners) or drop of traffic due to
> > > having less bots.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Strainu <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > 2017-07-15 14:34 GMT+03:00 יגאל חיטרון <[hidden email]>:
> > > > > Hello, Strainu.
> > > > > 1. Try in place of "all-access" use different platforms. You'll
> see,
> > > as I
> > > > > expected reading your letter, that the effect you recognized
> appears
> > in
> > > > > "mobile-web" mostly.
> > > > > 2. I do not remember the exact date, but a couple of months ago the
> > way
> > > > for
> > > > > pageviews counting was changed, using cookies, affecting the mobile
> > web
> > > > > views. This can be the cause.
> > > > > Igal (User IKhitron)
> > > >
> > > > Thank you Igal, that must be the reason, I'll look for the change
> > > > announcement just to understand what it means exactly.
> > > >
> > > > Strainu
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jul 15, 2017 13:47, "Strainu" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hi,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Starting from an unrelated discussion on meta, I noticed a
> > significant
> > > > >> drop in main page views for several wikis starting from April this
> > > > >> year. Is there anything we (or Google) did at that time to justify
> > > > >> this drop?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ro.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=ro.
> > > > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > > > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Pagina_principal%C4%83
> > > > >>
> > > > >> hu.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=hu.
> > > > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > > > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Kezd%C5%91lap
> > > > >>
> > > > >> fr.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=fr.
> > > > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > > > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal
> > > > >>
> > > > >> de.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=de.
> > > > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > > > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Wikipedia:Hauptseite
> > > > >>
> > > > >> en.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.
> > > > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > > > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Main_Page
> > > > >> (slightly different pattern)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The same cannot be said for other projects, for instance uk.wiki:
> > > > >> http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=uk.
> > > > wikipedia.org&platform=all-
> > > > >> access&agent=user&start=2016-01&end=2017-06&pages=%D0%93%
> > > > >> D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%
> > > > >> 80%D1%96%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B0
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > >>    Strainu
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Re: [Analytics] Drop in mainpage pageviews?

Nuria Ruiz
>It was explained as one that changes it a lot. Maybe there was a wrong
explanation.

Sorry, not sure what you mean, can you link to any documentation we can
maybe clarify? As the measure two metrics "Unique Devices" and "Pageviews"
is completely different.

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 11:05 AM, יגאל חיטרון <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> It was explained as one that changes it a lot. Maybe there was a wrong
> explanation.
> Igal
>
> 2017-07-17 20:52 GMT+03:00 Nuria Ruiz <[hidden email]>:
>
> > >I'm talking about research "Unique devices".
> > That had no effect on pageviews. I think you are probably mixing two
> > different projects.
> >
> >
> > As I mentioned pageview counting has not changed for more than 2 years.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Nuria
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:43 AM, יגאל חיטרון <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi. I do not remember when did this happen - this april or two years
> ago.
> > > I'm talking about research "Unique devices".
> > > Igal
> > >
> > >
> > > 2017-07-17 19:37 GMT+03:00 Nuria Ruiz <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > > > > do not remember the exact date, but a couple of months ago the way
> > for
> > > > > pageviews counting was changed, using cookies, affecting the mobile
> > web
> > > > > views. This can be the cause.
> > > > > Igal (User IKhitron)
> > > >
> > > > mmmm... not sure what you are referring to, can you be more specific?
> > We
> > > > have not changed the way we measure pageviews for 2 years
> > > >
> > > > There are improvements/fixes continously done to the system and those
> > get
> > > > documented here:
> > > >
> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view#Change_log
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > FYI, we have opened a ticket for this issue:
> > > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T170845
> > > >
> > > > Without looking at it in detail there are many possible causes:
> removal
> > > of
> > > > "bad" pageviews (like requests for banners) or drop of traffic due to
> > > > having less bots.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Strainu <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > 2017-07-15 14:34 GMT+03:00 יגאל חיטרון <[hidden email]>:
> > > > > > Hello, Strainu.
> > > > > > 1. Try in place of "all-access" use different platforms. You'll
> > see,
> > > > as I
> > > > > > expected reading your letter, that the effect you recognized
> > appears
> > > in
> > > > > > "mobile-web" mostly.
> > > > > > 2. I do not remember the exact date, but a couple of months ago
> the
> > > way
> > > > > for
> > > > > > pageviews counting was changed, using cookies, affecting the
> mobile
> > > web
> > > > > > views. This can be the cause.
> > > > > > Igal (User IKhitron)
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you Igal, that must be the reason, I'll look for the change
> > > > > announcement just to understand what it means exactly.
> > > > >
> > > > > Strainu
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Jul 15, 2017 13:47, "Strainu" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Hi,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Starting from an unrelated discussion on meta, I noticed a
> > > significant
> > > > > >> drop in main page views for several wikis starting from April
> this
> > > > > >> year. Is there anything we (or Google) did at that time to
> justify
> > > > > >> this drop?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> ro.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=ro.
> > > > > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > > > > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Pagina_principal%C4%83
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> hu.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=hu.
> > > > > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > > > > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Kezd%C5%91lap
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> fr.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=fr.
> > > > > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > > > > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> de.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=de.
> > > > > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > > > > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Wikipedia:Hauptseite
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> en.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.
> > > > > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > > > > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Main_Page
> > > > > >> (slightly different pattern)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The same cannot be said for other projects, for instance
> uk.wiki:
> > > > > >> http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=uk.
> > > > > wikipedia.org&platform=all-
> > > > > >> access&agent=user&start=2016-01&end=2017-06&pages=%D0%93%
> > > > > >> D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%
> > > > > >> 80%D1%96%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B0
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > > >>    Strainu
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> _______________________________________________
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Re: [Analytics] Drop in mainpage pageviews?

