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Jon Harald Søby-3
Hello everybody,

The folks in the i18n team has made a great new tool for us to use, which is live on Meta right now: [[Special:TranslatorSignup]]. What it does is that it lets you be notified when there are new pages for translations. You sign up on that page, specifying what languages you are willing to translate into, how you would like to be notified (e-mail, Meta talk page or talk page on another wiki), and how often you would like to be notified. This will make it much easier to target people by language, so when we have something that only needs to be translated into, say, Romanian, only people who speak Romanian will get the notification about that.

The thing we need for it now is to populate the database with translators, so please sign up and help us test it! (Feedback is, as always, very welcome.)

This also brings me to the next part – I have put up two "new" appeals for translations for the next fundraiser. They are not actually new, as they were both used in the previous fundraiser, but were put up a bit late, so they weren't very widely translated.
The appeals are:
  • GorillaWarfare's appeal – this was the most widely translated one of the two, so it may already be done in your language. But if it is, it doesn't harm to proofread it once or twice. :-)
  • Sengai's appeal – this one was only requested for Indian languages last time, so it doesn't have very many translations. Now it is being requested for all languages though, so your help with this is much appreciated.
Another new tool we have is the ability to group translatable pages together, just like the message groups in Translatewiki. So you can now see all fundraiser-related translations by going here. You can see an overview of all translation requests at [[Special:Translate]] or at [[Translation requests]].


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Re: New system for notifying translators, and two new requests

Benjamin Chen-2
Great!
Just one tiny bit of suggestion - after you submit, there is no indication that the submission is successful and the page remains unchanged. A bit unfriendly there. Who should I tell about this? Thanks!
Best regards,
[[User:Bencmq]] / Benjamin Chen



On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Jon Harald Søby <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello everybody,

The folks in the i18n team has made a great new tool for us to use, which is live on Meta right now: [[Special:TranslatorSignup]]. What it does is that it lets you be notified when there are new pages for translations. You sign up on that page, specifying what languages you are willing to translate into, how you would like to be notified (e-mail, Meta talk page or talk page on another wiki), and how often you would like to be notified. This will make it much easier to target people by language, so when we have something that only needs to be translated into, say, Romanian, only people who speak Romanian will get the notification about that.

The thing we need for it now is to populate the database with translators, so please sign up and help us test it! (Feedback is, as always, very welcome.)

This also brings me to the next part – I have put up two "new" appeals for translations for the next fundraiser. They are not actually new, as they were both used in the previous fundraiser, but were put up a bit late, so they weren't very widely translated.
The appeals are:
  • GorillaWarfare's appeal – this was the most widely translated one of the two, so it may already be done in your language. But if it is, it doesn't harm to proofread it once or twice. :-)
  • Sengai's appeal – this one was only requested for Indian languages last time, so it doesn't have very many translations. Now it is being requested for all languages though, so your help with this is much appreciated.
Another new tool we have is the ability to group translatable pages together, just like the message groups in Translatewiki. So you can now see all fundraiser-related translations by going here. You can see an overview of all translation requests at [[Special:Translate]] or at [[Translation requests]].


For now, live long and prosper. \V/

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Re: New system for notifying translators, and two new requests

Jon Harald Søby-3
Thanks, that is a good point! I have posted it as Bug 36959 [1].

[1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36959

2012/5/18 Benjamin Chen <[hidden email]>
Great!
Just one tiny bit of suggestion - after you submit, there is no indication that the submission is successful and the page remains unchanged. A bit unfriendly there. Who should I tell about this? Thanks!
Best regards,
[[User:Bencmq]] / Benjamin Chen



On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Jon Harald Søby <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello everybody,

The folks in the i18n team has made a great new tool for us to use, which is live on Meta right now: [[Special:TranslatorSignup]]. What it does is that it lets you be notified when there are new pages for translations. You sign up on that page, specifying what languages you are willing to translate into, how you would like to be notified (e-mail, Meta talk page or talk page on another wiki), and how often you would like to be notified. This will make it much easier to target people by language, so when we have something that only needs to be translated into, say, Romanian, only people who speak Romanian will get the notification about that.

The thing we need for it now is to populate the database with translators, so please sign up and help us test it! (Feedback is, as always, very welcome.)

This also brings me to the next part – I have put up two "new" appeals for translations for the next fundraiser. They are not actually new, as they were both used in the previous fundraiser, but were put up a bit late, so they weren't very widely translated.
The appeals are:
  • GorillaWarfare's appeal – this was the most widely translated one of the two, so it may already be done in your language. But if it is, it doesn't harm to proofread it once or twice. :-)
  • Sengai's appeal – this one was only requested for Indian languages last time, so it doesn't have very many translations. Now it is being requested for all languages though, so your help with this is much appreciated.
Another new tool we have is the ability to group translatable pages together, just like the message groups in Translatewiki. So you can now see all fundraiser-related translations by going here. You can see an overview of all translation requests at [[Special:Translate]] or at [[Translation requests]].


