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Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia

Unfortunate factor is when techonology is at our hand to preserve our languages we are loosing this battle in our minds .English is great but can not surpass rules of nature and economics.If you teach only engish to everybody it will become latin with new regional offshoot languagescoming up,Secondly economis says if one makes teaching in english only your target,one will produce english speaking beggers too.

 

In old Indian trains there was a crowd mentality until you get entry in train bogey you fight for entry until you get a sit to sit you fight for a sit ,but once you get that dont bother about others close train compartment door on others who are stranding outside .Still Indias vast majiority studies and understand vernaculars only but we have reached to such a destination we no more bother to think about others lagging behind ,may be because our destination is still not arrived.


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Whats the real advantage of Wikis in our	mother tongues?
      (Bernard Massot)
   2. Re: Whats the real advantage of Wikis in our	mother tongues?
      (Pradeep Makineni)
   3. Re: Whats the real advantage of Wikis in our	mother tongues?
      (Shiju Alex)
   4. Re: Whats the real advantage of Wikis in our	mother tongues?
      (Nicholas)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:57:50 +0100
From: Bernard Massot <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Whats the real advantage of Wikis in
	our	mother tongues?
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On Sun, Feb 10, 2008 at 12:05:18PM +0530, Pradeep Makineni wrote:
> What would you tell, if are going to answer these questions or
> concerns?  Note that most (or all) of wikipedians who contribute to
> Indian language wikipedias are fluent in English also.  And I believe,
> most of the folks who read (if any) these wikipedias are also fluent
> in English.
People always feel more comfortable with their native language.

Also, as you wrote, "most of" them also speak English, not all of
them.
There are Indians who good access Internet but don't speak English. For
instance a part of NRIs living in non-English speaking countries.

AFAIK it's currently impossible to use computers with knowing only
Indian languages so that would make knowing English a prerequisite to
accessing Wikipedia. However we could imagine people having access to a
printed version of Wikipedia.

But that's right, educated rich Indians thinking English is a
"better"
language than their own native language is a big obstacle to Indian
Wikipedias...
-- 
Bernard Massot



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:42:11 +0530
From: "Pradeep Makineni" <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Whats the real advantage of Wikis in
	our	mother tongues?
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Thank you Gerard and Bernard.

I completely agree with your thoughts.  These would be some of the points I
will consider when someone asks me "Why Wikipedia in Indian
languages".  I
even have some examples where parents who send their kids to English medium
schools, clarify their child's questions in their native language but not
in
English.  This would show how it is easier to express in native language
than in other languages, especially when we are talking with children.

On Feb 10, 2008 10:27 PM, Bernard Massot <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 10, 2008 at 12:05:18PM +0530, Pradeep Makineni wrote:
> > What would you tell, if are going to answer these questions or
> > concerns?  Note that most (or all) of wikipedians who contribute to
> > Indian language wikipedias are fluent in English also.  And I
believe,
> > most of the folks who read (if any) these wikipedias are also fluent
> > in English.
> People always feel more comfortable with their native language.
>
> Also, as you wrote, "most of" them also speak English, not all
of them.
> There are Indians who good access Internet but don't speak English.
For
> instance a part of NRIs living in non-English speaking countries.
>
> AFAIK it's currently impossible to use computers with knowing only
> Indian languages so that would make knowing English a prerequisite to
> accessing Wikipedia. However we could imagine people having access to a
> printed version of Wikipedia.
>
> But that's right, educated rich Indians thinking English is a
"better"
> language than their own native language is a big obstacle to Indian
> Wikipedias...
> --
> Bernard Massot
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list
> [hidden email]
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-- 
Pradeep Makineni
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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:25:03 +0530
From: "Shiju Alex" <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Whats the real advantage of Wikis in
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>
> educated rich Indians thinking English is a "better" language
than their
> own native language is a big obstacle to Indian Wikipedias...
>



 This is really true. This is one of the biggest obstacle that all the
Indian language wikies are facing. I have also got the same type of answers
as Pradeep got.

Moreover, it is very sad to note that most of these educated rich young
generation (read convent educated, city dwellers, and so on) are *Mother
Tongue Illiterates*. *And they are feeling proud about it.*

*Mother Tongue Illiteracy* is growing among educated Indians. This is one of
the biggest obstacle.

