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Two short research pages to Arabic, French, Japanese, Russian and Spanish

Benoît Evellin (Trizek)
Hello!

The Wikimedia Research team is developing a new algorithm that automatically recommends sections for editors to add to articles.  

They have built a test app for recommendations in *Arabic, French, Japanese, Russian and Spanish* and warmly welcome your help in translating their request for feedback message and the feedback instructions page in these 5 languages this week.  

Direct links for translations:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-Research%3AExpanding+Wikipedia+articles+across+languages%2FInter+language+approach%2FFeedback%2FMessage&language=en&action=page&filter= (6 items)

https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-Research%3AExpanding+Wikipedia+articles+across+languages%2FInter+language+approach%2FFeedback&language=en&action=page&filter= (24 items)

Thanks,
Benoît

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Re: Two short research pages to Arabic, French, Japanese, Russian and Spanish

Sylvain Chiron
Le 17/06/2019 à 10:10, Benoît Evellin (Trizek) a écrit :

> Hello!
>
> The Wikimedia Research team is developing a new algorithm that
> automatically recommends sections for editors to add to articles.  
>
> They have built a test app for recommendations in *Arabic, French,
> Japanese, Russian and Spanish* and warmly welcome your help in
> translating their request for feedback message and the feedback
> instructions page in these 5 languages this week.  
>
> Direct links for translations:
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-Research%3AExpanding+Wikipedia+articles+across+languages%2FInter+language+approach%2FFeedback%2FMessage&language=en&action=page&filter= (6
> items)
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-Research%3AExpanding+Wikipedia+articles+across+languages%2FInter+language+approach%2FFeedback&language=en&action=page&filter= (24
> items)

When translating messages 22, 23 and 24 on the main feedback page, I get
the following mesage:

Error saving translation: This namespace is reserved for content page
translations. The page you are trying to edit does not seem to
correspond any page marked for translation.


I’ve kept my translations of these messages into French in a text file
so please don’t translate again.

Concerning the testing tool, it always switches back to en.wikipedia,
and the ‘Skip Article’ button apparently takes articles only from
en.wikipedia. I feel it’s a bit restrictive.

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Re: Two short research pages to Arabic, French, Japanese, Russian and Spanish

Nick Wilson (Quiddity)


On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 11:43 AM Sylvain Chiron <[hidden email]> wrote:

When translating messages 22, 23 and 24 on the main feedback page, I get
the following mesage:

Error saving translation: This namespace is reserved for content page
translations. The page you are trying to edit does not seem to
correspond any page marked for translation.


I’ve kept my translations of these messages into French in a text file
so please don’t translate again.

Hi Sylvain
This error message comes from an occasional bug that is suspected to be related to the JobQueue.
TLDR: Wait a few minutes and try again - that usually solves it.
Other workarounds, and bug details, are in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221119

Cheers,
Nick

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Re: Two short research pages to Arabic, French, Japanese, Russian and Spanish

Sylvain Chiron
Le 17/06/2019 à 21:45, Nick Wilson (Quiddity) a écrit :

>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 11:43 AM Sylvain Chiron <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>
>     When translating messages 22, 23 and 24 on the main feedback page, I get
>     the following mesage:
>     “
>     Error saving translation: This namespace is reserved for content page
>     translations. The page you are trying to edit does not seem to
>     correspond any page marked for translation.
>     ”
>
>     I’ve kept my translations of these messages into French in a text file
>     so please don’t translate again.
>
>
> Hi Sylvain
> This error message comes from an occasional bug that is suspected to be
> related to the JobQueue.
> TLDR: Wait a few minutes and try again - that usually solves it.
> Other workarounds, and bug details, are in
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221119

Indeed it works now. Thanks :).

I also want to say that I would be glad to translate the testing app if
it can help. But if you don’t plan to make it translatable, then you
should wrap the button labels with <tvar> in the wiki page (so that I
don’t have to think about whether or not I must translate it).

And I’ve got another remark by the way. It’s that I prefer page links to
direct translation links :/ for the following reasons:
— often it does not select the right target language, because either I’m
not initially logged in (my browser cookies are reset at each new
session, because I feel that otherwise cookies are more useful to web
service providers than to web users) or your link specifies another
target language, and changing the target language is just as long as
clicking ‘Translate this page’ from the original page;
— it’s often good to see what the page looks like while you’re
translating it and even before you begin (i.e. look at the big thing
before helping on it, get some context information; I’m not just an
automatic translation tool, I’m somewhat interested in the thing);
— from the translation interface you can only access the original
version, while from the page you can access the translated version and
the translation interface (e.g. when translating Page to French you have
a link to Page but not to Page/fr; but from Page you have a link to
Page/fr and a link to translate into your usual language);
— the page link is more readable (the least important but still a bonus).

But well, do what you like — set a place to discuss/vote what the best
is, or simply continue to give your links. Anyway now that you’ve read
my feelings I should no longer be disturbed by direct translation links.
I’m sorry to be an anxious guy.

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Re: Two short research pages to Arabic, French, Japanese, Russian and Spanish

Nick Wilson (Quiddity)
On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 2:51 PM Sylvain Chiron <[hidden email]> wrote:
And I’ve got another remark by the way. It’s that I prefer page links to
direct translation links :/ for the following reasons:

Those are good points!
I think the Tech/News standard email setup works best, by providing both the page link, and the direct translation link (with no language specified in the URL) for those who prefer to get straight into the task. E.g. https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/translators-l/2019-June/004881.html but I agree that the page link is probably the most important. 
(I'm not involved with the Research test app, so I'll leave those questions for Benoît. :)


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Re: Two short research pages to Arabic, French, Japanese, Russian and Spanish

Benoît Evellin (Trizek)
My bad concerning the links. I usually give you the one without the language parameter but I skipped that one. Sorry.

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:40 AM Nick Wilson (Quiddity) <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 2:51 PM Sylvain Chiron <[hidden email]> wrote:
And I’ve got another remark by the way. It’s that I prefer page links to
direct translation links :/ for the following reasons:

Those are good points!
I think the Tech/News standard email setup works best, by providing both the page link, and the direct translation link (with no language specified in the URL) for those who prefer to get straight into the task. E.g. https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/translators-l/2019-June/004881.html but I agree that the page link is probably the most important. 
(I'm not involved with the Research test app, so I'll leave those questions for Benoît. :)

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Re: Two short research pages to Arabic, French, Japanese, Russian and Spanish

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For information, the miss of direct link to translated page has been reported on T190526.

Le 17/06/2019 à 23:51, Sylvain Chiron a écrit :
— from the translation interface you can only access the original
version, while from the page you can access the translated version and
the translation interface (e.g. when translating Page to French you have
a link to Page but not to Page/fr; but from Page you have a link to
Page/fr and a link to translate into your usual language);

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