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Isn't it getting to be time...

Michael Snow
...for a fundraiser?

Admittedly, I don't know the current state of finances, though I get
people asking me about it. But I assume money is still needed, and
recently encountering what seemed like server load difficulties reminds
me of it. There are of course other needs like staffing (not least
someone to manage the day-to-day financial things, which might allow for
better reporting on the subject as well).

Anyway, it's been more than five months since we started the last one.
By the time we're ready to kick off, it might be six. We've contemplated
quarterly fundraisers before, and certainly twice a year should hardly
qualify as much of an inconvenience for people.

--Michael Snow
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Re: Isn't it getting to be time...

Austin Hair
As best as anyone in the community knows, we're still well short of
our operating budget, especially with the Foundation's commitment to
Wikimania in just over two months.

I think it's time to ask for a little help.  People know running one
of the top 20 sites on the Web isn't cheap, after all.

Austin
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Re: Isn't it getting to be time...

metasj
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On Wed, 24 May 2006, Michael Snow wrote:

> ...for a fundraiser?

It's a beautiful spring for it.

> Admittedly, I don't know the current state of finances, though I get

Extrapolating from the Q4 budget last year, we could use a fundraiser
to cover the first half of this year.

--SJ

ps - one can follow paypal donations here:
http://fundraising.wikimedia.org/ongoing/index.php/2006/
      and hardware orders here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_servers/hardware_orders

pps - Jeff Moe, wherever you are -- you are my hero.
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Re: Isn't it getting to be time...

Florence Devouard-3
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Michael Snow wrote:

> ...for a fundraiser?
>
> Admittedly, I don't know the current state of finances, though I get
> people asking me about it. But I assume money is still needed, and
> recently encountering what seemed like server load difficulties reminds
> me of it. There are of course other needs like staffing (not least
> someone to manage the day-to-day financial things, which might allow for
> better reporting on the subject as well).
>
> Anyway, it's been more than five months since we started the last one.
> By the time we're ready to kick off, it might be six. We've contemplated
> quarterly fundraisers before, and certainly twice a year should hardly
> qualify as much of an inconvenience for people.
>
> --Michael Snow


Hello

Yup, I mentionned the issue rather recently as well, noting that a
fundraising might be best before summer.

I asked Michael if we could get a financial report to evaluate the
situation. Financial statements for the year are roughly done, but for a
part about Wikimania still not fixed. I suppose Mav should soon give us
more feedback I expect. We have approximately 530 000 dollars in cash,
which is roughly what it was at the end of February.

Donations through PayPal are roughly between 25 to 35 000 dollars per
week. It might be interesting to generalize the idea of putting the
permanent donation link at the top of pages.

In terms of getting funds, we try to get more organised to collect funds
from those using our content or setting up search systems on our db.
Danny also made a pretty active search of sponsors for Wikimania. I also
tried to strongly suggest donating to a couple of organisations through
the special project committee, but with no success as of today :-(

In terms of expenses, we definitly have Wikimania coming.

Two techco meetings took place two weeks ago and a couple of days ago,
so I suppose we can expect new order pretty soon :-)

There are some pretty advanced discussions to hire staff as well. CEO,
legal in-house counsel as well as more assistants to help with OTRS and
phone answering.

So, I'd say we would definitly benefit from a fundraising. It is not
*urgent* but we need to anticipate before it becomes urgent.

ant






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Re: Isn't it getting to be time...

Delphine Ménard
On 5/25/06, Anthere <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Donations through PayPal are roughly between 25 to 35 000 dollars per
> week. It might be interesting to generalize the idea of putting the
> permanent donation link at the top of pages.

Errrr, per week? If it's per week, we can go and sleep a little more
soundly. If I remember weel, it is per month rather.

> In terms of getting funds, we try to get more organised to collect funds
> from those using our content or setting up search systems on our db.
> Danny also made a pretty active search of sponsors for Wikimania. I also
> tried to strongly suggest donating to a couple of organisations through
> the special project committee, but with no success as of today :-(
>
> In terms of expenses, we definitly have Wikimania coming.

Thanks to Danny, yes, the operating budget of Wikimania is on the way
to being covered.

>
> Two techco meetings took place two weeks ago and a couple of days ago,
> so I suppose we can expect new order pretty soon :-)
>
> There are some pretty advanced discussions to hire staff as well. CEO,
> legal in-house counsel as well as more assistants to help with OTRS and
> phone answering.
>
> So, I'd say we would definitly benefit from a fundraising. It is not
> *urgent* but we need to anticipate before it becomes urgent.

