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Leila Zia
Hi all,

Summary: I have made changes to the introduction description of this
mailing list. This includes changes to what this mailing list is used
for (reflecting more closely the reality of how it's been used for the
past couple of years), more expanded information about other lists
that you may want to be aware of, the mailing list norms, and the
introduction of topics and tags. You can review the updated
description at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
. As a participant of this mailing list, you are responsible to know
the description of the mailing list and I kindly ask you to review it.
Thanks! :)

Long version:

==Who am I?==
I'm one of the admins of this list (and head of Research at Wikimedia
Foundation).

==Why the change?==
On a personal level: I want to be able to communicate with the
research community around Wikimedia projects more often, I don't want
to create a new list for my communications, and I saw the note about
the limits on the frequency of posts in the old description of this
list as something that  "kept me out". Inspired by this need, I had a
more comprehensive look at the full description.

The previous version of the description [1] had a few areas to improve
based on the current needs and realities of this list. I name a couple
of them below:

* We had a note about the frequency of emails to this list to be kept
low. With the stack of technologies available to us today, we can
relax this condition and ask for people to use tags/topics in the
subject of their emails to allow for more emails to come to the list.

* The note on who can post to this list could be improved. It read
"only people who are actively involved in research on Wikimedia
projects should post to this list" while my understanding is that on
this list we want to welcome research related questions from those who
are not actively involved in research, too. For example, community
organizers should feel welcome to ask research-related questions on
this list.

==What process did I follow for this change?==
I wrote my proposed changes in an etherpad and sent it to 10 people.
These folks include the two other admins of this list, a couple of
other Research folks from WMF, a few folks from the Wikimedia Research
community, and two editors from the community who are active in the
research space. I heard back from 3 of these folks with thumbs up and
areas for improvement. I incorporated all the suggestions I received.

==What if you have suggestions for improvements?==
Sure. Bring them up on this thread or privately. Please note that I
will be in Wikidata Conference [2] and after that in our annual
Research Offsite and may not be able to respond to you until
2019-11-01.

==Where can I see the updated description?==
Please go to https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
to review it.

Thanks,
Leila

[1] Read the previous version of the description below:

The purpose of this mailing list is to discuss scientific research
into the content and the communities of the Wikimedia projects:
Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikibooks, Wikisource, Wikiquote, Wikinews,
Wikispecies, and Wikimedia Commons, Meta-Wiki.

Research into the technology of Wikimedia, MediaWiki, should primarily
be discussed on <a
href="http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l">wikitech-l</A>
instead. For content or community research projects with a strong
technological component, cross-posting to both lists may be advisable.

Please note that only people who are actively involved in research on
Wikimedia projects should post to this list. Typical on-topic posts
include:

<UL><LI>announcement of a new research project
<LI>discussions of methodology
<LI>questions and answers about related projects
</UL>

Mailing list traffic should be kept at a reasonably low level. The
list is softly moderated, and individuals posting off-topic material
repeatedly may be removed.

This list is not directly associated with the <a
href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research_Network">Wikimedia
Research Network</A>, though members of the Network are welcome to
post here if they are involved in research projects relating to
content or community. Internal Wikimedia matters, discussions of new
projects and similar threads should be kept off the list.

[2] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikidataCon_2019

--
Leila Zia
Principal Research Scientist, Head of Research
Wikimedia Foundation

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Re: Some changes to this mailing list

J. Nathan Matias
Thanks Leila!

I think this is an excellent development!

After the Wikimania research conversations, we had several community
members ask us how they could contact and have conversations other people
who had research questions. We were very reluctant to create a new
discussion channel, but we were also aware of the previous rules about who
could post. These changes solve the puzzle we were working through!

