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Fundraising is for men

Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada
Dear all;

We have heard many times that most Wikipedians are male, but have you heard about gender and fundraising? Some data from a 2010 study[1] and a 2011 German study[2] (question 20th of 22). People have said that Wikipedia is a sexist place which excludes women to edit. Looks like women neither are interested on editing nor funding free knowledge.

Is WMF working to increase female donors just like female editors?

Regards,
emijrp

[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2010FR_Donor_survey_report.pdf
[2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Detailed_results.pdf

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Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraising is for men

Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada
2011/11/29 Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]>
On 29 November 2011 21:51, emijrp <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Dear all;
>
> We have heard many times that most Wikipedians are male, but have you heard
> about gender and fundraising? Some data from a 2010 study[1] and a 2011
> German study[2] (question 20th of 22). People have said that Wikipedia is a
> sexist place which excludes women to edit. Looks like women neither are
> interested on editing nor funding free knowledge.
>
> Is WMF working to increase female donors just like female editors?

I think the first step would be to try and figure out if women are
visiting the site and not donating or just not visiting at all.


So, the first step would be to try and figure out if women are visiting the site and not editing or just not visiting at all, before saying nonsense about sexism and Wikipedia community.
 
You would also want to make sure there really is a significant
imbalance and that it's not just that men are more likely to fill out
the survey form.


That affects to all surveys, again.

Looks like people only care about surveys which say what they want to read.
 
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Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraising is for men

Sam Katz
I have a significant problem with making assumptions before you start your research. Control for confirmation bias. Be careful. Also, keep in mind that some wikipedia articles may appeal more to a specific demographic than others. Also, editing wikipedia is still highly technical due to formatting, though has gotten a lot better.

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On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:19 PM, emijrp <[hidden email]> wrote:
2011/11/29 Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]>
On 29 November 2011 21:51, emijrp <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Dear all;
>
> We have heard many times that most Wikipedians are male, but have you heard
> about gender and fundraising? Some data from a 2010 study[1] and a 2011
> German study[2] (question 20th of 22). People have said that Wikipedia is a
> sexist place which excludes women to edit. Looks like women neither are
> interested on editing nor funding free knowledge.
>
> Is WMF working to increase female donors just like female editors?

I think the first step would be to try and figure out if women are
visiting the site and not donating or just not visiting at all.


So, the first step would be to try and figure out if women are visiting the site and not editing or just not visiting at all, before saying nonsense about sexism and Wikipedia community.
 
You would also want to make sure there really is a significant
imbalance and that it's not just that men are more likely to fill out
the survey form.


That affects to all surveys, again.

Looks like people only care about surveys which say what they want to read.
 
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Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraising is for men

Ziko van Dijk
Hello,
Indeed I think that most people don't know much about the world behind
Wikipedia, and only few have a distinct opinion about "sexism and
Wikipedia".
Kind regards
Ziko


2011/11/30 Sam Katz <[hidden email]>:

> I have a significant problem with making assumptions before you start your
> research. Control for confirmation bias. Be careful. Also, keep in mind that
> some wikipedia articles may appeal more to a specific demographic than
> others. Also, editing wikipedia is still highly technical due to formatting,
> though has gotten a lot better.
>
> --Sam
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:19 PM, emijrp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> 2011/11/29 Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]>
>>>
>>> On 29 November 2011 21:51, emijrp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> > Dear all;
>>> >
>>> > We have heard many times that most Wikipedians are male, but have you
>>> > heard
>>> > about gender and fundraising? Some data from a 2010 study[1] and a 2011
>>> > German study[2] (question 20th of 22). People have said that Wikipedia
>>> > is a
>>> > sexist place which excludes women to edit. Looks like women neither are
>>> > interested on editing nor funding free knowledge.
>>> >
>>> > Is WMF working to increase female donors just like female editors?
>>>
>>> I think the first step would be to try and figure out if women are
>>> visiting the site and not donating or just not visiting at all.
>>>
>>
>> So, the first step would be to try and figure out if women are visiting
>> the site and not editing or just not visiting at all, before saying nonsense
>> about sexism and Wikipedia community.
>>
>>>
>>> You would also want to make sure there really is a significant
>>> imbalance and that it's not just that men are more likely to fill out
>>> the survey form.
>>>
>>
>> That affects to all surveys, again.
>>
>> Looks like people only care about surveys which say what they want to
>> read.
>>
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Re: [Gendergap] [Foundation-l] Fundraising is for men

Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada
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2011/12/1 Carol Moore <[hidden email]>
On 11/29/2011 5:19 PM, emijrp wrote:
>
>
> So, the first step would be to try and figure out if women are
> visiting the site and not editing or just not visiting at all, before
> saying nonsense about sexism and Wikipedia community.