Indeed.

Delphine
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Re: Isn't it getting to be time...

Michael Davis-4
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Anthere wrote:
> Donations through PayPal are roughly between 25 to 35 000 dollars per
> week. It might be interesting to generalize the idea of putting the
> permanent donation link at the top of pages.

That should be per month.

Michael

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Re: Isn't it getting to be time...

Erik Moeller-3
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On 5/25/06, Samuel Klein <[hidden email]> wrote:
> http://fundraising.wikimedia.org/ongoing/index.php/2006/

Excellent. I didn't realize there was so much coming in, even without
an active fundraiser. I agree with Ant (if that is what she meant)
that the "personal appeal" should probably show up for anonymous users
on all wikis. It would be even nicer if that message would change
regularly. I think it is important that people see that real progress
is made towards these ambitious goals (e.g. the OEPC project to put
Wikipedia on the "One Laptop Per Child").

As for another fundraiser, bring it on! :-)

Erik
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Re: Isn't it getting to be time...

Jeremy Tobacman
Fundraising stats and figures are still up from the previous drives:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wikidemia/Fundraising
Can anyone lend me a hand with the formatting of the raw data?  If so, I can
extend the figures to cover the last few months and provide frequent updates
during any new drives.

On 5/25/06, Erik Moeller <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I agree with Ant (if that is what she meant) that the "personal appeal"
> should probably show up for anonymous users on all wikis. It would be even
> nicer if that message would change regularly.
>

These sound like good ideas.  To me they also suggest a question:
How can we figure out what fundraising tactics are actually the most
effective?
I propose that we run some "randomized evaluations," eg, by randomly varying
the fundraising appeal that gets served to some visitors to the site.  The
randomization could be done based on the time of the page request, the IP,
or something else.  Then we could compare the contributions made by people
who received different appeals, and subsequently focus on the ones that
worked best.

Jeremy
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Re: Isn't it getting to be time...

Daniel Mayer
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--- Anthere <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I asked Michael if we could get a financial report to evaluate the
> situation. Financial statements for the year are roughly done, but for a
> part about Wikimania still not fixed. I suppose Mav should soon give us
> more feedback I expect. We have approximately 530 000 dollars in cash,
> which is roughly what it was at the end of February.

You have a report from me that lists per quarter spending and income for all of 2004, 2005 and the
first quarter of this year. The only thing missing are Wikimania expenses for 2005 (Michael is
working on incorporating that into the regular finances, last I heard) and a current liquid asset
report (Micheal is much better situated to prepare that as well).
 
> Donations through PayPal are roughly between 25 to 35 000 dollars per
> week. It might be interesting to generalize the idea of putting the
> permanent donation link at the top of pages.

s/per week/per month

We are also getting a fairly steady stream of mail donations as well. I'm away from the financial
records right now, so I can't say just how much.

I would most certainly like to see the anonnote for every wiki have a small, permanent, donation
message. The English Wikipedia has had 'Your [continued donations] keep Wikipedia running!' since
the end of the last fundraiser. IMO, having that has helped result in the continued healthy
donation rate and has eliminated the need to have a Q1 fundraiser. Also helping us has been a
lower than expected increase in expenses.    
 
> In terms of getting funds, we try to get more organised to collect funds
> from those using our content or setting up search systems on our db.
> Danny also made a pretty active search of sponsors for Wikimania. I also
> tried to strongly suggest donating to a couple of organisations through
> the special project committee, but with no success as of today :-(

Getting funds in that way is great, but almost all of that kind of money will be program-specific
(money that can only be used for, for example, to print textbooks in Africa or, as you mention, to
help pay for a conference). So I suspect that most operating expenses (servers, bandwidth and
staffing) will continue to require donations from readers.
 
> In terms of expenses, we definitely have Wikimania coming.

I have yet to see a budget for Wikimania, so how are we planning that? One must know how much
something will cost before trying to figure out if we have enough money for it. :)

> Two techco meetings took place two weeks ago and a couple of days ago,
> so I suppose we can expect new order pretty soon :-)

IIRC, there was some talk after the last multi-hour outage to start building a second large fully
Wikimedia-owned and controlled server farm and have it in a geographically different place than
the current server farm (maybe near Brion in the LA area). The idea being, that if one server farm
goes down, that the other could take over with minimal disruption to at least reading of pages. If
that is the case, then we have some fairly serious server expenses coming up.
 