יגאל חיטרון
I really do not remember where did I see this. I you are sure I'm wrong,
then I'm wrong and that's it.
Igal


2017-07-17 21:39 GMT+03:00 Nuria Ruiz <[hidden email]>:

> >It was explained as one that changes it a lot. Maybe there was a wrong
> explanation.
>
> Sorry, not sure what you mean, can you link to any documentation we can
> maybe clarify? As the measure two metrics "Unique Devices" and "Pageviews"
> is completely different.
>
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 11:05 AM, יגאל חיטרון <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > It was explained as one that changes it a lot. Maybe there was a wrong
> > explanation.
> > Igal
> >
> > 2017-07-17 20:52 GMT+03:00 Nuria Ruiz <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > >I'm talking about research "Unique devices".
> > > That had no effect on pageviews. I think you are probably mixing two
> > > different projects.
> > >
> > >
> > > As I mentioned pageview counting has not changed for more than 2 years.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > >
> > > Nuria
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:43 AM, יגאל חיטרון <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi. I do not remember when did this happen - this april or two years
> > ago.
> > > > I'm talking about research "Unique devices".
> > > > Igal
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2017-07-17 19:37 GMT+03:00 Nuria Ruiz <[hidden email]>:
> > > >
> > > > > > do not remember the exact date, but a couple of months ago the
> way
> > > for
> > > > > > pageviews counting was changed, using cookies, affecting the
> mobile
> > > web
> > > > > > views. This can be the cause.
> > > > > > Igal (User IKhitron)
> > > > >
> > > > > mmmm... not sure what you are referring to, can you be more
> specific?
> > > We
> > > > > have not changed the way we measure pageviews for 2 years
> > > > >
> > > > > There are improvements/fixes continously done to the system and
> those
> > > get
> > > > > documented here:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view#Change_log
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > FYI, we have opened a ticket for this issue:
> > > > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T170845
> > > > >
> > > > > Without looking at it in detail there are many possible causes:
> > removal
> > > > of
> > > > > "bad" pageviews (like requests for banners) or drop of traffic due
> to
> > > > > having less bots.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Strainu <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > 2017-07-15 14:34 GMT+03:00 יגאל חיטרון <[hidden email]>:
> > > > > > > Hello, Strainu.
> > > > > > > 1. Try in place of "all-access" use different platforms. You'll
> > > see,
> > > > > as I
> > > > > > > expected reading your letter, that the effect you recognized
> > > appears
> > > > in
> > > > > > > "mobile-web" mostly.
> > > > > > > 2. I do not remember the exact date, but a couple of months ago
> > the
> > > > way
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > pageviews counting was changed, using cookies, affecting the
> > mobile
> > > > web
> > > > > > > views. This can be the cause.
> > > > > > > Igal (User IKhitron)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you Igal, that must be the reason, I'll look for the change
> > > > > > announcement just to understand what it means exactly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Strainu
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Jul 15, 2017 13:47, "Strainu" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Hi,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Starting from an unrelated discussion on meta, I noticed a
> > > > significant
> > > > > > >> drop in main page views for several wikis starting from April
> > this
> > > > > > >> year. Is there anything we (or Google) did at that time to
> > justify
> > > > > > >> this drop?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> ro.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=ro.
> > > > > > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > > > > > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Pagina_principal%C4%83
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> hu.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=hu.
> > > > > > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > > > > > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Kezd%C5%91lap
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> fr.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=fr.
> > > > > > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > > > > > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Wikip%C3%A9dia:Accueil_principal
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> de.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=de.
> > > > > > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > > > > > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Wikipedia:Hauptseite
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> en.wiki: http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=en.
> > > > > > >> wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2016-
> > > > > > >> 01&end=2017-06&pages=Main_Page
> > > > > > >> (slightly different pattern)
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The same cannot be said for other projects, for instance
> > uk.wiki:
> > > > > > >> http://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews/?project=uk.
> > > > > > wikipedia.org&platform=all-
> > > > > > >> access&agent=user&start=2016-01&end=2017-06&pages=%D0%93%
> > > > > > >> D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%
> > > > > > >> 80%D1%96%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B0
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > > > >>    Strainu
> > > > > > >>
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