All the best,

--Nathan

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 9:40 PM Leila Zia <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Summary: I have made changes to the introduction description of this
> mailing list. This includes changes to what this mailing list is used
> for (reflecting more closely the reality of how it's been used for the
> past couple of years), more expanded information about other lists
> that you may want to be aware of, the mailing list norms, and the
> introduction of topics and tags. You can review the updated
> description at
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
> . As a participant of this mailing list, you are responsible to know
> the description of the mailing list and I kindly ask you to review it.
> Thanks! :)
>
> Long version:
>
> ==Who am I?==
> I'm one of the admins of this list (and head of Research at Wikimedia
> Foundation).
>
> ==Why the change?==
> On a personal level: I want to be able to communicate with the
> research community around Wikimedia projects more often, I don't want
> to create a new list for my communications, and I saw the note about
> the limits on the frequency of posts in the old description of this
> list as something that  "kept me out". Inspired by this need, I had a
> more comprehensive look at the full description.
>
> The previous version of the description [1] had a few areas to improve
> based on the current needs and realities of this list. I name a couple
> of them below:
>
> * We had a note about the frequency of emails to this list to be kept
> low. With the stack of technologies available to us today, we can
> relax this condition and ask for people to use tags/topics in the
> subject of their emails to allow for more emails to come to the list.
>
> * The note on who can post to this list could be improved. It read
> "only people who are actively involved in research on Wikimedia
> projects should post to this list" while my understanding is that on
> this list we want to welcome research related questions from those who
> are not actively involved in research, too. For example, community
> organizers should feel welcome to ask research-related questions on
> this list.
>
> ==What process did I follow for this change?==
> I wrote my proposed changes in an etherpad and sent it to 10 people.
> These folks include the two other admins of this list, a couple of
> other Research folks from WMF, a few folks from the Wikimedia Research
> community, and two editors from the community who are active in the
> research space. I heard back from 3 of these folks with thumbs up and
> areas for improvement. I incorporated all the suggestions I received.
>
> ==What if you have suggestions for improvements?==
> Sure. Bring them up on this thread or privately. Please note that I
> will be in Wikidata Conference [2] and after that in our annual
> Research Offsite and may not be able to respond to you until
> 2019-11-01.
>
> ==Where can I see the updated description?==
> Please go to https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
> to review it.
>
> Thanks,
> Leila
>
> [1] Read the previous version of the description below:
>
> The purpose of this mailing list is to discuss scientific research
> into the content and the communities of the Wikimedia projects:
> Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikibooks, Wikisource, Wikiquote, Wikinews,
> Wikispecies, and Wikimedia Commons, Meta-Wiki.
>
> Research into the technology of Wikimedia, MediaWiki, should primarily
> be discussed on <a
> href="http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
> ">wikitech-l</A>
> instead. For content or community research projects with a strong
> technological component, cross-posting to both lists may be advisable.
>
> Please note that only people who are actively involved in research on
> Wikimedia projects should post to this list. Typical on-topic posts
> include:
>
> <UL><LI>announcement of a new research project
> <LI>discussions of methodology
> <LI>questions and answers about related projects
> </UL>
>
> Mailing list traffic should be kept at a reasonably low level. The
> list is softly moderated, and individuals posting off-topic material
> repeatedly may be removed.
>
> This list is not directly associated with the <a
> href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research_Network">Wikimedia
> Research Network</A>, though members of the Network are welcome to
> post here if they are involved in research projects relating to
> content or community. Internal Wikimedia matters, discussions of new
> projects and similar threads should be kept off the list.
>
> [2] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikidataCon_2019
>
> --
> Leila Zia
> Principal Research Scientist, Head of Research
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wiki-research-l mailing list
> [hidden email]
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
>


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Re: Some changes to this mailing list

Heather Ford-3
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Looks great, Leila :)

