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Mackenzie Lemieux
Thank you everyone for your comments and suggestions on the topic of
gaining access to deleted articles! I will reach out to [hidden email]
to inquire about researcher status.

I have one more question, do any of you know if there is a way to look at
the entire history of this page?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Academics_and_educators
If
I am unable to gain access to deleted articles, I figured I could try to
parse this page for data on factors leading to article flagging for
deletion, but I would need to go back in time longer than one month as the
page currently only goes back to June 18th.

let me know!

Warmly,
Mackenzie Lemieux

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 5:00 AM <[hidden email]>
wrote:

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>    1. Re: Requesting access to deleted pages for        research purposes
>       (WereSpielChequers)
>    2. CICM 2020,        July 26-31: Call for Online Participation
>       (Serge Autexier)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 16:05:07 +0100
> From: WereSpielChequers <[hidden email]>
> To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities
>         <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] Requesting access to deleted pages for
>         research purposes
> Message-ID:
>         <
> [hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Hi Mackenie,
>
> You may be correct in either or both of your hypotheses, but you might also
> want to check out two other related ones.
>
> 1 Some academic institutions may have an element of misogyny in their HR
> policies, leading to such situations as an academic becoming notable for
> their work to the point where they merit a Wikipedia article, before they
> become a full professor.
>
> 2 In Wikipedia's drive to address the gender skew in our content, we may
> have some editors creating articles on women who don't yet meet our
> notability criteria. Such articles are of course highly likely to be
> deleted.
>
> There is another way to approach this, check primary and secondary sources
> to see how Wikipedia compares against them. For example, we have articles
> on every female Fellow of the Royal Society, and we achieved that almost a
> decade ago. I don't know if we yet have articles on all the blokes..  I
> expect we have articles on every Nobel Prize Winner by now, but there will
> be less well known awards and lists of people in STEM.
>
> One problem in looking at deletion discussions is that they don't always
> say what the person is known for, and so you can have confusion between
> multiple people of the same name. I was once asked to restore a deleted
> article so that someone could look at what was there and see if they could
> make a clearer case re the notability of that eminent diplomat. After
> looking at the deleted article, I told them not to start from the deleted
> bit, and if it was the same person, to emphasise their subsequent career as
> a diplomat, rather than their adolescent career as a "pro skateboarder".
> So in order to find the articles on deleted female scientists, you either
> need a list of deleted female scientists, or to check a lot of other
> articles to find which are scientists.
>
> Hope that's useful
>
> WSC
>
> On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 00:17, Stuart A. Yeates <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I recently completed a project writing en.wiki articles for all female
> > and indigenous professors in my country, .nz.
> >
> > I now write pronounless biographies, because there were a significant
> > number whose gender wasn't apparent from their public persona. My
> > guess is that women and LGBTIA+ minorities are incentivised to remove
> > markers of their gender from their online presence to keep a lower
> > profile to avoid the trolls and bigots.
> >
> > There were also a number who clearly appeared to be a certain
> > ethnicity based on their staff photo, but where there were no reliable
> > sources as to that ethnicity.
> >
> > I also had a one person ask for their article to be deleted. [If this
> > is of interest I can send details to you directly, but I will not post
> > their details to a public forum and ask you refrain from this also.]
> >
> > I look forward to reading your experimental design taking these
> > factors into account.
> >
> > cheers
> > stuart
> > --
> > ...let us be heard from red core to black sky
> >
> > On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 06:43, Mackenzie Lemieux
> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Wiki Community,
> > >
> > > My name is Mackenzie Lemieux and I am a neuroscience researcher at the
> > Salk
> > > Institute for Biological Studies and I am interested in exploring
> biases
> > on
> > > Wikipedia.
> > >
> > > My research hypothesis is that gender or ethnicity mediate the rate of
> > > flagging and deletion of pages for women in STEM.  I hope to
