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New language request

Bernardo Matias

Hello,
I am sending this email to request the creation of Wikipedia Portuguese from Portugal language. The existing Portuguese language Wikipedia is dominated by Brazilian variant of Portuguese language, and dominated by Brazilian users. So I request a Portuguese-Portugal Wikipedia in order to separate the two variants of Portuguese language, very different one from other, and seen as a patriotic question by Portuguese people.

With the best regards,Bernardo        
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Re: New language request

Thomas Dalton
This mailing list is not the right place for this discussion. I suggest you
start a discussion on the Portuguese Wikipedia.
On Aug 10, 2012 6:13 PM, "Bernardo Matias" <[hidden email]>
wrote:

>
> Hello,
> I am sending this email to request the creation of Wikipedia Portuguese
> from Portugal language. The existing Portuguese language Wikipedia is
> dominated by Brazilian variant of Portuguese language, and dominated by
> Brazilian users. So I request a Portuguese-Portugal Wikipedia in order to
> separate the two variants of Portuguese language, very different one from
> other, and seen as a patriotic question by Portuguese people.
>
> With the best regards,Bernardo
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Re: New language request

Bob the Wikipedian
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Hi, Bernardo. The English Wikipedia has a similar divide with British
and American English. I'm not familiar with the two flavors of
Portuguese, but the two flavors of English are close enough that we can
usually read one another's writing effectively, give or take some
spelling differences and various words that mean something entirely
different overseas. My understanding is that Canadian English is also
different, though I'm not sure I've ever encountered it.

The solution has been as this:

*Each article should be written using whichever version of English is
most appropriate for the topic. If it's about something more relevant to
Americans, we use American English. If it's more relevant to Europeans,
we use British English. Disputes still occur, but it's infrequent enough
with this highly effective system that it's not worth setting up a
second wiki.

Redundancy just makes things harder to improve and nearly always results
in one wiki being better or more comprehensive than the other, rendering
the second one virtually useless.

Good luck with resolving the matter,
Bob the Wikipedian


On 8/10/2012 12:12 PM, Bernardo Matias wrote:
> Hello,
> I am sending this email to request the creation of Wikipedia Portuguese from Portugal language. The existing Portuguese language Wikipedia is dominated by Brazilian variant of Portuguese language, and dominated by Brazilian users. So I request a Portuguese-Portugal Wikipedia in order to separate the two variants of Portuguese language, very different one from other, and seen as a patriotic question by Portuguese people.
>
> With the best regards,Bernardo      
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Re: New language request

Jimmy Wales-3
It's worth noting that the governments of Brazil and Portugal have made
a commitment to keep the language unified.  This is a very old debate
within Portuguese Wikipedia, naturally, since (I am told
reliably) the variants are further apart than American and British English.

A closer parallel might be American/British versus Indian English, which
can be quite different at times.

In Indian English newspapers it is completely normal to see the words
'lakh' and 'crore' even though most American or British English speakers
will have no idea what they mean.

Whenever we find these words in Wikipedia (usually with reference to how
much money some Bollywood film took in!) I think we should leave
them there but add more standard equivalents.  This helps people who are
interested in Bollywood films or India more generally to learn, but
keeps people from getting lost as well.

I would recommend philosophically similar strategies in Portuguese - try
to bridge the language gaps by explaining things in two ways rather
than insisting on there being "one right way".


--Jimbo

On 8/10/12 6:58 PM, Bob the Wikipedian wrote:

>
>
> Hi, Bernardo. The English Wikipedia has a similar divide with British
>  and American English. I'm not familiar with the two flavors of
> Portuguese, but the two flavors of English are close enough that we
> can usually read one another's writing effectively, give or take some
>  spelling differences and various words that mean something entirely
>  different overseas. My understanding is that Canadian English is
> also different, though I'm not sure I've ever encountered it.
>
> The solution has been as this:
>
> *Each article should be written using whichever version of English is
>  most appropriate for the topic. If it's about something more
> relevant to Americans, we use American English. If it's more relevant
> to Europeans, we use British English. Disputes still occur, but it's
>  infrequent enough with this highly effective system that it's not
> worth setting up a second wiki.
>
> Redundancy just makes things harder to improve and nearly always
> results in one wiki being better or more comprehensive than the
> other, rendering the second one virtually useless.
>
> Good luck with resolving the matter, Bob the Wikipedian
>
>
> On 8/10/2012 12:12 PM, Bernardo Matias wrote:
>> Hello, I am sending this email to request the creation of Wikipedia
>>  Portuguese from Portugal language. The existing Portuguese
>> language Wikipedia is dominated by Brazilian variant of Portuguese
>> language, and dominated by Brazilian users. So I request a
>> Portuguese-Portugal Wikipedia in order to separate the two variants
>> of Portuguese language, very different one from other, and seen as
>> a patriotic question by Portuguese people.
>>
>> With the best regards,Bernardo
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Re: New language request

Kim Bruning
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On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 06:12:15PM +0100, Bernardo Matias wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I am sending this email to request the creation of Wikipedia Portuguese from Portugal language.


Might be a good idea to review these two pages:

Who to talk to:
        http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee

tracking page:
        http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages


sincerely,
        Kim Bruning

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