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English Wikipedia Homepage Framework

Derric Atzrott
Hello,

I just wanted to make everyone aware of a discussion going on at the English
Wikipedia.  They are discussing changing the Main Page, not visibly, but just
changing the page from a table based layout to one that is a little bit more
modern.  The discussion can be found here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Proposal_to_implement_new_framework
_for_main_page

One of the things that came up during the discussion was testing the framework
with a wide variety of browsers.  A lot of the opposition to it that I could see
came from the lack of testing.  I feel like I remember us discussing here
previously a framework for testing stuff across many browsers.  If we have
something of the like here, I think that it could be well deployed to help them
out.  No reason for them to re-invent the wheel or do all of the testing
manually.

Thank you,
Derric Atzrott
Computer Specialist
Alizee Pathology



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Re: English Wikipedia Homepage Framework

Jon Robson
PLEEEEEASSEEEEE! :D
This would help the mobile version a lot.

On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Derric Atzrott
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I just wanted to make everyone aware of a discussion going on at the English
> Wikipedia.  They are discussing changing the Main Page, not visibly, but just
> changing the page from a table based layout to one that is a little bit more
> modern.  The discussion can be found here:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Proposal_to_implement_new_framework
> _for_main_page
>
> One of the things that came up during the discussion was testing the framework
> with a wide variety of browsers.  A lot of the opposition to it that I could see
> came from the lack of testing.  I feel like I remember us discussing here
> previously a framework for testing stuff across many browsers.  If we have
> something of the like here, I think that it could be well deployed to help them
> out.  No reason for them to re-invent the wheel or do all of the testing
> manually.
>
> Thank you,
> Derric Atzrott
> Computer Specialist
> Alizee Pathology
>
>
>
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Re: English Wikipedia Homepage Framework

liangent
zhwiki main page is already div-based :)
On Apr 16, 2014 4:34 AM, "Jon Robson" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> PLEEEEEASSEEEEE! :D
> This would help the mobile version a lot.
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Derric Atzrott
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I just wanted to make everyone aware of a discussion going on at the
> English
> > Wikipedia.  They are discussing changing the Main Page, not visibly, but
> just
> > changing the page from a table based layout to one that is a little bit
> more
> > modern.  The discussion can be found here:
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Proposal_to_implement_new_framework
> > _for_main_page
> >
> > One of the things that came up during the discussion was testing the
> framework
> > with a wide variety of browsers.  A lot of the opposition to it that I
> could see
> > came from the lack of testing.  I feel like I remember us discussing here
> > previously a framework for testing stuff across many browsers.  If we
> have
> > something of the like here, I think that it could be well deployed to
> help them
> > out.  No reason for them to re-invent the wheel or do all of the testing
> > manually.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Derric Atzrott
> > Computer Specialist
> > Alizee Pathology
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikitech-l mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
>
>
>
> --
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> * http://jonrobson.me.uk
> * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson
> * @rakugojon
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Re: English Wikipedia Homepage Framework

Steven Walling
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Liangent <[hidden email]> wrote:

> zhwiki main page is already div-based :)


Not surprising. zhwiki has one of the best-looking Main Pages around. :)
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Re: English Wikipedia Homepage Framework

Martijn Hoekstra
On Apr 15, 2014 11:30 PM, "Steven Walling" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Liangent <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > zhwiki main page is already div-based :)
>
>
> Not surprising. zhwiki has one of the best-looking Main Pages around. :)

It would be great if it were possible if some wmf effort could go in to
this. Going in there and asking where we could use help would be a nice
step in the perceived situation where the wmf forces things on the
projects. Offering help with browser testing as well as offering tips on
the design (but not pushing them) could win many friends.

Obviously, everybody will hate any and all change,  but that's a different
issue.
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Re: English Wikipedia Homepage Framework

Erwin Dokter
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On 15-04-2014 23:29, Steven Walling wrote:
>
>> zhwiki main page is already div-based :)
>
> Not surprising. zhwiki has one of the best-looking Main Pages around. :)

Hmm...

They copied Pretzel's 2013 MP proposal and removed all the fluff. It's
basically two floating column divs. My design uses flex boxes... now
_that's_ sexy!

