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Email notification sender

Thomas Dalton
Why do email notifications from Wikipedia have the sender as
"MediaWiki Mail"? Most Wikipedia users probably don't know what
"MediaWiki" is. I suggest it be changed to "Wikipedia" or "Wikipedia
notifications" or something like that.

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Re: Email notification sender

Huib Laurens
That we need to change in Wikimedia. Wikipedia is just a small part of
the projects.


2011/12/31, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]>:

> Why do email notifications from Wikipedia have the sender as
> "MediaWiki Mail"? Most Wikipedia users probably don't know what
> "MediaWiki" is. I suggest it be changed to "Wikipedia" or "Wikipedia
> notifications" or something like that.
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Re: Email notification sender

Thomas Dalton
On 31 December 2011 18:24, Huib Laurens <[hidden email]> wrote:
> That we need to change in Wikimedia. Wikipedia is just a small part of
> the projects.

Notifications from Wikipedia should say Wikipedia, notifications from
Wikinews should say Wikinews, etc..

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Re: Email notification sender

Benjamin Lees
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Does "MediaWiki Mail" even make sense as the default for
$wgPasswordSenderName?  Is there a reason not to have it default to
something with $wgSitename?

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Re: Email notification sender

Mark A. Hershberger
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Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> writes:

> Why do email notifications from Wikipedia have the sender as
> "MediaWiki Mail"? Most Wikipedia users probably don't know what
> "MediaWiki" is. I suggest it be changed to "Wikipedia" or "Wikipedia
> notifications" or something like that.

Please see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32770 where Sam Reed says "If
we decide what we want [$wgPasswordSenderName] to be, we can configure
it."

If you want us to set it, post what you think the "From" addresses
should be to the bug.  Or file a new bug for setting it.

Mark.

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Re: Email notification sender

Brion Vibber
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Mark A. Hershberger <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> writes:
>
> > Why do email notifications from Wikipedia have the sender as
> > "MediaWiki Mail"? Most Wikipedia users probably don't know what
> > "MediaWiki" is. I suggest it be changed to "Wikipedia" or "Wikipedia
> > notifications" or something like that.
>
> Please see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32770 where Sam Reed says "If
> we decide what we want [$wgPasswordSenderName] to be, we can configure
> it."
>
> If you want us to set it, post what you think the "From" addresses
> should be to the bug.  Or file a new bug for setting it.
>

How about just setting it to the sitename? 'Wikipedia', 'Wikinews', etc.
As, uh, suggested already above. :)

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Re: Email notification sender

Mark A. Hershberger
Brion Vibber <[hidden email]> writes:

> How about just setting it to the sitename? 'Wikipedia', 'Wikinews', etc.
> As, uh, suggested already above. :)

Because that is too much thinking while I'm on vacation? ;)

Maarten Dammers, who originally filed the bug, has updated it now with
your suggestion.

Mark.

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Re: Email notification sender

M. Williamson
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Correction: Wikipedia is the largest part of the projects. Why do people
always want to pretend otherwise, or lament that fact?


2011/12/31 Huib Laurens <[hidden email]>

> That we need to change in Wikimedia. Wikipedia is just a small part of
> the projects.
>
>
> 2011/12/31, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]>:
> > Why do email notifications from Wikipedia have the sender as
> > "MediaWiki Mail"? Most Wikipedia users probably don't know what
> > "MediaWiki" is. I suggest it be changed to "Wikipedia" or "Wikipedia
> > notifications" or something like that.
> >
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> Kind regards,
>
> Huib Laurens
> WickedWay.nl
>
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Re: Email notification sender

K. Peachey-2
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 5:13 PM, M. Williamson <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Correction: Wikipedia is the largest part of the projects. Why do people
> always want to pretend otherwise, or lament that fact?
Never said otherwise, Huib just said Wikipedia was one of many
WikiMedia projects.

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Re: Email notification sender

Strainu
2012/1/2 K. Peachey <[hidden email]>:
> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 5:13 PM, M. Williamson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Correction: Wikipedia is the largest part of the projects. Why do people
>> always want to pretend otherwise, or lament that fact?
> Never said otherwise, Huib just said Wikipedia was one of many
> WikiMedia projects.

Now, now, let's not feed the troll, shall we?

On topic:
As such a message is a clear candidate for l10n, I suggested that
MediaWiki should have a string for that, which defaults to
"{{SITENAME}} Mail". What do you guys think?

Strainu

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Re: Email notification sender

Nickanc Wikipedia
I totally agree with Strainu.

2012/1/3 Strainu <[hidden email]>:

> 2012/1/2 K. Peachey <[hidden email]>:
>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 5:13 PM, M. Williamson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Correction: Wikipedia is the largest part of the projects. Why do people
>>> always want to pretend otherwise, or lament that fact?
>> Never said otherwise, Huib just said Wikipedia was one of many
>> WikiMedia projects.
>
> Now, now, let's not feed the troll, shall we?
>
> On topic:
> As such a message is a clear candidate for l10n, I suggested that
> MediaWiki should have a string for that, which defaults to
> "{{SITENAME}} Mail". What do you guys think?
>
> Strainu
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Re: Email notification sender

Erik Moeller-4
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On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Why do email notifications from Wikipedia have the sender as
> "MediaWiki Mail"? Most Wikipedia users probably don't know what
> "MediaWiki" is. I suggest it be changed to "Wikipedia" or "Wikipedia
> notifications" or something like that.