---------------------------

Dr Heather Ford
Associate Professor and Head of Discipline (Digital and Social Media
<https://www.uts.edu.au/future-students/communication/digital-and-social-media>
)
School of Communication
<https://www.uts.edu.au/future-students/communication/about-communication/welcome-school-communication>,
University of Technology, Sydney <https://www.uts.edu.au/> (UTS)

w: hblog.org / t: @hfordsa <http://www.twitter.com/hfordsa>



On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 at 12:40, Leila Zia <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Summary: I have made changes to the introduction description of this
> mailing list. This includes changes to what this mailing list is used
> for (reflecting more closely the reality of how it's been used for the
> past couple of years), more expanded information about other lists
> that you may want to be aware of, the mailing list norms, and the
> introduction of topics and tags. You can review the updated
> description at
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
> . As a participant of this mailing list, you are responsible to know
> the description of the mailing list and I kindly ask you to review it.
> Thanks! :)
>
> Long version:
>
> ==Who am I?==
> I'm one of the admins of this list (and head of Research at Wikimedia
> Foundation).
>
> ==Why the change?==
> On a personal level: I want to be able to communicate with the
> research community around Wikimedia projects more often, I don't want
> to create a new list for my communications, and I saw the note about
> the limits on the frequency of posts in the old description of this
> list as something that  "kept me out". Inspired by this need, I had a
> more comprehensive look at the full description.
>
> The previous version of the description [1] had a few areas to improve
> based on the current needs and realities of this list. I name a couple
> of them below:
>
> * We had a note about the frequency of emails to this list to be kept
> low. With the stack of technologies available to us today, we can
> relax this condition and ask for people to use tags/topics in the
> subject of their emails to allow for more emails to come to the list.
>
> * The note on who can post to this list could be improved. It read
> "only people who are actively involved in research on Wikimedia
> projects should post to this list" while my understanding is that on
> this list we want to welcome research related questions from those who
> are not actively involved in research, too. For example, community
> organizers should feel welcome to ask research-related questions on
> this list.
>
> ==What process did I follow for this change?==
> I wrote my proposed changes in an etherpad and sent it to 10 people.
> These folks include the two other admins of this list, a couple of
> other Research folks from WMF, a few folks from the Wikimedia Research
> community, and two editors from the community who are active in the
> research space. I heard back from 3 of these folks with thumbs up and
> areas for improvement. I incorporated all the suggestions I received.
>
> ==What if you have suggestions for improvements?==
> Sure. Bring them up on this thread or privately. Please note that I
> will be in Wikidata Conference [2] and after that in our annual
> Research Offsite and may not be able to respond to you until
> 2019-11-01.
>
> ==Where can I see the updated description?==
> Please go to https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
> to review it.
>
> Thanks,
> Leila
>
> [1] Read the previous version of the description below:
>
> The purpose of this mailing list is to discuss scientific research
> into the content and the communities of the Wikimedia projects:
> Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikibooks, Wikisource, Wikiquote, Wikinews,
> Wikispecies, and Wikimedia Commons, Meta-Wiki.
>
> Research into the technology of Wikimedia, MediaWiki, should primarily
> be discussed on <a
> href="http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
> ">wikitech-l</A>
> instead. For content or community research projects with a strong
> technological component, cross-posting to both lists may be advisable.
>
> Please note that only people who are actively involved in research on
> Wikimedia projects should post to this list. Typical on-topic posts
> include:
>
> <UL><LI>announcement of a new research project
> <LI>discussions of methodology
> <LI>questions and answers about related projects
> </UL>
>
> Mailing list traffic should be kept at a reasonably low level. The
> list is softly moderated, and individuals posting off-topic material
> repeatedly may be removed.
>
> This list is not directly associated with the <a
> href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research_Network">Wikimedia
> Research Network</A>, though members of the Network are welcome to
> post here if they are involved in research projects relating to
> content or community. Internal Wikimedia matters, discussions of new
> projects and similar threads should be kept off the list.
>
> [2] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikidataCon_2019
>
> --
> Leila Zia
> Principal Research Scientist, Head of Research
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wiki-research-l mailing list
> [hidden email]
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
>
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Re: Some changes to this mailing list

Leila Zia
Hi folks,

Thanks for the words of encouragement on and off-list. Aaron (cc-ed)
and I did another pass over the text itself as well as the
look-and-feel of it and pushed a new version that you can now read at
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l .