But yes, being able to test in all browsers would be awesome.
Browsershots isn't much help anymore.

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Re: English Wikipedia Homepage Framework

Brian Cox
I wonder if there would be demand for a modernized equivalent of
browsershots.

And yes it would be exceedingly useful.
On Apr 15, 2014 2:54 PM, "Erwin Dokter" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 15-04-2014 23:29, Steven Walling wrote:
>
>>
>>  zhwiki main page is already div-based :)
>>>
>>
>> Not surprising. zhwiki has one of the best-looking Main Pages around. :)
>>
>
> Hmm...
>
> They copied Pretzel's 2013 MP proposal and removed all the fluff. It's
> basically two floating column divs. My design uses flex boxes... now
> _that's_ sexy!
>
> But yes, being able to test in all browsers would be awesome. Browsershots
> isn't much help anymore.
>
> Regards,
> --
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>
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Re: English Wikipedia Homepage Framework

Željko Filipin
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On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:54 PM, Erwin Dokter <[hidden email]> wrote:

> But yes, being able to test in all browsers would be awesome. Browsershots
> isn't much help anymore.
>

WMF QA team could build something like that with relatively little effort,
but as far as I know, there are a lot of services like that already
available. What is the problem with browsershots.org and similar services,
like browserstack.com?

This is an example for English Wikipedia Homepage:

http://www.browserstack.com/screenshots/a1c519ff2e48de558f4d44922c04a846acac3bf5

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Re: English Wikipedia Homepage Framework

Erwin Dokter
On 16-04-2014 12:14, Željko Filipin wrote:
>
> What is the problem with browsershots.org and similar services,
> like browserstack.com?

Browsershots is terribly slow and always report "too many requests for
this domain", and Borwserstack is a paid service (they basically all
are); I'm not shilling out 30 bucks a months for the occasional testing.

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Re: English Wikipedia Homepage Framework

Antoine Musso-3
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Le 16/04/2014 12:14, Željko Filipin a écrit :
>
> This is an example for English Wikipedia Homepage:
>
> http://www.browserstack.com/screenshots/a1c519ff2e48de558f4d44922c04a846acac3bf5

And another run using the proposed layout at

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Edokter/Main_Page2?withCSS=MediaWiki:User:Edokter/Main_Page2.css

Results:

 http://www.browserstack.com/screenshots/a3b729126aa6bb14bc0f1e1c44d62879ba0ba760


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Re: English Wikipedia Homepage Framework

Daniel Friesen-2
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On 2014-04-16, 4:48 AM, Erwin Dokter wrote:
> Borwserstack is a paid service (they basically all are); I'm not
> shilling out 30 bucks a months for the occasional testing.
>
> Regards,
Same here, they really should consider introducing some sort of
pay-per-use minutes.

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Re: English Wikipedia Homepage Framework

liangent
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On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:34 AM, Jon Robson <[hidden email]> wrote:

> PLEEEEEASSEEEEE! :D
> This would help the mobile version a lot.
>

For mobile version: I created [[zh:User:Liangent/首页]] with wikitext {{
:{{MediaWiki:MainPage}} }} (comparison: [[en:User:Liangent/Main Page]]) and
found https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Liangent/%E9%A6%96%E9%A1%B5quite
mobile usable. I feel it's even possible to disable any special
handling of main page contents on zhwiki (which caused
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63963 btw).


>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Derric Atzrott
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I just wanted to make everyone aware of a discussion going on at the
> English
> > Wikipedia.  They are discussing changing the Main Page, not visibly, but
> just
> > changing the page from a table based layout to one that is a little bit
> more
> > modern.  The discussion can be found here:
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Proposal_to_implement_new_framework
> > _for_main_page
> >
> > One of the things that came up during the discussion was testing the
> framework
> > with a wide variety of browsers.  A lot of the opposition to it that I
> could see
> > came from the lack of testing.  I feel like I remember us discussing here
> > previously a framework for testing stuff across many browsers.  If we
> have
> > something of the like here, I think that it could be well deployed to
> help them
> > out.  No reason for them to re-invent the wheel or do all of the testing
> > manually.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Derric Atzrott
> > Computer Specialist
> > Alizee Pathology
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikitech-l mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
>
>
>
> --
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> * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson
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Re: English Wikipedia Homepage Framework

