People to approach to help?
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With http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK/People_interested_in_supporting_a_local_chapter, we have a long list of... well, it's self-explanatory really. Three of those signed are on the Wikimania jury or have conflicts of interest in supporting an individual bid, one is a banned user and one is me. That leaves 74 people who can help in this bid, if anyone is still interested?
I expect not all of them are subscribed to this list. Could people draft an email we can send to them on a subpage of m:Wikimania 2009/UK ?
Cheers
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If you are interested, please help. I'll give it a week and then I'm sorry, but I give up.
On 01/11/2007, Gary Kirk <[hidden email]> wrote:
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On 04/11/2007, Gary Kirk <[hidden email]> wrote:
> If you are interested, please help. I'll give it a week and then I'm sorry, > but I give up. > > I could put together an email if you wanted but well if I thought I could help beyond that I might be on that list -- geni _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [hidden email] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l |
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Hash: SHA1 I wouldn't waste my time. Oh wait, I did. But yes, that was my choice :) I wouldn't bother if I was you. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: http://firegpg.tuxfamily.org iD8DBQFHLggM+2nUI1W2UMIRAhtqAJ4rgadBqzlgQgs93nZEdKR3G60YSQCfegud 8+a4Uo8hJ8uyk8KMNwxj5uY= =dMBI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- On 04/11/2007, geni <[hidden email]> wrote: On 04/11/2007, Gary Kirk <[hidden email]> wrote: -- Gary Kirk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [hidden email] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l |
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Gary, is this a general note of pessimism? I can understand that - but
I would bear in mind that it really just takes one or two dedicated people to get a serious bid together - people will join as it gathers momentum, and then certainly if/when the bid is selected. For what it's worth, I'm still hopeful for 2009, and I will get working on it soon. (It will be easier for me to concentrate on Manchester, as I know the venue - if you can see a realistic option yourself, focus your energy there.) Cormac On 11/4/07, Gary Kirk <[hidden email]> wrote: > If you are interested, please help. I'll give it a week and then I'm sorry, > but I give up. > > > On 01/11/2007, Gary Kirk < [hidden email]> wrote: > > > > With > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK/People_interested_in_supporting_a_local_chapter, > we have a long list of... well, it's self-explanatory really. Three of those > signed are on the Wikimania jury or have conflicts of interest in supporting > an individual bid, one is a banned user and one is me. That leaves 74 people > who can help in this bid, if anyone is still interested? > > > > I expect not all of them are subscribed to this list. Could people draft > an email we can send to them on a subpage of m:Wikimania 2009/UK ? > > > > Cheers > > -- > > Gary Kirk > > > > -- > Gary Kirk > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [hidden email] > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [hidden email] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l |
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I'm not trying to be tricky. I'm just incompetent with email lists. The point I'm trying to make is that you need an institution's support if you want to have a bid grow legs; just like Mido has with the support of the Bibliotech at Alexandria next year. I'm pretty sure that the OU would love to help if they were approached in an open way. It would also assist the Wiki Foundation as the OU is at tone centre of a push (by HP) to get Unis to develop a global learning "cyberinfrastructure" (as the US National Science Foundation call it). Cormac, yu may have met a John Dehlin from MIT at the conference. He is working on an OpenCourseware Consortia (another $1M from HP) whose aim it is to do exactly this. The Wikipedia Foundation has a role to play here as Wikipedia is the most used virtual library in the world, yet it only allocates 2% of its budget to comms, which explains why it is still using antiquated tools like this mail list and IRC, when the conversations in most unis are about how they bridge the gap between an individual's "presence" and his/her peers with real time tools like the accessgrid. http://www.accessgrid.org/map If you wanted a person who may be able to help. http://news.kmi.open.ac.uk/rostra/news.php?r=6&t=2&id=940 And he could be contacted here (if you wanted to keep an intro above the radar) http://labspace.open.ac.uk/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=20 Or perhaps start a new thread. I'll say it again. The one thing which is needed is to consider linking (in real time) between global conference sites. With Atlanta talking about running their "own" conference next year at the same time as Alexandria, you can see how these tools could act to make remote groups feel part of a global initiative. Linking rooms in Alexandria, Atlanta and (say) Milton Keyes would be a productive first step. It would also reinforce the UK's bid as the global conference hub for 2009. If you wanted a sponsor then it's not hard to see which global IT company might be interested (although there are a few others I could suggest). Regards, simonfj -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Cormac Lawler Sent: Monday, 5 November 2007 9:49 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] People to approach to help? Gary, is this a general note of pessimism? I can understand that - but I would bear in mind that it really just takes one or two dedicated people to get a serious bid together - people will join as it gathers momentum, and then certainly if/when the bid is selected. For what it's worth, I'm still hopeful for 2009, and I will get working on it soon. (It will be easier for me to concentrate on Manchester, as I know the venue - if you can see a realistic option yourself, focus your energy there.) Cormac On 11/4/07, Gary Kirk <[hidden email]> wrote: > If you are interested, please help. I'll give it a week and then I'm sorry, > but I give up. > No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 8:05 PM _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [hidden email] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l |
