Re: [Wikimedia-l] Legality under French law of hosting personal details such as race and sexuality in Wikipedia

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Legality under French law of hosting personal details such as race and sexuality in Wikipedia

Andreas Kolbe-2
I've been told (and have verified) that the French Wikipedia indeed does
without categories to mark people as Jewish, LGBT, etc.

I actually quite like that approach.



On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Anthony <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Andreas Kolbe <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > The question at issue is whether French Wikimedians might be individually
> > liable for violating French law if they add such categories in Wikipedia.
>
> Seems possible.
>
> Fortunately, Wikipedia offers both https and the ability to contribute
> anonymously, for those who are worried about this sort of thing.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Legality under French law of hosting personal details such as race and sexuality in Wikipedia

Wyatt Lucas
What about infoboxes and leads? They must mention ethnicity, religion, sexuality, etc. somewhere.

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On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:27 PM, Andreas Kolbe <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I've been told (and have verified) that the French Wikipedia indeed does
> without categories to mark people as Jewish, LGBT, etc.
>
> I actually quite like that approach.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Anthony <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Andreas Kolbe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> The question at issue is whether French Wikimedians might be individually
>>> liable for violating French law if they add such categories in Wikipedia.
>>
>> Seems possible.
>>
>> Fortunately, Wikipedia offers both https and the ability to contribute
>> anonymously, for those who are worried about this sort of thing.
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Legality under French law of hosting personal details such as race and sexuality in Wikipedia

John Mark Vandenberg
If the prose has a citation, someone is has published these details first,
and should have obtained consent.
 On Aug 20, 2012 7:55 AM, "Wyatt Lucas" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> What about infoboxes and leads? They must mention ethnicity, religion,
> sexuality, etc. somewhere.
>
> --
> ~~yutsi
> Sent from my iPhone.
>
> On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:27 PM, Andreas Kolbe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I've been told (and have verified) that the French Wikipedia indeed does
> > without categories to mark people as Jewish, LGBT, etc.
> >
> > I actually quite like that approach.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Anthony <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Andreas Kolbe <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >>> The question at issue is whether French Wikimedians might be
> individually
> >>> liable for violating French law if they add such categories in
> Wikipedia.
> >>
> >> Seems possible.
> >>
> >> Fortunately, Wikipedia offers both https and the ability to contribute
> >> anonymously, for those who are worried about this sort of thing.
> >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Legality under French law of hosting personal details such as race and sexuality in Wikipedia

Andreas Kolbe-2
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On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Wyatt Lucas <[hidden email]> wrote:

> What about infoboxes and leads? They must mention ethnicity, religion,
> sexuality, etc. somewhere.
>
> --
> ~~yutsi
> Sent from my iPhone.



To give some examples:

The article on Steven Spielberg says in the section on his films that his
own Jewish descent has been a factor in the critical reception of his work.

The one on Woody Allen says in the lead that his work presents a caricature
of the intellectual New York Jew, and says in the biography that he is
descended from German-speaking Russian-Austrian Jews.

The one on Ed Miliband says under "Family" that his parents were Polish
Jews who fled from Belgium during the second World War.

The one on Jeff Goldblum mentions that he is from a Jewish Orthodox family,
and played a Jewish character in one of his films.

These are the only mentions of the word juif/juive (Jew/Jewish) on the
respective pages. No categories and no infobox statements about Jewishness.
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