The most important items you should be aware of:

* We dropped the [wmf] tag because my specific purpose for introducing
that tag, we think, can be handled by me posting emails with a
specific subject format.

* We dropped the "Moderation" section as we thought it's redundant for
the most part. Many know that lists are moderated. (We did discuss
whether it is important to keep some version of the text for a more
inclusive culture but decided to not go with it at the end.)

Thanks,
Leila


On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 9:54 PM Heather Ford <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Looks great, Leila :)
>
> ---------------------------
>
> Dr Heather Ford
> Associate Professor and Head of Discipline (Digital and Social Media
> <https://www.uts.edu.au/future-students/communication/digital-and-social-media>
> )
> School of Communication
> <https://www.uts.edu.au/future-students/communication/about-communication/welcome-school-communication>,
> University of Technology, Sydney <https://www.uts.edu.au/> (UTS)
>
> w: hblog.org / t: @hfordsa <http://www.twitter.com/hfordsa>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 at 12:40, Leila Zia <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Summary: I have made changes to the introduction description of this
> > mailing list. This includes changes to what this mailing list is used
> > for (reflecting more closely the reality of how it's been used for the
> > past couple of years), more expanded information about other lists
> > that you may want to be aware of, the mailing list norms, and the
> > introduction of topics and tags. You can review the updated
> > description at
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
> > . As a participant of this mailing list, you are responsible to know
> > the description of the mailing list and I kindly ask you to review it.
> > Thanks! :)
> >
> > Long version:
> >
> > ==Who am I?==
> > I'm one of the admins of this list (and head of Research at Wikimedia
> > Foundation).
> >
> > ==Why the change?==
> > On a personal level: I want to be able to communicate with the
> > research community around Wikimedia projects more often, I don't want
> > to create a new list for my communications, and I saw the note about
> > the limits on the frequency of posts in the old description of this
> > list as something that  "kept me out". Inspired by this need, I had a
> > more comprehensive look at the full description.
> >
> > The previous version of the description [1] had a few areas to improve
> > based on the current needs and realities of this list. I name a couple
> > of them below:
> >
> > * We had a note about the frequency of emails to this list to be kept
> > low. With the stack of technologies available to us today, we can
> > relax this condition and ask for people to use tags/topics in the
> > subject of their emails to allow for more emails to come to the list.
> >
> > * The note on who can post to this list could be improved. It read
> > "only people who are actively involved in research on Wikimedia
> > projects should post to this list" while my understanding is that on
> > this list we want to welcome research related questions from those who
> > are not actively involved in research, too. For example, community
> > organizers should feel welcome to ask research-related questions on
> > this list.
> >
> > ==What process did I follow for this change?==
> > I wrote my proposed changes in an etherpad and sent it to 10 people.
> > These folks include the two other admins of this list, a couple of
> > other Research folks from WMF, a few folks from the Wikimedia Research
> > community, and two editors from the community who are active in the
> > research space. I heard back from 3 of these folks with thumbs up and
> > areas for improvement. I incorporated all the suggestions I received.
> >
> > ==What if you have suggestions for improvements?==
> > Sure. Bring them up on this thread or privately. Please note that I
> > will be in Wikidata Conference [2] and after that in our annual
> > Research Offsite and may not be able to respond to you until
> > 2019-11-01.
> >
> > ==Where can I see the updated description?==
> > Please go to https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
> > to review it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Leila
> >
> > [1] Read the previous version of the description below:
> >
> > The purpose of this mailing list is to discuss scientific research
> > into the content and the communities of the Wikimedia projects:
> > Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikibooks, Wikisource, Wikiquote, Wikinews,
> > Wikispecies, and Wikimedia Commons, Meta-Wiki.
> >
> > Research into the technology of Wikimedia, MediaWiki, should primarily
> > be discussed on <a
> > href="http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
> > ">wikitech-l</A>
> > instead. For content or community research projects with a strong
> > technological component, cross-posting to both lists may be advisable.
> >
> > Please note that only people who are actively involved in research on
> > Wikimedia projects should post to this list. Typical on-topic posts
> > include:
> >
> > <UL><LI>announcement of a new research project
> > <LI>discussions of methodology
> > <LI>questions and answers about related projects
> > </UL>
> >
> > Mailing list traffic should be kept at a reasonably low level. The
> > list is softly moderated, and individuals posting off-topic material
> > repeatedly may be removed.
> >
> > This list is not directly associated with the <a
> > href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research_Network">Wikimedia
> > Research Network</A>, though members of the Network are welcome to
> > post here if they are involved in research projects relating to
> > content or community. Internal Wikimedia matters, discussions of new
> > projects and similar threads should be kept off the list.
> >
> > [2] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikidataCon_2019
> >
> > --
> > Leila Zia
> > Principal Research Scientist, Head of Research
> > Wikimedia Foundation
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wiki-research-l mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Wiki-research-l mailing list
> [hidden email]
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l

