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Larry Sanger's new project

David Gerard-2
A commercial enterprise "a bit like a wiki or a blog" that's "a way to
crowdsource *high-quality* information".

http://columbus.craigslist.org/eng/3614099241.html


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Re: Larry Sanger's new project

Magnus Manske-2
"co-founder of Wikipedia and many others". Indeed.


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:51 PM, David Gerard <[hidden email]> wrote:

> A commercial enterprise "a bit like a wiki or a blog" that's "a way to
> crowdsource *high-quality* information".
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> http://columbus.craigslist.org/eng/3614099241.html
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Re: Larry Sanger's new project

David Gerard-2
On 14 February 2013 14:20, Magnus Manske <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:51 PM, David Gerard <[hidden email]> wrote:

>> A commercial enterprise "a bit like a wiki or a blog" that's "a way to
>> crowdsource *high-quality* information".
>> http://columbus.craigslist.org/eng/3614099241.html

> "co-founder of Wikipedia and many others". Indeed.


Yes, his track record of success is singular.


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Re: Larry Sanger's new project

Nathan Awrich
That job ad is so awesome I had to save it for posterity. Work as a
programmer slash executive assistant, for free! Be available 24 hours a day
at a moments notice! Weekends off? Forget it! Mediocre candidates need not
apply! Work for the *gasp* co-founder of Wikipedia! Solid, solid gold.
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Re: Larry Sanger's new project

David Gerard-2
On 14 February 2013 15:15, Nathan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> That job ad is so awesome I had to save it for posterity. Work as a
> programmer slash executive assistant, for free! Be available 24 hours a day
> at a moments notice! Weekends off? Forget it! Mediocre candidates need not
> apply! Work for the *gasp* co-founder of Wikipedia! Solid, solid gold.


I think you're being unduly harsh here. His track record speaks for itself.


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Re: Larry Sanger's new project

Fred Bauder-2
> On 14 February 2013 15:15, Nathan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> That job ad is so awesome I had to save it for posterity. Work as a
>> programmer slash executive assistant, for free! Be available 24 hours a
>> day
>> at a moments notice! Weekends off? Forget it! Mediocre candidates need
>> not
>> apply! Work for the *gasp* co-founder of Wikipedia! Solid, solid gold.
>
>
> I think you're being unduly harsh here. His track record speaks for
> itself.
>
>
> - d.

He's not wrong; if it is possible to effectively mobilize the world's
best experts in a major widely supported crowd sourcing project it could
be awesome. Any Wikipedia editor knows from experience that from time to
time you end up arguing with idiots and losing the argument by consensus.

Fred


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Re: Larry Sanger's new project

Thomas Dalton
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"I am rarely as enthusiastic about my ideas as I am about this
one--it's a corker."

I've never known him not be extremely enthusiatic about his ideas...

"If you need to see the project before agreeing to work, and I like
you, it's no problem for me to share access to the site if you sign
the NDA/non-compete."

Is that standard? Signing a non-compete before finding out what the
project is sounds risky - you have no idea what you're agreeing not to
compete with...

On 14 February 2013 13:51, David Gerard <[hidden email]> wrote:

> A commercial enterprise "a bit like a wiki or a blog" that's "a way to
> crowdsource *high-quality* information".
>
> http://columbus.craigslist.org/eng/3614099241.html
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Re: Larry Sanger's new project

David Gerard-2
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On 14 February 2013 15:15, Nathan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> That job ad is so awesome I had to save it for posterity. Work as a
> programmer slash executive assistant, for free! Be available 24 hours a day
> at a moments notice! Weekends off? Forget it! Mediocre candidates need not
> apply! Work for the *gasp* co-founder of Wikipedia! Solid, solid gold.


http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/File:Capture_0e1fc921fd43d5424ccfe36c4554a06308c1cde3.png

(RW has a Capturebot for this sort of thing.)


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Re: Larry Sanger's new project

Nicholas Moreau
It's interesting: his official website links to a Facebook fan page for
Sanger... automatically generated, containing his Wikipedia profile.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Larry-Sanger/107978809222387

Nick
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Re: Larry Sanger's new project

David Gerard-2
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On 14 February 2013 15:49, Fred Bauder <[hidden email]> wrote:

> He's not wrong; if it is possible to effectively mobilize the world's
> best experts in a major widely supported crowd sourcing project it could
> be awesome. Any Wikipedia editor knows from experience that from time to
> time you end up arguing with idiots and losing the argument by consensus.


The trouble is that Larry will be running it. The arc of Citizendium,
from launch sideways into the ground, was marked by Larry recruiting
lots of high-powered academics then driving them away within a few
months. (At which point the pseudoscientists and cranks moved in, and
a bit after that the featured article was a puff piece on homeopathy.)
He is demonstrably really, really terrible at community management.


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Re: Larry Sanger's new project

Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
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On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:39 PM, David Gerard <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 14 February 2013 15:15, Nathan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> That job ad is so awesome I had to save it for posterity. Work as a
>> programmer slash executive assistant, for free! Be available 24 hours a day
>> at a moments notice! Weekends off? Forget it! Mediocre candidates need not
>> apply! Work for the *gasp* co-founder of Wikipedia! Solid, solid gold.
>
>
> I think you're being unduly harsh here. His track record speaks for itself.
>
>
> - d.
>

Sounds like he want's to build a megaproject in a huge go, no evolutionary
steps at all, and then see if anyone likes the behemoth of a constructed
reality straight-jacket.



