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Re: Wikizh-l Digest, Vol 18, Issue 4

Hsing Fang
wikimedia is so confusion.

Hsing


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>Subject: Wikizh-l Digest, Vol 18, Issue 4
>Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 03:46:45 +0000
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>    1. Fwd: Re:  Create zh.wikinews.org (Moses)
>    2. Re: [Wikinews-l] [??] Re: [??] Re: Create zh.wikinews.org (R.O.C)
>    3. Re: [Foundation-l] Intent to launch Chinese Wikinews (R.O.C)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:36:09 +0800
>From: Moses <[hidden email]>
>Subject: [Wikizh-l] Fwd: Re:  Create zh.wikinews.org
>To: " ?????????? " <[hidden email]>
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>From: R. O. C <[hidden email]>
>Date: Mar 16, 2006 12:10 AM
>Subject: [??] Re: [??] Re: [Wikinews-l] [??] Re: [Wikizh-l] Create
>zh.wikinews.org
>To: [hidden email]
>Cc: Wikinews mailing list <[hidden email]>,
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>thank you, brion. there are two more issues on zh.wikinews.org:
>
>1) the zh.wikinews logo on upper left corner is missing. there are
>several candidates for this logo on
>http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews/Vote/Zh, but i am not clear if
>there is a decision from the chinese wikinews community. (i personally
>prefer http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wikinews_zh_1.png )
>
>2) problems about the interwiki and interlanguage links in zh.wikinews:
>2.1) interlanguage links direct to languages on wikipedia instead of
>wikinews. for example: [[en:Main Page]] directs to the main page on
>en.wikipedia instead of en.wikinews;
>2.2) [[w:??????]] (chinese version of
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Wikipedia) directs to an article
>named "w:??????" on zh.wikinews, though [[wikipedia:??????]] directs
>to wikipedia;
>2.3) however, [[wikipedia:??????]] directs to en.wikipedia instead of
>zh.wikipedia, (at this moment [[wikipedia:zh:??????]] must be used).
>
>--
>[[user: R.O.C|roc]]
>
>2006/3/14, Brion Vibber <[hidden email]>:
> >
>  clino wrote:
> > I can visit the site:
> > https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikinews/en/wiki/
> > but why I Can not visit the site of:
> > https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikinews/zh/wiki/
>
>Fixed; I made a minor mistake in one of the configuration synchronization
>scripts and the updated list of databases didn't go to the server that runs
>the
>SSL interface.
>
>-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:53:51 -0500
>From: R.O.C <[hidden email]>
>Subject: Re: [Wikizh-l] [Wikinews-l] [??] Re: [??] Re: Create
> zh.wikinews.org
>To: "Wikinews mailing list" <[hidden email]>
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>thanks a lot! brion.
>
>the interwiki links all work now. a voting on wikinews logo is ongoing at
>http://zh.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:%E8%8C%B6%E9%A6%86.
>
>roc
>
>2006/3/15, Brion Vibber <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > R.O.C wrote:
> > > 1) the zh.wikinews logo on upper left corner is missing. there are
> > > several candidates for this logo on
> > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews/Vote/Zh, but i am not clear if
> > > there is a decision from the chinese wikinews community. (i personally
> > > prefer http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wikinews_zh_1.png
> > > <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wikinews_zh_1.png>)
> >
> > If we could get a clear one chosen that would be great...
> >
> > > 2) problems about the interwiki and interlanguage links in
>zh.wikinews:
> >
> > This should be all fixed now; use ?action=purge on existing pages before
> > reporting problems in case they're still cached.
> >
> > -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
> >
> >
> >
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>roc (User:R.O.C)
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>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:46:43 -0500
>From: R.O.C <[hidden email]>
>Subject: Re: [Wikizh-l] [Foundation-l] Intent to launch Chinese
> Wikinews
>To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <[hidden email]>,
> [hidden email], [hidden email]
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>i understand brian's main point: the analogy in which a government deems
>something harmful (either the substance harmful to the public or the
>information harmful to the regime) and bans it, while there are enough
>people who still want this stuff and in spite of the government's
>continuous
>efforts and advancement in interception, there are constantly and more
>advanced means available to obtain it.
>
>however, i would like to steer away from the impression that we (both
