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Re: Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

Ashwin Baindur
Ah but much of the discussion arose because of that case! Hence its relevance.

Warm regards,

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On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Ravishankar <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Ashwin,
>
> I already said discussing in general terms is fine. Nichalp Vs Wifione is
> out of the scope of this list in my opinion.
>
> Ravi
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Re: Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

Srikanth Ramakrishnan-2
Just to point out Ravi, Wifione, not only has admin privileges, but also has Edit-filter rights, which is potentially more disasterous if he truly is being paid by AC.
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On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:22 AM, Ashwin Baindur <[hidden email]> wrote:
Ah but much of the discussion arose because of that case! Hence its relevance.

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
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On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Ravishankar <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Ashwin,
>
> I already said discussing in general terms is fine. Nichalp Vs Wifione is
> out of the scope of this list in my opinion.
>
> Ravi
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Re: Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

CherianTinu Abraham
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Another one >>
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Makrandjoshi&oldid=108166042
( No translation needed)


On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:53 PM, CherianTinu Abraham <[hidden email]> wrote:
I think, some are getting it all wrong.  It is not about sympathies to Nichalp or who so ever.

The problem is not conflict of interest editing... It is not even a philosophical debate of Paid editing Vs Volunteer editing... The problem is getting paid to white wash "negative materials" in favor of the clients, which eventually render Wikipedia articles biased and information suppressed... And if those people can get favors from the level of Admins, it is definitely wrong. What is more shocking is that if that if an account created possibly with a single purpose ( of protecting the interests of a business group) can manage to climb up the ladder of admin-ship of a "stronger" Wikipedia like en.wiki , it is definitely alarming !

At this point of time, I am giving the benefit of doubt of whether Wifione is actually Nichalp or not. But definitely an account like Wifione aka "Wireless Fidelity Class One" must be investigated.

It is not the first time, IIPM related folks tried to infiltrate Wikipedia to get the articles in their favour.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Mrinal_Pandey 
I am sure that scores of such sock puppet users are still having a free run with related articles. 
Previous sockpuppet investigations against Wifione in 2009 returned a "possible" result.

Imagine having an admin also with ACC ( Account Creation) toolserver authorization in the favour.

What is more shocking is that one  user who slapped the notice on Wifione got this message on his talk page
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Makrandjoshi&oldid=104617335
(which closely translates to DONT YOU GET SCARED? THESE IIPM GUYS WILL KILL YOU)

Now tell me, can volunteers like you and me fearlessly edit articles related to IIPM to remove its bias, in such situations of death threats? Least I want to go to Silichar after being sued.

-TC



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <[hidden email]> wrote:
hi,

I think we mean this criticism only in the Wikipedia reference. It's
not as if we're going to catch and hand over this guy to the Police.

Such paid editing lowers the morale of other editors. Efforts must be
made to stop such work that is detrimental to other Wikipedia
volunteers.

Then again, we're putting the cart in front of the horse. It's not
been proved Nichalp and wifione are one and the same. It is hence best
to discuss only about paid editing and how this practise can be
identified and stopped.

Pradeep
Handheld

On 09/02/2012, Ashwin Baindur <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I would only like to remind people that showing some sympathy is not a
> bad thing .
>
> Coming from armed forces where there are no second places - to me the
> greatest sin is lack of competence, whether in language, wiki-writing,
> techniques or otherwise. I was told by someone that Wikipeding was a
> voluntary activity so high standards should not be expected in
> competence. If that is true, then we should not suddenly start
> witch-hunting on the basis of principle when we are ourselves so
> casual about other qualities in other ways!
>
> Without mentioning specific incidents, I have come across this
> tendency to crucify others in India community - which is deplorable.
>
> Before any one becomes high & mighty on morals here, one should look
> closely at what are harmful crimes against humanity (murder, rape etc)
> and what are social misdemeanours (wiki-crimes). So many of us condone
> other faults all the time in Indian society; it is hypocrisy to be
> principled in issues concerning others, when we ourselves don't apply
> the highest standards to ourselves.
>
> In my opinion. it is NOT the business of this community to go
> searching for culprits unless the culprit has affected us in some
> manner, which does not appear to be the case.
>
> As Jesus Christ said, let he who is without blame cast the first stone.
>
> There are far better and much more important things to do here.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ashwin Baindur
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:23 PM, praveenp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I feel no sympathy for Nichalp or any such users....
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-in-en] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

wheredevelsdare
Worse:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Makrandjoshi&diff=prev&oldid=108166519

I cant believe nothing has been done about this so far!


