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Three fundraising job openings

Erik Moeller-4
The Wikimedia Foundation has three new job openings related to
fundraising, open until May 15. The job descriptions and instructions
to apply can be found on the Wikimedia Foundation website:

1) A Head of Major Gifts (AKA Major Gifts Officer), responsible for
executing our major gifts strategy;

http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Head_of_Major_Gifts_%28Major_Gifts_Officer%29

2) A Head of Community Giving, responsible for our fundraising efforts
targeting the general public;

http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Head_of_Community_Giving

3) A Development Specialist responsible for managing donor information
and supporting the above two positions.

http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Development_Specialist

If you are interested, please apply before May 15. Also, if you know
individuals who might be a good fit for any of these positions, please
feel free to forward this e-mail. Thank you. :-)
--
Erik Möller
Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation

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Re: Three fundraising job openings

Jon-146
Erik Moeller wrote:

> The Wikimedia Foundation has three new job openings related to
> fundraising, open until May 15. The job descriptions and instructions
> to apply can be found on the Wikimedia Foundation website:
>
> 1) A Head of Major Gifts (AKA Major Gifts Officer), responsible for
> executing our major gifts strategy;
>
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Head_of_Major_Gifts_%28Major_Gifts_Officer%29
>
> 2) A Head of Community Giving, responsible for our fundraising efforts
> targeting the general public;
>
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Head_of_Community_Giving
>
> 3) A Development Specialist responsible for managing donor information
> and supporting the above two positions.
>
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Development_Specialist
>
> If you are interested, please apply before May 15. Also, if you know
> individuals who might be a good fit for any of these positions, please
> feel free to forward this e-mail. Thank you. :-)
>  
Can these three jobs be tied into one person?

Jon

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Re: Three fundraising job openings

John at Darkstar
8 working hours per day, and 24 available hours a day, yes it should be
possible for one person...
8D

John

Jon skrev:

> Erik Moeller wrote:
>> The Wikimedia Foundation has three new job openings related to
>> fundraising, open until May 15. The job descriptions and instructions
>> to apply can be found on the Wikimedia Foundation website:
>>
>> 1) A Head of Major Gifts (AKA Major Gifts Officer), responsible for
>> executing our major gifts strategy;
>>
>> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Head_of_Major_Gifts_%28Major_Gifts_Officer%29
>>
>> 2) A Head of Community Giving, responsible for our fundraising efforts
>> targeting the general public;
>>
>> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Head_of_Community_Giving
>>
>> 3) A Development Specialist responsible for managing donor information
>> and supporting the above two positions.
>>
>> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Development_Specialist
>>
>> If you are interested, please apply before May 15. Also, if you know
>> individuals who might be a good fit for any of these positions, please
>> feel free to forward this e-mail. Thank you. :-)
>>  
> Can these three jobs be tied into one person?
>
> Jon
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Re: Three fundraising job openings

John Reaves
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Hopefully no.  Because that means the WMF gets so many donations that they
need 3 people to handle them ;)

--John Reaves

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Jon <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Erik Moeller wrote:
> > The Wikimedia Foundation has three new job openings related to
> > fundraising, open until May 15. The job descriptions and instructions
> > to apply can be found on the Wikimedia Foundation website:
> >
> > 1) A Head of Major Gifts (AKA Major Gifts Officer), responsible for
> > executing our major gifts strategy;
> >
> >
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Head_of_Major_Gifts_%28Major_Gifts_Officer%29
> >
> > 2) A Head of Community Giving, responsible for our fundraising efforts
> > targeting the general public;
> >
> >
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Head_of_Community_Giving
> >
> > 3) A Development Specialist responsible for managing donor information
> > and supporting the above two positions.
> >
> > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Development_Specialist
> >
> > If you are interested, please apply before May 15. Also, if you know
> > individuals who might be a good fit for any of these positions, please
> > feel free to forward this e-mail. Thank you. :-)
> >
> Can these three jobs be tied into one person?
>
> Jon
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Re: Three fundraising job openings

Jon-146
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I don't understand, did you mean, 8 hours a day * 5 days = 40 HRS/workweek.