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Re: Some changes to this mailing list

Aaron Halfaker-2
Cheers!  Thanks Leila for pushing on this.  I think we have a far better
landing page now.

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 7:50 PM Leila Zia <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Thanks for the words of encouragement on and off-list. Aaron (cc-ed)
> and I did another pass over the text itself as well as the
> look-and-feel of it and pushed a new version that you can now read at
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l .
>
> The most important items you should be aware of:
>
> * We dropped the [wmf] tag because my specific purpose for introducing
> that tag, we think, can be handled by me posting emails with a
> specific subject format.
>
> * We dropped the "Moderation" section as we thought it's redundant for
> the most part. Many know that lists are moderated. (We did discuss
> whether it is important to keep some version of the text for a more
> inclusive culture but decided to not go with it at the end.)
>
> Thanks,
> Leila
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 9:54 PM Heather Ford <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Looks great, Leila :)
> >
> > ---------------------------
> >
> > Dr Heather Ford
> > Associate Professor and Head of Discipline (Digital and Social Media
> > <
> https://www.uts.edu.au/future-students/communication/digital-and-social-media
> >
> > )
> > School of Communication
> > <
> https://www.uts.edu.au/future-students/communication/about-communication/welcome-school-communication
> >,
> > University of Technology, Sydney <https://www.uts.edu.au/> (UTS)
> >
> > w: hblog.org / t: @hfordsa <http://www.twitter.com/hfordsa>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 at 12:40, Leila Zia <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Summary: I have made changes to the introduction description of this
> > > mailing list. This includes changes to what this mailing list is used
> > > for (reflecting more closely the reality of how it's been used for the
> > > past couple of years), more expanded information about other lists
> > > that you may want to be aware of, the mailing list norms, and the
> > > introduction of topics and tags. You can review the updated
> > > description at
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
> > > . As a participant of this mailing list, you are responsible to know
> > > the description of the mailing list and I kindly ask you to review it.
> > > Thanks! :)
> > >
> > > Long version:
> > >
> > > ==Who am I?==
> > > I'm one of the admins of this list (and head of Research at Wikimedia
> > > Foundation).
> > >
> > > ==Why the change?==
> > > On a personal level: I want to be able to communicate with the
> > > research community around Wikimedia projects more often, I don't want
> > > to create a new list for my communications, and I saw the note about
> > > the limits on the frequency of posts in the old description of this
> > > list as something that  "kept me out". Inspired by this need, I had a
> > > more comprehensive look at the full description.
> > >
> > > The previous version of the description [1] had a few areas to improve
> > > based on the current needs and realities of this list. I name a couple
> > > of them below:
> > >
> > > * We had a note about the frequency of emails to this list to be kept
> > > low. With the stack of technologies available to us today, we can
> > > relax this condition and ask for people to use tags/topics in the
> > > subject of their emails to allow for more emails to come to the list.
> > >
> > > * The note on who can post to this list could be improved. It read
> > > "only people who are actively involved in research on Wikimedia
> > > projects should post to this list" while my understanding is that on
> > > this list we want to welcome research related questions from those who
> > > are not actively involved in research, too. For example, community
> > > organizers should feel welcome to ask research-related questions on
> > > this list.
> > >
> > > ==What process did I follow for this change?==
> > > I wrote my proposed changes in an etherpad and sent it to 10 people.
> > > These folks include the two other admins of this list, a couple of
> > > other Research folks from WMF, a few folks from the Wikimedia Research
> > > community, and two editors from the community who are active in the
> > > research space. I heard back from 3 of these folks with thumbs up and
> > > areas for improvement. I incorporated all the suggestions I received.
> > >
> > > ==What if you have suggestions for improvements?==
> > > Sure. Bring them up on this thread or privately. Please note that I
> > > will be in Wikidata Conference [2] and after that in our annual
> > > Research Offsite and may not be able to respond to you until
> > > 2019-11-01.
> > >
> > > ==Where can I see the updated description?==
> > > Please go to
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
> > > to review it.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Leila
> > >
> > > [1] Read the previous version of the description below:
> > >
> > > The purpose of this mailing list is to discuss scientific research
> > > into the content and the communities of the Wikimedia projects:
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> > > <LI>discussions of methodology
> > > <LI>questions and answers about related projects
> > > </UL>
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Re: Some changes to this mailing list