> > > retrospectively analyze Wikipedia's deletion history, harvest the
> > > biographical articles about scientists that have been created over the
> > past
> > > n years and then confirm the gender and ethnicity of a large sample.
> > >
> > > It appears that we can identify deleted pages with Wikipedia's deletion
> > log
> > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_log>, but to
> actually
> > see
> > > the page that was deleted we need to be members of one of these
> Wikipedia
> > > user groups:  Administrators
> > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators>, Oversighters
> > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Oversight>, Researchers
> > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Researchers>, Checkusers
> > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CheckUser>.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have advice on how to obtain researcher status or is there
> > > anyone willing to collaborate who has access to the data we need?
> > >
> > > Warmly,
> > > Mackenzie Lemieux
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mackenzie Lemieux
> > > [hidden email]
> > > cell: 416-806-0041
> > > 220 Gilmour Avenue
> > > Toronto, Ontario
> > > M6P 3B4
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Wiki-research-l mailing list
> > > [hidden email]
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wiki-research-l mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:25:34 +0200 (CEST)
> From: [hidden email] (Serge Autexier)
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Wiki-research-l] CICM 2020,   July 26-31: Call for Online
>         Participation
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> =====================================================================
>
>                         CALL FOR PARTICIPATION
>
>      CICM 2020 -- Conference on Intelligent Computer Mathematics
>
>                   https://cicm-conference.org/2020/
>
> Due to the Covid-19 outbreak, CICM 2020 is held as an online conference
>
> ======================================================================
>
> GENERAL INFORMATION
> -------------------
>
> Digital and  computational solutions are becoming  the prevalent means
> for the generation, communication, processing, storage and curation of
> mathematical  information.  Separate  communities  have  developed  to
> investigate  and build  computer based  systems for  computer algebra,
> automated deduction, and mathematical publishing as well as novel user
> interfaces. While all of these systems excel in their own right, their
> integration  can   lead  to   synergies  offering   significant  added
> value.  The  Conference  on Intelligent  Computer  Mathematics  (CICM)
> offers a  venue for discussing  and developing solutions to  the great
> challenges posed by the integration of these diverse areas.
>
> REGISTRATION
> ------------
>
> The  conference and  the  affiliated events  will  take place  online.
> Registration is free of charge.  However, registration is mandatory to
> attend the talks.
>
> Please fill this form to register for CICM 2020:
>
>                  https://forms.gle/oS5BVGDf6LgDGDiK8
>
>
> SCIENTIFIC PROGRAM
> ------------------
>
> The program of the conference is available under:
>
>              https://easychair.org/smart-program/CICM-13/
>
> (all times are in CEST timezone (UTC+2))
>
>
> INVITED SPEAKERS
> ------------------------
>
> - Kevin Buzzard, Imperial College, London, UK
>   Formalizing Undergraduate Mathematics
>
> - Catherine Dubois, ENSIIE, CNRS, Evry, France
>   Formally Verified Constraints Solvers: a Guided Tour
>
> - Christian Szegedy, Google Research, Mountain View, CA, USA
>   A Promising  Path Towards  Autoformalization and  General Artificial
>   Intelligence
>
>
> INVITED WORKSHOP SPEAKERS
> -------------------------
>
> - Freek Wiedijk, Radboud University Nijmegen, NL
>   Formal Proof for the Future
>
> - Fairouz Kamareddine, Heriot-Watt University, UK
>   TBA
>
>
>
> AFFILIATED WORKSHOPS AND DOCTORAL PROGRAMME
> ---------------------------------------
>
> - NFM 2020 - Workshop on Natural Formal Mathematics
>   (https://cicm-conference.org/2020/cicm.php?event=NFM)
>
> - Doctoral Programme
>   (https://cicm-conference.org/2020/cicm.php?event=doctoral)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Digest Footer
>
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>
> End of Wiki-research-l Digest, Vol 179, Issue 7
> ***********************************************
>


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220 Gilmour Avenue
Toronto, Ontario
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Re: Wiki-research-l Digest, Vol 179, Issue 7

Nicholas Moreau
Hi,

At the top of that page, (20 | 50 | 100 | 250 | 500) allows you to control
how many edits are listed at a time, and "older 50" will show you the next
set of edits. That said, I prefer the desktop version, as the design is
more compact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Academics_and_educators&action=history