Jon

John at Darkstar wrote:

> 8 working hours per day, and 24 available hours a day, yes it should be
> possible for one person...
> 8D
>
> John
>
> Jon skrev:
>  
>> Erik Moeller wrote:
>>    
>>> The Wikimedia Foundation has three new job openings related to
>>> fundraising, open until May 15. The job descriptions and instructions
>>> to apply can be found on the Wikimedia Foundation website:
>>>
>>> 1) A Head of Major Gifts (AKA Major Gifts Officer), responsible for
>>> executing our major gifts strategy;
>>>
>>> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Head_of_Major_Gifts_%28Major_Gifts_Officer%29
>>>
>>> 2) A Head of Community Giving, responsible for our fundraising efforts
>>> targeting the general public;
>>>
>>> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Head_of_Community_Giving
>>>
>>> 3) A Development Specialist responsible for managing donor information
>>> and supporting the above two positions.
>>>
>>> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Development_Specialist
>>>
>>> If you are interested, please apply before May 15. Also, if you know
>>> individuals who might be a good fit for any of these positions, please
>>> feel free to forward this e-mail. Thank you. :-)
>>>  
>>>      
>> Can these three jobs be tied into one person?
>>
>> Jon
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Re: Three fundraising job openings

Mark (Markie)
3 people, each working a 8 hrs day (ish) would mean that technically it
could be done by one person

mark

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Jon <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I don't understand, did you mean, 8 hours a day * 5 days = 40
> HRS/workweek.
>
>
> Jon
>
> John at Darkstar wrote:
> > 8 working hours per day, and 24 available hours a day, yes it should be
> > possible for one person...
> > 8D
> >
> > John
> >
> > Jon skrev:
> >
> >> Erik Moeller wrote:
> >>
> >>> The Wikimedia Foundation has three new job openings related to
> >>> fundraising, open until May 15. The job descriptions and instructions
> >>> to apply can be found on the Wikimedia Foundation website:
> >>>
> >>> 1) A Head of Major Gifts (AKA Major Gifts Officer), responsible for
> >>> executing our major gifts strategy;
> >>>
> >>>
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Head_of_Major_Gifts_%28Major_Gifts_Officer%29
> >>>
> >>> 2) A Head of Community Giving, responsible for our fundraising efforts
> >>> targeting the general public;
> >>>
> >>>
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Head_of_Community_Giving
> >>>
> >>> 3) A Development Specialist responsible for managing donor information
> >>> and supporting the above two positions.
> >>>
> >>>
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Development_Specialist
> >>>
> >>> If you are interested, please apply before May 15. Also, if you know
> >>> individuals who might be a good fit for any of these positions, please
> >>> feel free to forward this e-mail. Thank you. :-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Can these three jobs be tied into one person?
> >>
> >> Jon
> >>
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Re: Three fundraising job openings

Chad
*facepalm*

Do we honestly need 3 more employees all doing the same thing? I really
think a dedicated "Donations Coordinator" could accomplish the same
thing, rather than making 3 positions, at least at this point in time.

Not to mention, assuming they each start at $80,000/yr, that's nearly a
quarter of a million dollars in new salaries. While the new large donations
have helped, they by no means have insured a multi-year massive increase
in salaries (remember, these aren't the only new hires!). I won't even
bother asking if our budget can cover this (the answer, truth or not, will
be "yes")...I do however have one question:

How much money does this leave for the kids in Africa we're helping?
Or the PDF print-on-demand we're doing? Or even helping Kaltura
develop it's for-profit venture, heaven forbid? We've got a long list
of things we're helping, and I don't see much work being done towards
/that/. As much as these goals strike me as lip-service and promises
to woo donations, at least they're a better spending money on
excessive jobs with even more excessive titles.

