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Re: Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 32, Issue 111

Basavaraj Itnal
Could this be useful to the article on Garuda Mall?

BBMP has worked hard to give away 15 acres of its land in Koramangala in bangalore, for free to a dubious company and in the process sacrifice the welfare of 1600 families. read my article below.

http://www.talkmag.in/cms/mauled
 
Basavaraj N Itnal


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: The first legal threaten against Wikipedia India !
      (Bishakha Datta)
   2. Re: The first legal threaten against Wikipedia India !
      (Yann Forget)
   3. Re: The first legal threaten against Wikipedia India !
      (Srikanth Ramakrishnan)
   4. Re: The first legal threaten against Wikipedia India !
      (CherianTinu Abraham)


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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 12:29:05 +0530
From: Bishakha Datta <[hidden email]>
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On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Theo10011 <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Ask any OTRS volunteer about threats like these, this is nothing compared
> to the threats we get on a daily basis.
>
>
What are the kinds of threats OTRS volunteers get? Just curious.

Bishakha
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 13:00:11 +0530
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Hello,

2011/2/26 Bishakha Datta <[hidden email]>:
> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Theo10011 <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Ask any OTRS volunteer about threats like these, this is nothing compared
>> to the threats we get on a daily basis.
>
> What are the kinds of threats OTRS volunteers get? Just curious.

I am not an OTRS volunteer, but in April 2010 I got a real threat
because of my work on Wikisource.

Gallimard, one of the biggest and most famous French publisher, sent
me a registered letter (yes, here in India!) threatening to sue me if
the texts it claims a copyright on were not quickly deleted. It also
sent the same to the Wikimedia Foundation. The texts were deleted
after a request by Mike Godwin, WMF lawyer. I made a counter-notice
and the texts were undeleted in June 2010. Gallimard found my IRL
address on Facebook, as I have a link to my Facebook profile on my
Wikisource home page.

The deleted texts are copyrighted in France, but not in USA, and not
in India, so there are legally hosted by the WMF in USA, and I am
legally entitled to publish them on Wikisource, as a resident in
India.

In fact, I expected Gallimard to try to sue me in France, which would
not have much real effect on Wikisource, but would be quite annoying
for me if I go back to France. But I never received any news from the
publisher after I sent them a letter saying that they business model
is outdated, and they should find better way to promote French
literature.

> Bishakha

Regards,

Yann



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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 14:47:00 +0530
From: Srikanth Ramakrishnan <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] The first legal threaten against
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As an editor, and a counter vandal, here is my opinion:
What he did would come under blatant vandalism, as he DID NOT source his
edits, and defamed living people without any base. Had he provided a
reliable source, I might've considered reading it.
Regards,

On 26 February 2011 13:00, Yann Forget <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> 2011/2/26 Bishakha Datta <[hidden email]>:
> > On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Theo10011 <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ask any OTRS volunteer about threats like these, this is nothing
> compared
> >> to the threats we get on a daily basis.
> >
> > What are the kinds of threats OTRS volunteers get? Just curious.
>
> I am not an OTRS volunteer, but in April 2010 I got a real threat
> because of my work on Wikisource.
>
> Gallimard, one of the biggest and most famous French publisher, sent
> me a registered letter (yes, here in India!) threatening to sue me if
> the texts it claims a copyright on were not quickly deleted. It also
> sent the same to the Wikimedia Foundation. The texts were deleted
> after a request by Mike Godwin, WMF lawyer. I made a counter-notice
> and the texts were undeleted in June 2010. Gallimard found my IRL
> address on Facebook, as I have a link to my Facebook profile on my
> Wikisource home page.
>
> The deleted texts are copyrighted in France, but not in USA, and not
> in India, so there are legally hosted by the WMF in USA, and I am
> legally entitled to publish them on Wikisource, as a resident in
> India.
>
> In fact, I expected Gallimard to try to sue me in France, which would
> not have much real effect on Wikisource, but would be quite annoying
> for me if I go back to France. But I never received any news from the
> publisher after I sent them a letter saying that they business model
> is outdated, and they should find better way to promote French
> literature.
>
> > Bishakha
>
> Regards,
>
> Yann
>
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 14:49:08 +0530
From: CherianTinu Abraham <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] The first legal threaten against
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Not really!