> There are some pretty advanced discussions to hire staff as well. CEO,
> legal in-house counsel as well as more assistants to help with OTRS and
> phone answering.

Nod. But, IMO, we should seriously consider a better place for the Wikimedia main office before
hiring lots of people. St Pete is fine as a tourist destination and maybe even as a satellite
office of the foundation given that two board members and Danny live there, but the host city of
the main office of an international organization? Sorry, but no.

Washington D.C. or NYC are places where almost every nation of world sends their ambassadors and
where a multitude of other international organizations, which we really should be working closely
with, are based. Talent pool is another consideration; many more people with the relevant
experience we need already live in those cities.
 
> So, I'd say we would definitely benefit from a fundraising. It is not
> *urgent* but we need to anticipate before it becomes urgent.

I told the board before that I will not run another fundraiser without the help from a duly
created fundraising committee. Nobody from the board has proposed the creation of such a committee
yet and I won't waste my time (as I did with trying to help staff the finance committee) until the
board acts.

We also really should pass a budget for the rest of the year before we have a fundraiser. I'm
going to send the spending forecast you aleady have to the officers and committees this weekend.
Hopefully, it won't take long to turn that into a proposed budget for the board to vote one.

-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)

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Re: Isn't it getting to be time...

Michael Davis-4
In reply to this post by Jeremy Tobacman
Jeremy Tobacman wrote:

> Fundraising stats and figures are still up from the previous drives:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wikidemia/Fundraising
> Can anyone lend me a hand with the formatting of the raw data?  If so, I can
> extend the figures to cover the last few months and provide frequent updates
> during any new drives.
>
> On 5/25/06, Erik Moeller <[hidden email]> wrote:
>  
>> I agree with Ant (if that is what she meant) that the "personal appeal"
>> should probably show up for anonymous users on all wikis. It would be even
>> nicer if that message would change regularly.
>>
>>    
>
> These sound like good ideas.  To me they also suggest a question:
> How can we figure out what fundraising tactics are actually the most
> effective?
> I propose that we run some "randomized evaluations," eg, by randomly varying
> the fundraising appeal that gets served to some visitors to the site.  The
> randomization could be done based on the time of the page request, the IP,
> or something else.  Then we could compare the contributions made by people
> who received different appeals, and subsequently focus on the ones that
> worked best.
>
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That's a great suggestion and long overdue.  We should organize our
public fundraising approaches  more professionally and really study what
is and isn't effective.  If we can improve the effectiveness, we can
have shorter or less frequent fundraisers. Currently our non-fundraiser
donation rate is close to our operating expense thus allowing us to
spread out our fundraisers. It's still not enough to sustain the
operation when we consider our capital expenditures.

Michael

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Re: Isn't it getting to be time...

Daniel Mayer
--- Michael Davis <[hidden email]> wrote:
> That's a great suggestion and long overdue.  We should organize our
> public fundraising approaches  more professionally and really study what
> is and isn't effective.  If we can improve the effectiveness, we can
> have shorter or less frequent fundraisers. Currently our non-fundraiser
> donation rate is close to our operating expense thus allowing us to
> spread out our fundraisers. It's still not enough to sustain the
> operation when we consider our capital expenditures.

Thus the need for a fundraising committee. There are at least several people beyond myself who are
very interested in this type of thing and who have the needed technical skills to pull off at
least part of it.

-- mav

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Re: Isn't it getting to be time...

Ray Saintonge
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Daniel Mayer wrote:

>--- Anthere <[hidden email]> wrote:
>  
>
>>I asked Michael if we could get a financial report to evaluate the
>>situation. Financial statements for the year are roughly done, but for a
>>part about Wikimania still not fixed. I suppose Mav should soon give us
>>more feedback I expect. We have approximately 530 000 dollars in cash,
>>which is roughly what it was at the end of February.
>>    
>>
>You have a report from me that lists per quarter spending and income for all of 2004, 2005 and the
>first quarter of this year. The only thing missing are Wikimania expenses for 2005 (Michael is
>working on incorporating that into the regular finances, last I heard) and a current liquid asset
>report (Micheal is much better situated to prepare that as well).
>
I haven't had much occasion to look for it recently, but I have been
habving a hard time finding proper frinancial statements for the last
completed fiscal year.  I did find
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Finance_report and that seems to
include expenses for the first two quarters of 2005.  I understand that
this is the last quarter of the fiscal year.  I would expect that proper
financial statements for the 2004-5 fiscal year end should be available
somewhere.  This should include a Statement of Income and Expenses and a
Balance Sheet.  Wikimania 2005 expenses should have no bearing on this
since that took place after the fiscal year end.  Perhaps I am looking
in the wrong place, and I just need a proper link to the statement.