Here's the 5000 most recent edits, a few years at once:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Academics_and_educators&offset=&limit=5000&action=history

Nick



On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 8:32 PM Mackenzie Lemieux <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thank you everyone for your comments and suggestions on the topic of
> gaining access to deleted articles! I will reach out to
> [hidden email]
> to inquire about researcher status.
>
> I have one more question, do any of you know if there is a way to look at
> the entire history of this page?
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Academics_and_educators
> If
> I am unable to gain access to deleted articles, I figured I could try to
> parse this page for data on factors leading to article flagging for
> deletion, but I would need to go back in time longer than one month as the
> page currently only goes back to June 18th.
>
> let me know!
>
> Warmly,
> Mackenzie Lemieux
>
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Re: Wiki-research-l Digest, Vol 179, Issue 7

WereSpielChequers-2
In reply to this post by Mackenzie Lemieux
Hi Mackenzie,

I've looked at the logs and nothing has been deleted from the history of
that page.

But rather than wade through the history, you might want to go to the
archives, they are linked from the top of the page,and  they go back to
2007, so they cover two thirds of the life of Wikipeda, and the era when
four fifths of all the edits Wikipedai has ever had have taken place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Academics_and_educators/archiveand


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Academics_and_educators/archive_2
Regards

Jonathan

On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 at 01:32, Mackenzie Lemieux <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Thank you everyone for your comments and suggestions on the topic of
> gaining access to deleted articles! I will reach out to
> [hidden email]
> to inquire about researcher status.
>
> I have one more question, do any of you know if there is a way to look at
> the entire history of this page?
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Academics_and_educators
> If
> I am unable to gain access to deleted articles, I figured I could try to
> parse this page for data on factors leading to article flagging for
> deletion, but I would need to go back in time longer than one month as the
> page currently only goes back to June 18th.
>
> let me know!
>
> Warmly,
> Mackenzie Lemieux
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 5:00 AM <
> [hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Send Wiki-research-l mailing list submissions to
> >         [hidden email]
> >
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >         https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >         [hidden email]
> >
> > You can reach the person managing the list at
> >         [hidden email]
> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of Wiki-research-l digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. Re: Requesting access to deleted pages for        research purposes
> >       (WereSpielChequers)
> >    2. CICM 2020,        July 26-31: Call for Online Participation
> >       (Serge Autexier)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 16:05:07 +0100
> > From: WereSpielChequers <[hidden email]>
> > To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities
> >         <[hidden email]>
> > Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] Requesting access to deleted pages for
> >         research purposes
> > Message-ID:
> >         <
> > [hidden email]>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Hi Mackenie,
> >
> > You may be correct in either or both of your hypotheses, but you might
> also
> > want to check out two other related ones.
> >
> > 1 Some academic institutions may have an element of misogyny in their HR
> > policies, leading to such situations as an academic becoming notable for
> > their work to the point where they merit a Wikipedia article, before they
> > become a full professor.
> >
> > 2 In Wikipedia's drive to address the gender skew in our content, we may