We are closely following another case on another Wikipedian ( yes , in India
) who was reverting the removal of controversial section by the company
itself ( not even with logged username, but as IP editor) on its Wikipedia
article and now facing cyber crime charges and an FIR is already in place.
You may want to talk to him and will know it is not easy and simple as you
may think, especially going to the police station each time.

My note on this below incident was originally sent to a closed mailing list
and wasn't really meant to be forwarded to publicly archived mailing list.
Just to clarify.

Thanks
Tinu Cherian


On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Theo10011 <[hidden email]> wrote:

> heh, this seems like a gross over-reaction to a facebook post. You are
> giving this person undue attention by even mentioning this in a publicly
> archived mailing list. If the foundation were to pay attention to every
> random forum posting or allegations like this it would never find the time
> to do anything else.
>
> Ask any OTRS volunteer about threats like these, this is nothing compared
> to the threats we get on a daily basis.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
>> While legal counsel might be important, I think the blowing the facebook
>> comments out of proportion IMHO is WP:UNDUE.
>>
>> Regards
>> Srikanth.L
>> http://srik.me
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 09:31, Gautam John <[hidden email]>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tinu:
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting this - yes, legal counsel and a risk assessment is
>>> something we are actively looking at doing - a question, would the community
>>> know if this has ever happened or threatened to happen earlier or is this
>>> the first example?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Gautam
>>> ________
>>> http://social.prathambooks.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26 February 2011 08:44, CherianTinu Abraham <[hidden email]>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here you go ! The first legal threaten against Wikipedia India !
>>>>
>>>> To set the context to those who were not  reading the thread of
>>>> WikimediaIndia facebook page,
>>>>
>>>> Basavaraj Itnal [1] is a senior journalist from Bangalore. He is in
>>>> a campaign against an alleged land-grabbing and scam by a popular mall owner
>>>> in Bangalore. He did write articles on this in the publications he is
>>>> associated with. He even added information earlier to Wikipedia article of
>>>> Garuda Mall [2] and apparently was blocked once ( by an Indian admin with a
>>>> pseudo name ? ) .
>>>> He also attended one of the Bangalore Wiki-meetups recently. After that
>>>> he shifted to focus to fight his POV to Wikimedia India Facebook recently.
>>>> [3] and also pushing it on the article [4] . Of late he is threatening to
>>>> sue Wikipedia and Wikimedia admins. Knowing his aggressiveness, i don't
>>>> think he can be taken lightly.
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure whether he is intending to sue against the Wikimedia
>>>> Foundation, ( office in India ) or India chapter or individuals from India
>>>> who are admins ( OMG, that includes me :) )
>>>>
>>>> Time for a legal contact in India ?
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Tinu Cherian
>>>>
>>>> P.S.I couldn't find the contact mail id of Geoffrey Brigham, the new
>>>> legal counsel of the Foundation.
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://twitter.com/#!/basavarajitnal
>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/basavaraj-itnal/23/a9b/4b9
>>>> http://www.facebook.com/people/Basavaraj-Itnal/100000540087375
>>>> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garuda_Mall
>>>> [3] http://www.facebook.com/WikimediaIndia?sk=wall&filter=12
>>>> [4]
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Garuda_Mall&action=historysubmit&diff=410530901&oldid=410529958
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Facebook <
>>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  facebook<http://www.facebook.com/n/?WikimediaIndia%2Fposts%2F184893818213619&mid=3d1f826G29075287G520915G37&bcode=Qp9JF&n_m=tinucherian%40gmail.com>
>>>>> Hi Cherian,
>>>>> Basavaraj Itnal commented on WikimediaIndia's wall post.
>>>>> Basavaraj wrote: "anyways, while i respect what you guys are doing, i
>>>>> am actively looking for a legal recourse to make wiki admins accountable and
>>>>> available to legal action. as for Garuda issue is concerned after doubting
>>>>> the veracity of my documents without verifying them and without again cross
>>>>> checking with the govt, they just made a small correction saying Garuda Mall
>>>>> land is owned by bruhat bengaluru mahanagar palike. :)"
>>>>>
>>>>> See the comment thread<http://www.facebook.com/n/?WikimediaIndia%2Fposts%2F184893818213619&mid=3d1f826G29075287G520915G37&bcode=Qp9JF&n_m=tinucherian%40gmail.com>
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