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Thanks Simon - these are great points. I did in fact meet John Dehlin,
and he was very enthusiastic about collaborating - particularly with Wikiversity. My major concern with regards Wikimania is with finding a good venue that will be easy to get to for members of our community, and comfortably host about 500 people, keeping accommodation and activity centres within easy reach of each other (as we've had in the past). The next thing would be to find sponsorship - so your ideas are most appreciated. (Are you able/willing to help in this regard? :-)) Finally, remote participation is something we have been working on thus far, but there's much room for improvement. However, I'm not sure about simultaneous conferences, as it could dilute from the diversity that has made each Wikimania so special. :-) Thanks, Cormac On 11/6/07, Sandy Dorotheo <[hidden email]> wrote: > Guys, > > I'm not trying to be tricky. I'm just incompetent with email lists. > > The point I'm trying to make is that you need an institution's support if > you want to have a bid grow legs; just like Mido has with the support of the > Bibliotech at Alexandria next year. I'm pretty sure that the OU would love > to help if they were approached in an open way. It would also assist the > Wiki Foundation as the OU is at tone centre of a push (by HP) to get Unis to > develop a global learning "cyberinfrastructure" (as the US National Science > Foundation call it). > > Cormac, yu may have met a John Dehlin from MIT at the conference. He is > working on an OpenCourseware Consortia (another $1M from HP) whose aim it is > to do exactly this. The Wikipedia Foundation has a role to play here as > Wikipedia is the most used virtual library in the world, yet it only > allocates 2% of its budget to comms, which explains why it is still using > antiquated tools like this mail list and IRC, when the conversations in most > unis are about how they bridge the gap between an individual's "presence" > and his/her peers with real time tools like the accessgrid. > http://www.accessgrid.org/map > > If you wanted a person who may be able to help. > http://news.kmi.open.ac.uk/rostra/news.php?r=6&t=2&id=940 > And he could be contacted here (if you wanted to keep an intro above the > radar) http://labspace.open.ac.uk/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=20 > Or perhaps start a new thread. > > I'll say it again. The one thing which is needed is to consider linking (in > real time) between global conference sites. With Atlanta talking about > running their "own" conference next year at the same time as Alexandria, you > can see how these tools could act to make remote groups feel part of a > global initiative. Linking rooms in Alexandria, Atlanta and (say) Milton > Keyes would be a productive first step. It would also reinforce the UK's bid > as the global conference hub for 2009. > > If you wanted a sponsor then it's not hard to see which global IT company > might be interested (although there are a few others I could suggest). > > Regards, > simonfj > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Cormac > Lawler > Sent: Monday, 5 November 2007 9:49 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] People to approach to help? > > Gary, is this a general note of pessimism? I can understand that - but > I would bear in mind that it really just takes one or two dedicated > people to get a serious bid together - people will join as it gathers > momentum, and then certainly if/when the bid is selected. For what > it's worth, I'm still hopeful for 2009, and I will get working on it > soon. (It will be easier for me to concentrate on Manchester, as I > know the venue - if you can see a realistic option yourself, focus > your energy there.) > > Cormac > > > On 11/4/07, Gary Kirk <[hidden email]> wrote: > > If you are interested, please help. I'll give it a week and then I'm > sorry, > > but I give up. > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 > 8:05 PM > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [hidden email] > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [hidden email] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l |
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Hash: SHA1 I have a proposal for a venue in London which we could almost certainly have for free I've been told. It's in North London and the problem I guess would be accommodation. It may or may not be large enough. I will investigate. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: http://firegpg.tuxfamily.org iD8DBQFHMOgA+2nUI1W2UMIRAmN0AKCPCBqAbwSXUeFDj/eSs5rESGR9KACfa9wj QfU2lTzYJjDUmY5KSrz9yiw= =rWHE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- On 06/11/2007, Cormac Lawler <[hidden email]> wrote: Thanks Simon - these are great points. I did in fact meet John Dehlin, -- Gary Kirk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [hidden email] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l |