> > have some editors creating articles on women who don't yet meet our
> > notability criteria. Such articles are of course highly likely to be
> > deleted.
> >
> > There is another way to approach this, check primary and secondary
> sources
> > to see how Wikipedia compares against them. For example, we have articles
> > on every female Fellow of the Royal Society, and we achieved that almost
> a
> > decade ago. I don't know if we yet have articles on all the blokes..  I
> > expect we have articles on every Nobel Prize Winner by now, but there
> will
> > be less well known awards and lists of people in STEM.
> >
> > One problem in looking at deletion discussions is that they don't always
> > say what the person is known for, and so you can have confusion between
> > multiple people of the same name. I was once asked to restore a deleted
> > article so that someone could look at what was there and see if they
> could
> > make a clearer case re the notability of that eminent diplomat. After
> > looking at the deleted article, I told them not to start from the deleted
> > bit, and if it was the same person, to emphasise their subsequent career
> as
> > a diplomat, rather than their adolescent career as a "pro skateboarder".
> > So in order to find the articles on deleted female scientists, you either
> > need a list of deleted female scientists, or to check a lot of other
> > articles to find which are scientists.
> >
> > Hope that's useful
> >
> > WSC
> >
> > On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 00:17, Stuart A. Yeates <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I recently completed a project writing en.wiki articles for all female
> > > and indigenous professors in my country, .nz.
> > >
> > > I now write pronounless biographies, because there were a significant
> > > number whose gender wasn't apparent from their public persona. My
> > > guess is that women and LGBTIA+ minorities are incentivised to remove
> > > markers of their gender from their online presence to keep a lower
> > > profile to avoid the trolls and bigots.
> > >
> > > There were also a number who clearly appeared to be a certain
> > > ethnicity based on their staff photo, but where there were no reliable
> > > sources as to that ethnicity.
> > >
> > > I also had a one person ask for their article to be deleted. [If this
> > > is of interest I can send details to you directly, but I will not post
> > > their details to a public forum and ask you refrain from this also.]
> > >
> > > I look forward to reading your experimental design taking these
> > > factors into account.
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > stuart
> > > --
> > > ...let us be heard from red core to black sky
> > >
> > > On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 06:43, Mackenzie Lemieux
> > > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Wiki Community,
> > > >
> > > > My name is Mackenzie Lemieux and I am a neuroscience researcher at
> the
> > > Salk
> > > > Institute for Biological Studies and I am interested in exploring
> > biases
> > > on
> > > > Wikipedia.
> > > >
> > > > My research hypothesis is that gender or ethnicity mediate the rate
> of
> > > > flagging and deletion of pages for women in STEM.  I hope to
> > > > retrospectively analyze Wikipedia's deletion history, harvest the
> > > > biographical articles about scientists that have been created over
> the
> > > past
> > > > n years and then confirm the gender and ethnicity of a large sample.
> > > >
> > > > It appears that we can identify deleted pages with Wikipedia's
> deletion
> > > log
> > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_log>, but to
> > actually
> > > see
> > > > the page that was deleted we need to be members of one of these
> > Wikipedia
> > > > user groups:  Administrators
> > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators>,
> Oversighters
> > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Oversight>, Researchers
> > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Researchers>, Checkusers
> > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CheckUser>.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have advice on how to obtain researcher status or is
