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Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

Steve Summit
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/09/10/wikipedia-slow-to-filter-graphic-imagery-from-site/

"Wikipedia has turned down a more or less free offer for software
that would keep minors and unsuspecting web surfers from
stumbling upon graphic images of sex organs, acts and emissions,
FoxNews.com has learned -- sexually explicit images that remain
far and away the most popular items on the company's servers."

Funny, I didn't realize we (or commons, which is what they're
really talking about) were a porn site, but I guess they wouldn't
print it if it wasn't true...

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Re: Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

Bob the Wikipedian
I can't imagine a site more accessible and better organized than
Wikipedia for someone seeking porn. They're quite correct.

Bob

On 9/10/2012 1:51 PM, Steve Summit wrote:

> http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/09/10/wikipedia-slow-to-filter-graphic-imagery-from-site/
>
> "Wikipedia has turned down a more or less free offer for software
> that would keep minors and unsuspecting web surfers from
> stumbling upon graphic images of sex organs, acts and emissions,
> FoxNews.com has learned -- sexually explicit images that remain
> far and away the most popular items on the company's servers."
>
> Funny, I didn't realize we (or commons, which is what they're
> really talking about) were a porn site, but I guess they wouldn't
> print it if it wasn't true...
>
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Re: Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

Nathan Awrich
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Bob the Wikipedian
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> I can't imagine a site more accessible and better organized than Wikipedia
> for someone seeking porn. They're quite correct.
>
> Bob
>
>

Really? Wikipedia is the best porn site you can imagine? Welcome to
the Internets, Bob, take a look around.

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Re: Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

Bob the Wikipedian
Re-read what I wrote. I didn't say "best". Having never browsed around
specifically for porn, and Wikipedia having been the only site that's
put porn in my face without my asking for it, on top of the fact
Wikipedia has an excellent categorization system and is allowed even in
the workplace and schools, and is a globally-famous site, this qualifies
my statement.

On 9/10/2012 2:19 PM, Nathan wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Bob the Wikipedian
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I can't imagine a site more accessible and better organized than Wikipedia
>> for someone seeking porn. They're quite correct.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
> Really? Wikipedia is the best porn site you can imagine? Welcome to
> the Internets, Bob, take a look around.
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Re: Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

Risker
In reality, many businesses and individuals have filtering in place to
prevent access to pages that include certain keywords.  I've sometimes been
stymied when following a legitimate link when I'm on a computer that has
some form of net nanny software.

As it turns out, it seems that software isn't all that great and can
significantly affect performance. And certainly we don't know much about
what expectations they had if WMF projects accepted the "free" offer.

Risker

On 10 September 2012 16:08, Bob the Wikipedian
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> Re-read what I wrote. I didn't say "best". Having never browsed around
> specifically for porn, and Wikipedia having been the only site that's put
> porn in my face without my asking for it, on top of the fact Wikipedia has
> an excellent categorization system and is allowed even in the workplace and
> schools, and is a globally-famous site, this qualifies my statement.
>
>
> On 9/10/2012 2:19 PM, Nathan wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Bob the Wikipedian
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> I can't imagine a site more accessible and better organized than
>>> Wikipedia
>>> for someone seeking porn. They're quite correct.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>  Really? Wikipedia is the best porn site you can imagine? Welcome to
>> the Internets, Bob, take a look around.
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Re: Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

Nathan Awrich
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On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Bob the Wikipedian
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> Re-read what I wrote. I didn't say "best". Having never browsed around
> specifically for porn, and Wikipedia having been the only site that's put
> porn in my face without my asking for it, on top of the fact Wikipedia has
> an excellent categorization system and is allowed even in the workplace and
> schools, and is a globally-famous site, this qualifies my statement.
>

I've re-read both your posts. In the second, quoted above, it sounds
like you are saying that for someone who isn't looking for porn,
Wikipedia is an easy place to find it. But in your original message,
you said Wikipedia was ideal "...for someone seeking porn." But of
course that isn't true. People who are seeking porn will, in all
likelihood, find actual porn. Wikipedia, contra your assertion, is
certainly not the easiest place to find it.

"Blocked sites" are hardly an impediment - Google Image search isn't
blocked anywhere Google itself is accessible, and any sexual search
term will return a thousand thousand images with nothing for a
filtering program to block. By the same token, the fame (or lack) of a
particular site is irrelevant.