The Foundation getting these large grants reminds me of getting my
first credit card...it put this mentality of "I'll buy it now and figure out
how to pay it later" into my head. I hope to God the Foundation
doesn't make the same mistake.

-Chad

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Mark (Markie)
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> 3 people, each working a 8 hrs day (ish) would mean that technically it
>  could be done by one person
>
>  mark
>
>
>
>  On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Jon <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>  > I don't understand, did you mean, 8 hours a day * 5 days = 40
>  > HRS/workweek.
>  >
>  >
>  > Jon
>  >
>  > John at Darkstar wrote:
>  > > 8 working hours per day, and 24 available hours a day, yes it should be
>  > > possible for one person...
>  > > 8D
>  > >
>  > > John
>  > >
>  > > Jon skrev:
>  > >
>  > >> Erik Moeller wrote:
>  > >>
>  > >>> The Wikimedia Foundation has three new job openings related to
>  > >>> fundraising, open until May 15. The job descriptions and instructions
>  > >>> to apply can be found on the Wikimedia Foundation website:
>  > >>>
>  > >>> 1) A Head of Major Gifts (AKA Major Gifts Officer), responsible for
>  > >>> executing our major gifts strategy;
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Head_of_Major_Gifts_%28Major_Gifts_Officer%29
>  > >>>
>  > >>> 2) A Head of Community Giving, responsible for our fundraising efforts
>  > >>> targeting the general public;
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Head_of_Community_Giving
>  > >>>
>  > >>> 3) A Development Specialist responsible for managing donor information
>  > >>> and supporting the above two positions.
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Development_Specialist
>  > >>>
>  > >>> If you are interested, please apply before May 15. Also, if you know
>  > >>> individuals who might be a good fit for any of these positions, please
>  > >>> feel free to forward this e-mail. Thank you. :-)
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >> Can these three jobs be tied into one person?
>  > >>
>  > >> Jon
>  > >>
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Re: Three fundraising job openings

Robert Rohde
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Chad <[hidden email]> wrote:

> *facepalm*
>
> Do we honestly need 3 more employees all doing the same thing? I really
> think a dedicated "Donations Coordinator" could accomplish the same
> thing, rather than making 3 positions, at least at this point in time.
>
> Not to mention, assuming they each start at $80,000/yr, that's nearly a
> quarter of a million dollars in new salaries. While the new large
> donations
> have helped, they by no means have insured a multi-year massive increase
> in salaries (remember, these aren't the only new hires!). I won't even
> bother asking if our budget can cover this (the answer, truth or not, will
> be "yes")...I do however have one question:
>
> How much money does this leave for the kids in Africa we're helping?
> Or the PDF print-on-demand we're doing? Or even helping Kaltura
> develop it's for-profit venture, heaven forbid? We've got a long list
> of things we're helping, and I don't see much work being done towards
> /that/. As much as these goals strike me as lip-service and promises
> to woo donations, at least they're a better spending money on
> excessive jobs with even more excessive titles.
>
> The Foundation getting these large grants reminds me of getting my
> first credit card...it put this mentality of "I'll buy it now and figure
> out
> how to pay it later" into my head. I hope to God the Foundation
> doesn't make the same mistake.



Spend $1 to make $5.  Fundraising is a special case, in that each new hire
would be expected to directly lead to additional income far exceeding their
salary.  While there would be a point of diminishing returns, I don't think
3 hires is at that point.

Also, keep in mind that even though the fund drives have done well in
absolute terms (e.g. $2 million in the last one), there have been very
substantial portions of those efforts that were rushed or outright
mismanaged.  Taking fundraising more seriously should offer the opportunity
for substantial improvments.  I'm glad to see the Foundation taking these
steps.

-Robert Rohde
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Re: Three fundraising job openings

George William Herbert
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On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Chad <[hidden email]> wrote:
>  Do we honestly need 3 more employees all doing the same thing? I really
>  think a dedicated "Donations Coordinator" could accomplish the same
>  thing, rather than making 3 positions, at least at this point in time.