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On 11/6/07, Gary Kirk <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I have a proposal for a venue in London which we could almost certainly have > for free I've been told. It's in North London and the problem I guess would > be accommodation. It may or may not be large enough. I will investigate. That's great Gary. Yes, the main thing is whether the venue can actually hold a conference :-) - so a variety of rooms for hosting keynotes and simultaneous sessions, as well as other rooms/spaces, is a must. Accommodation is preferable to have on-or-adjacent-to-site, but there could be ways around this too (eg. shuttle buses)... Cormac _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [hidden email] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l |
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Guys, While I'm having a play with this, and as it might be useful if you want to get together with a few OU people. Or other Wikimanians. http://fm-openlearn.open.ac.uk/mxbooking/index.php?kwd=FM This is the context. http://labspace.open.ac.uk/course/view.php?id=2951 It's free for up to 25. Regards, simonfj No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 8:05 PM _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [hidden email] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l |
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Thanks Cormac (and Gary - mate I see yu working so hard)
Glad to see you met John D, who, if you read between the OCW forum lines. is having a hard time, like WM, with coming up with a form of governance that assists global groups get their interests (and content) together, and find ways to be sustainable. Yes the venue is important, but build a better mousetrap and people'll flock to it. The OU is a hub of (Uni) relationships who constantly run conferences, so they know better than anyone which venue would be adequate. National libraries are the same. So the British library would be another possible approach, especially with the Alexandria Bibliotech hosting next year. Librarians compete hugely, like all institutions (You know - me too! me too!) I used to wrap advertising/ sponsorships around content for a living, so with the Wikipedia brand, being the most influential library(ies) in the IP world, it's pretty easy to see who's a hit. Trouble is, if one thinks in terms of just one event, for one year, the Wikimania brand becomes sooo devalued = just one little group, in one little country, for a couple of days, just like an ordinary uni. So tens of thousands of volunteers never get the feeling that they are part of a new global institution. It's not so much a matter of remote 'simultaneous conferences'. It's a matter of having people like Tim Berners Lee being able to attend (virtually if necessary), and then having a few (or lots of) global 'break out sessions' - 'atelier' knowledge building as John Seely Brown would say. Am just watching the dog's breakfast called Megaconference. Room for improvement? You betcha. http://digitalunion.osu.edu/megaconference/streaming.html So forgive a grumpy old man for his incompetence with mail lists. I can see that if we were to run some sessions on the OU flashmeeting, and have this discussion on a couple of threads in their Labspace, and invite Mido to give us an idea of what he has in mind for content next year, and ask our Taiwanese friends to add their experience, along with others, then we won't have to go out and sell this too hard. As IBM have said for a decade now, we live in an on demand world. Trouble is no one seems to believe it. Regards, simonfj -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Cormac Lawler Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2007 9:03 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] People to approach to help? Thanks Simon - these are great points. I did in fact meet John Dehlin, and he was very enthusiastic about collaborating - particularly with Wikiversity. My major concern with regards Wikimania is with finding a good venue that will be easy to get to for members of our community, and comfortably host about 500 people, keeping accommodation and activity centres within easy reach of each other (as we've had in the past). The next thing would be to find sponsorship - so your ideas are most appreciated. (Are you able/willing to help in this regard? :-)) Finally, remote participation is something we have been working on thus far, but there's much room for improvement. However, I'm not sure about simultaneous conferences, as it could dilute from the diversity that has made each Wikimania so special. :-) Thanks, Cormac No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.23/1114 - Release Date: 6/11/2007 8:05 PM _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [hidden email] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l |
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At 23:05 +0000 6/11/07, Cormac Lawler wrote:
>On 11/6/07, Gary Kirk <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> I have a proposal for a venue in London which we could almost certainly have >> for free I've been told. It's in North London and the problem I guess would >> be accommodation. It may or may not be large enough. I will investigate. > > >That's great Gary. Yes, the main thing is whether the venue can >actually hold a conference :-) - so a variety of rooms for hosting >keynotes and simultaneous sessions, as well as other rooms/spaces, is >a must. Accommodation is preferable to have on-or-adjacent-to-site, >but there could be ways around this too (eg. shuttle buses)... > >Cormac It really does help to have everything on one site. After, that was one of the selling points for the London Olympics 2012. :D So, UCL, Queen Mary, UEL (all in London) and many other campus sites are excellent starting points. In fact the Open University take many weeks from the schedule of Queen Mary's facilities for summer schools. Gordo -- "Think Feynman"///////// http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [hidden email]/// _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [hidden email] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l |
