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Phoenix wiki
Isn't it time we decided just what is and isn't acceptable on userpages?
Hardly a day goes by without some userpage MfD. While common sense would be
able to sort this out no problem, that's something people don't seem to
posess:

Firstly, there's the issue of inflamatory userboxes. It appears that
userboxes supporting American troops in Iraq are acceptable, but userboxes
supporting the Iraqi insurgensy aren't. Userboxes supporting the killing of
Iraqi insurgents are acceptable, but ones that support the killing of
American troops aren't. Surely both the "support" ones should be acceptable,
whilst the ones that support killing should be delete. Then there's the ones
that advocate peodophilia. Users who have these often argue that we accept
homosexual userboxes, which is just a stupid argument, but they don't seem
to be able accept that.

Then there's the issue of mimicing mediawiki interface. Surely telling
someone they have new messages when they don't is blatant lying? There was a
recent ANI post and MfD over this, and now there's an RfC.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MFD/User:MQDuck.2Fuserboxes.2FRight_To_Resist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:MQDuck/userboxes/Right_To_Resist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents/Hezbollah_userbox
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Certified.Gangsta#New_messages
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=185293933#New_messages_bar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Certified.Gangsta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jc-S0CO/Userboxes/Iraq
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Re: Userboxes

Ian A. Holton
On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 12:56 +0000, Phoenix wiki wrote:
> Isn't it time we decided just what is and isn't acceptable on userpages?
> Hardly a day goes by without some userpage MfD. While common sense would be
> able to sort this out no problem, that's something people don't seem to
> posess:
>
[...]
> to be able accept that.
>
> Then there's the issue of mimicing mediawiki interface. Surely telling
> someone they have new messages when they don't is blatant lying? There was a
> recent ANI post and MfD over this, and now there's an RfC.

I'm going to keep out of the politics here, but come on: the imitating
the "You have new messages" is a practical joke and funny the first time
round :)




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Re: Userboxes

Steve Summit
Ian Holton wrote:
> I'm going to keep out of the politics here, but come on: the imitating
> the "You have new messages" is a practical joke and funny the first time
> round :)

Well, yeah, but if memory serves, that was roughly 45,278 times ago.
It really isn't funny any more.

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Re: Userboxes

Ian A. Holton

On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 09:19 -0500, Steve Summit wrote:
> Ian Holton wrote:
> > I'm going to keep out of the politics here, but come on: the imitating
> > the "You have new messages" is a practical joke and funny the first time
> > round :)
>
> Well, yeah, but if memory serves, that was roughly 45,278 times ago.
> It really isn't funny any more.

I must have somehow memorised which users have it and I normally check
the link before clicking anyway. Seriously, it isn't that hard :P



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Re: Userboxes

geni
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On 19/01/2008, Ian A Holton <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I'm going to keep out of the politics here, but come on: the imitating
> the "You have new messages" is a practical joke and funny the first time
> round :)
>
>

Only if you insist on using the monobook skin.

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Re: Userboxes

AGK
>
> I normally check
> the link before clicking anyway. Seriously, it isn't that hard :P


But bloody annoying.

Anthony

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On 19/01/2008, geni <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> On 19/01/2008, Ian A Holton <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I'm going to keep out of the politics here, but come on: the imitating
> > the "You have new messages" is a practical joke and funny the first time
> > round :)
> >
> >
>
> Only if you insist on using the monobook skin.
>
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Re: Userboxes

NavouWiki
Deceitful, trickery, nasty joke, this message bar.  Imagine that it could
turn off some newbies.


Merc

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>
> I normally check
> the link before clicking anyway. Seriously, it isn't that hard :P


But bloody annoying.

Anthony

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On 19/01/2008, geni <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> On 19/01/2008, Ian A Holton <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I'm going to keep out of the politics here, but come on: the imitating
> > the "You have new messages" is a practical joke and funny the first time
> > round :)
> >
> >
>
> Only if you insist on using the monobook skin.
>
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Re: Userboxes

Josh Gordon-2
Yeah. An easy solution would just be to personalize the message: instead of
"you have new messages", it could say "You have new messages at [[User
talk:Jpgordon]]".