These type of employees usually pay for themselves many many times
over in the increased donations.  I have heard of exceptions, and
hopefully Erik, Sue, and the Board will reverse this if the donations
don't come through accordingly.

But... if one looks out there at donating entities, foundations and
rich individuals and companies and the like, there's a lot of
charitable money out there that the Foundation should be going after,
and the bandwidth and focused job role of doing so seems like an
excellent idea to me.

We want the foundation to be stable, growing, build an endowment, be
able to help with creating and encouraging open content not just
within the context of the projects but in society as a whole.  Those
things aren't going to be cheap.  There is donor money out there.  If
we want to do those things, we need that donor money.

"Growing up" to the point that we acknowledge that, create the
positions, hire for them, and then execute on chasing and catching
donations of appropriate scope is an important evolution for the
Foundation.  It's a good idea.  It's a necessary set of steps in the
long term.


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Re: Three fundraising job openings

Dan Rosenthal
I think we're far to early to pass judgment over whether the 3  
positions are cost effective without a) knowing the salaries, which I  
doubt we will, and b) seeing how well they perform, and c) actually  
hiring anyone yet.

-Dan
On Apr 17, 2008, at 9:52 PM, George Herbert wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Chad <[hidden email]>  
> wrote:
>> Do we honestly need 3 more employees all doing the same thing? I  
>> really
>> think a dedicated "Donations Coordinator" could accomplish the same
>> thing, rather than making 3 positions, at least at this point in  
>> time.
>
> These type of employees usually pay for themselves many many times
> over in the increased donations.  I have heard of exceptions, and
> hopefully Erik, Sue, and the Board will reverse this if the donations
> don't come through accordingly.
>
> But... if one looks out there at donating entities, foundations and
> rich individuals and companies and the like, there's a lot of
> charitable money out there that the Foundation should be going after,
> and the bandwidth and focused job role of doing so seems like an
> excellent idea to me.
>
> We want the foundation to be stable, growing, build an endowment, be
> able to help with creating and encouraging open content not just
> within the context of the projects but in society as a whole.  Those
> things aren't going to be cheap.  There is donor money out there.  If
> we want to do those things, we need that donor money.
>
> "Growing up" to the point that we acknowledge that, create the
> positions, hire for them, and then execute on chasing and catching
> donations of appropriate scope is an important evolution for the
> Foundation.  It's a good idea.  It's a necessary set of steps in the
> long term.
>
>
> --
> -george william herbert
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Re: Three fundraising job openings

George William Herbert
Dan, I can't predict the future any better than you can 8-)

However...

The general observations remain.  Other nonprofits use such people, to
do the same things, to drive large parts of their fundraising.  This
is normal and par for the course in the organized charity realm.

What the WMF wants to do, what we've asked the foundation to do, do
require these types of growth.

It's possible that executing on this will not go well, but trying to
do it seems clearly appropriate.


-george

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Dan Rosenthal <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I think we're far to early to pass judgment over whether the 3
>  positions are cost effective without a) knowing the salaries, which I
>  doubt we will, and b) seeing how well they perform, and c) actually
>  hiring anyone yet.
>
>  -Dan
>
>
> On Apr 17, 2008, at 9:52 PM, George Herbert wrote:
>
>  > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Chad <[hidden email]>
>  > wrote:
>  >> Do we honestly need 3 more employees all doing the same thing? I
>  >> really
>  >> think a dedicated "Donations Coordinator" could accomplish the same
>  >> thing, rather than making 3 positions, at least at this point in
>  >> time.
>  >
>  > These type of employees usually pay for themselves many many times
>  > over in the increased donations.  I have heard of exceptions, and
>  > hopefully Erik, Sue, and the Board will reverse this if the donations
>  > don't come through accordingly.
>  >
>  > But... if one looks out there at donating entities, foundations and
>  > rich individuals and companies and the like, there's a lot of
>  > charitable money out there that the Foundation should be going after,
>  > and the bandwidth and focused job role of doing so seems like an
>  > excellent idea to me.
>  >
>  > We want the foundation to be stable, growing, build an endowment, be
>  > able to help with creating and encouraging open content not just
>  > within the context of the projects but in society as a whole.  Those
>  > things aren't going to be cheap.  There is donor money out there.  If
>  > we want to do those things, we need that donor money.
>  >
>  > "Growing up" to the point that we acknowledge that, create the
>  > positions, hire for them, and then execute on chasing and catching
>  > donations of appropriate scope is an important evolution for the
>  > Foundation.  It's a good idea.  It's a necessary set of steps in the
>  > long term.
>  >
>  >
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Re: Three fundraising job openings

