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Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia in an abstract language

Pine W
Forwarding because this (ambitious!) proposal may be of interest to people
on other lists. I'm not endorsing the proposal at this time, but I'm
curious about it.

Pine
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From: Denny Vrandečić <[hidden email]>
Date: Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 6:32 PM
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia in an abstract language
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Semantic Web languages allow to express ontologies and knowledge bases in a
way meant to be particularly amenable to the Web. Ontologies formalize the
shared understanding of a domain. But the most expressive and widespread
languages that we know of are human natural languages, and the largest
knowledge base we have is the wealth of text written in human languages.

We looks for a path to bridge the gap between knowledge representation
languages such as OWL and human natural languages such as English. We
propose a project to simultaneously expose that gap, allow to collaborate
on closing it, make progress widely visible, and is highly attractive and
valuable in its own right: a Wikipedia written in an abstract language to
be rendered into any natural language on request. This would make current
Wikipedia editors about 100x more productive, and increase the content of
Wikipedia by 10x. For billions of users this will unlock knowledge they
currently do not have access to.

My first talk on this topic will be on October 10, 2018, 16:45-17:00, at
the Asilomar in Monterey, CA during the Blue Sky track of ISWC. My second,
longer talk on the topic will be at the DL workshop in Tempe, AZ, October
27-29. Comments are very welcome as I prepare the slides and the talk.

Link to the paper: http://simia.net/download/abstractwikipedia.pdf

Cheers,
Denny
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Re: Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia in an abstract language

Felipe Schenone
This is quite an awesome idea. But thinking about it, wouldn't it be
possible to use structured data in wikidata to generate articles? Can't we
skip the need of learning an abstract language by using wikidata?

Also, is there discussion about this idea anywhere in the Wikimedia wikis?
I haven't found any...

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 3:44 PM Pine W <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Forwarding because this (ambitious!) proposal may be of interest to people
> on other lists. I'm not endorsing the proposal at this time, but I'm
> curious about it.
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Denny Vrandečić <[hidden email]>
> Date: Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 6:32 PM
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia in an abstract language
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <[hidden email]>
>
>
> Semantic Web languages allow to express ontologies and knowledge bases in a
> way meant to be particularly amenable to the Web. Ontologies formalize the
> shared understanding of a domain. But the most expressive and widespread
> languages that we know of are human natural languages, and the largest
> knowledge base we have is the wealth of text written in human languages.
>
> We looks for a path to bridge the gap between knowledge representation
> languages such as OWL and human natural languages such as English. We
> propose a project to simultaneously expose that gap, allow to collaborate
> on closing it, make progress widely visible, and is highly attractive and
> valuable in its own right: a Wikipedia written in an abstract language to
> be rendered into any natural language on request. This would make current
> Wikipedia editors about 100x more productive, and increase the content of
> Wikipedia by 10x. For billions of users this will unlock knowledge they
> currently do not have access to.
>
> My first talk on this topic will be on October 10, 2018, 16:45-17:00, at
> the Asilomar in Monterey, CA during the Blue Sky track of ISWC. My second,
> longer talk on the topic will be at the DL workshop in Tempe, AZ, October
> 27-29. Comments are very welcome as I prepare the slides and the talk.
>
> Link to the paper: http://simia.net/download/abstractwikipedia.pdf
>
> Cheers,
> Denny
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Re: Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia in an abstract language

Federico Leva (Nemo)
Felipe Schenone, 13/01/19 14:28:
> But thinking about it, wouldn't it be
> possible to use structured data in wikidata to generate articles? Can't we
> skip the need of learning an abstract language by using wikidata?

That's what we were supposedly doing with ArticlePlaceholder:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ArticlePlaceholder
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Filling_red_links_with_Wikidata

Now it's not clear whether that approach is being dumped or what:
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/?oldid=18768014#Difference_from_article_placeholder>

Federico

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