Regards
Shiju Alex


On 2/11/08, Pradeep Makineni <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Thank you Gerard and Bernard.
>
> I completely agree with your thoughts.  These would be some of the points
> I will consider when someone asks me "Why Wikipedia in Indian
languages".  I
> even have some examples where parents who send their kids to English
medium
> schools, clarify their child's questions in their native language but
not in
> English.  This would show how it is easier to express in native language
> than in other languages, especially when we are talking with children.
>
> On Feb 10, 2008 10:27 PM, Bernard Massot <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Feb 10, 2008 at 12:05:18PM +0530, Pradeep Makineni wrote:
> > > What would you tell, if are going to answer these questions or
> > > concerns?  Note that most (or all) of wikipedians who contribute
to
> > > Indian language wikipedias are fluent in English also.  And I
believe,
> > > most of the folks who read (if any) these wikipedias are also
fluent
> > > in English.
> >
> > People always feel more comfortable with their native language.
> >
> > Also, as you wrote, "most of" them also speak English, not
all of them.
> > There are Indians who good access Internet but don't speak
English. For
> > instance a part of NRIs living in non-English speaking countries.
> >
> > AFAIK it's currently impossible to use computers with knowing
only
> > Indian languages so that would make knowing English a prerequisite to
> > accessing Wikipedia. However we could imagine people having access to
a
> > printed version of Wikipedia.
> >
> > But that's right, educated rich Indians thinking English is a
"better"
> > language than their own native language is a big obstacle to Indian
> > Wikipedias...
> > --
> > Bernard Massot
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Pradeep Makineni
> _______________________________________________
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> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
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>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:46:53 +0530
From: Nicholas <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Whats the real advantage of Wikis in
	our	mother tongues?
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I have an observation to make. It is an excellent goal to make available
content to the masses in regional languages, but does the content uphold the
same principles as the english wiki does? viz- neutrality, brilliant prose
and so on?

I remember accessing the Marathi wikipedia a year back, and content there
was parochial and limited. Are there any suggestions to counteract this
scenario from happening?

Regards,
--Nicholas

On Feb 11, 2008 10:25 PM, Shiju Alex <[hidden email]> wrote:

> educated rich Indians thinking English is a "better" language
than their
> > own native language is a big obstacle to Indian Wikipedias...
> >
>
>
>
>  This is really true. This is one of the biggest obstacle that all the
> Indian language wikies are facing. I have also got the same type of
answers
> as Pradeep got.
>
> Moreover, it is very sad to note that most of these educated rich young
> generation (read convent educated, city dwellers, and so on) are *Mother
> Tongue Illiterates*. *And they are feeling proud about it.*
>
> *Mother Tongue Illiteracy* is growing among educated Indians. This is one
> of the biggest obstacle.
>
> Regards
> Shiju Alex
>
>
> On 2/11/08, Pradeep Makineni <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Gerard and Bernard.
> >
> > I completely agree with your thoughts.  These would be some of the
> > points I will consider when someone asks me "Why Wikipedia in
Indian
> > languages".  I even have some examples where parents who send
their kids to
> > English medium schools, clarify their child's questions in their
native
> > language but not in English.  This would show how it is easier to
express in
> > native language than in other languages, especially when we are
talking with
> > children.
> >
> > On Feb 10, 2008 10:27 PM, Bernard Massot <[hidden email]>
wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Feb 10, 2008 at 12:05:18PM +0530, Pradeep Makineni
wrote:
> > > > What would you tell, if are going to answer these questions
or
> > > > concerns?  Note that most (or all) of wikipedians who
contribute to
> > > > Indian language wikipedias are fluent in English also.  And
I
> > > believe,
> > > > most of the folks who read (if any) these wikipedias are
also fluent
> > > > in English.
> > >
> > > People always feel more comfortable with their native language.
> > >
> > > Also, as you wrote, "most of" them also speak English,
not all of
> > > them.
> > > There are Indians who good access Internet but don't speak
English.
> > > For
> > > instance a part of NRIs living in non-English speaking
countries.
> > >
> > > AFAIK it's currently impossible to use computers with
knowing only
> > > Indian languages so that would make knowing English a
prerequisite to
> > > accessing Wikipedia. However we could imagine people having
access to
> > > a
> > > printed version of Wikipedia.
> > >
> > > But that's right, educated rich Indians thinking English is
a "better"
> > > language than their own native language is a big obstacle to
Indian
> > > Wikipedias...
> > > --
> > > Bernard Massot
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list
> > > [hidden email]
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Pradeep Makineni
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
> >
> >
>
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