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Proposal for a procedure for the closure of projects

Gerard Meijssen-3
Hoi,
We have been working on a procedure for the closure of projects for some
time. The reason for this is that the language committee has been asked to
do this for several projects. It is not something we liked to do as it will
not gain us any popularity. However, we hope that having a proper procedure
will help us all.

Key points:

   - Language committee deals primarily with language issues.
   - The process will take at least a month, this should allow for a
   resolution of the issue in the meantime without getting any official
   involvement
   - We define a need for a "Meta Arbitration Committee", we have not
   defined it as such
   - When it is within the remit of the language committee to decide for
   the end of a project, it will be possible to appeal a decision by the "Meta
   Arbitration Committee"
   - When it is accepted that a project is to end, there will be a
   proposal to the board for consideration
   - Requesting the end of a project is not a zero sum game, it can go
   the other way and result in sanctions against the person, group, project
   requesting it

Thanks,
    GerardM

PS In the ideas of the Language committee the Kanuri language would go to
the Incubator.
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Re: Proposal for a procedure for the closure of projects

Johannes Rohr-2
GerardM <[hidden email]>
writes:

> Hoi,
> We have been working on a procedure for the closure of projects for some
> time. The reason for this is that the language committee has been asked to
> do this for several projects. It is not something we liked to do as it will
> not gain us any popularity. However, we hope that having a proper procedure
> will help us all.

[...]

Thanks, such an initiative is clearly needed! Is there a public draft?

> PS In the ideas of the Language committee the Kanuri language would
> go to the Incubator.

Since the Kanuri Wikipedia (kr.wikipedia.org) has /no content at all/
(there is nothing in article space, save for the main page, which is
English only), I still wonder, what exactly should go to the
incubator...

Thanks,

Johannes

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Re: Proposal for a procedure for the closure of projects

Gerard Meijssen-3
Hoi,
Yes, I posted it on Meta. As to Kanuri, indeed there is not much. When this
page is brought to the Incubator, it will either be dormant or it will see a
revival. When it fits the requirements of a full project, it will go back
life again.

Thanks,
      GerardM

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Closure_of_WMF_projects

On 4/30/07, Johannes Rohr <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> GerardM <[hidden email]>
> writes:
>
> > Hoi,
> > We have been working on a procedure for the closure of projects for some
> > time. The reason for this is that the language committee has been asked
> to
> > do this for several projects. It is not something we liked to do as it
> will
> > not gain us any popularity. However, we hope that having a proper
> procedure
> > will help us all.
>
> [...]
>
> Thanks, such an initiative is clearly needed! Is there a public draft?
>
> > PS In the ideas of the Language committee the Kanuri language would
> > go to the Incubator.
>
> Since the Kanuri Wikipedia (kr.wikipedia.org) has /no content at all/
> (there is nothing in article space, save for the main page, which is
> English only), I still wonder, what exactly should go to the
> incubator...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Johannes
>
> --
> http://www.infoe.de/
>
>
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Re: Proposal for a procedure for the closure ofprojects

Johan Bos-2
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That's a good reason for not moving anything to the incubator.

I think there are two options left:
-Just lock the database (maybe with some instructions for a possible Kanuri
speaking passer-by)
-Delete the database

I would prefer the first option, because the language exists.

Greetings,

Jcb

From: "Johannes Rohr" <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal for a procedure for the closure
ofprojects

> Since the Kanuri Wikipedia (kr.wikipedia.org) has /no content at all/
> (there is nothing in article space, save for the main page, which is
> English only), I still wonder, what exactly should go to the
> incubator...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Johannes
>
> --
> http://www.infoe.de/
>
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Re: Proposal for a procedure for the closure ofprojects

KIZU Naoko
On 5/1/07, Johan Bos <[hidden email]> wrote:
> That's a good reason for not moving anything to the incubator.
>
> I think there are two options left:
> -Just lock the database (maybe with some instructions for a possible Kanuri
> speaking passer-by)
> -Delete the database
>
> I would prefer the first option, because the language exists.

Seconded.
As for Kanuri, I have found no good reason to move it to the
Incubator. I have no idea which sense it makes to move its main page
(it is quite similar with other dormant projects) to the Incubator,
unless the Langcom would like to collect all dormant language projects
once to it and lock the database. (There are several projects - at
least over 50 - whose sole content is Main Page).