metasj
Warmly seconded !

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 11:29 AM Aaron Halfaker <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Cheers!  Thanks Leila for pushing on this.  I think we have a far better
> landing page now.
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 7:50 PM Leila Zia <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Thanks for the words of encouragement on and off-list. Aaron (cc-ed)
> > and I did another pass over the text itself as well as the
> > look-and-feel of it and pushed a new version that you can now read at
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l .
> >
> > The most important items you should be aware of:
> >
> > * We dropped the [wmf] tag because my specific purpose for introducing
> > that tag, we think, can be handled by me posting emails with a
> > specific subject format.
> >
> > * We dropped the "Moderation" section as we thought it's redundant for
> > the most part. Many know that lists are moderated. (We did discuss
> > whether it is important to keep some version of the text for a more
> > inclusive culture but decided to not go with it at the end.)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Leila
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 9:54 PM Heather Ford <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Looks great, Leila :)
> > >
> > > ---------------------------
> > >
> > > Dr Heather Ford
> > > Associate Professor and Head of Discipline (Digital and Social Media
> > > <
> >
> https://www.uts.edu.au/future-students/communication/digital-and-social-media
> > >
> > > )
> > > School of Communication
> > > <
> >
> https://www.uts.edu.au/future-students/communication/about-communication/welcome-school-communication
> > >,
> > > University of Technology, Sydney <https://www.uts.edu.au/> (UTS)
> > >
> > > w: hblog.org / t: @hfordsa <http://www.twitter.com/hfordsa>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 at 12:40, Leila Zia <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Summary: I have made changes to the introduction description of this
> > > > mailing list. This includes changes to what this mailing list is used
> > > > for (reflecting more closely the reality of how it's been used for
> the
> > > > past couple of years), more expanded information about other lists
> > > > that you may want to be aware of, the mailing list norms, and the
> > > > introduction of topics and tags. You can review the updated
> > > > description at
> > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
> > > > . As a participant of this mailing list, you are responsible to know
> > > > the description of the mailing list and I kindly ask you to review
> it.
> > > > Thanks! :)
> > > >
> > > > Long version:
> > > >
> > > > ==Who am I?==
> > > > I'm one of the admins of this list (and head of Research at Wikimedia
> > > > Foundation).
> > > >
> > > > ==Why the change?==
> > > > On a personal level: I want to be able to communicate with the
> > > > research community around Wikimedia projects more often, I don't want
> > > > to create a new list for my communications, and I saw the note about
> > > > the limits on the frequency of posts in the old description of this
> > > > list as something that  "kept me out". Inspired by this need, I had a
> > > > more comprehensive look at the full description.
> > > >
> > > > The previous version of the description [1] had a few areas to
> improve
> > > > based on the current needs and realities of this list. I name a
> couple
> > > > of them below:
> > > >
> > > > * We had a note about the frequency of emails to this list to be kept
> > > > low. With the stack of technologies available to us today, we can
> > > > relax this condition and ask for people to use tags/topics in the
