Dear all,
thanks for the General Assembly today. It was a quite lively meeting but also in a positive sense, better than to just nod off everything. I am writing this as a long-term member, not staff. Thanks for all the board candidates and Matina for her past work! Suggestions for the next time: * get a facilitator who chairs the meeting - somebody with a strong voice, a clear mind concerning the procedures (clear voting announcements etc.) and who does not have to follow the topics and own agenda at the same time * print the auditor's report as part of the financial report * print the last year's budget (planned, revised, actual) and current budget (planned, revised) After the meeting a notebook power adapter was left. I assume somebody from us forgot it. Please contact me, I have it. Regards and thanks, Manuel -- Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Lausanne, +41 (21) 34066-22 - www.wikimedia.ch _______________________________________________ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l |
Dear Manuel, dear all
Thank you! It was indeed a lively meeting. It prooved that about a tenth of all WMCH are really active in a positive, democratic sense. That's a good sign for the chapter and something that both the Board and our dedicated staff can be happy about. In the end, the Board can be blamed for having badly prepared the point about the bylaws modifications. It's now our task to correctly continue the process with the different language versions, and most importantly, the vote of the members in mind. The rest of the General Assembly was less agitated. I especially hope that our annual reports left a good impression and enthuasism for the future. Plus: I would like to add that bylaws modifications aren't necessarily a topic that needs to be treated at each GA. I understand Manuel's suggestion for a facilitator, but it's too early to comment on it right now. I may do so after consultations with my Board colleagues. I'm looking forward to any other suggestions that attendees of yesterday's GA might have. I also want to thank Matina for her past year as a Board member. Her contributions, notably regarding the bylaw modifications, were controversial in one sense, but also very valuable in the other. Sorry to Micha and Emanuel who have both prepared a presentation which had to be cancelled at the end of the GA. ![]() BTW: The power adapter is mine. I later returned to the YH where I was told that it wasn't there, and that someone else might have taken it. So, thanks for the information and for sending it to me, Manuel. Regards, Patrick Kenel ~~~~ Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens www.wikimedia.ch > Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 22:04:25 +0100 > From: [hidden email] > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [Wikimediach-l] General Assembly today - Thanks and lost power adapter > > Dear all, > > thanks for the General Assembly today. It was a quite lively meeting but > also in a positive sense, better than to just nod off everything. I am > writing this as a long-term member, not staff. > > Thanks for all the board candidates and Matina for her past work! > > Suggestions for the next time: > > * get a facilitator who chairs the meeting - somebody with a strong > voice, a clear mind concerning the procedures (clear voting > announcements etc.) and who does not have to follow the topics and own > agenda at the same time > > * print the auditor's report as part of the financial report > > * print the last year's budget (planned, revised, actual) and current > budget (planned, revised) > > After the meeting a notebook power adapter was left. I assume somebody > from us forgot it. Please contact me, I have it. > > Regards and thanks, > > > Manuel > -- > Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > Lausanne, +41 (21) 34066-22 - www.wikimedia.ch > > _______________________________________________ > http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website > Wikimediach-l mailing list > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l _______________________________________________ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l |
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Le 23/03/2014 22:04, Manuel Schneider a écrit :
> Suggestions for the next time: > > * get a facilitator who chairs the meeting - somebody with a strong > voice, a clear mind concerning the procedures (clear voting > announcements etc.) and who does not have to follow the topics and own > agenda at the same time > > * print the auditor's report as part of the financial report > > * print the last year's budget (planned, revised, actual) and current > budget (planned, revised) Agree, in addition: * Staff should respect a "duty of discretion" (although on Sunday the help was unfortunately necessary to get out of the chaos) in general an in the GA in particularly. * Board members should better be correctly dressed and looking at the attendance instead of geeking with their notebook/smartphone (heard in the attendance) Emmanuel -- Volunteer Technology, GLAM, Trainings Zurich +41 797 670 398 _______________________________________________ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l |
Dear all
Am 25.03.2014 11:00, schrieb Emmanuel Engelhart: > Le 23/03/2014 22:04, Manuel Schneider a écrit : >> Suggestions for the next time: >> >> * get a facilitator who chairs the meeting - somebody with a strong >> voice, a clear mind concerning the procedures (clear voting >> announcements etc.) and who does not have to follow the topics and own >> agenda at the same time This might be by election out of the attending Members as Chairman of the meeting (Tagespräsident) at the beginning of an AGM/SGM >> >> * print the auditor's report as part of the financial report >> >> * print the last year's budget (planned, revised, actual) and current >> budget (planned, revised) Let's assume, I would be interested to become an association Member (no, I'm not an association dude) and would like to know more about your activities. Unfortunately I couldn't find the former AGM reports and financial statements on: https://www.wikimedia.ch :-( Just my 2 cents... Andreas > > Agree, in addition: > > * Staff should respect a "duty of discretion" (although on Sunday the > help was unfortunately necessary to get out of the chaos) in general an > in the GA in particularly. > > * Board members should better be correctly dressed and looking at the > attendance instead of geeking with their notebook/smartphone (heard in > the attendance) BTW, do you have an association Members private email list? ;-) > > Emmanuel > -- Andreas Bürki [hidden email] S/MIME certificate - SHA1 fingerprint: ED:A5:F3:60:70:8B:4C:16:44:18:96:AE:67:B9:CA:77:AE:DA:83:11 GnuPG - GPG fingerprint: 5DA7 5F48 25BD D2D7 E488 05DF 5A99 A321 7E42 0227 _______________________________________________ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l |