> there
> > > > anyone willing to collaborate who has access to the data we need?
> > > >
> > > > Warmly,
> > > > Mackenzie Lemieux
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Mackenzie Lemieux
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > cell: 416-806-0041
> > > > 220 Gilmour Avenue
> > > > Toronto, Ontario
> > > > M6P 3B4
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Wiki-research-l mailing list
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Wiki-research-l mailing list
> > > [hidden email]
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
> > >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:25:34 +0200 (CEST)
> > From: [hidden email] (Serge Autexier)
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: [Wiki-research-l] CICM 2020,   July 26-31: Call for Online
> >         Participation
> > Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > =====================================================================
> >
> >                         CALL FOR PARTICIPATION
> >
> >      CICM 2020 -- Conference on Intelligent Computer Mathematics
> >
> >                   https://cicm-conference.org/2020/
> >
> > Due to the Covid-19 outbreak, CICM 2020 is held as an online conference
> >
> > ======================================================================
> >
> > GENERAL INFORMATION
> > -------------------
> >
> > Digital and  computational solutions are becoming  the prevalent means
> > for the generation, communication, processing, storage and curation of
> > mathematical  information.  Separate  communities  have  developed  to
> > investigate  and build  computer based  systems for  computer algebra,
> > automated deduction, and mathematical publishing as well as novel user
> > interfaces. While all of these systems excel in their own right, their
> > integration  can   lead  to   synergies  offering   significant  added
> > value.  The  Conference  on Intelligent  Computer  Mathematics  (CICM)
> > offers a  venue for discussing  and developing solutions to  the great
> > challenges posed by the integration of these diverse areas.
> >
> > REGISTRATION
> > ------------
> >
> > The  conference and  the  affiliated events  will  take place  online.
> > Registration is free of charge.  However, registration is mandatory to
> > attend the talks.
> >
> > Please fill this form to register for CICM 2020:
> >
> >                  https://forms.gle/oS5BVGDf6LgDGDiK8
> >
> >
> > SCIENTIFIC PROGRAM
> > ------------------
> >
> > The program of the conference is available under:
> >
> >              https://easychair.org/smart-program/CICM-13/
> >
> > (all times are in CEST timezone (UTC+2))
> >
> >
> > INVITED SPEAKERS
> > ------------------------
> >
> > - Kevin Buzzard, Imperial College, London, UK
> >   Formalizing Undergraduate Mathematics
> >
> > - Catherine Dubois, ENSIIE, CNRS, Evry, France
> >   Formally Verified Constraints Solvers: a Guided Tour
> >
> > - Christian Szegedy, Google Research, Mountain View, CA, USA
> >   A Promising  Path Towards  Autoformalization and  General Artificial
> >   Intelligence
> >
> >
> > INVITED WORKSHOP SPEAKERS
> > -------------------------
> >
> > - Freek Wiedijk, Radboud University Nijmegen, NL
> >   Formal Proof for the Future
> >
> > - Fairouz Kamareddine, Heriot-Watt University, UK
> >   TBA
> >
> >
> >
> > AFFILIATED WORKSHOPS AND DOCTORAL PROGRAMME
> > ---------------------------------------
> >
> > - NFM 2020 - Workshop on Natural Formal Mathematics
> >   (https://cicm-conference.org/2020/cicm.php?event=NFM)
> >
> > - Doctoral Programme
> >   (https://cicm-conference.org/2020/cicm.php?event=doctoral)
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Subject: Digest Footer
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wiki-research-l mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > End of Wiki-research-l Digest, Vol 179, Issue 7
> > ***********************************************
> >
>
>
> --
> Mackenzie Lemieux
> [hidden email]
> cell: 416-806-0041
> 220 Gilmour Avenue
> Toronto, Ontario
> M6P 3B4
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Re: Wiki-research-l Digest, Vol 179, Issue 7