On Jan 19, 2008 8:31 AM, NavouWiki <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Deceitful, trickery, nasty joke, this message bar.  Imagine that it could
> turn off some newbies.
>
>
> Merc
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of AGK
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 8:49 AM
> To: English Wikipedia
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Userboxes
>
> >
> > I normally check
> > the link before clicking anyway. Seriously, it isn't that hard :P
>
>
> But bloody annoying.
>
> Anthony
>
> User:AGK
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>
> On 19/01/2008, geni <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > On 19/01/2008, Ian A Holton <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > I'm going to keep out of the politics here, but come on: the imitating
> > > the "You have new messages" is a practical joke and funny the first
> time
> > > round :)
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Only if you insist on using the monobook skin.
> >
> > --
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Re: Userboxes

Thomas Dalton
In reply to this post by Phoenix wiki
> Firstly, there's the issue of inflamatory userboxes. It appears that
> userboxes supporting American troops in Iraq are acceptable, but userboxes
> supporting the Iraqi insurgensy aren't. Userboxes supporting the killing of
> Iraqi insurgents are acceptable, but ones that support the killing of
> American troops aren't. Surely both the "support" ones should be acceptable,
> whilst the ones that support killing should be delete. Then there's the ones
> that advocate peodophilia. Users who have these often argue that we accept
> homosexual userboxes, which is just a stupid argument, but they don't seem
> to be able accept that.

The answer is, of course, to ban all such userboxes and be done with
it. Trying to decide what it is and isn't acceptable to express
support for is just asking for trouble.

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Re: Userboxes

John Reaves
On Jan 19, 2008 9:52 AM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote:

> > Firstly, there's the issue of inflamatory userboxes. It appears that
> > userboxes supporting American troops in Iraq are acceptable, but
> userboxes
> > supporting the Iraqi insurgensy aren't. Userboxes supporting the killing
> of
> > Iraqi insurgents are acceptable, but ones that support the killing of
> > American troops aren't. Surely both the "support" ones should be
> acceptable,
> > whilst the ones that support killing should be delete. Then there's the
> ones
> > that advocate peodophilia. Users who have these often argue that we
> accept
> > homosexual userboxes, which is just a stupid argument, but they don't
> seem
> > to be able accept that.
>
> The answer is, of course, to ban all such userboxes and be done with
> it. Trying to decide what it is and isn't acceptable to express
> support for is just asking for trouble.
>
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Yes, he simplest solution would be to ban all boxes not related to Wikipedia
or your activity on wiki (such as babel boxes).  Though it's pretty easy to
tell what's divisive and what isn't (which, I think, is a reason to speedy
delete).

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Re: Userboxes

NavouWiki
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I have requested a fix.  There should really be no UI spoofing.

Merc

http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12693


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>
> I normally check
> the link before clicking anyway. Seriously, it isn't that hard :P


But bloody annoying.

Anthony

User:AGK
en.wikipedia.org

On 19/01/2008, geni <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> On 19/01/2008, Ian A Holton <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I'm going to keep out of the politics here, but come on: the imitating
> > the "You have new messages" is a practical joke and funny the first time
> > round :)
> >
> >
>
> Only if you insist on using the monobook skin.
>
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Re: Userboxes

Kurt Maxwell Weber
On Saturday 19 January 2008 12:47, NavouWiki wrote:
> I have requested a fix.  There should really be no UI spoofing.
>
> Merc
>
> http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12693


Oh, grow up and get over yourself already.

This is why you were a horrible admin.