Dan Rosenthal
I don't disagree with you. Though I think that starting with one and  
slowly work their way might be an alternative, I don't see anything  
wrong with three fundraising staff members. I'm just saying we don't  
even have them yet, so it's a bit early to speculate on them.

-Dan
On Apr 17, 2008, at 10:08 PM, George Herbert wrote:

> Dan, I can't predict the future any better than you can 8-)
>
> However...
>
> The general observations remain.  Other nonprofits use such people, to
> do the same things, to drive large parts of their fundraising.  This
> is normal and par for the course in the organized charity realm.
>
> What the WMF wants to do, what we've asked the foundation to do, do
> require these types of growth.
>
> It's possible that executing on this will not go well, but trying to
> do it seems clearly appropriate.
>
>
> -george
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Dan Rosenthal  
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I think we're far to early to pass judgment over whether the 3
>> positions are cost effective without a) knowing the salaries, which I
>> doubt we will, and b) seeing how well they perform, and c) actually
>> hiring anyone yet.
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2008, at 9:52 PM, George Herbert wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Chad <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Do we honestly need 3 more employees all doing the same thing? I
>>>> really
>>>> think a dedicated "Donations Coordinator" could accomplish the same
>>>> thing, rather than making 3 positions, at least at this point in
>>>> time.
>>>
>>> These type of employees usually pay for themselves many many times
>>> over in the increased donations.  I have heard of exceptions, and
>>> hopefully Erik, Sue, and the Board will reverse this if the  
>>> donations
>>> don't come through accordingly.
>>>
>>> But... if one looks out there at donating entities, foundations and
>>> rich individuals and companies and the like, there's a lot of
>>> charitable money out there that the Foundation should be going  
>>> after,
>>> and the bandwidth and focused job role of doing so seems like an
>>> excellent idea to me.
>>>
>>> We want the foundation to be stable, growing, build an endowment, be
>>> able to help with creating and encouraging open content not just
>>> within the context of the projects but in society as a whole.  Those
>>> things aren't going to be cheap.  There is donor money out there.  
>>> If
>>> we want to do those things, we need that donor money.
>>>
>>> "Growing up" to the point that we acknowledge that, create the
>>> positions, hire for them, and then execute on chasing and catching
>>> donations of appropriate scope is an important evolution for the
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Re: Three fundraising job openings

Nathan Awrich
Does every decision, whether about confidentiality in negotiations or new
hires
(to perform the fundraising that is consistently demanded on this list) need
to be
quarterbacked by people whose overt qualifications are participating in a
mailing
list? Credentials aren't required for editing articles, because it makes
sense not
to. On the other hand, amateur volunteers don't operate multi-million dollar
companies
on a day to day basis. Chad, Jon, Thomas, others - don't you think it makes
sense
to stay focused on the big picture and the Board, and trust that until
demonstrated
otherwise the Foundation has the right people in the right place to make
sure it
stays afloat? Do we really need to question, at each hire, if the salary is
in the
budget? Valid criticism on major issues is totally separate from sniping at
every
single announcement.