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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:46:16 +0530
To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-in-en] [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

Another one >>
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Makrandjoshi&oldid=108166042
( No translation needed)


On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:53 PM, CherianTinu Abraham <[hidden email]> wrote:
I think, some are getting it all wrong.  It is not about sympathies to Nichalp or who so ever.

The problem is not conflict of interest editing... It is not even a philosophical debate of Paid editing Vs Volunteer editing... The problem is getting paid to white wash "negative materials" in favor of the clients, which eventually render Wikipedia articles biased and information suppressed... And if those people can get favors from the level of Admins, it is definitely wrong. What is more shocking is that if that if an account created possibly with a single purpose ( of protecting the interests of a business group) can manage to climb up the ladder of admin-ship of a "stronger" Wikipedia like en.wiki , it is definitely alarming !

At this point of time, I am giving the benefit of doubt of whether Wifione is actually Nichalp or not. But definitely an account like Wifione aka "Wireless Fidelity Class One" must be investigated.

It is not the first time, IIPM related folks tried to infiltrate Wikipedia to get the articles in their favour.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Mrinal_Pandey 
I am sure that scores of such sock puppet users are still having a free run with related articles. 
Previous sockpuppet investigations against Wifione in 2009 returned a "possible" result.

Imagine having an admin also with ACC ( Account Creation) toolserver authorization in the favour.

What is more shocking is that one  user who slapped the notice on Wifione got this message on his talk page
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Makrandjoshi&oldid=104617335
(which closely translates to DONT YOU GET SCARED? THESE IIPM GUYS WILL KILL YOU)

Now tell me, can volunteers like you and me fearlessly edit articles related to IIPM to remove its bias, in such situations of death threats? Least I want to go to Silichar after being sued.

-TC



On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <[hidden email]> wrote:
hi,

I think we mean this criticism only in the Wikipedia reference. It's
not as if we're going to catch and hand over this guy to the Police.

Such paid editing lowers the morale of other editors. Efforts must be
made to stop such work that is detrimental to other Wikipedia
volunteers.

Then again, we're putting the cart in front of the horse. It's not
been proved Nichalp and wifione are one and the same. It is hence best
to discuss only about paid editing and how this practise can be
identified and stopped.

Pradeep
Handheld

On 09/02/2012, Ashwin Baindur <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I would only like to remind people that showing some sympathy is not a
> bad thing .
>
> Coming from armed forces where there are no second places - to me the
> greatest sin is lack of competence, whether in language, wiki-writing,
> techniques or otherwise. I was told by someone that Wikipeding was a
> voluntary activity so high standards should not be expected in
> competence. If that is true, then we should not suddenly start
> witch-hunting on the basis of principle when we are ourselves so
> casual about other qualities in other ways!
>
> Without mentioning specific incidents, I have come across this
> tendency to crucify others in India community - which is deplorable.
>
> Before any one becomes high & mighty on morals here, one should look
> closely at what are harmful crimes against humanity (murder, rape etc)
> and what are social misdemeanours (wiki-crimes). So many of us condone
> other faults all the time in Indian society; it is hypocrisy to be
> principled in issues concerning others, when we ourselves don't apply
> the highest standards to ourselves.
>
> In my opinion. it is NOT the business of this community to go
> searching for culprits unless the culprit has affected us in some
> manner, which does not appear to be the case.
>
> As Jesus Christ said, let he who is without blame cast the first stone.
>
> There are far better and much more important things to do here.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ashwin Baindur
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:23 PM, praveenp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I feel no sympathy for Nichalp or any such users....
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-in-en] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

Srikanth Ramakrishnan-2
While all this is rather disconcerting, do remember that we must not
prejudice ourselves against the said institute. I do know a student
Who's an excellent contributor to the English Wikipedia and is very
active in Outreach programs.

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http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
Aliens invaded Tamil Nadu, left their Spacship and now it is a Toll Plaza.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IVRCL-Vijayamangalam-Toll-Plaza.JPG

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