Unnecessary uptightness like yours is what's killing Wikipedia.  
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Re: Userboxes

Majorly
On 19/01/2008, Kurt Maxwell Weber <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> On Saturday 19 January 2008 12:47, NavouWiki wrote:
> > I have requested a fix.  There should really be no UI spoofing.
> >
> > Merc
> >
> > http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12693
>
>
> Oh, grow up and get over yourself already.
>
> This is why you were a horrible admin.
>
> Unnecessary uptightness like yours is what's killing Wikipedia.
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While I disagree with some points Kurt raises, I agree that the users should
get over themselves. They're worrying themselves silly over nothing.

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Re: Userboxes

NavouWiki
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Oh Kurt.... Stop pissing all over the place.  Address the concern, not the
person.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well

Merc

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On Saturday 19 January 2008 12:47, NavouWiki wrote:
> I have requested a fix.  There should really be no UI spoofing.
>
> Merc
>
> http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12693


Oh, grow up and get over yourself already.

This is why you were a horrible admin.

Unnecessary uptightness like yours is what's killing Wikipedia.  
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Re: Userboxes

Kurt Maxwell Weber
On Saturday 19 January 2008 14:20, NavouWiki wrote:
> Oh Kurt.... Stop pissing all over the place.  Address the concern, not the
> person.
>

Except in this case, the concern *is* the person.

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Re: Userboxes

David Gerard-2
On 19/01/2008, Kurt Maxwell Weber <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On Saturday 19 January 2008 14:20, NavouWiki wrote:

> > Oh Kurt.... Stop pissing all over the place.  Address the concern, not the
> > person.

> Except in this case, the concern *is* the person.


Ad hominem is bad for the list. Bitching about one's disfavoured admin
isn't what the list is for, as a working list for the project. Please
desist.


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Re: Userboxes

NavouWiki
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Is there a moderator about?

Merc

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On Saturday 19 January 2008 14:20, NavouWiki wrote:
> Oh Kurt.... Stop pissing all over the place.  Address the concern, not the
> person.
>

Except in this case, the concern *is* the person.

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Re: Userboxes

Thomas Dalton
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> Yes, he simplest solution would be to ban all boxes not related to Wikipedia
> or your activity on wiki (such as babel boxes).  Though it's pretty easy to
> tell what's divisive and what isn't (which, I think, is a reason to speedy
> delete).

Pretty much anything can be divisive. Some things are obviously
divisive, but there are plenty of less obvious things that some people
will be offended by (often legitimately). To use the example already
given, supporting the US/UK/etc. troops in Iraq could very easily
offend those Iraqi's that are angered by the presence of foreign
troops in their country. It's all too easy to dismiss something as not
being divisive just because you don't personally know anyone that have
strong feelings against it. Because of that, it's best not to even try
and just ban all such userboxes.

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Re: Userboxes

Phoenix wiki
On Jan 19, 2008 9:39 PM, Thomas Dalton <[hidden email]> wrote:

> > Yes, he simplest solution would be to ban all boxes not related to
> Wikipedia
> > or your activity on wiki (such as babel boxes).  Though it's pretty easy
> to
> > tell what's divisive and what isn't (which, I think, is a reason to
> speedy
> > delete).
>
> Pretty much anything can be divisive. Some things are obviously
> divisive, but there are plenty of less obvious things that some people
> will be offended by (often legitimately). To use the example already
> given, supporting the US/UK/etc. troops in Iraq could very easily
> offend those Iraqi's that are angered by the presence of foreign
> troops in their country. It's all too easy to dismiss something as not
> being divisive just because you don't personally know anyone that have
> strong feelings against it. Because of that, it's best not to even try
> and just ban all such userboxes.


That's a very good point actually
Phoenix-wiki
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Re: Userboxes

John Reaves-2
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David is a mod and I have a feeing Kurt knows this.

--John Reaves

On Jan 19, 2008 12:40 PM, NavouWiki <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Is there a moderator about?
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> Merc
>
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>
> On Saturday 19 January 2008 14:20, NavouWiki wrote:
> > Oh Kurt.... Stop pissing all over the place.  Address the concern, not
> the
> > person.
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