The report are here https://www.wikimedia.ch/donate/official-reports But it's true than the donation section is not the most obvious place to find it, actually it's related that 99,9% if the visitor of the website are Wikipedia donors, that's why the information are in this section. WMCH had a private member's list in the past, but it was only for official announce for the members and has been replaced by the CRM tools. cheers Charles ___________________________________________________________ Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – www.wikimedia.ch Skype: charles.andres.wmch <a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch
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Am 25.03.2014 11:41, schrieb Charles Andres: > > The report are here https://www.wikimedia.ch/donate/official-reports dumb me :-( - Thank you! > > But it's true than the donation section is not the most obvious place to > find it, actually it's related that 99,9% if the visitor of the website > are Wikipedia donors, that's why the information are in this section. Understood. I was simply expecting (beside bylaws etc.) something like: Home » Who are we » The Association » Annual reports If it's not a big deal, maybe a link from The Association to /donate/official-reports would add some user friendliness ? cheeers, Andreas > > > WMCH had a private member's list in the past, but it was only for > official announce for the members and has been replaced by the CRM tools. > > > cheers > > Charles > ___________________________________________________________ > Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer > "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge – > www.wikimedia.ch <http://www.wikimedia.ch/> > Skype: charles.andres.wmch > IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch <irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch> > > Le 25 mars 2014 à 11:23, Andreas Bürki <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> a écrit : > >> Dear all >> >> Am 25.03.2014 11:00, schrieb Emmanuel Engelhart: >>> Le 23/03/2014 22:04, Manuel Schneider a écrit : >>>> Suggestions for the next time: >>>> >>>> * get a facilitator who chairs the meeting - somebody with a strong >>>> voice, a clear mind concerning the procedures (clear voting >>>> announcements etc.) and who does not have to follow the topics and own >>>> agenda at the same time >> >> >> This might be by election out of the attending Members as Chairman of >> the meeting (Tagespräsident) at the beginning of an AGM/SGM >> >> >>>> >>>> * print the auditor's report as part of the financial report >>>> >>>> * print the last year's budget (planned, revised, actual) and current >>>> budget (planned, revised) >> >> >> Let's assume, I would be interested to become an association Member (no, >> I'm not an association dude) and would like to know more about your >> activities. Unfortunately I couldn't find the former AGM reports and >> financial statements on: >> >> https://www.wikimedia.ch :-( >> >> Just my 2 cents... >> >> >> Andreas >> >> >>> >>> Agree, in addition: >>> >>> * Staff should respect a "duty of discretion" (although on Sunday the >>> help was unfortunately necessary to get out of the chaos) in general an >>> in the GA in particularly. >>> >>> * Board members should better be correctly dressed and looking at the >>> attendance instead of geeking with their notebook/smartphone (heard in >>> the attendance) >> >> >> BTW, do you have an association Members private email list? ;-) >> >> >>> >>> Emmanuel >>> >> >> -- >> >> Andreas Bürki >> >> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> >> S/MIME certificate - SHA1 fingerprint: >> ED:A5:F3:60:70:8B:4C:16:44:18:96:AE:67:B9:CA:77:AE:DA:83:11 >> GnuPG - GPG fingerprint: >> 5DA7 5F48 25BD D2D7 E488 05DF 5A99 A321 7E42 0227 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website >> Wikimediach-l mailing list >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l > > > _______________________________________________ > http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website > Wikimediach-l mailing list > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l > Andreas Bürki [hidden email] S/MIME certificate - SHA1 fingerprint: ED:A5:F3:60:70:8B:4C:16:44:18:96:AE:67:B9:CA:77:AE:DA:83:11 GnuPG - GPG fingerprint: 5DA7 5F48 25BD D2D7 E488 05DF 5A99 A321 7E42 0227 _______________________________________________ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l |
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Am 25.03.2014 11:23, schrieb Andreas Bürki:
> This might be by election out of the attending Members as Chairman of > the meeting (Tagespräsident) at the beginning of an AGM/SGM yes, but never forget that in bigger organisations with more complex discussions it is often just useful to have a) a professional facilitator who has the means to keep the order of business even in a heated debate and b) someone that is neutral and not part of the discussion Within several associations I made very good experiences with having a facilitator. It makes it also easier for the members in charge to focus on the discussion itself and not on the list of people raising hands etc. Of course this is just a suggestion, up to the board to decide. /Manuel -- Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Lausanne, +41 (21) 34066-22 - www.wikimedia.ch _______________________________________________ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l |
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Definitively, I will check how we can do that!