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Re: Three fundraising job openings

Michael Snow-3
In reply to this post by Dan Rosenthal
Dan Rosenthal wrote:
> I don't disagree with you. Though I think that starting with one and  
> slowly work their way might be an alternative, I don't see anything  
> wrong with three fundraising staff members. I'm just saying we don't  
> even have them yet, so it's a bit early to speculate on them.
>  
For the major gifts position and the community giving position we're
looking for a rather different set of skills, because the approaches
required are quite distinct. The skillsets aren't likely to overlap much
in one person, so it doesn't make sense to try to shoehorn
responsibility for both into the first plausible candidate. That is in a
sense the staffing approach that has gotten Wikimedia into no end of
problems in the past.

I expect Sue may fill one or another of these positions more quickly,
depending on the applicant pool. But effectively moving forward with a
diversified fundraising strategy requires all of them in the end.

--Michael Snow


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Re: Three fundraising job openings

Effe iets anders
Maybe a question with an obvious reply, in that case please forgive my
ignorance. Could you (Erik, Michael, or anyone else who spotted the answer
already) elaborate a bit on what is meant by "community giving"? It sounds
to me like it is asking the editing community to give more money, but that
would strike me a bit as odd, as my amateuristic expectation would be that
most of the fundraising money is coming from the visitors, not as much from
the editors.

Finally, I hope very much that this will finally lead to a better strategy
with respect to Europe, where quite some chances have been missed in the
past imho (with respect to paying methods for example), so I hope that the
person who gets this job does not only speak at least one other language to
understand what translating is about, but also has experience with
fundraising in at least two continents (but I am afraid this will be a tough
skill set to find :) )

For the rest I agree with Nathan, and I'll shut up with my doubts here, as
we will have to work with and trust on the expert staff members we have
asked to do this part of the job for us. What I do hope is that volunteers
will remain to be actively involved in the process.

Best regards,

Lodewijk

2008/4/18, Michael Snow <[hidden email]>:

>
> Dan Rosenthal wrote:
> > I don't disagree with you. Though I think that starting with one and
> > slowly work their way might be an alternative, I don't see anything
> > wrong with three fundraising staff members. I'm just saying we don't
> > even have them yet, so it's a bit early to speculate on them.
> >
>
> For the major gifts position and the community giving position we're
> looking for a rather different set of skills, because the approaches
> required are quite distinct. The skillsets aren't likely to overlap much
> in one person, so it doesn't make sense to try to shoehorn
> responsibility for both into the first plausible candidate. That is in a
> sense the staffing approach that has gotten Wikimedia into no end of
> problems in the past.
>
> I expect Sue may fill one or another of these positions more quickly,
> depending on the applicant pool. But effectively moving forward with a
> diversified fundraising strategy requires all of them in the end.
>
>
> --Michael Snow
>
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Re: Three fundraising job openings

Delphine Ménard
I'll try and explain.

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:39 AM, effe iets anders
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> Maybe a question with an obvious reply, in that case please forgive my
>  ignorance. Could you (Erik, Michael, or anyone else who spotted the answer
>  already) elaborate a bit on what is meant by "community giving"? It sounds
>  to me like it is asking the editing community to give more money, but that
>  would strike me a bit as odd, as my amateuristic expectation would be that
>  most of the fundraising money is coming from the visitors, not as much from
>  the editors.

Community giving (and as I understand, it was quite hard to actually
find a "name" for that position), refers to the people, readers,
editors, contributors, friends who have helped our projects (primarily
with money, since we already have a volunteer coordinator :-)). The
idea is that Wikimedia is, to some extent unusual, in that the greater
part of its fundraising happens online for one, and also mainly comes
from "small donors" like you and I. However, you will grant me that
"Head of "small donors" somehow does not sound as good. Basically, we
don't know most of our supporters, why they support us, why they would
continue to support us and why they would stop supporting us. I do
believe that this position, which in the first part will dedicate to
understanding our donors and in the second will help develop the right
communication(s) towards them, is an essential part of our fundraising
strategy.

So, no, the "community" in this job description is not "the community
of editing contributors" but rather the "community of supporters who
support in their own little way". Community is a term that refers to
more than just "our community", there are lots of "communities" out
there and we need to talk to/with them about how they can best support
us.