The above noted interim report did show a depreciation expense, but gave
no information about how that amount was calculated.  Remember that
depreciation calculations are not just a matter of tax deductions, but
give an idea of the extent to which an organization has planned for
hardware wearing out or becoming obsolete.

>>In terms of getting funds, we try to get more organised to collect funds
>>from those using our content or setting up search systems on our db.
>>Danny also made a pretty active search of sponsors for Wikimania. I also
>>tried to strongly suggest donating to a couple of organisations through
>>the special project committee, but with no success as of today :-(
>>    
>>
>Getting funds in that way is great, but almost all of that kind of money will be program-specific
>(money that can only be used for, for example, to print textbooks in Africa or, as you mention, to
>help pay for a conference). So I suspect that most operating expenses (servers, bandwidth and
>staffing) will continue to require donations from readers.
>
Targetted donations can be a problem  for any non-profit organization,
and some refuse such strings completely.  They should probably appear on
the balance sheet as some kind of contingent liability.

>>In terms of expenses, we definitely have Wikimania coming.
>>    
>>
>I have yet to see a budget for Wikimania, so how are we planning that? One must know how much
>something will cost before trying to figure out if we have enough money for it. :)
>
Absolutely true enough.  Mav, I  believe that you have been working hard
and honestly in your post as Chief Financial Officer, but I sometimes
wonder if you are being provided with all the information you need.  As
I understand the position in its usual definition, you should have full
access on demand to _all_ financial records such as cancelled checks,
deposit records, invoices and contracts with monetary implications.  
Without that access your title is a misnomer.

>>Two techco meetings took place two weeks ago and a couple of days ago,
>>so I suppose we can expect new order pretty soon :-)
>>    
>>
>IIRC, there was some talk after the last multi-hour outage to start building a second large fully
>Wikimedia-owned and controlled server farm and have it in a geographically different place than
>the current server farm (maybe near Brion in the LA area). The idea being, that if one server farm
>goes down, that the other could take over with minimal disruption to at least reading of pages. If
>that is the case, then we have some fairly serious server expenses coming up.
>
That kind of back up facility has always been desirable, though I
wouldn't go so far as to agree that LA would be the best place for it.  
I don't think that there is any need to build it all up at once, but a
site can be chosen that starts as a more limited server which can be
built up over an extended period of time.

>>There are some pretty advanced discussions to hire staff as well. CEO,
>>legal in-house counsel as well as more assistants to help with OTRS and
>>phone answering.
>>    
>>
>Nod. But, IMO, we should seriously consider a better place for the Wikimedia main office before
>hiring lots of people. St Pete is fine as a tourist destination and maybe even as a satellite
>office of the foundation given that two board members and Danny live there, but the host city of
>the main office of an international organization? Sorry, but no.
>
>Washington D.C. or NYC are places where almost every nation of world sends their ambassadors and
>where a multitude of other international organizations, which we really should be working closely
>with, are based. Talent pool is another consideration; many more people with the relevant
>experience we need already live in those cities.
>
That's a strange view.  One of the big advantages of an online
organization is that it can be headquartered anywhere.  As an average
online user, when I connect I just want a good connection to wherever in
the world it is.  I can recognize the prestige argument for the location
of a headquarters, but is it cost effective.  Are the representatives of
the African nations in NYC really the people that you want to deal with
when you are trying to build an African project.  If we want to have an
impact on the people in those countries we would do better to have
people in place on the ground, rather.  If you want to appreciate the
kinds of problems listen to Stephen Lewis' "Race Against Time". The
first of this series of lectures is available through
http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/massey.html  Let's not assume that our goals
will be served by cozying up to those who are a part of the problem if
not their cause.

I don't subscribe to the idea that a talent pool is somehow concentrated
in the New York and Washington rat race.  Wikipedia is a synthesis of
talents from around the world; we could find the talent pool that we
need anywhere in the world.  To the extent that these positions need to
be filled by Americans, why should they be unwilling to move to the
Sunshine State which has the additional benefit of not having a state
personal income tax.