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Am 25.03.2014 11:00, schrieb Emmanuel Engelhart:
> * Staff should respect a "duty of discretion" (although on Sunday the > help was unfortunately necessary to get out of the chaos) in general an > in the GA in particularly. I agree with that and I tried to stay out of discussions as far as possible. In case of problematic votes I abstain. On Sunday at some point I just felt that I should step in because I had a plan how to solve the discussion going in circles. I appologize should someone got the impression that I was pushing for certain opinion. Note that I am a founding member of Wikimedia CH, already involved with the association when it didn't yet exist, by facilitating the bylaw creation process and doing the translations between german / english. Today I am considered to be part of the staff, which is why I try to stay away from internal politics as described above, but in fact as a part-time contractor in charge of IT and working off-site I am generally not in touch of any politics anyway. /Manuel -- Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Lausanne, +41 (21) 34066-22 - www.wikimedia.ch _______________________________________________ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l |
A professional facilitator would be a good thing. The president will remain nominally "in charge" of the GA, the facilitator is there to make sure things stay on track, to manage discussions and the timetable. It is a good solution for everybody, especially for the president who no longer needs to worry about details and can concentrate on the real issues. GabeOn Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Manuel Schneider <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Dear all,
Thank you for continuing the discussions here. I'm preparing a statement with explanations about the situation of the WMCH Board, but will most likely publish it on another thread. > Within several associations I made very good experiences with having a > facilitator. It makes it also easier for the members in charge to focus > on the discussion itself and not on the list of people raising hands etc. It's something to be considered, although I'm not going into details before deeper consultations. Just this: The use of the flipchart, which was there in the room, could have been helpful to focus the discussion. But when you're in the middle of a heated debate, you can't think about easy devices... Patrick Kenel ~~~~ Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens www.wikimedia.ch > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 16:40:51 +0100 > From: [hidden email] > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Wikimediach-l] General Assembly today - Thanks and lost power adapter > > Am 25.03.2014 11:23, schrieb Andreas Bürki: > > This might be by election out of the attending Members as Chairman of > > the meeting (Tagespräsident) at the beginning of an AGM/SGM > > yes, but never forget that in bigger organisations with more complex > discussions it is often just useful to have > > a) a professional facilitator who has the means to keep the order of > business even in a heated debate and > > b) someone that is neutral and not part of the discussion > > Within several associations I made very good experiences with having a > facilitator. It makes it also easier for the members in charge to focus > on the discussion itself and not on the list of people raising hands etc. > > Of course this is just a suggestion, up to the board to decide. > > > /Manuel > -- > Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > Lausanne, +41 (21) 34066-22 - www.wikimedia.ch > > _______________________________________________ > http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website > Wikimediach-l mailing list > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l _______________________________________________ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l |
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Anyway I would thank you for everything was good. Like the participation of members, their involvement in the discussion and their good approach to the Assembly (and why not also for their patience).On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Manuel Schneider <[hidden email]> wrote: Dear all, -- Ilario Valdelli Wikipedia: IlarioWikimedia CH Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera Switzerland - 8008 Zürich _______________________________________________ http://wikimedia.ch Wikimedia CH website Wikimediach-l mailing list https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l |
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There is the duty of discretion but there is also the freedom of speech. Anything said to clarify a problem or an history is freedom of speech (as usual in any assembly).Mainly for bylaws the question was: "Why this clause has been included?", an answer is mandatory. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Manuel Schneider <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I think it is sufficient to split the duties, just like it is nice to have a timekeeper in even small meetings, who looks after the agenda. If we start having professionals for every task we loose our unique selling point of beeing a volunteer organization which lets people grow on tasks, and is able to deal with weak points of participating people. Rupert Am 26.03.2014 17:17 schrieb "Gabriel Thullen" <[hidden email]>:
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