> > > > subject of their emails to allow for more emails to come to the list.
> > > >
> > > > * The note on who can post to this list could be improved. It read
> > > > "only people who are actively involved in research on Wikimedia
> > > > projects should post to this list" while my understanding is that on
> > > > this list we want to welcome research related questions from those
> who
> > > > are not actively involved in research, too. For example, community
> > > > organizers should feel welcome to ask research-related questions on
> > > > this list.
> > > >
> > > > ==What process did I follow for this change?==
> > > > I wrote my proposed changes in an etherpad and sent it to 10 people.
> > > > These folks include the two other admins of this list, a couple of
> > > > other Research folks from WMF, a few folks from the Wikimedia
> Research
> > > > community, and two editors from the community who are active in the
> > > > research space. I heard back from 3 of these folks with thumbs up and
> > > > areas for improvement. I incorporated all the suggestions I received.
> > > >
> > > > ==What if you have suggestions for improvements?==
> > > > Sure. Bring them up on this thread or privately. Please note that I
> > > > will be in Wikidata Conference [2] and after that in our annual
> > > > Research Offsite and may not be able to respond to you until
> > > > 2019-11-01.
> > > >
> > > > ==Where can I see the updated description?==
> > > > Please go to
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
> > > > to review it.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Leila
> > > >
> > > > [1] Read the previous version of the description below:
> > > >
> > > > The purpose of this mailing list is to discuss scientific research
> > > > into the content and the communities of the Wikimedia projects:
> > > > Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikibooks, Wikisource, Wikiquote, Wikinews,
> > > > Wikispecies, and Wikimedia Commons, Meta-Wiki.
> > > >
> > > > Research into the technology of Wikimedia, MediaWiki, should
> primarily
> > > > be discussed on <a
> > > > href="http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
> > > > ">wikitech-l</A>
> > > > instead. For content or community research projects with a strong
> > > > technological component, cross-posting to both lists may be
> advisable.
> > > >
> > > > Please note that only people who are actively involved in research on
> > > > Wikimedia projects should post to this list. Typical on-topic posts
> > > > include:
> > > >
> > > > <UL><LI>announcement of a new research project
> > > > <LI>discussions of methodology
> > > > <LI>questions and answers about related projects
> > > > </UL>
> > > >
> > > > Mailing list traffic should be kept at a reasonably low level. The
> > > > list is softly moderated, and individuals posting off-topic material
> > > > repeatedly may be removed.
> > > >
> > > > This list is not directly associated with the <a
> > > > href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research_Network
> > ">Wikimedia
> > > > Research Network</A>, though members of the Network are welcome to
> > > > post here if they are involved in research projects relating to
> > > > content or community. Internal Wikimedia matters, discussions of new
> > > > projects and similar threads should be kept off the list.
> > > >
> > > > [2] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikidataCon_2019
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Leila Zia
> > > > Principal Research Scientist, Head of Research
> > > > Wikimedia Foundation
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Wiki-research-l mailing list
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
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