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Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

Amir E. Aharoni
Some good news: The Sakha Wiki community keeps being surprisingly
active. I don't know this language, but i read the mailing list of
that community, which is mostly written in Russian, and often
contribute to it (i also asked to migrate that list to Wikimedia
servers and it will probably happen soon [1]).

Unlike many other minor-language communities that created a few
articles and stalled, this one is somewhat slowly, but very surely,
going on for years. Their Wikipedia is properly localized and they
recently passed the 7000 article mark. There are many short stubs, but
they are written by people and not just bots, which is quite
promising.

To celebrate the 7000th article, HalanTul, one of the prominent
community members, wrote a blog post about it and about the basics of
editing Wikipedia in general.[2] It is in Russian and a little Sakha,
but you may find the illustrations interesting. It shows what to do
with red links (make them blue!), how to use basic markup (bold,
heading) and how to work with links and categories. Note that the
screenshots use the new Vector skin.

HalanTul is also quite active in cultural organizations: He goes to
meetings of organizations that promote regional languages -
governmental and NGO's, Russian and international, including UNESCO
and blogs about it, too.

[1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24676
[2] http://dnevniki.ykt.ru/viewcomment.aspx?uid=7781&mid=412622

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Re: Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

Yaroslav M. Blanter

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:29:01 +0300, "Amir E. Aharoni"
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> Some good news: The Sakha Wiki community keeps being surprisingly
> active. I don't know this language, but i read the mailing list of
> that community, which is mostly written in Russian, and often
> contribute to it (i also asked to migrate that list to Wikimedia
> servers and it will probably happen soon [1]).
>

Now it may sound like a joke, but the opening of Sakha Wikipedia had been
delayed some two years ago because the Language Committee did not believe
that the Incubator pages have actually been written in Sakha. Now this is
one of the most dynamic Turkic language projects, and I am proud to be a
regular editor of this Wiki.

Cheers
Yaroslav

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Re: Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

Ting Chen-2
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  Congratulations.

Am 24.08.2010 08:29, wrote Amir E. Aharoni:

> Some good news: The Sakha Wiki community keeps being surprisingly
> active. I don't know this language, but i read the mailing list of
> that community, which is mostly written in Russian, and often
> contribute to it (i also asked to migrate that list to Wikimedia
> servers and it will probably happen soon [1]).
>
> Unlike many other minor-language communities that created a few
> articles and stalled, this one is somewhat slowly, but very surely,
> going on for years. Their Wikipedia is properly localized and they
> recently passed the 7000 article mark. There are many short stubs, but
> they are written by people and not just bots, which is quite
> promising.
>
> To celebrate the 7000th article, HalanTul, one of the prominent
> community members, wrote a blog post about it and about the basics of
> editing Wikipedia in general.[2] It is in Russian and a little Sakha,
> but you may find the illustrations interesting. It shows what to do
> with red links (make them blue!), how to use basic markup (bold,
> heading) and how to work with links and categories. Note that the
> screenshots use the new Vector skin.
>
> HalanTul is also quite active in cultural organizations: He goes to
> meetings of organizations that promote regional languages -
> governmental and NGO's, Russian and international, including UNESCO
> and blogs about it, too.
>
> [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24676
> [2] http://dnevniki.ykt.ru/viewcomment.aspx?uid=7781&mid=412622
>


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Re: Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

Gerard Meijssen-3
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Hoi,
The language committee has had the sad experience that people suggested that
a Wikipedia was in a particular language while it was not. There are still
Wikipedias where people native to a language object to it because they do
not recognise it as properly written in their language. We have tried to end
such projects and there was no consensus to be had. As a consequence we are
looking for external confirmation that what is written in a language is
indeed written in that language. This can only be done ahead of the creation
of a new project.