I agree with the {{SITENAME}} suggestion, and would prefer to omit
"Mail". (The fact that it's an email is self-evident.)

See also:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/New_Editor_Engagement/Email_notifications

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Re: Email notification sender

Thomas Gries
Am 03.01.2012 18:40, schrieb Erik Moeller:

> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Why do email notifications from Wikipedia have the sender as
>> "MediaWiki Mail"? Most Wikipedia users probably don't know what
>> "MediaWiki" is. I suggest it be changed to "Wikipedia" or "Wikipedia
>> notifications" or something like that.
> I agree with the {{SITENAME}} suggestion, and would prefer to omit
> "Mail". (The fact that it's an email is self-evident.)
>
> See also:
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/New_Editor_Engagement/Email_notifications
>
See also
http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/UserMailer.php?revision=104208&view=markup
and change line 195 $headers['X-Mailer']='MediaWiki mailer';
to something else


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Re: Email notification sender

Brion Vibber
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Thomas Gries <[hidden email]> wrote:

> See also
>
> http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/UserMailer.php?revision=104208&view=markup
> and change line 195 $headers['X-Mailer']='MediaWiki mailer';
> to something else
>

I don't see any reason to change that; X-Mailer is a low-level header which
says things like "Outlook", and we would expect it to say the low-level
software used if it's there at all. Users will never see it unless they go
picking at the raw headers of the mail.

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Re: Email notification sender

Brandon Harris-4

        Agree++; X-Mailer is not intended to be user-visible.  It is most often
used for readers to adjust for display quirks these days, but also to
inform MTAs of behavior quirks.

        This should be the same across all instances.  In fact, it probably
shouldn't be user-configurable.


On 1/3/12 10:56 AM, Brion Vibber wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Thomas Gries<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>
>> See also
>>
>> http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/UserMailer.php?revision=104208&view=markup
>> and change line 195 $headers['X-Mailer']='MediaWiki mailer';
>> to something else
>>
>
> I don't see any reason to change that; X-Mailer is a low-level header which
> says things like "Outlook", and we would expect it to say the low-level
> software used if it's there at all. Users will never see it unless they go
> picking at the raw headers of the mail.
>
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Re: Email notification sender

Strainu
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2012/1/3 Erik Moeller <[hidden email]>:
> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Why do email notifications from Wikipedia have the sender as
>> "MediaWiki Mail"? Most Wikipedia users probably don't know what
>> "MediaWiki" is. I suggest it be changed to "Wikipedia" or "Wikipedia
>> notifications" or something like that.
>
> I agree with the {{SITENAME}} suggestion, and would prefer to omit
> "Mail". (The fact that it's an email is self-evident.)

I wouldn't be so fast in leaving only the sitename as sender name - a
mail from "Wikipedia" would raise my (manual) spam alarms, just like
emails from the "Federal Bureau of Investigations" or from "[X] Bank".

Strainu

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Re: Email notification sender

Thomas Dalton
On 3 January 2012 20:32, Strainu <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I wouldn't be so fast in leaving only the sitename as sender name - a
> mail from "Wikipedia" would raise my (manual) spam alarms, just like
> emails from the "Federal Bureau of Investigations" or from "[X] Bank".

Why is "Wikipedia" more suspicious than "Wikipedia mail"?

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Strainu
2012/1/3 Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]>:
> Why is "Wikipedia" more suspicious than "Wikipedia mail"?

I really don't know, it's just how some people that I know (including
myself) react. For instance, I recently fell for a spam email
disguised as a Linkedin message. The sender was "John Doe via
linkedin.com" - if it had been "Linkedin.com" I doubt I would have
opened it.

Perhaps "Wikipedia user mail" or "Wikipedia email system" would be
even more descriptive without being too long?

Strainu

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Re: Email notification sender

Thomas Gries
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Am 03.01.2012 19:56, schrieb Brion Vibber:
> http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/UserMailer.php?revision=104208&view=markup
> line 195 $headers['X-Mailer']='MediaWiki mailer';
>
> I don't see any reason to change that; X-Mailer is a low-level header which
> says things like "Outlook", and we would expect it to say the low-level
> software used if it's there at all. Users will never see it unless they go
> picking at the raw headers of the mail.
>
>
Yes, I am also not in favour of changing anything with the low-level header.

Perhaps the original requester wanted a change of the sender addresses
in LocalSettings.php:

$wgEmergencyContact = "sender <e-mail>";
$wgPasswordSender   = "sender <e-mail>";

Email notifications are sent with the $wgPasswordSender address an name
(see line 622
in
http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/includes/UserMailer.php?revision=104208&view=markup

$adminAddress=newMailAddress($wgPasswordSender,$wgPasswordSenderName);



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Brion Vibber
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Thomas Gries <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Perhaps the original requester wanted a change of the sender addresses
> in LocalSettings.php:
>
> $wgEmergencyContact = "sender <e-mail>";
> $wgPasswordSender   = "sender <e-mail>";
>

Yes we've already established this; that's the only thing under discussion
here.

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