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Using mediawiki from within the Social networks?

Yury Katkov
Hi everyone!

Is it possible to use MediaWiki as a service whereas the UI is located
on a Facebook app? So all the editing and viewing is take place on a
Facebook and MediaWiki provide the storage, revision control and lots
of extensions?
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Re: Using mediawiki from within the Social networks?

Tyler Romeo
Theoretically I guess it's capable with the API and whatnot, but I don't
think it's been attempted (or at least not to the extent you're implying).
It'd be interesting.

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> Hi everyone!
>
> Is it possible to use MediaWiki as a service whereas the UI is located
> on a Facebook app? So all the editing and viewing is take place on a
> Facebook and MediaWiki provide the storage, revision control and lots
> of extensions?
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Re: Using mediawiki from within the Social networks?

Chris Steipp
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It's possible, but it would be a little ugly. You could write a web
frontend to what would basically be a proxy handling the work on the
backend over the api. However, there is no secure way for a user to
login through something like that, so all of the edits would have to
come from your app and not the user. Alternatively, you could write a
javascript (or flash) application, and get it approved to make
CORS/crossdomain requests to the target MediaWiki api, so the user
would be making api calls directly. Getting the wiki admin to approve
domains, or add a crossdomain.xml file may or may not be a problem for
you.

OAuth will make the delegated authorization easier, but unfortunately
the priority for getting OAuth integrated with MediaWiki is lower than
some other critical projects right now, so it will be a few months
before this is possible.


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> Hi everyone!
>
> Is it possible to use MediaWiki as a service whereas the UI is located
> on a Facebook app? So all the editing and viewing is take place on a
> Facebook and MediaWiki provide the storage, revision control and lots
> of extensions?
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> Yury Katkov
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Re: Using mediawiki from within the Social networks?

Mike DuPont
have you seen the customization that wikia.com has done? it is a step
in the right direction for social integration.

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Chris Steipp <[hidden email]> wrote:

> It's possible, but it would be a little ugly. You could write a web
> frontend to what would basically be a proxy handling the work on the
> backend over the api. However, there is no secure way for a user to
> login through something like that, so all of the edits would have to
> come from your app and not the user. Alternatively, you could write a
> javascript (or flash) application, and get it approved to make
> CORS/crossdomain requests to the target MediaWiki api, so the user
> would be making api calls directly. Getting the wiki admin to approve
> domains, or add a crossdomain.xml file may or may not be a problem for
> you.
>
> OAuth will make the delegated authorization easier, but unfortunately
> the priority for getting OAuth integrated with MediaWiki is lower than
> some other critical projects right now, so it will be a few months
> before this is possible.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Yury Katkov <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi everyone!
>>
>> Is it possible to use MediaWiki as a service whereas the UI is located
>> on a Facebook app? So all the editing and viewing is take place on a
>> Facebook and MediaWiki provide the storage, revision control and lots
>> of extensions?
>> -----
>> Yury Katkov
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Re: Using mediawiki from within the Social networks?

Yury Katkov
Yes, that's a good example of how to be closer to people. However I
think that the MediaWiki social network client can be use in case of
really big crowdsourcing projects where we want to grasp a large
amount of people. Most of the Russian internet users sitting in vk.com
social network all the time.
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On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 12:23 AM, Mike  Dupont
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> have you seen the customization that wikia.com has done? it is a step
> in the right direction for social integration.
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Chris Steipp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> It's possible, but it would be a little ugly. You could write a web
>> frontend to what would basically be a proxy handling the work on the
>> backend over the api. However, there is no secure way for a user to
>> login through something like that, so all of the edits would have to
>> come from your app and not the user. Alternatively, you could write a
>> javascript (or flash) application, and get it approved to make
>> CORS/crossdomain requests to the target MediaWiki api, so the user
>> would be making api calls directly. Getting the wiki admin to approve
>> domains, or add a crossdomain.xml file may or may not be a problem for
>> you.
>>
>> OAuth will make the delegated authorization easier, but unfortunately
>> the priority for getting OAuth integrated with MediaWiki is lower than
>> some other critical projects right now, so it will be a few months
>> before this is possible.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Yury Katkov <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hi everyone!
>>>
>>> Is it possible to use MediaWiki as a service whereas the UI is located
>>> on a Facebook app? So all the editing and viewing is take place on a
>>> Facebook and MediaWiki provide the storage, revision control and lots
>>> of extensions?
>>> -----
>>> Yury Katkov
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Re: Using mediawiki from within the Social networks?

