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Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

Ryan Lomonaco
A housekeeping note: Gmail has been marking some list messages as spam for
the past five days or so.  It sounds like this is affecting other Wikimedia
lists, including Otrs-en-l and daily-article-l.  I don't know what if any
work has been done to try to fix this issue, but until it's sorted out, you
might need to watch your spam folders for list posts.

Thanks,
Ryan

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Re: Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

Risker
On 17 June 2010 13:12, Ryan Lomonaco <[hidden email]> wrote:

> A housekeeping note: Gmail has been marking some list messages as spam for
> the past five days or so.  It sounds like this is affecting other Wikimedia
> lists, including Otrs-en-l and daily-article-l.  I don't know what if any
> work has been done to try to fix this issue, but until it's sorted out, you
> might need to watch your spam folders for list posts.
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
>
>
I can confirm that Gmail has been marking at least some mail as spam from
*every* Wikimedia or Wikipedia list to which I subscribe, and has been doing
so since June 11. This includes messages from the OTRS notification system.

Risker/Anne
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Re: Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

Daniel ~ Leinad
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2010/6/17 Ryan Lomonaco <[hidden email]>:
> A housekeeping note: Gmail has been marking some list messages as spam for
> the past five days or so.  It sounds like this is affecting other Wikimedia

I've noticed the same problem with Gmail ;/

In last days I have to check very carefully spam folder.

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Re: Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

Shiju Alex
Yes. This is true. Many messages are marked as spam during the past few
days.

I got this message also from the SPAM folder.




On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Daniel ~ Leinad <[hidden email]>wrote:

> 2010/6/17 Ryan Lomonaco <[hidden email]>:
> > A housekeeping note: Gmail has been marking some list messages as spam
> for
> > the past five days or so.  It sounds like this is affecting other
> Wikimedia
>
> I've noticed the same problem with Gmail ;/
>
> In last days I have to check very carefully spam folder.
>
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Re: Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

Thomas Dalton
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On 17 June 2010 18:12, Ryan Lomonaco <[hidden email]> wrote:
> A housekeeping note: Gmail has been marking some list messages as spam for
> the past five days or so.  It sounds like this is affecting other Wikimedia
> lists, including Otrs-en-l and daily-article-l.  I don't know what if any
> work has been done to try to fix this issue, but until it's sorted out, you
> might need to watch your spam folders for list posts.

So *that's* why nothing's been making any sense! Thanks for telling me!

There is a simple solution:

1) Click "create a filter" next to the search bar
2) Type "lists.wikimedia.org" in the "To:" box
3) Click "Next step"
4) Check "Never send to spam"
5) Save the filter

This will NOT get things out of spam that are already in it, though.
Search for "in:spam to:lists.wikimedia.org" to find them and "Not
Spam" them manually.

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Re: Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

Pavlo Shevelo
Hi Thomas,

I appreciate a lot your warning and hint

> This will NOT get things out of spam that are already in it, though.
> Search for "in:spam to:lists.wikimedia.org" to find them and "Not
> Spam" them manually.

as I never noticed before that checkbox

"Also apply filter to XXX conversations below."

(see 2nd page of Gmail filter wizard)
doesn't process letters which're in Spam already.

Regards,

Pavlo

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 17 June 2010 18:12, Ryan Lomonaco <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> A housekeeping note: Gmail has been marking some list messages as spam for
>> the past five days or so.  It sounds like this is affecting other Wikimedia
>> lists, including Otrs-en-l and daily-article-l.  I don't know what if any
>> work has been done to try to fix this issue, but until it's sorted out, you
>> might need to watch your spam folders for list posts.
>
> So *that's* why nothing's been making any sense! Thanks for telling me!
>
> There is a simple solution:
>
> 1) Click "create a filter" next to the search bar
> 2) Type "lists.wikimedia.org" in the "To:" box
> 3) Click "Next step"
> 4) Check "Never send to spam"
> 5) Save the filter
>
> This will NOT get things out of spam that are already in it, though.
> Search for "in:spam to:lists.wikimedia.org" to find them and "Not
> Spam" them manually.
>
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Re: Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

Anthony-73
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On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]>wrote:

> 2) Type "lists.wikimedia.org" in the "To:" box
>

If you use "Has the words:" [quote]listid:"*.wikimedia.org"[/quote] you'll
be able to catch certain messages not caught by the To: filter.
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Re: Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

Junaid P V
I think adding mailing list addresses to contacts list will solve the
problem.

On 18 June 2010 03:07, Anthony <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]
> >wrote:
>
> > 2) Type "lists.wikimedia.org" in the "To:" box
> >
>
> If you use "Has the words:" [quote]listid:"*.wikimedia.org"[/quote] you'll
> be able to catch certain messages not caught by the To: filter.
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Re: Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

Filip Maljković
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On 06/17/2010 07:48 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:

> There is a simple solution:
>
> 1) Click "create a filter" next to the search bar
> 2) Type "lists.wikimedia.org" in the "To:" box
> 3) Click "Next step"
> 4) Check "Never send to spam"
> 5) Save the filter
>
> This will NOT get things out of spam that are already in it, though.
> Search for "in:spam to:lists.wikimedia.org" to find them and "Not
> Spam" them manually.
>
>    
Unfortunately, this has a side-effect. If you're a mailing list
administrator, you'll often get spam mail sent directly to
[hidden email]. With a filter like this, junk mail
that has been normally, and rightfully so, sent to Spam will start
appearing in Inbox, which is quite a nuisance.