WereSpielChequers-2
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Dear MacKenzie,

One other thing re those AFD logs, AFD is only one of our deletion
processes, and possibly not the most important one for your purposes.

AFD is a seven day process for articles that are expected to be contentious
deletions. We have other processes that are supposed to be for less
contentious subjects, I suspect that many, possibly most of the articles on
academics that get deleted are via the speedy deletion process, in
particular by code A7 "no credible assertion of importance or
significance". I have seen people argue that merely being a university
professor is not a credible assertion of importance or significance, and
less contentiously (in Wikipedia terms) if the only claim of significance
in an article is that someone is an assistant professor, then I would not
be surprised if the article was deleted per A7.

One problem with articles being deleted per A7 is that unless you can look
at the article you usually don't know whether the article was about the
academic you were interested in or the adolescent "pro skateboarder" of the
same name. Prod and BLPProd will be similar, though I doubt many articles
about academics will have been deleted per BLPProd as that is for
completely unsourced biographies of living people.

Regards

WereSpielChequers

On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 at 01:32, Mackenzie Lemieux <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Thank you everyone for your comments and suggestions on the topic of
> gaining access to deleted articles! I will reach out to
> [hidden email]
> to inquire about researcher status.
>
> I have one more question, do any of you know if there is a way to look at
> the entire history of this page?
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Academics_and_educators
> If
> I am unable to gain access to deleted articles, I figured I could try to
> parse this page for data on factors leading to article flagging for
> deletion, but I would need to go back in time longer than one month as the
> page currently only goes back to June 18th.
>
> let me know!
>
> Warmly,
> Mackenzie Lemieux
>
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> >    1. Re: Requesting access to deleted pages for        research purposes
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> > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 16:05:07 +0100
> > From: WereSpielChequers <[hidden email]>
> > To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities
> >         <[hidden email]>
> > Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] Requesting access to deleted pages for
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> > Hi Mackenie,
> >
> > You may be correct in either or both of your hypotheses, but you might
> also
> > want to check out two other related ones.
> >
> > 1 Some academic institutions may have an element of misogyny in their HR
> > policies, leading to such situations as an academic becoming notable for
> > their work to the point where they merit a Wikipedia article, before they
> > become a full professor.
> >
> > 2 In Wikipedia's drive to address the gender skew in our content, we may
> > have some editors creating articles on women who don't yet meet our
> > notability criteria. Such articles are of course highly likely to be
> > deleted.
> >
> > There is another way to approach this, check primary and secondary
> sources
> > to see how Wikipedia compares against them. For example, we have articles
> > on every female Fellow of the Royal Society, and we achieved that almost
> a
> > decade ago. I don't know if we yet have articles on all the blokes..  I
> > expect we have articles on every Nobel Prize Winner by now, but there
> will
> > be less well known awards and lists of people in STEM.
> >
> > One problem in looking at deletion discussions is that they don't always
> > say what the person is known for, and so you can have confusion between
> > multiple people of the same name. I was once asked to restore a deleted
> > article so that someone could look at what was there and see if they
> could
> > make a clearer case re the notability of that eminent diplomat. After
> > looking at the deleted article, I told them not to start from the deleted
> > bit, and if it was the same person, to emphasise their subsequent career
> as
> > a diplomat, rather than their adolescent career as a "pro skateboarder".
> > So in order to find the articles on deleted female scientists, you either
> > need a list of deleted female scientists, or to check a lot of other
> > articles to find which are scientists.
> >
> > Hope that's useful
> >
> > WSC
> >
> > On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 00:17, Stuart A. Yeates <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I recently completed a project writing en.wiki articles for all female
> > > and indigenous professors in my country, .nz.
> > >
> > > I now write pronounless biographies, because there were a significant
> > > number whose gender wasn't apparent from their public persona. My
> > > guess is that women and LGBTIA+ minorities are incentivised to remove
> > > markers of their gender from their online presence to keep a lower
> > > profile to avoid the trolls and bigots.
> > >
> > > There were also a number who clearly appeared to be a certain
> > > ethnicity based on their staff photo, but where there were no reliable
> > > sources as to that ethnicity.
> > >
> > > I also had a one person ask for their article to be deleted. [If this
> > > is of interest I can send details to you directly, but I will not post
> > > their details to a public forum and ask you refrain from this also.]
> > >
> > > I look forward to reading your experimental design taking these
> > > factors into account.
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > stuart
> > > --
> > > ...let us be heard from red core to black sky
> > >
> > > On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 06:43, Mackenzie Lemieux
> > > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Wiki Community,
> > > >
> > > > My name is Mackenzie Lemieux and I am a neuroscience researcher at
> the
> > > Salk
> > > > Institute for Biological Studies and I am interested in exploring
> > biases
> > > on
> > > > Wikipedia.
> > > >
> > > > My research hypothesis is that gender or ethnicity mediate the rate
> of
> > > > flagging and deletion of pages for women in STEM.  I hope to
> > > > retrospectively analyze Wikipedia's deletion history, harvest the
> > > > biographical articles about scientists that have been created over
> the
> > > past
> > > > n years and then confirm the gender and ethnicity of a large sample.
> > > >
> > > > It appears that we can identify deleted pages with Wikipedia's
> deletion
> > > log
> > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_log>, but to
> > actually
> > > see
> > > > the page that was deleted we need to be members of one of these
> > Wikipedia
> > > > user groups:  Administrators
> > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators>,
> Oversighters
> > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Oversight>, Researchers
> > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Researchers>, Checkusers
> > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CheckUser>.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have advice on how to obtain researcher status or is
> there
> > > > anyone willing to collaborate who has access to the data we need?
> > > >
> > > > Warmly,
> > > > Mackenzie Lemieux
> > > >
> > > >
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> > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:25:34 +0200 (CEST)
> > From: [hidden email] (Serge Autexier)
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> > Subject: [Wiki-research-l] CICM 2020,   July 26-31: Call for Online
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