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One new and one old tool

Flominator
Hi there,

I just wanted to share two of tools with you:

* Flinfo fetches a complete picture description from Flickr by a given
picture ID like 151898652:
http://wikipedia.ramselehof.de/flinfo.php

* WikiBlame searches different versions of an article for one specific
string:
http://wikipedia.ramselehof.de/wikiblame.php

I just wanted to hear your opinions and to tell you, that I'm always open
for suggestions and translations of WikiBlame :))

Best regards,

Flo

PS: I know that fetching the license from flickr as well would be perfect
.... I'm working on it ....


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Re: One new and one old tool

Brianna Laugher
On 06/02/07, Florian Straub <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I just wanted to share two of tools with you:
>
> * Flinfo fetches a complete picture description from Flickr by a given
> picture ID like 151898652:
> http://wikipedia.ramselehof.de/flinfo.php

Flinfo is good because it grabs the image description, which
ImportFreeImages doesn't do, but it also grabs an appalling list of
categories:

[[Category:Jersey]]
[[Category:Jersey]]
[[Category:Stouen]]
[[Category:Jersey]]
[[Category:Stouen]]
[[Category:Milestone]]
[[Category:Jersey]]
[[Category:Stouen]]
[[Category:Milestone]]
[[Category:Hand]]
[[Category:Jersey]]
[[Category:Stouen]]
[[Category:Milestone]]
[[Category:Hand]]
[[Category:Pointing]]
[[Category:Jersey]]
[[Category:Stouen]]
[[Category:Milestone]]
[[Category:Hand]]
[[Category:Pointing]]
[[Category:Granite]]

(from 375290340... not sure what happened there...)

Simetrical, it's anyone's guess how long it will take ImportFreeImages
to be enabled... http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8854

cheers
Brianna
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Re: One new and one old tool

Alphax (Wikipedia email)
In reply to this post by Flominator
Florian Straub wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I just wanted to share two of tools with you:
>
> * Flinfo fetches a complete picture description from Flickr by a given
> picture ID like 151898652:
> http://wikipedia.ramselehof.de/flinfo.php
>
<snip>
>
> PS: I know that fetching the license from flickr as well would be perfect
> .... I'm working on it ....
>

There's some useful info on that in the Greasemonkey Flickr-verification
script:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Para/flickreview.user.js

May or may not be helpful in your situation.

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Re: One new and one old tool

Flominator
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"Brianna Laugher" <[hidden email]> wrote on Tuesday, February 06,
2007 3:11 AM:

> On 06/02/07, Florian Straub <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I just wanted to share two of tools with you:
>>
>> * Flinfo fetches a complete picture description from Flickr by a given
>> picture ID like 151898652:
>> http://wikipedia.ramselehof.de/flinfo.php
>
> Flinfo is good because it grabs the image description, which
> ImportFreeImages doesn't do, but it also grabs an appalling list of
> categories:
>

[mentioned list]

>
> (from 375290340... not sure what happened there...)

Seems I had a little double output there ....

I fixed it and added a small bonus to it, see for yourself :)

Regards,

Flo


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Re: One new and one old tool

Brianna Laugher
On 10/02/07, Florian Straub <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Seems I had a little double output there ....
>
> I fixed it and added a small bonus to it, see for yourself :)

OK, looks better.
I am surprised you can't get the Flickr user's name. Are you using the
Flickr API? I think it should be possible. Since both the licenses we
use are "BY" (attribution) I think getting the username is a good
idea.
Also, in the permission field I would either put 'see below', or put
'licensed under the Creative Commons [Attribution|Attribution
ShareAlike] license, version 2.0".

Also, in the case of trying to get the info for a non-free license, it
should probably refuse to produce any output, instead of 'NO FREE
LICENSE - DON'T UPLOAD TO COMMONS' (which is nice, but I hardly expect
people to read and follow such instructions :))

cheers,
Brianna

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Re: One new and one old tool

Flominator
"Brianna Laugher" <[hidden email]> wrote on Saturday, February
10, 2007 3:50 AM:

> On 10/02/07, Florian Straub <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Seems I had a little double output there ....
>>
>> I fixed it and added a small bonus to it, see for yourself :)
>
> OK, looks better.
> I am surprised you can't get the Flickr user's name. Are you using the
> Flickr API? I think it should be possible. Since both the licenses we
> use are "BY" (attribution) I think getting the username is a good
> idea.

I did and it always worked. Which picture did you try?


> Also, in the permission field I would either put 'see below', or put
> 'licensed under the Creative Commons [Attribution|Attribution
> ShareAlike] license, version 2.0".

Is that really necessary?


> Also, in the case of trying to get the info for a non-free license, it
> should probably refuse to produce any output, instead of 'NO FREE
> LICENSE - DON'T UPLOAD TO COMMONS' (which is nice, but I hardly expect
> people to read and follow such instructions :))

Good point ... I'll think about it.