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Re: Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

Peter Coombe
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It's telling that Fox News are using the Simple English Wikipedia.
Also someone should let them know you only need to type in one of the
search boxes to do a search, not both.

> NetSpark's technology was used in 2010 with Israeli technology company Cellcom to filter the mobile web, creating a "Kosher Internet" for Jewish users.

<sarcasm>These sound like exactly the people we need to be working
with.</sarcasm>

Pete / the wub


On 10 September 2012 19:51, Steve Summit <[hidden email]> wrote:

> http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/09/10/wikipedia-slow-to-filter-graphic-imagery-from-site/
>
> "Wikipedia has turned down a more or less free offer for software
> that would keep minors and unsuspecting web surfers from
> stumbling upon graphic images of sex organs, acts and emissions,
> FoxNews.com has learned -- sexually explicit images that remain
> far and away the most popular items on the company's servers."
>
> Funny, I didn't realize we (or commons, which is what they're
> really talking about) were a porn site, but I guess they wouldn't
> print it if it wasn't true...
>
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Re: Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

Thomas Dalton
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On Sep 10, 2012 9:20 PM, "Risker" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> In reality, many businesses and individuals have filtering in place to
> prevent access to pages that include certain keywords.  I've sometimes
been
> stymied when following a legitimate link when I'm on a computer that has
> some form of net nanny software.

Funny you should say that, I wasn't able to access Wiktionary at work today
because it was "suspicious". No idea what that was about...
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Re: Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

Fred Bauder-2
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"Wikipedia Co-Founder Larry Sanger has launched a campaign against the
online encyclopedia for content filters to be put in place."

Part of being a reference work. There are aspects of reality that are
offensive or disturbing. I think we've made considerable progress on this
matter in terms of removing or offering tools to prevent surprising
people with gratuitous salacious material, but a refractory remnant of
simple fact will always remain a part of Wikipedia. Some of it very
important information even for children.

Fred

> On 10 September 2012 19:51, Steve Summit <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/09/10/wikipedia-slow-to-filter-graphic-imagery-from-site/
>>
>> "Wikipedia has turned down a more or less free offer for software
>> that would keep minors and unsuspecting web surfers from
>> stumbling upon graphic images of sex organs, acts and emissions,
>> FoxNews.com has learned -- sexually explicit images that remain
>> far and away the most popular items on the company's servers."
>>
>> Funny, I didn't realize we (or commons, which is what they're
>> really talking about) were a porn site, but I guess they wouldn't
>> print it if it wasn't true...



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Re: Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

Fred Bauder-2
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> On Sep 10, 2012 9:20 PM, "Risker" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> In reality, many businesses and individuals have filtering in place to
>> prevent access to pages that include certain keywords.  I've sometimes
> been
>> stymied when following a legitimate link when I'm on a computer that
>> has
>> some form of net nanny software.
>
> Funny you should say that, I wasn't able to access Wiktionary at work
> today
> because it was "suspicious". No idea what that was about...

When I first set up Wikinfo on ibiblio at the University of North
Carolina the page "socialism" would not load because they had a net
filter in place which blocked that word.

Fred



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Re: Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

WereSpielChequers-2
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There are several issues here. One is that we are an open source site, “The
idea we discussed was that NetSpark would either donate or heavily discount
the cost of the filter for Wikipedia." Surely Sanger knows us well enough
to know not to suggest that we ditch open source and work with a software
supplier who boasts of "proprietary algorithms" on their website?

Secondly "The company says its technology is a “learning engine” that can
analyze the components of an image precisely enough to determine the
difference between a pornographic image and an advertorial image that has
models wearing swimwear or lingerie." Which might be OK if we were a
monocultural site that deemed topless women not OK and bikini clad women
OK. But we are aiming for a global audience with a series of products that
include an encyclopaedia in some of whose pages it is entirely appropriate
to show images of women wearing less than a bikini.

Thirdly if we do introduce a filter it needs to work across multiple
cultures - including for people who don't want to see models wearing
swimwear or lingerie.

Also isn't it a bit rich for Fox News to be talking about porn? Afterall as
a Murdoch company they are in the same corporate stable as page3.com.