Finding an external expert who is willing to provide us with such
confirmation is not always easy. As to Sakha I am really happy with this
project it is one of the best examples of why new Wikipedias make sense.
Thanks,
      GerardM

On 24 August 2010 09:18, Yaroslav M. Blanter <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:29:01 +0300, "Amir E. Aharoni"
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Some good news: The Sakha Wiki community keeps being surprisingly
> > active. I don't know this language, but i read the mailing list of
> > that community, which is mostly written in Russian, and often
> > contribute to it (i also asked to migrate that list to Wikimedia
> > servers and it will probably happen soon [1]).
> >
>
> Now it may sound like a joke, but the opening of Sakha Wikipedia had been
> delayed some two years ago because the Language Committee did not believe
> that the Incubator pages have actually been written in Sakha. Now this is
> one of the most dynamic Turkic language projects, and I am proud to be a
> regular editor of this Wiki.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
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Re: Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

M. Williamson
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I think it has been proven many times over now that the Language
Committee works in mysterious ways with little or no community
oversight or input, essentially a self-appointed committee of
"experts", mostly from similar linguistic backgrounds, handing down
judgements about the rest of the world's languages from their
overwhelmingly European ivory tower. It seems we as a community of
people who care deeply about the future of potential new languages and
the success of existing language versions within our Wikimedia
community have no choice but to watch from the sidelines as they do
what they please.

-m.

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:29:01 +0300, "Amir E. Aharoni"
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Some good news: The Sakha Wiki community keeps being surprisingly
>> active. I don't know this language, but i read the mailing list of
>> that community, which is mostly written in Russian, and often
>> contribute to it (i also asked to migrate that list to Wikimedia
>> servers and it will probably happen soon [1]).
>>
>
> Now it may sound like a joke, but the opening of Sakha Wikipedia had been
> delayed some two years ago because the Language Committee did not believe
> that the Incubator pages have actually been written in Sakha. Now this is
> one of the most dynamic Turkic language projects, and I am proud to be a
> regular editor of this Wiki.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
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Re: Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

Muhammad Yahia
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Mark Williamson <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I think it has been proven many times over now that the Language
> Committee works in mysterious ways with little or no community
> oversight or input, essentially a self-appointed committee of
> "experts", mostly from similar linguistic backgrounds, handing down
> judgements about the rest of the world's languages from their
> overwhelmingly European ivory tower. It seems we as a community of
> people who care deeply about the future of potential new languages and
> the success of existing language versions within our Wikimedia
> community have no choice but to watch from the sidelines as they do
> what they please.
>
> -m.
>
>
+1

Add to that the fact that a portion of their discussion archives is
deliberately hidden from the public as if they are debating state security
issues. So even after a decision is taken, we only have a patchy view of the
process that led to that decision.

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Re: Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

Yaroslav M. Blanter
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:48:25 -0700, Mark Williamson <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> I think it has been proven many times over now that the Language
> Committee works in mysterious ways with little or no community
> oversight or input, essentially a self-appointed committee of
> "experts", mostly from similar linguistic backgrounds, handing down
> judgements about the rest of the world's languages from their
> overwhelmingly European ivory tower. It seems we as a community of
> people who care deeply about the future of potential new languages and
> the success of existing language versions within our Wikimedia
> community have no choice but to watch from the sidelines as they do
> what they please.
>
> -m.
>

I do not think it is fair. Things have become much more transparent.

Cheers
Yaroslav

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Re: Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

Mohamed Ibrahim
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On 25 August 2010 23:01, Muhammad Yahia <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Mark Williamson <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > I think it has been proven many times over now that the Language
> > Committee works in mysterious ways with little or no community
> > oversight or input, essentially a self-appointed committee of
> > "experts", mostly from similar linguistic backgrounds, handing down
> > judgements about the rest of the world's languages from their
> > overwhelmingly European ivory tower. It seems we as a community of
> > people who care deeply about the future of potential new languages and
> > the success of existing language versions within our Wikimedia
> > community have no choice but to watch from the sidelines as they do
> > what they please.
> >
> > -m.
> >
> >
> +1
>
> Add to that the fact that a portion of their discussion archives is
> deliberately hidden from the public as if they are debating state security
> issues. So even after a decision is taken, we only have a patchy view of
> the
> process that led to that decision.
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> Muhammad Yahia
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I agree with what Muhammad and Mark has said
it's a pity that such resolutions that affect the whole community is
controlled like this..
resulting in such projects that really make Wikimedia looks like a host for
childish projects that's
written in a funny language never seen written before in
any respectable scientific book, website, etc..

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Re: Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

Mike Peel
Erm ... huh?

1) If you're interested in helping, and have experience/knowledge of languages, then get involved with the committee.