Regards,

Flo


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Re: One new and one old tool

Brianna Laugher
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Hey,

Flinfo is planned to be used in a new version of Special:Upload:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload?uselang=fromflickr

(note: this is in addition to the standard form, not to replace it)

It would be useful if a few things were changed:
* possibility to input image url instead of image ID. (shouldn't be
that hard...)
* include the {{flickrreview}} template in the pastable output (I
thought it used to?)
* make translatable, since if other langs update their special:Upload
forms, they will want to link to a version in their language

that's it :)

thanks
Brianna
user:pfctdayelise



On 06/02/07, Florian Straub <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I just wanted to share two of tools with you:
>
> * Flinfo fetches a complete picture description from Flickr by a given
> picture ID like 151898652:
> http://wikipedia.ramselehof.de/flinfo.php

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Re: One new and one old tool

Flominator
"Brianna Laugher" <[hidden email]> wrote on Saturday, February
17, 2007 12:23 PM:

> On 06/02/07, Florian Straub <[hidden email]> wrote:

>> * Flinfo fetches a complete picture description from Flickr by a given
>> picture ID like 151898652:
>> http://wikipedia.ramselehof.de/flinfo.php
>


> Flinfo is planned to be used in a new version of Special:Upload:
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload?uselang=fromflickr

Great :)


It would be useful if a few things were changed:
> * possibility to input image url instead of image ID. (shouldn't be
> that hard...)

It could be difficult, since there are various kinds of image urls at
flickr, but I'll see what I can do.


> * include the {{flickrreview}} template in the pastable output (I
> thought it used to?)

For admins it already does :)


> * make translatable, since if other langs update their special:Upload
> forms, they will want to link to a version in their language

 What exactly should be translateable?

Best regards,

Flo


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Re: One new and one old tool

Brianna Laugher
On 18/02/07, Florian Straub <[hidden email]> wrote:
> It would be useful if a few things were changed:
> > * possibility to input image url instead of image ID. (shouldn't be
> > that hard...)
>
> It could be difficult, since there are various kinds of image urls at
> flickr, but I'll see what I can do.

well, it doesn't have to be perfect. The two obvious cases (the image
page, where comments and tags are, and the 'photo zoom' version which
has different sizes) should be relatively easy. for anything else, it
can always throw an error which explains how to find the image ID.

> > * include the {{flickrreview}} template in the pastable output (I
> > thought it used to?)
>
> For admins it already does :)

for everyone else, it should just put {{flickrreview}} though :P

> > * make translatable, since if other langs update their special:Upload
> > forms, they will want to link to a version in their language
>
>  What exactly should be translateable?

Subtitle ('the easy way to upload pics from Flickr'), field name
('ID:'), submit button text ('Get Flickr-Info'), link names ('Open
upload form', 'Download original size'), preview button text
('preview'), any error messages. You know, basically any piece of text
aside from the paste-able content.
I would also make the URL of the 'open upload form' link
translate-able. For EN it can be
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?uselang=fromflickr&title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=$1

If other languages implement these forms, they will be like
uselang=DEfromflickr
etc.

I would also create a page just for feedback and comments on the tool,
rather than only linking to your userpage. (And make it on commons or
meta, please. :P) And on the page you can give info about how people
can provide translations.
Probably Magnus or Duesentrieb can give more advice at this stage,
about making tools i18nable.

cheers
Brianna
user:pfctdayelise

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Re: One new and one old tool

Flominator
"Brianna Laugher" <[hidden email]> wrote on  Sunday, February 18,
2007 11:44 AM:

> On 18/02/07, Florian Straub <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> "Brianna Laugher" <[hidden email]> wrote

>> > It would be useful if a few things were changed:
>> > * possibility to input image url instead of image ID. (shouldn't be
>> > that hard...)
>>
>> It could be difficult, since there are various kinds of image urls at
>> flickr, but I'll see what I can do.

> well, it doesn't have to be perfect. The two obvious cases (the image
> page, where comments and tags are, and the 'photo zoom' version which
> has different sizes) should be relatively easy. for anything else, it
> can always throw an error which explains how to find the image ID.

still thinking ....


>> > * include the {{flickrreview}} template in the pastable output (I
>> > thought it used to?)

done


>> > * make translatable, since if other langs update their special:Upload
>> > forms, they will want to link to a version in their language
>>
>>  What exactly should be translateable?
>
> Subtitle ('the easy way to upload pics from Flickr'), field name
> ('ID:'), submit button text ('Get Flickr-Info'), link names ('Open
> upload form', 'Download original size'), preview button text
> ('preview'), any error messages. You know, basically any piece of text
> aside from the paste-able content.

done

> I would also make the URL of the 'open upload form' link
> translate-able. For EN it can be
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?uselang=fromflickr&title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=$1

done


> I would also create a page just for feedback and comments on the tool,
> rather than only linking to your userpage. (And make it on commons or
> meta, please. :P) And on the page you can give info about how people
> can provide translations.

done, please use it for all further comments about Flinfo
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Flominator/Flinfo 


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Re: One new and one old tool

Bryan Tong Minh
On 2/20/07, Florian Straub <[hidden email]> wrote:

> "Brianna Laugher" <[hidden email]> wrote on  Sunday, February 18,
> 2007 11:44 AM:
>
> > On 18/02/07, Florian Straub <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> "Brianna Laugher" <[hidden email]> wrote
>
> >> > It would be useful if a few things were changed:
> >> > * possibility to input image url instead of image ID. (shouldn't be
> >> > that hard...)
> >>
> >> It could be difficult, since there are various kinds of image urls at
> >> flickr, but I'll see what I can do.
>
> > well, it doesn't have to be perfect. The two obvious cases (the image
> > page, where comments and tags are, and the 'photo zoom' version which
> > has different sizes) should be relatively easy. for anything else, it
> > can always throw an error which explains how to find the image ID.
>
> still thinking ....
>
I have a set of regexes which I believe cover all available Flickr
urls. i will look them up when I am at home.

Bryan

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