Mike DuPont
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Yury Katkov <[hidden email]> wrote:
> MediaWiki social network client
tell me more, links?


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Re: Using mediawiki from within the Social networks?

Yury Katkov
There is no such client to the best of my knowledge. But here I don't
think much about the big-text-projects like wikipedia: more about the
projects where users need to
-  vote for the articles or
- add really small fragments of text
- or link page together via Semantic MediaWiki properties or
- categorize and tagged the articles...
 these are all very small activities. The idea is that those
activities can be shown in the social network MW-client in the most
easy-to-consume way to the very broad audience. Or maybe they can be
even gamified!
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On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Mike  Dupont
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> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Yury Katkov <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> MediaWiki social network client
> tell me more, links?
>
>
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Re: Using mediawiki from within the Social networks?

Mike DuPont
Yuri,
I agree with you 100% this is a good idea and would help out alot. I
have also had similar ideas!
mike

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Yury Katkov <[hidden email]> wrote:

> There is no such client to the best of my knowledge. But here I don't
> think much about the big-text-projects like wikipedia: more about the
> projects where users need to
> -  vote for the articles or
> - add really small fragments of text
> - or link page together via Semantic MediaWiki properties or
> - categorize and tagged the articles...
>  these are all very small activities. The idea is that those
> activities can be shown in the social network MW-client in the most
> easy-to-consume way to the very broad audience. Or maybe they can be
> even gamified!
> -----
> Yury Katkov
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Mike  Dupont
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Yury Katkov <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> MediaWiki social network client
>> tell me more, links?
>>
>>
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Re: Using mediawiki from within the Social networks?

Yury Katkov
Maybe we can brainstorm this idea a little bit together? I have
several crowdsourcing projects and I always suspect that the pure wiki
editing requires too much motivation and it's not the best approach in
many cases.
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On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Mike  Dupont
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yuri,
> I agree with you 100% this is a good idea and would help out alot. I
> have also had similar ideas!
> mike
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Yury Katkov <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> There is no such client to the best of my knowledge. But here I don't
>> think much about the big-text-projects like wikipedia: more about the
>> projects where users need to
>> -  vote for the articles or
>> - add really small fragments of text
>> - or link page together via Semantic MediaWiki properties or
>> - categorize and tagged the articles...
>>  these are all very small activities. The idea is that those
>> activities can be shown in the social network MW-client in the most
>> easy-to-consume way to the very broad audience. Or maybe they can be
>> even gamified!
>> -----
>> Yury Katkov
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Mike  Dupont
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Yury Katkov <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> MediaWiki social network client
>>> tell me more, links?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org
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Re: Using mediawiki from within the Social networks?

Markus Glaser
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Hi Yury,

we experimented with MediaWiki as a Facebook-App. Basically this is using MW in an iFrame and passing through the Facebook authentication. Articles can be liked and commented via FB. When you edit something, it publishes that to the user's stream.

Here's a prototype, in German though: https://www.facebook.com/ComputerTest/app_242056765902153

Cheers,
Markus


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Betreff: [Wikitech-l] Using mediawiki from within the Social networks?

Hi everyone!

