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Use of http:// urls in wikimedia wiki emails

Billinghurst
Now that we push/force/encourage https:// connections, are we going to do
anything about the htpp:// addresses in the emails from the wikis that
alert to changes? I know that there is a bugzilla for this, and thought
that it would have been handled at the same time as the conversion of the
login.

Regards, Billinghurst

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Ryan Lane-2
If we switch the URLs to HTTPS we'll have issues with users in China and
Iran and we can't really use geoip targeting for this like we are for
log-in.


On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:40 AM, billinghurst <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Now that we push/force/encourage https:// connections, are we going to do
> anything about the htpp:// addresses in the emails from the wikis that
> alert to changes? I know that there is a bugzilla for this, and thought
> that it would have been handled at the same time as the conversion of the
> login.
>
> Regards, Billinghurst
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Gryllida
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Given what Ryan Lane said, I think this could be user preference (possibly tied to whether the user checked the "Always use a secure connection when logged in" box in preferences).

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Strainu
2013/9/4 Gryllida <[hidden email]>:
> Given what Ryan Lane said, I think this could be user preference (possibly tied to whether the user checked the "Always use a secure connection when logged in" box in preferences).


That would be the ideal, but I vaguely remember a previous thread
where some objections were raised regarding such a proposal. I can't
find it at this time though.

Anyhow, here's the bug: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39676


2013/9/3 Ryan Lane <[hidden email]>:
> If we switch the URLs to HTTPS we'll have issues with users in China and
> Iran and we can't really use geoip targeting for this like we are for
> log-in.

If what Gryllida proposed is unfeasible, why not apply the initial
idea you had for login and just disable https emails on a per-wiki
basis? It's not perfect, but it will probably satisfy the vast
majority of users.

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Re: Use of http:// urls in wikimedia wiki emails

Chris Steipp
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Strainu <[hidden email]> wrote:

> 2013/9/4 Gryllida <[hidden email]>:
> > Given what Ryan Lane said, I think this could be user preference
> (possibly tied to whether the user checked the "Always use a secure
> connection when logged in" box in preferences).
>
>
> That would be the ideal, but I vaguely remember a previous thread
> where some objections were raised regarding such a proposal. I can't
> find it at this time though.
>
> Anyhow, here's the bug:
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39676


Most of that discussion was before we had the preference. Now that we have
it, I think we should follow the user's preference, and then specifically
not enable this feature on zh/fa/etc where many users won't be able to
follow the links.
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Re: Use of http:// urls in wikimedia wiki emails

Tyler Romeo
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Chris Steipp <[hidden email]> wrote:

> and then specifically
> not enable this feature on zh/fa/etc where many users won't be able to
> follow the links.
>

Would this even be necessary? I think we can safely assume that if the user
is in China, etc. they will not have their HTTPS option turned on anyway.

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Chris Steipp
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Tyler Romeo <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 8:19 PM, Chris Steipp <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > and then specifically
> > not enable this feature on zh/fa/etc where many users won't be able to
> > follow the links.
> >
>
> Would this even be necessary? I think we can safely assume that if the user
> is in China, etc. they will not have their HTTPS option turned on anyway.
>

Problem is (I think) we defaulted it on, so most users in China have the
preference turned on, it just doesn't effect the login process since it's
overriden by the geoip lookup.
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Re: Use of http:// urls in wikimedia wiki emails

Tyler Romeo
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 8:43 PM, Chris Steipp <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Problem is (I think) we defaulted it on, so most users in China have the
> preference turned on, it just doesn't effect the login process since it's
> overriden by the geoip lookup.
>

Mhm makes sense.

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John Doe-27
Could the geoip check also disable the preference check mark?


On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Tyler Romeo <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 8:43 PM, Chris Steipp <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Problem is (I think) we defaulted it on, so most users in China have the
> > preference turned on, it just doesn't effect the login process since it's
> > overriden by the geoip lookup.
> >
>
> Mhm makes sense.
>
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Re: Use of http:// urls in wikimedia wiki emails

Derric Atzrott
>> > Problem is (I think) we defaulted it on, so most users in China have the
>> > preference turned on, it just doesn't effect the login process since it's
>> > overriden by the geoip lookup.
>> >
>>
>> Mhm makes sense.
>
>Could the geoip check also disable the preference check mark?

What if I am on vacation in China and want the preference to still be checked when I return home?

Thank you,
Derric Atzrott


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Re: Use of http:// urls in wikimedia wiki emails

Tyler Romeo
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On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 10:13 PM, John <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Could the geoip check also disable the preference check mark?


No because the geoip check is performed at the time of each request,
meaning it's not stored in the database or anything.

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Re: Use of http:// urls in wikimedia wiki emails

Marc-Andre
On 09/04/2013 10:49 AM, Tyler Romeo wrote:
> No because the geoip check is performed at the time of each request,
> meaning it's not stored in the database or anything.

Isn't that a relatively expensive operation that would gain from caching
anyways?

-- Marc


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Re: Use of http:// urls in wikimedia wiki emails

Chad
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Marc A. Pelletier <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 09/04/2013 10:49 AM, Tyler Romeo wrote:
> > No because the geoip check is performed at the time of each request,
> > meaning it's not stored in the database or anything.
>
> Isn't that a relatively expensive operation that would gain from caching
> anyways?
>
>
Not really, no.

-Chad
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