>wikimedia and its contributors) have anything to do with outlaws. accessing
>and using blocked websites within PRC are not necessarily "breaking the
>law"
>there, at least in the case of wikipedia/wikimedia.
>
>PRC officials and official news media have repeatedly asserted that there
>are no censorship laws at all in PRC. (indeed, such laws would be
>unconstitutional, although there is no constitutional court in PRC since
>all
>courts report to the people's congress, which functions mainly as the
>legislature.) PRC censors do cite and claim their authority from several
>regulations and executive rules, for example, the "regulation on protection
>of security of computer information systems " (????????????????????) passed
>by the state council in 1994, the "administrative rules for protecting
>security of international networking of computer information systems"
>(???????????????????) issued by the department of public safety in 1997,
>and
>the "administrative rules for internet information services" (???????????)
>passed by the state council in 2000. however, all these regulations and
>rules are in essence "executive orders" instead of "laws," and i cannot
>find
>any law of PRC that grants or authorizes the executive branch for issuing
>these regulations/rules.
>
>it is true that the standing committee of national people's congress, the
>legislature, has released a document named "resolution on maintaining
>internet security" (???????????????????) in 2000, but it is merely a
>resolution (in form of interpreting the criminal law so the
>constitutionality of this resolution is not easily disputed) instead of an
>act or law of the people's congress.
>
>i also would keep away from the implication that the legal
>system/conditions
>of PRC are comparable to that of the freer countries. firstly, those
>executive regulations/rules established without debate, approval, or
>authorization from people's representatives are treated and applied as law
>-- the "law" lacks both constitutionality and legitimacy. secondly, to this
>day it remains unclear which governmental agency ordered ISPs to block
>wikipedia and on what basis the order was, indeed it is not even proven
>although obvious whether the government is involved in the unconnectivity
>--
>the enforcement lacks forewarning and transparency. thirdly, there is
>currently no practical way of suing, appealing, or seeking redress in PRC.
>
>in addition, from my understanding of the afore mentioned
>regulations/rules,
>even when a "harmful" website is identified and blocked, just viewing or
>contributing to the "non-harmful" part of information does not seem to be
>prohibited, and viewing "harmful" information alone (without disseminating
>"state secrets") does not seem to be a criminal offense (although it is
>possible to get fines or in serious cases removal of internet access for 6
>months).
>
>i hope that i did not sound too offending. if there were mistakes or
>misinformation, please kindly let me know.
>
>sincerely,
>
>roc (User:R.O.C)
>--
>
>2006/3/14, Brian <[hidden email]>:
> > Internet access in China following government censorship is becoming
> > like drug access in the US following the start of the War on Drugs. For
> > those willing to break the law (ie: everyone), it's becoming easier and
> > easier to get access to all the possibilities.
> >
> > R.O.C wrote:
> >
> > >i checked http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews/Vote/Zh and found
>more
> > >than 10 users who are currently living in mainland. i think that
> > >wikipedia/wikimedia can be accessed and edited from mainland china as
>long
> > >as the user knows how to use proxies or some special browsers.
> > >
> > >-roc
> > >
> > >2006/3/8, Anthere < [hidden email]>:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Erik Moeller wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Chinese Wikinews has long met the formal requirements of a new
>Wikinews
> > >>>edition to be launched. There has now been another poll:
> > >>>
> > >>>http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews/Vote/Zh
> > >>>
> > >>>which currently has 36 votes in favor of launching, including many
> > >>>Chinese Wikipedians, and only one (!) vote opposed. As per the voting
> > >>>rules, given more than 90% support after a week of voting, this means
> > >>>that the project can go ahead.
> > >>>
> > >>>Are there any objections from the Board to launching the project now?
>If
> > >>>I don't hear anything by the end of the week, I presume we can go
>ahead
> > >>>and set up the site.
> > >>>
> > >>>Erik
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>Do it.
> > >>
> > >>Ant
> > >>
> > >>PS : could mainland chinese vote since they are blocked ?
> > >>(note that the answer will not change the statement above...)
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