Cheers,
Filip

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Re: Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

Chad
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On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Ryan Lomonaco <[hidden email]> wrote:

> A housekeeping note: Gmail has been marking some list messages as spam for
> the past five days or so.  It sounds like this is affecting other Wikimedia
> lists, including Otrs-en-l and daily-article-l.  I don't know what if any
> work has been done to try to fix this issue, but until it's sorted out, you
> might need to watch your spam folders for list posts.
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
>
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A few of us noticed this several days back. If you check some
of the blacklists, lists.wikimedia.org seems to have some people's
naughty list. Don't know if that's whats causing it or not though.

-Chad

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Re: Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

Peter Gervai-5
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:30, Chad <[hidden email]> wrote:

> A few of us noticed this several days back. If you check some
> of the blacklists, lists.wikimedia.org seems to have some people's
> naughty list. Don't know if that's whats causing it or not though.

It usually does, but right now I don't see it listed to any relevant
lists. (last time I checked google doesn't care much about irrelevant
ones)

Of course the other reason might be lots of people pressing SPAM
button in gmail....

g

ps: backscatterer is a joke and sorbs useless due to payware removals.

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Re: Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

Cary Bass-4
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On 06/17/2010 10:17 AM, Risker wrote:
> I can confirm that Gmail has been marking at least some mail as
> spam from *every* Wikimedia or Wikipedia list to which I subscribe,
> and has been doing so since June 11. This includes messages from
> the OTRS notification system.
I recently sent a rather important message about a scholarship to one
of the awardees.  I sent the email from my Thunderbird, but the "from"
address was not mine, but the default scholarship address.  I asked
him why he hadn't responded, this person fished it out of their spam
folder.

So it's not just listmail and otrs; it's also mail coming from the
Foundation's mailserver directly.

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Re: Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

Gregory Maxwell
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On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote:
> This will NOT get things out of spam that are already in it, though.
> Search for "in:spam to:lists.wikimedia.org" to find them and "Not
> Spam" them manually.



Gah!  The search result for that gives me _thousands_ of messages. ...
and it seems that you can only not-spam a page at a time, the not spam
option goes away if you tell it to mark all of the messages in the
search results

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Re: Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

Thomas Dalton
On 18 June 2010 22:16, Gregory Maxwell <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> This will NOT get things out of spam that are already in it, though.
>> Search for "in:spam to:lists.wikimedia.org" to find them and "Not
>> Spam" them manually.
>
>
>
> Gah!  The search result for that gives me _thousands_ of messages. ...
> and it seems that you can only not-spam a page at a time, the not spam
> option goes away if you tell it to mark all of the messages in the
> search results

Yes, I discovered the same thing. I don't understand why - it seems to
be a bug. Fortunately, I only found hundreds, not thousands.

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Re: Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

James Alexander-3
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On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Gregory Maxwell <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > This will NOT get things out of spam that are already in it, though.
> > Search for "in:spam to:lists.wikimedia.org" to find them and "Not
> > Spam" them manually.
>
>
>
> Gah!  The search result for that gives me _thousands_ of messages. ...
> and it seems that you can only not-spam a page at a time, the not spam
> option goes away if you tell it to mark all of the messages in the
> search results
>
>
aye this is my issue. I'm flagging some of the mailing lists at the moment
but part of me thinks I should let them go to spam and press the "not spam"
to train it. I'm still having issues on the one where I'm owner, at least
one gives me 100+ spam mails on some days and I DONT want those in my inbox.
:/


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Re: Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

Anthony-73
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On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]>wrote:

> On 18 June 2010 22:16, Gregory Maxwell <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >> This will NOT get things out of spam that are already in it, though.
> >> Search for "in:spam to:lists.wikimedia.org" to find them and "Not
> >> Spam" them manually.
> >
> >
> >
> > Gah!  The search result for that gives me _thousands_ of messages. ...
> > and it seems that you can only not-spam a page at a time, the not spam
> > option goes away if you tell it to mark all of the messages in the
> > search results
>
> Yes, I discovered the same thing. I don't understand why - it seems to
> be a bug. Fortunately, I only found hundreds, not thousands.


It's not a bug, it's a feature.  Google doesn't want you screwing up its
spam filter by not-spamming messages which you haven't even read the title
of.  You can still click on "move to inbox".
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Re: Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

MZMcBride-2
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Ryan Lomonaco wrote:
> A housekeeping note: Gmail has been marking some list messages as spam for
> the past five days or so.

Google is evil.

MZMcBride



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Re: Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

Fajro
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 3:00 PM, MZMcBride <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Google is evil.

"Due to a filter you created, this message was not sent to Spam."


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Re: Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

Erik Moeller-4
I reached out to Google about this, and they tell me it should be
fixed later today, at least for misclassified listserv messages.
According to our contact there, the misclassification happened because
spammers have included images from Wikimedia projects in spam
messages. Let me know offlist if you see additional false positives
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Re: Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

David Gerard-2
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On 19 June 2010 19:00, MZMcBride <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Ryan Lomonaco wrote:

>> A housekeeping note: Gmail has been marking some list messages as spam for
>> the past five days or so.

> Google is evil.


Your message ended up in my Gmail spam ;-p


- d.

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