>
>  Finally, I hope very much that this will finally lead to a better strategy
>  with respect to Europe, where quite some chances have been missed in the
>  past imho (with respect to paying methods for example), so I hope that the
>  person who gets this job does not only speak at least one other language to
>  understand what translating is about, but also has experience with
>  fundraising in at least two continents (but I am afraid this will be a tough
>  skill set to find :) )

Of course, I agree with you. I hope that chapters and active local
communities/editors will get to work closely with the people in these
new positions in order to share their knowledge, cultural awareness
and help them choose the best strategies for effective fundraising. I
am sure that bar a few succesful countries, Wikimedia as a whole still
needs to work a lot on localizing its base support.


Cheers,

Delphine
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Re: Three fundraising job openings

Cormac Lawler
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On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Erik Moeller <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> 3) A Development Specialist responsible for managing donor information
> and supporting the above two positions.
>
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Development_Specialist
>


I think it's great to see these hirings in process. However, I'd suggest
that the above job title, "Development Specialist" is potentially confusing.
Personally, coming from an NGO background, "development" refers to human
development - access to basic human needs, and opportunity to alleviate
oneself and one's community from poverty. I'm sure it means all sorts of
things in different sectors - not to mention "developers", which have a
specific meaning in our technologically based domain. I would suggest at
least specifying in the title that the post relates to fundraising, and, if
we're to keep the word "development", clarifying what that means in the job
description.

Cormac
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Re: Three fundraising job openings

Florence Devouard-3
In reply to this post by Effe iets anders
effe iets anders wrote:
> Maybe a question with an obvious reply, in that case please forgive my
> ignorance. Could you (Erik, Michael, or anyone else who spotted the answer
> already) elaborate a bit on what is meant by "community giving"? It sounds
> to me like it is asking the editing community to give more money, but that
> would strike me a bit as odd, as my amateuristic expectation would be that
> most of the fundraising money is coming from the visitors, not as much from
> the editors.

:-)
It recovers essentially fundraiser made through the website (eg, small
donations by many donors).
It comes from a definition of "community" which is larger than the one
we are usually accustomed to. But essentially, it means "every reader of
our projects who might care send 10 dollars via paypal".

Ant


>
> Finally, I hope very much that this will finally lead to a better strategy
> with respect to Europe, where quite some chances have been missed in the
> past imho (with respect to paying methods for example), so I hope that the
> person who gets this job does not only speak at least one other language to
> understand what translating is about, but also has experience with
> fundraising in at least two continents (but I am afraid this will be a tough
> skill set to find :) )
>
> For the rest I agree with Nathan, and I'll shut up with my doubts here, as
> we will have to work with and trust on the expert staff members we have
> asked to do this part of the job for us. What I do hope is that volunteers
> will remain to be actively involved in the process.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lodewijk
>
> 2008/4/18, Michael Snow <[hidden email]>:
>> Dan Rosenthal wrote:
>>> I don't disagree with you. Though I think that starting with one and
>>> slowly work their way might be an alternative, I don't see anything
>>> wrong with three fundraising staff members. I'm just saying we don't
>>> even have them yet, so it's a bit early to speculate on them.
>>>
>> For the major gifts position and the community giving position we're
>> looking for a rather different set of skills, because the approaches
>> required are quite distinct. The skillsets aren't likely to overlap much
>> in one person, so it doesn't make sense to try to shoehorn
>> responsibility for both into the first plausible candidate. That is in a
>> sense the staffing approach that has gotten Wikimedia into no end of
>> problems in the past.
>>
>> I expect Sue may fill one or another of these positions more quickly,
>> depending on the applicant pool. But effectively moving forward with a
>> diversified fundraising strategy requires all of them in the end.
>>
>>
>> --Michael Snow
>>
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Re: Three fundraising job openings

KIZU Naoko
This reminds me a talk which I had with a researcher and FLOSS guy recently.

