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Re: Commons Android app - IEG renewal proposal

Steinsplitter Wiki

To be honest, i am a bit concerned about https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Improve_%27Upload_to_Commons%27_Android_App/Renewal#Budget_breakdown


I think we should spend money for high-priority tasks such as building a copyright detection tool for mp3 files (which are coming soon), etc.


Needless to say that most people on commons are not getting payed for building tools[1].


--Steinsplitter


[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Tools



Von: Commons-l <[hidden email]> im Auftrag von Josephine Lim <[hidden email]>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Juli 2017 15:43
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Betreff: Re: [Commons-l] Commons Android app - IEG renewal proposal
 
Edit: Sorry for the lack of clarity in my previous post - the link to the renewal proposal is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Improve_%27Upload_to_Commons%27_Android_App/Renewal . The other metawiki link is for the old/completed grant.

Regards,
Josephine



On 18 July 2017 at 19:59, Josephine Lim <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi folks,


The Wikimedia Commons app [1] (a community-maintained Android app that allows users to upload photos to Commons from their phone) was funded via an Individual Engagement Grant [2] last year and has several new features - a list and map of nearby places that need photos (based on Wikidata), category suggestions based on the image title, prevention of duplicate uploads, and a new tutorial to educate new users on what types of photos should or should not be uploaded. During the grant period, 20554 new files were uploaded via the app with an overall deletion rate of 15.74% (11.7% in the final two weeks after the new tutorial was implemented), and 3485 images that were uploaded via the app were used in Wikimedia articles.

While we are very happy with the progress made, there are many other improvements that we would like to make but were not able to fit into the scope of the previous grant. Thus we are proposing a renewal [3] of the IEG in order to work on these. Highlights of the proposed improvements include:

- Enhancing the "Nearby places that need photos" feature by (1) allowing users to upload their image directly from a location on the list or map, with suggested title and categories based on the associated Wikidata item, and (2) displaying the user's real-time position on the map to allow easier navigation to the location they wish to photograph
- Improving user education by displaying Commons account and user talk notifications (e.g. picture nominated for deletion) in the app, adding a gallery of featured images, and adding various notices and explanations in the upload screen
- A sleeker, more intuitive, and more interactive user interface - a floating action button for uploads, "Nearby places that need photos" in a tab alongside the user's contributions, and a panel to display Commons account notifications and information about the nearest place that needs photos
- Various technical and quality-of-life improvements, such as two-factor authentication login, multiple uploads, preventing overwrites, and fixing memory leaks and battery drain issues

We are especially excited about the "Nearby places that need photos" enhancements, as we feel that it can help reduce the number of geo-located Wikidata items that lack pictures, and provide pictures for Wikimedia articles that lack them. We believe that this is one of our main strengths as a mobile app - users can have a seamless workflow where they can browse the places that need photos, select one and move to the location, and then directly upload the photo after taking it (with relevant titles and categories suggested), all within the same app and without needing to use a computer.

Please do take a look at our proposal [3], feel free to provide feedback and make new suggestions on the Discussion page, and/or endorse the proposal if you see fit. If you would like to be part of the project, new volunteers and additions to our diverse team are always welcome - please visit our GitHub repository [4] and say "Hi". :)

Many thanks!


Regards,
Josephine (Commons app project maintainer)


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Re: Commons Android app - IEG renewal proposal

Chris Koerner-2
Hey Steinsplitter, how are you doing? I'm curious, are you aware of any existing grants that have been proposed to address the concerns you mention? I'm helping the teams at the foundation with MP3 and am not aware of any myself. I appreciate any insight. We can take the conversation off list/thread if you'd like. 

On topic, surely there's potential to both fund the request of Josephine and company to continue the already great work on the Commons app _and_ other items as well?

This is a not-so-subtle encouragement to folks to leverage the grants program. :)

Yours,
Chris Koerner
Community Liaison
Wikimedia Foundation

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Steinsplitter Wiki <[hidden email]> wrote:

To be honest, i am a bit concerned about https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Improve_%27Upload_to_Commons%27_Android_App/Renewal#Budget_breakdown


I think we should spend money for high-priority tasks such as building a copyright detection tool for mp3 files (which are coming soon), etc.


Needless to say that most people on commons are not getting payed for building tools[1].