>>So, I'd say we would definitely benefit from a fundraising. It is not
>>*urgent* but we need to anticipate before it becomes urgent.
>>    
>>
>I told the board before that I will not run another fundraiser without the help from a duly
>created fundraising committee. Nobody from the board has proposed the creation of such a committee
>yet and I won't waste my time (as I did with trying to help staff the finance committee) until the
>board acts.
>
>We also really should pass a budget for the rest of the year before we have a fundraiser. I'm
>going to send the spending forecast you aleady have to the officers and committees this weekend.
>Hopefully, it won't take long to turn that into a proposed budget for the board to vote one.
>
Congratulations for taking a stand.

Ec

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Re: Isn't it getting to be time... (correction)

Florence Devouard-3
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Delphine Ménard wrote:

> On 5/25/06, Anthere <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>>Donations through PayPal are roughly between 25 to 35 000 dollars per
>>week. It might be interesting to generalize the idea of putting the
>>permanent donation link at the top of pages.
>
>
> Errrr, per week? If it's per week, we can go and sleep a little more
> soundly. If I remember weel, it is per month rather.

Gaaaaa.

Michael sent the exact numbers

Donations
J : 372,317.44
F : 38,430.26
M : 34,106.87
A : 40,790.72

May is higher because we got a special donation (<small><small> you
know, the 70 000 one </small></small>)

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Re: Isn't it getting to be time...

Florence Devouard-3
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Daniel Mayer wrote:
> --- Anthere <[hidden email]> wrote:

>>So, I'd say we would definitely benefit from a fundraising. It is not
>>*urgent* but we need to anticipate before it becomes urgent.
>
>
> I told the board before that I will not run another fundraiser without the help from a duly
> created fundraising committee. Nobody from the board has proposed the creation of such a committee
> yet and I won't waste my time (as I did with trying to help staff the finance committee) until the
> board acts.

Now, now...shhhh

Right, we never succeeded to create a decent financial committee.
This said, I am not convinced the fundraising should be part of the
financial committee (it involves as well technical needs, communication
issues etc...) and I would suggest that we should not get stuck on such
bureaucratic details.

Let's simply create a fundraising committee. If some one wants to
dissolve it later, or attached it to another already existing
committee... fine.

Can you draft for us a resolution with
* the creation of a fundraising committee
* description of the goal
* a team
* a delegation for this fundraising

I'll post it on the board wiki and we'll see if the board acts (votes...)

(make it several resolutions if you feel necessary)


> We also really should pass a budget for the rest of the year before we have a fundraiser. I'm
> going to send the spending forecast you aleady have to the officers and committees this weekend.
> Hopefully, it won't take long to turn that into a proposed budget for the board to vote one.
>
> -- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
>
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Re: Isn't it getting to be time...

Michael Davis-4
Fundraising is far more a public relations/communications function than
finance or tech.  All finance needs to do is say how much money we need;
tech can assist in the implementation but the success or failure of a
fundraiser depends on how effective we are communicating with the
donors.  I'd recommend fundraising be a function of the communications
committee with significant help from other group within the foundation.

Michael

Anthere wrote:

> Daniel Mayer wrote:
>  
>> --- Anthere <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>    
>
>  
>>> So, I'd say we would definitely benefit from a fundraising. It is not
>>> *urgent* but we need to anticipate before it becomes urgent.
>>>      
>> I told the board before that I will not run another fundraiser without the help from a duly
>> created fundraising committee. Nobody from the board has proposed the creation of such a committee
>> yet and I won't waste my time (as I did with trying to help staff the finance committee) until the
>> board acts.
>>    
>
> Now, now...shhhh
>
> Right, we never succeeded to create a decent financial committee.
> This said, I am not convinced the fundraising should be part of the
> financial committee (it involves as well technical needs, communication
> issues etc...) and I would suggest that we should not get stuck on such
> bureaucratic details.
>
> Let's simply create a fundraising committee. If some one wants to
> dissolve it later, or attached it to another already existing
> committee... fine.
>
> Can you draft for us a resolution with
> * the creation of a fundraising committee
> * description of the goal
> * a team
> * a delegation for this fundraising
>
> I'll post it on the board wiki and we'll see if the board acts (votes...)
>
> (make it several resolutions if you feel necessary)
>
>
>  
>> We also really should pass a budget for the rest of the year before we have a fundraiser. I'm
>> going to send the spending forecast you aleady have to the officers and committees this weekend.
>> Hopefully, it won't take long to turn that into a proposed budget for the board to vote one.
>>
>> -- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
>>
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Re: Isn't it getting to be time...

