Re: Fwd: Biggest donation of photos in Italy - Paolo Monti (BEIC)

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Re: Fwd: Biggest donation of photos in Italy - Paolo Monti (BEIC)

ankry.wiki

Categorization of these images seems to be a big problem.
Category names shouldn't be in Italian.

Ankry

W dniu 2016-04-08 17:15:20 użytkownik Federico Leva (Nemo) <[hidden email]> napisał:

> Forwarding on request.
>
> Nemo-BEIC
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> --------  Messaggio inoltrato --------
> Oggetto: [cultural-partners] Biggest donation of photos in Italy - Paolo
> Monti (BEIC)
> Data: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:26:20 +0200
> Mittente: marcok
>
> Hi to all,
> I’m the Wikipedian in residence at the digital library of Fondazione
> BEIC, Milan, Italy.
>
> In the last days we at BEIC are uploading almost the entire photo
> archive of a notable Italian photographer, Paolo Monti, counting 15.000
> images.
> The whole archive was acquired by Fondazione BEIC in 2008.
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Photographs_by_Paolo_Monti
>
> For what I know, this is the biggest donation of images in one shot ever
> made in Italy. It’s also the first time that a digital archive from a
> famous photographer is almost completely uploaded into Commons.
>
> This notable result was possible thanks to the long-lasting
> collaboration between BEIC and Wikimedia Italia, started in 2014, and
> also thanks to the technical assistance of Federico Leva aka Nemo, the
> previous WiR at BEIC, now GLAM specialist at Wikimedia Italia.
>
> The photos of the Paolo Monti archive represent a variety of subjects
> (art, events, architecture, people, portraits, nature, artistic nudes,
> experimental) and were shot since 1950s to 1980s. Many of them are B/W,
> but there are also many fascinating colourful artistic/experimental
> pictures.
>
> We are now beginning to work on:
>   * fixing categories (often translating the basic original italian
> keywords into english Commons categories) and providing a more detailed
> categorization
>   * inserting useful images into Wikipedia articles (in italian, english
> and other languages)
>   * selecting the best photos to candidate them as "featured pictures”
> in Wikimedia Commons (only those with 2 Megapixel or more).
>
> Please help us, this is a huge work!
> If you have any other ideas on how the images may be used, let us know!
>
> Thank you,
>
> Marco Chemello
> Wikipedian in residence, Fondazione BEIC, Milan
> (also Wikipedian in residence at the Science Museum, Milan)
>
> See:
> http://www.beic.it/en/articles/digital-library
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:BEIC
> https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progetto:GLAM/BEIC (main project page)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/BEIC
> http://www.beic.it/en/node/1969 (Fondo Paolo Monti - in Italian)
>
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Re: Fwd: Biggest donation of photos in Italy - Paolo Monti (BEIC)

Federico Leva (Nemo)
ankry.wiki, 09/04/2016 00:10:
> Categorization of these images seems to be a big problem.
> Category names shouldn't be in Italian.

They will not be, see
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:BEIC#Work_in_progress .

Nemo-BEIC

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Re: Fwd: Biggest donation of photos in Italy - Paolo Monti (BEIC)

Fæ
There has been a lot of non-positive community feedback about
categorization. The plan that there are 5,000 red-link categories that
now need mapping/moving seems unrealistic in the short term,[1]
considering the relatively small active population of volunteers
interested in spending their time doing it. It's something that could
have been predicted and circumvented before upload, and it's not an
approach for batch uploads that should be thought of as normal -
imagine the fuss if this were 100,000 images or a million!

It strikes me that Commons' norms for larger batch uploads are hard
for newer mass uploaders to absorb, my own processes for upload
projects, some over ten times bigger than this one, have evolved a lot
through experimentation over the past 3 years, and I know I could
never write this down in a way that would be useful, apart from
pointing to past quietly successful projects that worked well and
might be similar. My projects relying on non-English metadata mapping
have been tricky, especially as I have no language skills, and tended
to re-enforce the view that Commons' way of forcing English categories
on everything, is something that ought to improve in the future.
Frankly, it's equally hard to imagine how this would be implemented in
a way that would not make categorization ridiculously arcane and
become a barrier for newer contributors in the way that seemed to be
the case for multilingual templates.

If the burndown of the category backlog stays an on-going issue, and
there are more complaints over the next week or two, it would be
beneficial to comment out all the red-links by bot and then leave
longer term housekeeping to roll on using hidden data that then does
not flood maintenance backlogs which appears the root cause of several
complaints in the past week.

Links
1. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:BEIC#Work_in_progress

Thanks,
Fae

On 10 April 2016 at 19:20, Federico Leva (Nemo) <[hidden email]> wrote:

> ankry.wiki, 09/04/2016 00:10:
>>
>> Categorization of these images seems to be a big problem.
>> Category names shouldn't be in Italian.
>
>
> They will not be, see
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:BEIC#Work_in_progress .
>
> Nemo-BEIC
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Re: Fwd: Biggest donation of photos in Italy - Paolo Monti (BEIC)

Sam Pablo Kuper
On 11/04/16 18:27, Fæ wrote:
> There has been a lot of non-positive community feedback about
> categorization.

I haven't been involved in this matter at all, but I want to say, as an
observer, that even if the categorisation of the images is proving to be
a headache, it is still very good that the images were donated.

So, thank you to the people who made the donation happen; and thank you
to everyone who is now tidying up the donation and making it more usable
for the community. Nobody is perfect, but all of you are wonderful!

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