--Steinsplitter


[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Tools



Von: Commons-l <[hidden email]> im Auftrag von Josephine Lim <[hidden email]>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Juli 2017 15:43
An: [hidden email]; mobile-l; [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Betreff: Re: [Commons-l] Commons Android app - IEG renewal proposal
 
Edit: Sorry for the lack of clarity in my previous post - the link to the renewal proposal is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Improve_%27Upload_to_Commons%27_Android_App/Renewal . The other metawiki link is for the old/completed grant.

Regards,
Josephine



On 18 July 2017 at 19:59, Josephine Lim <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi folks,


The Wikimedia Commons app [1] (a community-maintained Android app that allows users to upload photos to Commons from their phone) was funded via an Individual Engagement Grant [2] last year and has several new features - a list and map of nearby places that need photos (based on Wikidata), category suggestions based on the image title, prevention of duplicate uploads, and a new tutorial to educate new users on what types of photos should or should not be uploaded. During the grant period, 20554 new files were uploaded via the app with an overall deletion rate of 15.74% (11.7% in the final two weeks after the new tutorial was implemented), and 3485 images that were uploaded via the app were used in Wikimedia articles.

While we are very happy with the progress made, there are many other improvements that we would like to make but were not able to fit into the scope of the previous grant. Thus we are proposing a renewal [3] of the IEG in order to work on these. Highlights of the proposed improvements include:

- Enhancing the "Nearby places that need photos" feature by (1) allowing users to upload their image directly from a location on the list or map, with suggested title and categories based on the associated Wikidata item, and (2) displaying the user's real-time position on the map to allow easier navigation to the location they wish to photograph
- Improving user education by displaying Commons account and user talk notifications (e.g. picture nominated for deletion) in the app, adding a gallery of featured images, and adding various notices and explanations in the upload screen
- A sleeker, more intuitive, and more interactive user interface - a floating action button for uploads, "Nearby places that need photos" in a tab alongside the user's contributions, and a panel to display Commons account notifications and information about the nearest place that needs photos
- Various technical and quality-of-life improvements, such as two-factor authentication login, multiple uploads, preventing overwrites, and fixing memory leaks and battery drain issues

We are especially excited about the "Nearby places that need photos" enhancements, as we feel that it can help reduce the number of geo-located Wikidata items that lack pictures, and provide pictures for Wikimedia articles that lack them. We believe that this is one of our main strengths as a mobile app - users can have a seamless workflow where they can browse the places that need photos, select one and move to the location, and then directly upload the photo after taking it (with relevant titles and categories suggested), all within the same app and without needing to use a computer.

Please do take a look at our proposal [3], feel free to provide feedback and make new suggestions on the Discussion page, and/or endorse the proposal if you see fit. If you would like to be part of the project, new volunteers and additions to our diverse team are always welcome - please visit our GitHub repository [4] and say "Hi". :)

Many thanks!


Regards,
Josephine (Commons app project maintainer)


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Re: Commons Android app - IEG renewal proposal

Gerard Meijssen-3
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Hoi,
High priority is in the eyes of the beholder.. I want the quality of Wikipedia to improve [1] and have a plan how to achieve that in a measurable way. For me it seems that quality has no priority even though the problem I address is real enough and even though there have not been any flaws discovered in my reasoning. Your proposal is too abstract for me and consequently I do not understand why it should have a priority.

Also there is plenty of money to go around.
Thanks,
      GerardM


On 18 July 2017 at 15:57, Steinsplitter Wiki <[hidden email]> wrote:

To be honest, i am a bit concerned about https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Improve_%27Upload_to_Commons%27_Android_App/Renewal#Budget_breakdown


I think we should spend money for high-priority tasks such as building a copyright detection tool for mp3 files (which are coming soon), etc.


Needless to say that most people on commons are not getting payed for building tools[1].


--Steinsplitter


[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Tools



Von: Commons-l <[hidden email]> im Auftrag von Josephine Lim <[hidden email]>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Juli 2017 15:43
An: [hidden email]; mobile-l; [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Betreff: Re: [Commons-l] Commons Android app - IEG renewal proposal
 
Edit: Sorry for the lack of clarity in my previous post - the link to the renewal proposal is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Improve_%27Upload_to_Commons%27_Android_App/Renewal . The other metawiki link is for the old/completed grant.