> From: "Johannes Rohr" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal for a procedure for the closure
> ofprojects
>
> > Since the Kanuri Wikipedia (kr.wikipedia.org) has /no content at all/
> > (there is nothing in article space, save for the main page, which is
> > English only), I still wonder, what exactly should go to the
> > incubator...
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Johannes
> >
> > --
> > http://www.infoe.de/
> >
> >
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Re: Proposal for a procedure for the closureofprojects

Casey Brown-2
Thirded (if that is a word).  There really is nothing to move, a database
lock seems like the best idea.

Casey Brown
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On 5/1/07, Johan Bos <[hidden email]> wrote:
> That's a good reason for not moving anything to the incubator.
>
> I think there are two options left:
> -Just lock the database (maybe with some instructions for a possible
Kanuri
> speaking passer-by)
> -Delete the database
>
> I would prefer the first option, because the language exists.

Seconded.
As for Kanuri, I have found no good reason to move it to the
Incubator. I have no idea which sense it makes to move its main page
(it is quite similar with other dormant projects) to the Incubator,
unless the Langcom would like to collect all dormant language projects
once to it and lock the database. (There are several projects - at
least over 50 - whose sole content is Main Page).

> From: "Johannes Rohr" <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal for a procedure for the closure
> ofprojects
>
> > Since the Kanuri Wikipedia (kr.wikipedia.org) has /no content at all/
> > (there is nothing in article space, save for the main page, which is
> > English only), I still wonder, what exactly should go to the
> > incubator...
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Johannes
> >
> > --
> > http://www.infoe.de/
> >
> >
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Re: Proposal for a procedure for the closure of projects

M. Williamson
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I support this, but there must be clear requirements and restrictions
for closing projects. For example, although it has been controversial,
I do not think the policy should allow for closing the ru-sib.wp
because of its size and its community.

Mark

On 30/04/07, GerardM <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hoi,
> We have been working on a procedure for the closure of projects for some
> time. The reason for this is that the language committee has been asked to
> do this for several projects. It is not something we liked to do as it will
> not gain us any popularity. However, we hope that having a proper procedure
> will help us all.
>
> Key points:
>
>   - Language committee deals primarily with language issues.
>   - The process will take at least a month, this should allow for a
>   resolution of the issue in the meantime without getting any official
>   involvement
>   - We define a need for a "Meta Arbitration Committee", we have not
>   defined it as such
>   - When it is within the remit of the language committee to decide for
>   the end of a project, it will be possible to appeal a decision by the "Meta
>   Arbitration Committee"
>   - When it is accepted that a project is to end, there will be a
>   proposal to the board for consideration
>   - Requesting the end of a project is not a zero sum game, it can go
>   the other way and result in sanctions against the person, group, project
>   requesting it
>
> Thanks,
>    GerardM
>
> PS In the ideas of the Language committee the Kanuri language would go to
> the Incubator.
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Re: Proposal for a procedure for the closure ofprojects

Johannes Rohr-2
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"Johan Bos" <[hidden email]>
writes:

> That's a good reason for not moving anything to the incubator.
>
> I think there are two options left:
> -Just lock the database (maybe with some instructions for a possible Kanuri
> speaking passer-by)
> -Delete the database
>
> I would prefer the first option, because the language exists.

If the database is locked, the main page should contain instructions for
potential contributors, telling them where to turn in case they would
like to work on this wikipedia edition. This poses the question: What
should they do? Whom should they contact? ATM I don't see a standard
procedure for such cases.

On a side issue, keeping dormant projects without any viable content
introduces a situation where you have two classes of languages: One
for which projects do exist because they were summarly created
together with hundreds of others at some point in the past and a
second one where proponents have to go through the long, painful and
often discouraging process introduced by the new policy. (when, heck,
will kab.wikipedia.org finally go online?)

Thanks,

Johannes


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Re: Proposal for a procedure for the closure ofprojects

Jesse (Pathoschild)
On 4/30/07, Johannes Rohr <[hidden email]> wrote:
> (when, heck, will kab.wikipedia.org finally go online?)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Johannes
>

When the developers make it so; there is an open ticket filed for it
and various root-access developers are regularly poked. It would be
nice if we had a developer dedicated to wiki creation, as we do for
localization. <http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9699>

Yours cordially,
Jesse Martin (Pathoschild)

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