Time Between edits - difference between RevisionID and {{NUMBEROFEDITS}}

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Time Between edits - difference between RevisionID and {{NUMBEROFEDITS}}

WereSpielChequers-2
One of our longest running sets of stats on Wikipedia is the time between ten million edits - we now have stats for this over a fifteen year period.

After emailing User:Katalaveno and getting their agreement I have moved https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Katalaveno/TBE&redirect=no to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Time_Between_Edits and am making a few changes.

One area that perhaps someone on this list can explain is the difference between number of edits as measured by revisionID and as measured by NUMBEROFEDITS - the difference is over a hundred million. That is too big a number for it to be a measure of logged admin actions, unless when you delete a page it increments number of edits for each revision deleted. It might be in the right ballpark to giveĀ  a measure of edit conflicts, if so it would be very good to have a measure of something we had thought unmeasurable.

So I'm wondering if anyone on this list knows the difference between {{NUMBEROFEDITS}}. and revisionID

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Re: Time Between edits - difference between RevisionID and {{NUMBEROFEDITS}}

Federico Leva (Nemo)
Statistics of total (content) edit rate are also available on WikiStats
at https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesDatabaseEdits.htm etc.

Edit and revert trends charts tend to be more useful:
https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/PlotsPngEditHistoryTop.htm

WereSpielChequers, 25/01/2017 16:10:
> One area that perhaps someone on this list can explain is the difference
> between number of edits as measured by revisionID and as measured by
> NUMBEROFEDITS

{{NUMBEROFEDITS}} and other magic words, just like Special:Statistics,
should be assumed to be cached and not necessarily current or correct.
They shouldn't be relied upon for any serious usage, except perhaps
after a successful run of initSiteStats.php --update .

That said, both {{NUMBEROFEDITS}} and the total number of edits in
Special:Statistics are supposed to count the number of revisions,
included deleted ones.
<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/MW/browse/master/includes/SiteStats.php;b843994408cd0b4d9f2676ae87225258e0497913$135>
<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/MW/browse/master/includes/parser/Parser.php;b843994408cd0b4d9f2676ae87225258e0497913$2775>

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Re: Time Between edits - difference between RevisionID and {{NUMBEROFEDITS}}

WereSpielChequers-2
Thanks Nemo,

Those stats work on live edits in article space, hence the figures of about 3.5 million a month in the UK as opposed to the 5 million revision IDs.

The ten million interval data is calculated from the rawest of raw data, the actual revision IDs. They started at 1 in January 2002, so it is possible that numberofedits is partly different due to the first years edits, but as the next million took 17 months I'm not expecting that the first year was a million, let alone 100 million.

If {{NUMBEROFEDITS}} is just corrupt data then that's unfortunate, but if it were for example being incremented for each edit saved or otherwise then that would give us a count for edit conflicts, so it would be good to find out what it actually measures.


On 25 January 2017 at 15:37, Federico Leva (Nemo) <[hidden email]> wrote:
Statistics of total (content) edit rate are also available on WikiStats at https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesDatabaseEdits.htm etc.

Edit and revert trends charts tend to be more useful: https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/PlotsPngEditHistoryTop.htm

WereSpielChequers, 25/01/2017 16:10:
One area that perhaps someone on this list can explain is the difference
between number of edits as measured by revisionID and as measured by
NUMBEROFEDITS

{{NUMBEROFEDITS}} and other magic words, just like Special:Statistics, should be assumed to be cached and not necessarily current or correct. They shouldn't be relied upon for any serious usage, except perhaps after a successful run of initSiteStats.php --update .

That said, both {{NUMBEROFEDITS}} and the total number of edits in Special:Statistics are supposed to count the number of revisions, included deleted ones.
<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/MW/browse/master/includes/SiteStats.php;b843994408cd0b4d9f2676ae87225258e0497913$135>
<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/MW/browse/master/includes/parser/Parser.php;b843994408cd0b4d9f2676ae87225258e0497913$2775>

Nemo

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