I'm sufficiently sold on the idea of an image filter to have drafted one of
the options myself, but it really doesn't help the case to have people
suggesting systems that are so incompatible with our values. If Sanger
really wanted us to introduce an image filter he'd be far more effective if
he lobbied for solutions that are compatible with our ethos and values.

Regards

WSC


On 10 September 2012 19:51, Steve Summit <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/09/10/wikipedia-slow-to-filter-graphic-imagery-from-site/
>
> "Wikipedia has turned down a more or less free offer for software
> that would keep minors and unsuspecting web surfers from
> stumbling upon graphic images of sex organs, acts and emissions,
> FoxNews.com has learned -- sexually explicit images that remain
> far and away the most popular items on the company's servers."
>
> Funny, I didn't realize we (or commons, which is what they're
> really talking about) were a porn site, but I guess they wouldn't
> print it if it wasn't true...
>
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Re: Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

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On Monday, 10 September 2012 at 19:51, Steve Summit wrote:
> "Wikipedia has turned down a more or less free offer for software
> that would keep minors and unsuspecting web surfers from
> stumbling upon graphic images of sex organs, acts and emissions,
> FoxNews.com (http://FoxNews.com) has learned -- sexually explicit images that remain
> far and away the most popular items on the company's servers."


This morning, I turned down an offer for some viagra that was emailed to me.

In fact, I was offered the chance to help secure some money in Nigeria and transfer it to the United States to help a member of the Nigerian Royal Family. And I was offered access to some horny chicks that live near me, apparently.

I await the Fox News story about how I failed to take up any of these offers.

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Re: Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

George William Herbert
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On Sep 10, 2012, at 3:35 PM, WereSpielChequers <[hidden email]> wrote:

> If Sanger
> really wanted us to introduce an image filter he'd be far more effective if
> he lobbied for solutions that are compatible with our ethos and values.


Could we get an official statement to the effect that third-party censorship controls such as this are contrary to the clear and explicit wishes of the Wikipedia communities and Foundation that content decisions be an internal and openly decided matter?

It is no more appropriate for Wikipedia to be so filtered by those guys than Fox News.



George William Herbert
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Re: Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

David Gerard-2
On 11 September 2012 09:13, George Herbert <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Could we get an official statement to the effect that third-party censorship controls such as this are contrary to the clear and explicit wishes of the Wikipedia communities and Foundation that content decisions be an internal and openly decided matter?
> It is no more appropriate for Wikipedia to be so filtered by those guys than Fox News.


I think paying any attention to Sanger or Fox News would constitute
feeding the troll.


- d.

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Re: Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

Wyatt Lucas
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Wow, that's definitely not biased at all. /s

I guess this is to be expected of Fox News.

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On Sep 10, 2012, at 2:51 PM, [hidden email] (Steve Summit) wrote:

> http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/09/10/wikipedia-slow-to-filter-graphic-imagery-from-site/
>
> "Wikipedia has turned down a more or less free offer for software
> that would keep minors and unsuspecting web surfers from
> stumbling upon graphic images of sex organs, acts and emissions,
> FoxNews.com has learned -- sexually explicit images that remain
> far and away the most popular items on the company's servers."
>
> Funny, I didn't realize we (or commons, which is what they're
> really talking about) were a porn site, but I guess they wouldn't
> print it if it wasn't true...
>
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Re: Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

Wyatt Lucas
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Honestly, there really isn't a whole lot of pornographic images. Most of the alleged "pornographic images" are really just bland images of genitalia. I think people are better off going to 4chan for their fix.

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On Sep 10, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Bob the Wikipedian <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I can't imagine a site more accessible and better organized than Wikipedia for someone seeking porn. They're quite correct.
>
> Bob
>
> On 9/10/2012 1:51 PM, Steve Summit wrote:
>> http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/09/10/wikipedia-slow-to-filter-graphic-imagery-from-site/
>>
>> "Wikipedia has turned down a more or less free offer for software
>> that would keep minors and unsuspecting web surfers from
>> stumbling upon graphic images of sex organs, acts and emissions,
>> FoxNews.com has learned -- sexually explicit images that remain
>> far and away the most popular items on the company's servers."
>>
>> Funny, I didn't realize we (or commons, which is what they're
>> really talking about) were a porn site, but I guess they wouldn't
>> print it if it wasn't true...
>>
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