Florence Devouard-3
Nod, a good option as well.

... only point... Mav is not a member of the comcom. Is that a problem ?

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Michael Davis wrote:

> Fundraising is far more a public relations/communications function than
> finance or tech.  All finance needs to do is say how much money we need;
> tech can assist in the implementation but the success or failure of a
> fundraiser depends on how effective we are communicating with the
> donors.  I'd recommend fundraising be a function of the communications
> committee with significant help from other group within the foundation.
>
> Michael
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> Anthere wrote:
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>>Daniel Mayer wrote:
>>  
>>
>>>--- Anthere <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>    
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>>  
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>>>>So, I'd say we would definitely benefit from a fundraising. It is not
>>>>*urgent* but we need to anticipate before it becomes urgent.
>>>>      
>>>
>>>I told the board before that I will not run another fundraiser without the help from a duly
>>>created fundraising committee. Nobody from the board has proposed the creation of such a committee
>>>yet and I won't waste my time (as I did with trying to help staff the finance committee) until the
>>>board acts.
>>>    
>>
>>Now, now...shhhh
>>
>>Right, we never succeeded to create a decent financial committee.
>>This said, I am not convinced the fundraising should be part of the
>>financial committee (it involves as well technical needs, communication
>>issues etc...) and I would suggest that we should not get stuck on such
>>bureaucratic details.
>>
>>Let's simply create a fundraising committee. If some one wants to
>>dissolve it later, or attached it to another already existing
>>committee... fine.
>>
>>Can you draft for us a resolution with
>>* the creation of a fundraising committee
>>* description of the goal
>>* a team
>>* a delegation for this fundraising
>>
>>I'll post it on the board wiki and we'll see if the board acts (votes...)
>>
>>(make it several resolutions if you feel necessary)
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>We also really should pass a budget for the rest of the year before we have a fundraiser. I'm
>>>going to send the spending forecast you aleady have to the officers and committees this weekend.
>>>Hopefully, it won't take long to turn that into a proposed budget for the board to vote one.
>>>
>>>-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
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Re: Isn't it getting to be time...

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Anthere wrote:
> Nod, a good option as well.
>
> ... only point... Mav is not a member of the comcom. Is that a problem ?

I think he would be a welcome addition, if he is willing.

--Jimbo

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Re: Isn't it getting to be time...

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--- Michael Davis <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Fundraising is far more a public relations/communications function than
> finance or tech.  All finance needs to do is say how much money we need;
> tech can assist in the implementation but the success or failure of a
> fundraiser depends on how effective we are communicating with the
> donors.  I'd recommend fundraising be a function of the communications
> committee with significant help from other group within the foundation.

I disagree. Fundraising requires a combination of tech, communication, and finance functions. It
does not really fit in any one role.

-- mav

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Re: Isn't it getting to be time...

Daniel Mayer
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--- Anthere <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Nod, a good option as well.
>
> ... only point... Mav is not a member of the comcom. Is that a problem ?

I object for this reason: A great many people who would help with fundraising have little to no
concern about the other functions the communication committee does. The only role I see the comcom
playing in fundraising is creating a press release to announce the start and another press release
to announce the end.

What communication goes on in-between has more to do with financial reporting (daily reports,
which requires access to our financial records ; not something the comcom is set-up for). Comcom
should play a role, but so should finance and tech. My point is that no one pre-thought of
committee is a good fit to handle fundraising. Thus the need for a separate body.

--mav

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Re: Isn't it getting to be time...

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--- Anthere <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Let's simply create a fundraising committee. If some one wants to
> dissolve it later, or attached it to another already existing
> committee... fine.

That is exactly what I want. You convinced me months ago that fundraising is not really a good fit
under finance, communications, or tech. IMO, it really should be its own thing, since it requires
a bit of all three.
 
> Can you draft for us a resolution with
> * the creation of a fund raising committee
> * description of the goal
> * a team
> * a delegation for this fundraising
>
> I'll post it on the board wiki and we'll see if the board acts (votes...)

Deal. :)

-- mav

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