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Hash: SHA1 I don't think we have the power to bulldoze the entire Lea Valley though :P Did we or did we not establish that QM was full over the summer do to the OU? (I honestly can't remember/missed it) I have a friend at QM actually, I will try and ask her unless anyone else knows. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: http://firegpg.tuxfamily.org iD8DBQFHN4Eu+2nUI1W2UMIRAreRAJ9+ccQ+iOWkAgLTTS4Sda5mxCZO1wCeJVZX h7DwChZwwdZvCfCpgs/Xk5o= =uanD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- On 11/11/2007, Gordon Joly <[hidden email]> wrote: At 23:05 +0000 6/11/07, Cormac Lawler wrote: -- Gary Kirk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [hidden email] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l |
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On 11/11/2007, Gordon Joly <[hidden email]> wrote:
> So, UCL, Queen Mary, UEL (all in London) and many other campus sites > are excellent starting points. IC has some accommodation on campus that gets used for conferences, too. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [hidden email] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l |
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At 01:50 +0000 12/11/07, James Farrar wrote:
>On 11/11/2007, Gordon Joly <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> So, UCL, Queen Mary, UEL (all in London) and many other campus sites >> are excellent starting points. > >IC has some accommodation on campus that gets used for conferences, too. > _____________ As I recall, the cheapest option was not IC. But is a great venue. Gordon Appendix: IC = Imperial College UCL = University College London QM = Queen Mary UEL = University of East London -- "Think Feynman"///////// http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [hidden email]/// _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [hidden email] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l |
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At 22:25 +0000 11/11/07, Gary Kirk wrote:
> >I don't think we have the power to bulldoze the entire Lea Valley though :P Why not? >Did we or did we not establish that QM was full over the summer do >to the OU? (I honestly can't remember/missed it) >I have a friend at QM actually, I will try and ask her unless anyone >else knows. When I rang them, and emailed, they had some weeks free. But then later Alison Wheeler said that there were full. Shall I ask again? Gordon -- "Think Feynman"///////// http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [hidden email]/// _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [hidden email] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l |
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On Mon, November 12, 2007 14:35, Gordon Joly wrote:
> When I rang them, and emailed, they had some weeks free. But then > later Alison Wheeler said that there were full. My comment was a 'belief' that would likely be full, not an actual check for 2009 Alison _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [hidden email] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l |
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At 13:38 +0000 14/11/07, Alison Wheeler wrote:
>On Mon, November 12, 2007 14:35, Gordon Joly wrote: >> When I rang them, and emailed, they had some weeks free. But then > > later Alison Wheeler said that there were full. > >My comment was a 'belief' that would likely be full, not an actual check >for 2009 > >Alison > And Queen Mary will have their 2009 schedule open for bookings in 2007? Gordo -- "Think Feynman"///////// http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [hidden email]/// _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [hidden email] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l |
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At 10:58 +0000 15/11/07, Gordon Joly wrote:
>At 13:38 +0000 14/11/07, Alison Wheeler wrote: >>On Mon, November 12, 2007 14:35, Gordon Joly wrote: >>> When I rang them, and emailed, they had some weeks free. But then >> > later Alison Wheeler said that there were full. >> >>My comment was a 'belief' that would likely be full, not an actual check >>for 2009 >> >>Alison >> > > >And Queen Mary will have their 2009 schedule open for bookings in 2007? > >Gordo > http://www.londoneastside.co.uk/venue/186/ http://www.ccrs.qmul.ac.uk/conferences/ Should I contact them for a general enquiry for 2009? Gordon -- "Think Feynman"///////// http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [hidden email]/// _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [hidden email] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l |
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On 11/18/07, Gordon Joly <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > http://www.londoneastside.co.uk/venue/186/ > > http://www.ccrs.qmul.ac.uk/conferences/ > > Should I contact them for a general enquiry for 2009? Yes, absolutely! That's what this thread is about. :-) Cormac _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [hidden email] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l |
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