Is it possible to use MediaWiki as a service whereas the UI is located on a Facebook app? So all the editing and viewing is take place on a Facebook and MediaWiki provide the storage, revision control and lots of extensions?
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Mike DuPont
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well what about the user granting you the rights to the comments etc
under certain conditions and they just use fb and pull that data in
via the api.
so you would have some pages that are autogenerated via fb, you might
have Talk:page for normal users and FB:Page for fb users.

mike

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Yury Katkov <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Maybe we can brainstorm this idea a little bit together? I have
> several crowdsourcing projects and I always suspect that the pure wiki
> editing requires too much motivation and it's not the best approach in
> many cases.
> -----
> Yury Katkov
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Mike  Dupont
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Yuri,
>> I agree with you 100% this is a good idea and would help out alot. I
>> have also had similar ideas!
>> mike
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Yury Katkov <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> There is no such client to the best of my knowledge. But here I don't
>>> think much about the big-text-projects like wikipedia: more about the
>>> projects where users need to
>>> -  vote for the articles or
>>> - add really small fragments of text
>>> - or link page together via Semantic MediaWiki properties or
>>> - categorize and tagged the articles...
>>>  these are all very small activities. The idea is that those
>>> activities can be shown in the social network MW-client in the most
>>> easy-to-consume way to the very broad audience. Or maybe they can be
>>> even gamified!
>>> -----
>>> Yury Katkov
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:02 AM, Mike  Dupont
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Yury Katkov <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> MediaWiki social network client
>>>> tell me more, links?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org
>>>> Saving wikipedia(tm) articles from deletion http://SpeedyDeletion.wikia.com
>>>> Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org
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Re: Using mediawiki from within the Social networks?

Yury Katkov
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Wow, nice!
Ok, it's possible to log the users in (with some warnings but still).
Very well.

The goal here is to substitute the complex MediaWiki UI with some
simple  and beautifully-looking social network apps to eventually
bring more users to the wiki.

Mike Dupont started the list of activities that can be done for the
wiki using the social network UI:
1) commenting, likes
What other one-click valuable activities I can imagine:
2) Voting and rating the articles. Agreeing or disagreeing with some
small sections.
3) making friends that will be reflected in the wiki with the help of
social extensions
4) reading news. RSS of any wiki sucks and here the admins can form
the human-readable news about the life on a wiki
5) categorizing articles or (much better) images and media files

I'm not sure that '''editing''' can be made more easy with the help of
social network client. Any ideas on that? any ideas on what else can
be made  more engaging with the power of social networks?

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On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Markus Glaser <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Yury,
>
> we experimented with MediaWiki as a Facebook-App. Basically this is using MW in an iFrame and passing through the Facebook authentication. Articles can be liked and commented via FB. When you edit something, it publishes that to the user's stream.
>
> Here's a prototype, in German though: https://www.facebook.com/ComputerTest/app_242056765902153
>
> Cheers,
> Markus
>
>
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> Von: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] Im Auftrag von Yury Katkov
> Gesendet: Montag, 1. Oktober 2012 19:45
> An: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list; Wikimedia developers
> Betreff: [Wikitech-l] Using mediawiki from within the Social networks?
>
> Hi everyone!
>
> Is it possible to use MediaWiki as a service whereas the UI is located on a Facebook app? So all the editing and viewing is take place on a Facebook and MediaWiki provide the storage, revision control and lots of extensions?
> -----
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Re: Using mediawiki from within the Social networks?

Mike DuPont
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Yury Katkov <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I'm not sure that '''editing''' can be made more easy with the help of
> social network client. Any ideas on that? any ideas on what else can
> be made  more engaging with the power of social networks?

Well what if people can click on a bit of text and comment on it, they
could suggest in that comment that the text is replaced.

mike


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Yury Katkov
hmmm, much like the blips on Google Wave?
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On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Mike  Dupont
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Yury Katkov <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I'm not sure that '''editing''' can be made more easy with the help of
>> social network client. Any ideas on that? any ideas on what else can
>> be made  more engaging with the power of social networks?
>
> Well what if people can click on a bit of text and comment on it, they
> could suggest in that comment that the text is replaced.
>
> mike
>
>
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Mike DuPont
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Yury Katkov <[hidden email]> wrote:
> hmmm, much like the blips on Google Wave?
like line comments in github :
https://github.com/h4ck3rm1k3/wikiteam/commit/4da7f7f4a813b53be13bff7e29a1e5325bb68a30#L0R58

We need a way to track and rate comments and then we can resolve them
with changes after people have stormed over them.


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