Bartosz Dziewoński
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Polish Wikipedia's (plwiki) main page is also all div-based :)

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Re: English Wikipedia Homepage Framework

Jon Robson
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looks the case to me liagent! you should get rid if the special casing! :)

Would be great if the images could be centred on mobile...
On 17 Apr 2014 07:08, "Liangent" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:34 AM, Jon Robson <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > PLEEEEEASSEEEEE! :D
> > This would help the mobile version a lot.
> >
>
> For mobile version: I created [[zh:User:Liangent/首页]] with wikitext {{
> :{{MediaWiki:MainPage}} }} (comparison: [[en:User:Liangent/Main Page]]) and
> found
> https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Liangent/%E9%A6%96%E9%A1%B5quite
> mobile usable. I feel it's even possible to disable any special
> handling of main page contents on zhwiki (which caused
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63963 btw).
>
>
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Derric Atzrott
> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I just wanted to make everyone aware of a discussion going on at the
> > English
> > > Wikipedia.  They are discussing changing the Main Page, not visibly,
> but
> > just
> > > changing the page from a table based layout to one that is a little bit
> > more
> > > modern.  The discussion can be found here:
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Proposal_to_implement_new_framework
> > > _for_main_page
> > >
> > > One of the things that came up during the discussion was testing the
> > framework
> > > with a wide variety of browsers.  A lot of the opposition to it that I
> > could see
> > > came from the lack of testing.  I feel like I remember us discussing
> here
> > > previously a framework for testing stuff across many browsers.  If we
> > have
> > > something of the like here, I think that it could be well deployed to
> > help them
> > > out.  No reason for them to re-invent the wheel or do all of the
> testing
> > > manually.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Derric Atzrott
> > > Computer Specialist
> > > Alizee Pathology
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Wikitech-l mailing list
> > > [hidden email]
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jon Robson
> > * http://jonrobson.me.uk
> > * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson
> > * @rakugojon
> >
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Re: English Wikipedia Homepage Framework

Brian Cox
I quite like it as well. That should be simple enough to do...

Brian/NF


On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Jon Robson <[hidden email]> wrote:

> looks the case to me liagent! you should get rid if the special casing! :)
>
> Would be great if the images could be centred on mobile...
> On 17 Apr 2014 07:08, "Liangent" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:34 AM, Jon Robson <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > PLEEEEEASSEEEEE! :D
> > > This would help the mobile version a lot.
> > >
> >
> > For mobile version: I created [[zh:User:Liangent/首页]] with wikitext {{
> > :{{MediaWiki:MainPage}} }} (comparison: [[en:User:Liangent/Main Page]])
> and
> > found
> > https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Liangent/%E9%A6%96%E9%A1%B5quite
> > mobile usable. I feel it's even possible to disable any special
> > handling of main page contents on zhwiki (which caused
> > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63963 btw).
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Derric Atzrott
> > > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I just wanted to make everyone aware of a discussion going on at the
> > > English
> > > > Wikipedia.  They are discussing changing the Main Page, not visibly,
> > but
> > > just
> > > > changing the page from a table based layout to one that is a little
> bit
> > > more
> > > > modern.  The discussion can be found here:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#Proposal_to_implement_new_framework
> > > > _for_main_page
> > > >
> > > > One of the things that came up during the discussion was testing the
> > > framework
> > > > with a wide variety of browsers.  A lot of the opposition to it that
> I
> > > could see
> > > > came from the lack of testing.  I feel like I remember us discussing
> > here
> > > > previously a framework for testing stuff across many browsers.  If we
> > > have
> > > > something of the like here, I think that it could be well deployed to
> > > help them
> > > > out.  No reason for them to re-invent the wheel or do all of the
> > testing
> > > > manually.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > Derric Atzrott
> > > > Computer Specialist
> > > > Alizee Pathology
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Wikitech-l mailing list
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > > * http://jonrobson.me.uk
> > > * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson
> > > * @rakugojon
> > >
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