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Hi,
As I am translating Tec News into ja, and wonder if we replace  [time] template to “Meeting” announcement section, because in some double byte languages like ja, ko, and zh, we write date and month in numerical with suffix.
* Please replace the present [time {{#time:defaultformat|$daten|$format_language_code}} hh:mm (UTC)] and use {{#time:defaultformat|$daten|$format_language_code}} plus hh:mm (UTC) outside the square parentheses.
Reason:
* At the moment, at “Meetings” section and applying [time {{#time:n月j日|$date1|$format_language_code}} hh:mm (UTC)] outputs “[time n月j日 hh:mm (UTC)]”.
* I wish to output “n月j日 hh:mm (UTC)”.
* The section announcing deployment uses template {{#time:n月j日|$date1|$format_language_code}} with hours (UTC) outside the bracket. No problem shows on the published sentences.
Regards,
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Re: Replace time/date template for “Meeting”; Tec/News, Translators-l Digest

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Hi,

> As I am translating Tec News into ja, and wonder if we replace  [time] template to “Meeting” announcement section, because in some double byte languages like ja, ko, and zh, we write date and month in numerical with suffix.
> * Please replace the present [time {{#time:defaultformat|$daten|$format_language_code}} hh:mm (UTC)] and use {{#time:defaultformat|$daten|$format_language_code}} plus hh:mm (UTC) outside the square parentheses.
> Reason:
> * At the moment, at “Meetings” section and applying [time {{#time:n月j日|$date1|$format_language_code}} hh:mm (UTC)] outputs “[time n月j日 hh:mm (UTC)]”.
> * I wish to output “n月j日 hh:mm (UTC)”.
> * The section announcing deployment uses template {{#time:n月j日|$date1|$format_language_code}} with hours (UTC) outside the bracket. No problem shows on the published sentences.

Please tell me if I'm reading you wrong and replying to something else
than your question.

What you're asking is to output "n月j日 hh:mm (UTC)" instead of "[$time
n月j日 hh:mm (UTC)]" like it is in the announcement that helps people
keep track of the when MediaWiki version comes to the different wikis?
You could do that by removing "[$time " and "]" in the Japanese
translation, the only thing that will disappear is the link to
timeanddate.com, and train the translation memory to suggest that
instead – it's entirely up to you.

Sorry if this isn't what you meant. (:

//Johan Jönsson
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Re: Replace time/date template for “Meeting”; Tec/News, Translators-l Digest

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What you se is effectly caused by the fact that you removed the "$" sign before "time" : the "$time" is a placeholder for replaced variable containing here a link. When translating with the tool, these variables are never translatable, you must keep their name as is with the $, as indicated on the edit page where these variables are clickable to insert them in the text. The translator tool will also display a warning if you remove one of them, and will make your translation suspect/fuzzy if you don't insert them somewhere in the text.

If you don't want to use them, place them within HTML comments such as "<!--$time-->", or within "{{GENDER:$time|}}" with an empty default value, so they will not generate anything, but here if you do that, the wiki syntax for the link  would be incorrectr and you'd have the code "[ 12月31日]" which would not render as a link as intended initially where the URL was generated by the substituion of the "$time" variable, so you'd also need to drop the "[" and "]" as well as the space separator used between the link and the display text.

I see no reason for removing that link, so just restore the "$" that you removed between "[" and "time" :
Please do not use blindly the results of automatic translators that may not preserve the wiki-syntax that it cannot recognize and which is actually not a translatable plain-text ! you may use an automatic translator only to make sure you understand what is meant by the source English text, but I suggest you use them ONLY on plain-text copy-pasted from the *rendered* text and never directly from the wikicode (for that you'll need to replace the "$placeholders" by some actual text sample in English (and be careful about some terms that are project specific, for which a better substitution of the "$placeholder" is "XYZ" in capitals which means nothing in English and would be kept unchanged as if it was a trademark or propername by the automatic translator, or use some known trademark that translators won't replace).

And in all cases, you must review the generated text of these translators, make sure it makes sense for the target language, or that it matches the syntax order of the target language or if you can find a better more intuitive way to say the same thing. This done, type the plain-text, and restore the "$placeholders" where they should be insteas of the samples you used in the plain-text given to the automatic translator tool.

Be careful about preserving the wiki code or HTML code, check also the punctuation. and respect places where there are (or are not) newlines (which are significant in Mediawiki syntax and not just merly like blanks): you'll need to restore them also around the plain-text translation you inserted and where you've placed all "$placeholders": this time the translator tool will not complain that you forgot placing **at least one** occurence of **each** "$placeholder" used in the English source, and will not tag your translation as "fuzzy" (and then unused at all  in that case ! i.e. another message in a fallback language or the original English message would still be used in the page).



2018-01-07 6:53 GMT+01:00 Johan Jönsson <[hidden email]>:
Hi,

> As I am translating Tec News into ja, and wonder if we replace  [time] template to “Meeting” announcement section, because in some double byte languages like ja, ko, and zh, we write date and month in numerical with suffix.
> * Please replace the present [time {{#time:defaultformat|$daten|$format_language_code}} hh:mm (UTC)] and use {{#time:defaultformat|$daten|$format_language_code}} plus hh:mm (UTC) outside the square parentheses.
> Reason:
> * At the moment, at “Meetings” section and applying [time {{#time:n月j日|$date1|$format_language_code}} hh:mm (UTC)] outputs “[time n月j日 hh:mm (UTC)]”.
> * I wish to output “n月j日 hh:mm (UTC)”.
> * The section announcing deployment uses template {{#time:n月j日|$date1|$format_language_code}} with hours (UTC) outside the bracket. No problem shows on the published sentences.

Please tell me if I'm reading you wrong and replying to something else
than your question.

What you're asking is to output "n月j日 hh:mm (UTC)" instead of "[$time
n月j日 hh:mm (UTC)]" like it is in the announcement that helps people
keep track of the when MediaWiki version comes to the different wikis?
You could do that by removing "[$time " and "]" in the Japanese
translation, the only thing that will disappear is the link to
timeanddate.com, and train the translation memory to suggest that
instead – it's entirely up to you.

Sorry if this isn't what you meant. (:

//Johan Jönsson
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