2) They're getting things achieved - they're fostering the development of new language projects, making decisions, getting the projects started, and doing this in a very effective way. Compare this with the ineffectual procedure for starting an entirely new project in any language, which hasn't gotten anywhere in the last 3(?) years.

3) Please point to _recent_ examples where they've made a bad choice (i.e. Klingon doesn't count, as that was before their time). I'm not aware of any.

I agree that it's not good that they have a hidden discussion forum; as much as possible of the discussion leading up to a new project should be public, and i can't see a reason for secrecy. Apart from that, though, I don't understand these (somewhat bitchy) comments at all...

Mike

On 25 Aug 2010, at 21:21, Mohamed Ibrahim wrote:

> On 25 August 2010 23:01, Muhammad Yahia <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Mark Williamson <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think it has been proven many times over now that the Language
>>> Committee works in mysterious ways with little or no community
>>> oversight or input, essentially a self-appointed committee of
>>> "experts", mostly from similar linguistic backgrounds, handing down
>>> judgements about the rest of the world's languages from their
>>> overwhelmingly European ivory tower. It seems we as a community of
>>> people who care deeply about the future of potential new languages and
>>> the success of existing language versions within our Wikimedia
>>> community have no choice but to watch from the sidelines as they do
>>> what they please.
>>>
>>> -m.
>>>
>>>
>> +1
>>
>> Add to that the fact that a portion of their discussion archives is
>> deliberately hidden from the public as if they are debating state security
>> issues. So even after a decision is taken, we only have a patchy view of
>> the
>> process that led to that decision.
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>> Muhammad Yahia
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>
> I agree with what Muhammad and Mark has said
> it's a pity that such resolutions that affect the whole community is
> controlled like this..
> resulting in such projects that really make Wikimedia looks like a host for
> childish projects that's
> written in a funny language never seen written before in
> any respectable scientific book, website, etc..
>
> --
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Re: Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

Muhammad Yahia
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>
>
> resulting in such projects that really make Wikimedia looks like a host for
> childish projects that's
> written in a funny language never seen written before in
> any respectable scientific book, website, etc..
>
> I do not necessarily agree with that. I think the majority of the projects
approved are doing fine. My problem is with the closed process that does not
lend itself to improvement:


   - Members are appointed by the committee itself (self-appointed as Mark
   says), this doesn't lend itself to diversity or difference in opinion.
   - The archives are not totally public (some messages are, some messages
   are not), leaving a patchy history , so we cannot go back and discuss with
   the committee something we think needs improvement, because we simply will
   not know how the decision was taken.

So I don't know how transparency has increased? if the community has no say
in choosing members and does not have access to the deliberation archive,
what exactly has become more transparent?


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Re: Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

Jesse (Pathoschild)
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On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Mark Williamson <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I think it has been proven many times over now that the Language
> Committee works in mysterious ways with little or no community
> oversight or input, essentially a self-appointed committee of
> "experts", mostly from similar linguistic backgrounds, handing down
> judgements about the rest of the world's languages from their
> overwhelmingly European ivory tower.


Hello again Mark,

The language committee does not work in mysterious ways; it has a
defined charter and strictly applies a public policy which defines the
reasons requests are approved or rejected. Nearly every email posted
to the private list is copied to the public archives, unless the
poster asks to be excluded. Discussions are summarized, to ensure that
censored messages don't reduce transparency. These archives have
fallen out of date recently, so a new member has recently joined the
committee to help with archival.

If you have any concrete suggestions such as changes to the policy,
we're always looking to improve.

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Re: Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

Mohamed Ibrahim
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On 25 August 2010 23:42, Michael Peel <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Erm ... huh?
>
> 1) If you're interested in helping, and have experience/knowledge of
> languages, then get involved with the committee.
>
> 2) They're getting things achieved - they're fostering the development of
> new language projects, making decisions, getting the projects started, and
> doing this in a very effective way. Compare this with the ineffectual
> procedure for starting an entirely new project in any language, which hasn't
> gotten anywhere in the last 3(?) years.
>
>
I agree the committee did a good job in their mission and I'm not
generalizing my critique, I misworded my comment.