Fundraising from women is an interesting topic. You may think comments
about sexism and the Wikipedia community are nonsense, but guess what.
Women who take a lot of sexist nonsense AT wikipedia sure aren't going
to donate TO wikipedia, are they?

Also, since women in general are busier with work AND family
responsibilities, so often the women who have the most time to edit are
unemployed, disabled, retired or otherwise on limited incomes.

[citation needed]

Furthermore, editing Wikipedia only requires 30 minutes a day/week. I'm sure all women waste more time watching TV. But watching TV is funnier for most the people.

In the other hand, looks like women in all ages have time to waste in Facebook http://www.kenburbary.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Image1_thumb3.png And gender balance is fifty-fifty.

Finally, if the reason for the low female editors proportion is time, how can Wikipedia solve that? Are we going to pay to female editors for their time?


I can
think of a few.  Besides a ten spot here and a ten spot there, we can't
give large amounts of money.
But there are women with big bucks out
there giving lots to women-friendly organizations left and right. We
must make Wikipedia women friendly to get their money.

You are wrong. To see donation banners and to donate only reading is required, not editing. Are you going to say that only poor women read Wikipedia?

By they way, making Wikipedia women friendly? What does that mean? Is that a new politically correct science?

Better, make Wikipedia friendly to disabled people, the great forgotten excluded people group. For example, blind people can't sign up because of Wikipedia captcha (there is no sound captcha https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4845). That is a real barrier which Wikimedia Foundation have to solve putting resources.
 
Where is the accessibility mailing list? Accessibility is a recommendation by W3C since 1997, and we are in the top ten websites, as WMF likes to boast.


Anyway, putting down one of the main concerns of this list as nonsense
is not helpful.

Sure. For your information, this mailing list is a insult to the real excluded people.
 

Thanks.

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Re: [Gendergap] [Foundation-l] Fundraising is for men

Manuel Palomo Duarte
+1 

Sometimes (goodwilling), we try to give a voice to those that do have it, but don't want to use it. Instead of giving it to those who don't have it and thus, are excluded ...

[Sorry for my English]

2011/12/1 emijrp <[hidden email]>
2011/12/1 Carol Moore <[hidden email]>
On 11/29/2011 5:19 PM, emijrp wrote:
>
>
> So, the first step would be to try and figure out if women are
> visiting the site and not editing or just not visiting at all, before
> saying nonsense about sexism and Wikipedia community.

Fundraising from women is an interesting topic. You may think comments
about sexism and the Wikipedia community are nonsense, but guess what.
Women who take a lot of sexist nonsense AT wikipedia sure aren't going
to donate TO wikipedia, are they?

Also, since women in general are busier with work AND family
responsibilities, so often the women who have the most time to edit are
unemployed, disabled, retired or otherwise on limited incomes.

[citation needed]

Furthermore, editing Wikipedia only requires 30 minutes a day/week. I'm sure all women waste more time watching TV. But watching TV is funnier for most the people.

In the other hand, looks like women in all ages have time to waste in Facebook http://www.kenburbary.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Image1_thumb3.png And gender balance is fifty-fifty.

Finally, if the reason for the low female editors proportion is time, how can Wikipedia solve that? Are we going to pay to female editors for their time?


I can
think of a few.  Besides a ten spot here and a ten spot there, we can't
give large amounts of money.
But there are women with big bucks out
there giving lots to women-friendly organizations left and right. We
must make Wikipedia women friendly to get their money.

You are wrong. To see donation banners and to donate only reading is required, not editing. Are you going to say that only poor women read Wikipedia?

By they way, making Wikipedia women friendly? What does that mean? Is that a new politically correct science?

Better, make Wikipedia friendly to disabled people, the great forgotten excluded people group. For example, blind people can't sign up because of Wikipedia captcha (there is no sound captcha https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4845). That is a real barrier which Wikimedia Foundation have to solve putting resources.
 
Where is the accessibility mailing list? Accessibility is a recommendation by W3C since 1997, and we are in the top ten websites, as WMF likes to boast.


Anyway, putting down one of the main concerns of this list as nonsense
is not helpful.

Sure. For your information, this mailing list is a insult to the real excluded people.
 

Thanks.

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