For now, live long and prosper. \V/

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Re: New system for notifying translators, and two new requests

Bojan Jankuloski-2
Hello guys. I translated into Macedonian (mk) the updated updated Terms of use long ago, but it does not show it on Foundation Wiki when you click on the banner that displays the notice (the banner itself does show in the correct language, though). What is the problem there? This has been the case for at least a couple of weeks now.

On 19 May 2012 04:29, Jon Harald Søby <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks, that is a good point! I have posted it as Bug 36959 [1].

[1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36959


2012/5/18 Benjamin Chen <[hidden email]>
Great!
Just one tiny bit of suggestion - after you submit, there is no indication that the submission is successful and the page remains unchanged. A bit unfriendly there. Who should I tell about this? Thanks!
Best regards,
[[User:Bencmq]] / Benjamin Chen



On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Jon Harald Søby <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello everybody,

The folks in the i18n team has made a great new tool for us to use, which is live on Meta right now: [[Special:TranslatorSignup]]. What it does is that it lets you be notified when there are new pages for translations. You sign up on that page, specifying what languages you are willing to translate into, how you would like to be notified (e-mail, Meta talk page or talk page on another wiki), and how often you would like to be notified. This will make it much easier to target people by language, so when we have something that only needs to be translated into, say, Romanian, only people who speak Romanian will get the notification about that.

The thing we need for it now is to populate the database with translators, so please sign up and help us test it! (Feedback is, as always, very welcome.)

This also brings me to the next part – I have put up two "new" appeals for translations for the next fundraiser. They are not actually new, as they were both used in the previous fundraiser, but were put up a bit late, so they weren't very widely translated.
The appeals are:
  • GorillaWarfare's appeal – this was the most widely translated one of the two, so it may already be done in your language. But if it is, it doesn't harm to proofread it once or twice. :-)
  • Sengai's appeal – this one was only requested for Indian languages last time, so it doesn't have very many translations. Now it is being requested for all languages though, so your help with this is much appreciated.
Another new tool we have is the ability to group translatable pages together, just like the message groups in Translatewiki. So you can now see all fundraiser-related translations by going here. You can see an overview of all translation requests at [[Special:Translate]] or at [[Translation requests]].


For now, live long and prosper. \V/

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Re: New system for notifying translators, and two new requests

Philippe Beaudette-3
It looks like the status on that was set to published but it didn't actually get published.  I'm doing it now.
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On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Bojan Jankuloski <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello guys. I translated into Macedonian (mk) the updated updated Terms of use long ago, but it does not show it on Foundation Wiki when you click on the banner that displays the notice (the banner itself does show in the correct language, though). What is the problem there? This has been the case for at least a couple of weeks now.


On 19 May 2012 04:29, Jon Harald Søby <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks, that is a good point! I have posted it as Bug 36959 [1].

[1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36959


2012/5/18 Benjamin Chen <[hidden email]>
Great!
Just one tiny bit of suggestion - after you submit, there is no indication that the submission is successful and the page remains unchanged. A bit unfriendly there. Who should I tell about this? Thanks!
Best regards,
[[User:Bencmq]] / Benjamin Chen



On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Jon Harald Søby <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello everybody,

The folks in the i18n team has made a great new tool for us to use, which is live on Meta right now: [[Special:TranslatorSignup]]. What it does is that it lets you be notified when there are new pages for translations. You sign up on that page, specifying what languages you are willing to translate into, how you would like to be notified (e-mail, Meta talk page or talk page on another wiki), and how often you would like to be notified. This will make it much easier to target people by language, so when we have something that only needs to be translated into, say, Romanian, only people who speak Romanian will get the notification about that.

The thing we need for it now is to populate the database with translators, so please sign up and help us test it! (Feedback is, as always, very welcome.)

This also brings me to the next part – I have put up two "new" appeals for translations for the next fundraiser. They are not actually new, as they were both used in the previous fundraiser, but were put up a bit late, so they weren't very widely translated.
The appeals are:
  • GorillaWarfare's appeal – this was the most widely translated one of the two, so it may already be done in your language. But if it is, it doesn't harm to proofread it once or twice. :-)
  • Sengai's appeal – this one was only requested for Indian languages last time, so it doesn't have very many translations. Now it is being requested for all languages though, so your help with this is much appreciated.
Another new tool we have is the ability to group translatable pages together, just like the message groups in Translatewiki. So you can now see all fundraiser-related translations by going here. You can see an overview of all translation requests at [[Special:Translate]] or at [[Translation requests]].


For now, live long and prosper. \V/

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Re: New system for notifying translators, and two new requests

Bojan Jankuloski-2
Thanks a lot!
One other thing. The banner on mk.wiki leads to this page http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use%20(2012)/en?utm_source=TOU_top, i.e. has the 'en' rather than the 'mk' prefix. Is this something that will change automatically, once you've published the translation, or will it need changing somewhere manually?

Cheers

On 20 May 2012 16:28, Philippe Beaudette <[hidden email]> wrote:
It looks like the status on that was set to published but it didn't actually get published.  I'm doing it now.
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On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Bojan Jankuloski <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello guys. I translated into Macedonian (mk) the updated updated Terms of use long ago, but it does not show it on Foundation Wiki when you click on the banner that displays the notice (the banner itself does show in the correct language, though). What is the problem there? This has been the case for at least a couple of weeks now.