3) Please point to _recent_ examples where they've made a bad choice (i.e.
> Klingon doesn't count, as that was before their time). I'm not aware of any.
>
>
I'm not willing to open a long discussion on something that most people are
not willing to reconsider and I respected that and left the newly-opened
project to see what will happen.
However, the main point that triggered my comment was that I was just
browsing through and found really a poor standard of language and articles
that I even felt uncomfortable that the Wikipedia logo was over there.
I just hope that in the future the process will be more transparent and
considers all sides of the matter. I hope no one were offended as I didn't
mean it this way, and if in anyway I could help I won't hesitate to step in.

I agree that it's not good that they have a hidden discussion forum; as much

> as possible of the discussion leading up to a new project should be public,
> and i can't see a reason for secrecy. Apart from that, though, I don't
> understand these (somewhat bitchy) comments at all...
>
> Mike
>
> On 25 Aug 2010, at 21:21, Mohamed Ibrahim wrote:
>
> > On 25 August 2010 23:01, Muhammad Yahia <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Mark Williamson <[hidden email]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think it has been proven many times over now that the Language
> >>> Committee works in mysterious ways with little or no community
> >>> oversight or input, essentially a self-appointed committee of
> >>> "experts", mostly from similar linguistic backgrounds, handing down
> >>> judgements about the rest of the world's languages from their
> >>> overwhelmingly European ivory tower. It seems we as a community of
> >>> people who care deeply about the future of potential new languages and
> >>> the success of existing language versions within our Wikimedia
> >>> community have no choice but to watch from the sidelines as they do
> >>> what they please.
> >>>
> >>> -m.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> Add to that the fact that a portion of their discussion archives is
> >> deliberately hidden from the public as if they are debating state
> security
> >> issues. So even after a decision is taken, we only have a patchy view of
> >> the
> >> process that led to that decision.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best Regards,
> >> Muhammad Yahia
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> >
> > I agree with what Muhammad and Mark has said
> > it's a pity that such resolutions that affect the whole community is
> > controlled like this..
> > resulting in such projects that really make Wikimedia looks like a host
> for
> > childish projects that's
> > written in a funny language never seen written before in
> > any respectable scientific book, website, etc..
> >
> > --
> > - Arabic Wikipedia: http://ar.wikipedia.org/  "Share your knowledge"
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Re: Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

Muhammad Yahia
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Hello,

Nearly every email posted
> to the private list is copied to the public archives, unless the
> poster asks to be excluded. Discussions are summarized, to ensure that
> censored messages don't reduce transparency.


To illustrate my point: I did try to follow the discussions for some time
when it was being archived, I had a very hard time doing that with the
'censored' messages and replies.

The following link is from the last archive out there (June 2009). It's
pretty hard (at least for me) to follow the discussion, it gets especially
hard on messages 14-16. The summary is just one line that doesn't really say
much.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee/Archives/2009-06#Compendium_projects


I still don't understand why would a participant in a committee in an openly
public institution like the WMF would want/be allowed to  have his input
'censored' this way. I dont see anything in there that would warrant
censorship, they are certainly not making life-or-death decisions about the
future of the world :) .

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Re: Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

Nathan Awrich
It's true that the work of the Language Community stands out as one of
the few areas of community participation (in that the LangCom members
are not employees of the WMF) closed to public or community
observation. Certain other groups do this (the English Wikipedia
Arbitration Committee comes to mind, as do checkuser lists, because of
the private information potentially disclosed to these groups) but the
reasoning used to censor the LangCom records is... quirky, to say the
least. I think most everyone would be more comfortable if the
committee performed its work in the open -- aside, I suppose, from
those committee members who prefer to be protected from scrutiny.

Nathan

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Re: Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

Nathan Awrich
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Nathan <[hidden email]> wrote:
> It's true that the work of the Language Community

That should be Language Committee, of course.

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Re: Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

Marcus Buck-2
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  An'n 25.08.2010 22:42, hett Michael Peel schreven:

>> On 25 August 2010 23:01, Muhammad Yahia<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> I agree with what Muhammad and Mark has said
>> it's a pity that such resolutions that affect the whole community is
>> controlled like this..
>> resulting in such projects that really make Wikimedia looks like a host for
>> childish projects that's
>> written in a funny language never seen written before in
>> any respectable scientific book, website, etc..
>>
>> --
>> - Arabic Wikipedia: http://ar.wikipedia.org/  "Share your knowledge"
> Erm ... huh?
Exactly what I thought first. But he's from ar.wp, so I guess he's
referring to arz.wp, the Egyptian Arabic version of Wikipedia. Arabic
(similar to Chinese) is actually a big group of languages which are
arched by a common standard. Supporters of the standard consider the
different Arabic languages as dialects and their use in written form as
an assault on the common Arabic culture.