Regards,
Josephine



On 18 July 2017 at 19:59, Josephine Lim <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi folks,


The Wikimedia Commons app [1] (a community-maintained Android app that allows users to upload photos to Commons from their phone) was funded via an Individual Engagement Grant [2] last year and has several new features - a list and map of nearby places that need photos (based on Wikidata), category suggestions based on the image title, prevention of duplicate uploads, and a new tutorial to educate new users on what types of photos should or should not be uploaded. During the grant period, 20554 new files were uploaded via the app with an overall deletion rate of 15.74% (11.7% in the final two weeks after the new tutorial was implemented), and 3485 images that were uploaded via the app were used in Wikimedia articles.

While we are very happy with the progress made, there are many other improvements that we would like to make but were not able to fit into the scope of the previous grant. Thus we are proposing a renewal [3] of the IEG in order to work on these. Highlights of the proposed improvements include:

- Enhancing the "Nearby places that need photos" feature by (1) allowing users to upload their image directly from a location on the list or map, with suggested title and categories based on the associated Wikidata item, and (2) displaying the user's real-time position on the map to allow easier navigation to the location they wish to photograph
- Improving user education by displaying Commons account and user talk notifications (e.g. picture nominated for deletion) in the app, adding a gallery of featured images, and adding various notices and explanations in the upload screen
- A sleeker, more intuitive, and more interactive user interface - a floating action button for uploads, "Nearby places that need photos" in a tab alongside the user's contributions, and a panel to display Commons account notifications and information about the nearest place that needs photos
- Various technical and quality-of-life improvements, such as two-factor authentication login, multiple uploads, preventing overwrites, and fixing memory leaks and battery drain issues

We are especially excited about the "Nearby places that need photos" enhancements, as we feel that it can help reduce the number of geo-located Wikidata items that lack pictures, and provide pictures for Wikimedia articles that lack them. We believe that this is one of our main strengths as a mobile app - users can have a seamless workflow where they can browse the places that need photos, select one and move to the location, and then directly upload the photo after taking it (with relevant titles and categories suggested), all within the same app and without needing to use a computer.

Please do take a look at our proposal [3], feel free to provide feedback and make new suggestions on the Discussion page, and/or endorse the proposal if you see fit. If you would like to be part of the project, new volunteers and additions to our diverse team are always welcome - please visit our GitHub repository [4] and say "Hi". :)

Many thanks!


Regards,
Josephine (Commons app project maintainer)


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Re: Commons Android app - IEG renewal proposal

Josephine Lim
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Hi all,

Thanks for your feedback, Steinsplitter. I have responded to your post at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Commons_Android_app_-_IEG_renewal_proposal , so it might be best to continue our conversation there instead of duplicating it here.

Gerard, was your post directed at me or at Steinsplitter? Am a bit confused.

I do agree with Chris; I don't think there should be any need to argue over which project should have #1 priority. AFAIK several grants are awarded every round, not just one, and there are multiple rounds every year.


Best regards,
Josephine


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Hoi,
High priority is in the eyes of the beholder.. I want the quality of
Wikipedia to improve [1] and have a plan how to achieve that in a
measurable way. For me it seems that quality has no priority even though
the problem I address is real enough and even though there have not been
any flaws discovered in my reasoning. Your proposal is too abstract for me
and consequently I do not understand why it should have a priority.

Also there is plenty of money to go around.
Thanks,
      GerardM

[1]
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2017/07/wikidata-vs-wikipedia-issue-with-input.html
among other blog posts

On 18 July 2017 at 15:57, Steinsplitter Wiki <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> To be honest, i am a bit concerned about https://meta.wikimedia.org/
> wiki/Grants:Project/Improve_%27Upload_to_Commons%27_
> Android_App/Renewal#Budget_breakdown
>
>
> I think we should spend money for high-priority tasks such as building a
> copyright detection tool for mp3 files (which are coming soon), etc.
>
>
> Needless to say that most people on commons are not getting payed for
> building tools[1].
>
>
> --Steinsplitter
>
>
> [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Tools
>
> ------------------------------
> *Von:* Commons-l <[hidden email]> im Auftrag von
> Josephine Lim <[hidden email]>
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 18. Juli 2017 15:43
> *An:* [hidden email]; mobile-l;
[hidden email][hidden email]
> *Betreff:* Re: [Commons-l] Commons Android app - IEG renewal proposal
>
> Edit: Sorry for the lack of clarity in my previous post - the link to the
> renewal proposal is https://meta.wikimedia.org/
> wiki/Grants:Project/Improve_%27Upload_to_Commons%27_Android_App/Renewal .
> The other metawiki link is for the old/completed grant.
>
> Regards,
> Josephine
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