He said he hesitated to think himself as a Wikipedian, despite of his
occasional editing on Wikipedia (I forgot either as an anon or a
registered user). I asked why, and he replied "I don't commit
Wikipedia so much. I haven't contributed (money, in this context) to
the project". He continued he thought he could call himself as a
supporter of FSF, since he regularly contributed to. I explained we
rather thought (registered) editors as Wikipedians (or whatever) and
donation is no sole form of contribution, but I found this idea
interesting and very excited to see the idea to cultivate the
community of donors.

Cheers,

In Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Florence Devouard <[hidden email]> wrote:

> effe iets anders wrote:
>  > Maybe a question with an obvious reply, in that case please forgive my
>  > ignorance. Could you (Erik, Michael, or anyone else who spotted the answer
>  > already) elaborate a bit on what is meant by "community giving"? It sounds
>  > to me like it is asking the editing community to give more money, but that
>  > would strike me a bit as odd, as my amateuristic expectation would be that
>  > most of the fundraising money is coming from the visitors, not as much from
>  > the editors.
>
>  :-)
>  It recovers essentially fundraiser made through the website (eg, small
>  donations by many donors).
>  It comes from a definition of "community" which is larger than the one
>  we are usually accustomed to. But essentially, it means "every reader of
>  our projects who might care send 10 dollars via paypal".
>
>  Ant
>
>
>
>
>  >
>  > Finally, I hope very much that this will finally lead to a better strategy
>  > with respect to Europe, where quite some chances have been missed in the
>  > past imho (with respect to paying methods for example), so I hope that the
>  > person who gets this job does not only speak at least one other language to
>  > understand what translating is about, but also has experience with
>  > fundraising in at least two continents (but I am afraid this will be a tough
>  > skill set to find :) )
>  >
>  > For the rest I agree with Nathan, and I'll shut up with my doubts here, as
>  > we will have to work with and trust on the expert staff members we have
>  > asked to do this part of the job for us. What I do hope is that volunteers
>  > will remain to be actively involved in the process.
>  >
>  > Best regards,
>  >
>  > Lodewijk
>  >
>  > 2008/4/18, Michael Snow <[hidden email]>:
>  >> Dan Rosenthal wrote:
>  >>> I don't disagree with you. Though I think that starting with one and
>  >>> slowly work their way might be an alternative, I don't see anything
>  >>> wrong with three fundraising staff members. I'm just saying we don't
>  >>> even have them yet, so it's a bit early to speculate on them.
>  >>>
>  >> For the major gifts position and the community giving position we're
>  >> looking for a rather different set of skills, because the approaches
>  >> required are quite distinct. The skillsets aren't likely to overlap much
>  >> in one person, so it doesn't make sense to try to shoehorn
>  >> responsibility for both into the first plausible candidate. That is in a
>  >> sense the staffing approach that has gotten Wikimedia into no end of
>  >> problems in the past.
>  >>
>  >> I expect Sue may fill one or another of these positions more quickly,
>  >> depending on the applicant pool. But effectively moving forward with a
>  >> diversified fundraising strategy requires all of them in the end.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> --Michael Snow
>  >>
>  >>
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Re: Three fundraising job openings

Andrew Gray
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On 18/04/2008, Cormac Lawler <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Personally, coming from an NGO background, "development" refers to human
> development - access to basic human needs, and opportunity to alleviate
> oneself and one's community from poverty. I'm sure it means all sorts of
> things in different sectors - not to mention "developers", which have a
> specific meaning in our technologically based domain. I would suggest at
> least specifying in the title that the post relates to fundraising, and, if
> we're to keep the word "development", clarifying what that means in the job
> description.

"Development" is certainly a common euphemism for "fundraising" used
in the education sector, FWIW - there's a "Development Director"
upstairs at my current employer, for example, and a friend was
recently the "Development Manager" for a university*. It's certainly
not a particularly unusual term, in my experience.

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* He is now the "Foundation Director" for a largish private school,
which is the other common euphemism used in the sector for "the guy
who extorts donations", but that would be even more confusing for us,
I fear!

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