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Re: Larry Sanger's new project

David Gerard-2
On 21 February 2013 11:34, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Sounds like he want's to build a megaproject in a huge go, no evolutionary
> steps at all, and then see if anyone likes the behemoth of a constructed
> reality straight-jacket.


Well, it worked for Citizendium. (Completely planned out about a year
in advance, from the Slashdot editorial.)


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Re: Larry Sanger's new project

David Goodman-2
The plan for Citizendium worked? First time that's ever been asserted.
 It worked in the sense a plan was  developed, but the plan was indeed
a "behemoth" and a "straight-jacket", and was a key reason why the
project was so unsuccessful.  Among the many things the plan failed to
consider, which would have been fore-front in any plan evolved by a
community,  was the need to make sure the people named as the editors
actually were authorities in their subject.  I was there from the
start of the project: I was one of the first "expert" editors, I was
one of the members of the first editorial board,  The basic idea was
wonderful as a supplement to WP, but its failure has made it almost
impossible to try properly for a version of WP with expert peer-review
of the content.

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:14 AM, David Gerard <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 21 February 2013 11:34, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like he want's to build a megaproject in a huge go, no evolutionary
>> steps at all, and then see if anyone likes the behemoth of a constructed
>> reality straight-jacket.
>
>
> Well, it worked for Citizendium. (Completely planned out about a year
> in advance, from the Slashdot editorial.)
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Re: Larry Sanger's new project

Thomas Dalton
On 21 February 2013 18:08, David Goodman <[hidden email]> wrote:
> The plan for Citizendium worked? First time that's ever been asserted.

I think David may have been being sarcastic...

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Re: Larry Sanger's new project

Fred Bauder-2
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More a failure of nerve; when he did not attract experts in the field he
gave authority to 2nd rate people. Present company excepted, of course.

Fred

> The plan for Citizendium worked? First time that's ever been asserted.
>  It worked in the sense a plan was  developed, but the plan was indeed
> a "behemoth" and a "straight-jacket", and was a key reason why the
> project was so unsuccessful.  Among the many things the plan failed to
> consider, which would have been fore-front in any plan evolved by a
> community,  was the need to make sure the people named as the editors
> actually were authorities in their subject.  I was there from the
> start of the project: I was one of the first "expert" editors, I was
> one of the members of the first editorial board,  The basic idea was
> wonderful as a supplement to WP, but its failure has made it almost
> impossible to try properly for a version of WP with expert peer-review
> of the content.
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:14 AM, David Gerard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On 21 February 2013 11:34, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like he want's to build a megaproject in a huge go, no
>>> evolutionary
>>> steps at all, and then see if anyone likes the behemoth of a
>>> constructed
>>> reality straight-jacket.
>>
>>
>> Well, it worked for Citizendium. (Completely planned out about a year
>> in advance, from the Slashdot editorial.)
>>
>>
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Re: Larry Sanger's new project

David Gerard-2
On 21 February 2013 19:00, Fred Bauder <[hidden email]> wrote:

> More a failure of nerve; when he did not attract experts in the field he
> gave authority to 2nd rate people. Present company excepted, of course.


He attracted academics, then he and the constables drove them away.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Citizendium summarises the decline and
fall. Some Citizens have claimed it is inaccurate, but failed to
respond when asked to detail the inaccuracies; any corrections are of
course welcomed.


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Re: Larry Sanger's new project

David Gerard-2
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On 14 February 2013 13:51, David Gerard <[hidden email]> wrote:

> A commercial enterprise "a bit like a wiki or a blog" that's "a way to
> crowdsource *high-quality* information".
> http://columbus.craigslist.org/eng/3614099241.html


Splash page up now:

http://infobitt.com/


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Re: Larry Sanger's new project

Anthony-73
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:01 PM, David Gerard <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 14 February 2013 13:51, David Gerard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> A commercial enterprise "a bit like a wiki or a blog" that's "a way to
>> crowdsource *high-quality* information".
>> http://columbus.craigslist.org/eng/3614099241.html
>
>
> Splash page up now:
>
> http://infobitt.com/

Like most descriptions of projects that give no details as to actual
implementation, so you fill in the blanks with your own wildest
dreams, it sounds awesome.  :)

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Re: Larry Sanger's new project

Thomas Dalton
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On 13 March 2013 17:01, David Gerard <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 14 February 2013 13:51, David Gerard <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> A commercial enterprise "a bit like a wiki or a blog" that's "a way to
>> crowdsource *high-quality* information".
>> http://columbus.craigslist.org/eng/3614099241.html
>
>
> Splash page up now:
>
> http://infobitt.com/

"What if we could come together in a huge way and actually produce
something of really high quality? Wouldn't that be great?"

Yes, it is great...

The problem he apparently trying to solve is that sites like Wikipedia
and YouTube are "kind of noisy". As problem statements go, it lacks a
certain specificity...

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Re: Larry Sanger's new project

Fred Bauder-2

>
> The problem he apparently trying to solve is that sites like Wikipedia
> and YouTube are "kind of noisy". As problem statements go, it lacks a
> certain specificity...

I know what he means though. The snarling nonsense we sometimes encounter
on mailing lists or during editing disputes could fairly be characterized
as "noise". The question is whether this project will be any better.

Fred



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