Although I don't share his view on arz.wp I do share his negative view
on the Language Committee. Gerard Meijssen keeps his contributions to
the discussions secret and even for the more-willing-to-share committee
members there are no archives since June 2009.

The committee claims success for the fact that none of the projects
approved by them has failed ("failed" in the sense like Herero and
Kanuri have failed, not producing any articles in years). That claim is
correct, but it also came with a significant decline in approval
numbers. When the language approval policy was created in 2006 we had
about 250 wikipedias (that's 50 per year since 2001). Now we have 270
wikipedias. 20 new wikipedias in almost 4 years... (that's 5 per year.)

Marcus Buck
User:Slomox

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Re: Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

David Gerard-2
On 25 August 2010 23:34, Marcus Buck <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Gerard Meijssen keeps his contributions to
> the discussions secret


Is this true? If so, what is the rationale? Described like that, that
sounds ridiculous and unacceptable.


- d.

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Re: Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

Muhammad Yahia
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>> On 25 August 2010 23:01, Muhammad Yahia<[hidden email]>  wrote:
> >> I agree with what Muhammad and Mark has said
> >> it's a pity that such resolutions that affect the whole community is
> >> controlled like this..
> >> resulting in such projects that really make Wikimedia looks like a host
> for
> >> childish projects that's
> >> written in a funny language never seen written before in
> >> any respectable scientific book, website, etc..
> >>
> >> --
> >> - Arabic Wikipedia: http://ar.wikipedia.org/  "Share your knowledge"
> > Erm ... huh?
> Exactly what I thought first. But he's from ar.wp, so I guess he's
> referring to arz.wp,


I hope you realize there are two different ppl in that quote above (it's
mis-attributing it to me, and it seems like I am agreeing with myself :) ).
I personally dont have any current issues with arz.wp and I hope the
discussion does not go into that direction, because really my points were
not about a certain project.

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Muhammad Yahia
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Re: Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

Marcus Buck-2
  An'n 26.08.2010 01:02, hett Muhammad Yahia schreven:

>>> On 25 August 2010 23:01, Muhammad Yahia<[hidden email]>   wrote:
>>>> I agree with what Muhammad and Mark has said
>>>> it's a pity that such resolutions that affect the whole community is
>>>> controlled like this..
>>>> resulting in such projects that really make Wikimedia looks like a host
>> for
>>>> childish projects that's
>>>> written in a funny language never seen written before in
>>>> any respectable scientific book, website, etc..
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> - Arabic Wikipedia: http://ar.wikipedia.org/  "Share your knowledge"
>>> Erm ... huh?
>> Exactly what I thought first. But he's from ar.wp, so I guess he's
>> referring to arz.wp,
>
> I hope you realize there are two different ppl in that quote above (it's
> mis-attributing it to me, and it seems like I am agreeing with myself :) ).
> I personally dont have any current issues with arz.wp and I hope the
> discussion does not go into that direction, because really my points were
> not about a certain project.
Sorry for the misattribution and sorry for making false assumptions.
Well, so I second Michael Peel:

Erm ... huh?

Marcus Buck
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Re: Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

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  An'n 26.08.2010 00:41, hett David Gerard schreven:
> On 25 August 2010 23:34, Marcus Buck<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> Gerard Meijssen keeps his contributions to
>> the discussions secret
> Is this true? If so, what is the rationale? Described like that, that
> sounds ridiculous and unacceptable.
Well, the latest archive (June 2009) is here:
<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee/Archives/2009-06>
The other committee members' posts are shown, but Gerard's are all
replaced with: <this user has not agreed to public archival.>

Somewhere on Meta there is a discussion years ago (I cannot recall
whether I asked him or whether it was somebody else who asked) where
Gerard explains his decision. I am unable to find it (perhaps it was
removed from the public archives? ;-) ). But if I remember correctly his
answer was not that helpful. It was something along the lines of "I have
my reasons, but I cannot disclose them in public".

Marcus Buck
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