On 19 May 2012 04:29, Jon Harald Søby <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks, that is a good point! I have posted it as Bug 36959 [1].

[1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36959


2012/5/18 Benjamin Chen <[hidden email]>
Great!
Just one tiny bit of suggestion - after you submit, there is no indication that the submission is successful and the page remains unchanged. A bit unfriendly there. Who should I tell about this? Thanks!
Best regards,
[[User:Bencmq]] / Benjamin Chen



On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Jon Harald Søby <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello everybody,

The folks in the i18n team has made a great new tool for us to use, which is live on Meta right now: [[Special:TranslatorSignup]]. What it does is that it lets you be notified when there are new pages for translations. You sign up on that page, specifying what languages you are willing to translate into, how you would like to be notified (e-mail, Meta talk page or talk page on another wiki), and how often you would like to be notified. This will make it much easier to target people by language, so when we have something that only needs to be translated into, say, Romanian, only people who speak Romanian will get the notification about that.

The thing we need for it now is to populate the database with translators, so please sign up and help us test it! (Feedback is, as always, very welcome.)

This also brings me to the next part – I have put up two "new" appeals for translations for the next fundraiser. They are not actually new, as they were both used in the previous fundraiser, but were put up a bit late, so they weren't very widely translated.
The appeals are:
  • GorillaWarfare's appeal – this was the most widely translated one of the two, so it may already be done in your language. But if it is, it doesn't harm to proofread it once or twice. :-)
  • Sengai's appeal – this one was only requested for Indian languages last time, so it doesn't have very many translations. Now it is being requested for all languages though, so your help with this is much appreciated.
Another new tool we have is the ability to group translatable pages together, just like the message groups in Translatewiki. So you can now see all fundraiser-related translations by going here. You can see an overview of all translation requests at [[Special:Translate]] or at [[Translation requests]].


For now, live long and prosper. \V/

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Re: New system for notifying translators, and two new requests

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On 20 May 2012 07:24, Bojan Jankuloski <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks a lot!
One other thing. The banner on mk.wiki leads to this page http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use%20(2012)/en?utm_source=TOU_top, i.e. has the 'en' rather than the 'mk' prefix. Is this something that will change automatically, once you've published the translation, or will it need changing somewhere manually?

Cheers

Hi Bojan,

Thanks for reporting this, that was another change that needed to be made through the Central Notice on Meta-Wiki (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:NoticeTemplate/view?template=TOU_top&wpUserLanguage=mk), I've fixed that now so it should take you to the /mk sub-page. One of the issues that seems to be occurring is that some translators (perhaps the newer ones) are marking pages as published as I imagine they think that if they mark a page as published it will publish the page. I was discussing this with Niklas and Siebrand (the authors of the Translate extension), and am looking into possibly restricting who can mark a page as published, so that only Translation administrators (or Meta-Wiki admins?) will be able to mark the page as published, and when doing so they will be able to make sure that everything else is done - such as the correct link in the Central Notice.

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Re: New system for notifying translators, and two new requests

Bojan Jankuloski-2
Thanks for doing that. It works nicely now.

I agree with this. The 'published' option creates confusion and should be the sole preserve of those implementing the translations. Even I have been confused about it on occasions, because there are places (such as on Meta) where you can clearly see that the translation appears as soon as you've done it (even partially).
Of course, this is not the same as its implementation on other places, such as Foundation wiki, but newer translators who don't know all particulars can see that the translation has appeared on Meta and opt to set it as 'Published' - which it clearly is, locally - and be unaware that the "publish" refers to another place where it actually has not been published. To avoid all this, it is far wiser to have 'Ready' as the most advanced option available, and then the person implementing them can have a look and set them as published when they've been actually published in the required places.

Thanks for bringing up the issue. Much appreciated

On 20 May 2012 23:15, Thehelpfulone <[hidden email]> wrote:
On 20 May 2012 07:24, Bojan Jankuloski <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks a lot!
One other thing. The banner on mk.wiki leads to this page http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use%20(2012)/en?utm_source=TOU_top, i.e. has the 'en' rather than the 'mk' prefix. Is this something that will change automatically, once you've published the translation, or will it need changing somewhere manually?

Cheers

Hi Bojan,

Thanks for reporting this, that was another change that needed to be made through the Central Notice on Meta-Wiki (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:NoticeTemplate/view?template=TOU_top&wpUserLanguage=mk), I've fixed that now so it should take you to the /mk sub-page. One of the issues that seems to be occurring is that some translators (perhaps the newer ones) are marking pages as published as I imagine they think that if they mark a page as published it will publish the page. I was discussing this with Niklas and Siebrand (the authors of the Translate extension), and am looking into possibly restricting who can mark a page as published, so that only Translation administrators (or Meta-Wiki admins?) will be able to mark the page as published, and when doing so they will be able to make sure that everything else is done - such as the correct link in the Central Notice.

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