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What's in it for me?

Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Heya all. I just wanted to share this quick mail with you and get your
feedback. Over the past two years, I've actively been part of Wiki
outreach efforts. Thru meetups, volunteering for the Bangalore
Samskrit academy, trying to convince friends, classmates etc. I've had
a lot of negative experiences with people askin me- What's in it for
me? Mere liye kya hai? Ennaku enna kadaka porthu? I get laughed at
when I say I'm doing gu voluntarily. Infact recently, when I tried to
get a friend to contribute to our


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Re: What's in it for me?

Srikanth Ramakrishnan-2
Sorry guys, looks like Google chopped off the bottom of my mail again.
What I said was, when I asked my friend to contribute to the Tamil
Media Contest, he told me- when I'm not getting paid for all my
photos, why should I upload? Anyone who's gone thru similar
experiences and can help me out?

On 12/16/11, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Heya all. I just wanted to share this quick mail with you and get your
> feedback. Over the past two years, I've actively been part of Wiki
> outreach efforts. Thru meetups, volunteering for the Bangalore
> Samskrit academy, trying to convince friends, classmates etc. I've had
> a lot of negative experiences with people askin me- What's in it for
> me? Mere liye kya hai? Ennaku enna kadaka porthu? I get laughed at
> when I say I'm doing gu voluntarily. Infact recently, when I tried to
> get a friend to contribute to our
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Srikanth Ramakrishnan,
> Sathyamangalam-Gobichettipalayam Star Gazers Gang, Ukkadam, Coimbatore.
> My Commons uploads, now exceeding 75.
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Rsrikanth05
>
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Re: What's in it for me?

Swaroop Rao
I've faced this many times, and I think most of us who do outreach work have faced this. I've had people asking me first thing: "What's the pay like?". Its quite difficult to convince people who approach it with that mindset. I've not always succeeded, but what I usually do is tell them the example of English Wikipedia and its enormous reach; I go on saying "Hey, doesn't your son use Wikipedia for his assignment? Did you know its written by people like you and me? You can write too, and your knowledge will reach millions across the world".

Sometimes, I encourage people to write about their Hometown, or upload pictures of it. Geography is one of the easier things to work on.

Swaroop Rao
(MikeLynch)



On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 22:31, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Sorry guys, looks like Google chopped off the bottom of my mail again.
What I said was, when I asked my friend to contribute to the Tamil
Media Contest, he told me- when I'm not getting paid for all my
photos, why should I upload? Anyone who's gone thru similar
experiences and can help me out?

On 12/16/11, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Heya all. I just wanted to share this quick mail with you and get your
> feedback. Over the past two years, I've actively been part of Wiki
> outreach efforts. Thru meetups, volunteering for the Bangalore
> Samskrit academy, trying to convince friends, classmates etc. I've had
> a lot of negative experiences with people askin me- What's in it for
> me? Mere liye kya hai? Ennaku enna kadaka porthu? I get laughed at
> when I say I'm doing gu voluntarily. Infact recently, when I tried to
> get a friend to contribute to our
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Srikanth Ramakrishnan,
> Sathyamangalam-Gobichettipalayam Star Gazers Gang, Ukkadam, Coimbatore.
> My Commons uploads, now exceeding 75.
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Rsrikanth05
>
> _______________________________________________
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> [hidden email]
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Re: What's in it for me?

Arun Ganesh
I stopped telling people to contribute a long time back. now i do a google image search for 'indian grandmother' and tell the person thats my grandmom in the first result. now they ask me how they can contribute.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Swaroop Rao <[hidden email]> wrote:
I've faced this many times, and I think most of us who do outreach work have faced this. I've had people asking me first thing: "What's the pay like?". Its quite difficult to convince people who approach it with that mindset. I've not always succeeded, but what I usually do is tell them the example of English Wikipedia and its enormous reach; I go on saying "Hey, doesn't your son use Wikipedia for his assignment? Did you know its written by people like you and me? You can write too, and your knowledge will reach millions across the world".

Sometimes, I encourage people to write about their Hometown, or upload pictures of it. Geography is one of the easier things to work on.

Swaroop Rao
(MikeLynch)




On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 22:31, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Sorry guys, looks like Google chopped off the bottom of my mail again.
What I said was, when I asked my friend to contribute to the Tamil
Media Contest, he told me- when I'm not getting paid for all my
photos, why should I upload? Anyone who's gone thru similar
experiences and can help me out?

On 12/16/11, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Heya all. I just wanted to share this quick mail with you and get your
> feedback. Over the past two years, I've actively been part of Wiki
> outreach efforts. Thru meetups, volunteering for the Bangalore
> Samskrit academy, trying to convince friends, classmates etc. I've had
> a lot of negative experiences with people askin me- What's in it for
> me? Mere liye kya hai? Ennaku enna kadaka porthu? I get laughed at
> when I say I'm doing gu voluntarily. Infact recently, when I tried to
> get a friend to contribute to our
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Srikanth Ramakrishnan,
> Sathyamangalam-Gobichettipalayam Star Gazers Gang, Ukkadam, Coimbatore.
> My Commons uploads, now exceeding 75.
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Rsrikanth05
>
> _______________________________________________
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Re: What's in it for me?

Ashwin Baindur
LOL, I Have even used scorn, though thats not Wikipedian. Works once in a while too  too!

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
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On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Arun Ganesh <[hidden email]> wrote:
I stopped telling people to contribute a long time back. now i do a google image search for 'indian grandmother' and tell the person thats my grandmom in the first result. now they ask me how they can contribute.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Swaroop Rao <[hidden email]> wrote:
I've faced this many times, and I think most of us who do outreach work have faced this. I've had people asking me first thing: "What's the pay like?". Its quite difficult to convince people who approach it with that mindset. I've not always succeeded, but what I usually do is tell them the example of English Wikipedia and its enormous reach; I go on saying "Hey, doesn't your son use Wikipedia for his assignment? Did you know its written by people like you and me? You can write too, and your knowledge will reach millions across the world".

Sometimes, I encourage people to write about their Hometown, or upload pictures of it. Geography is one of the easier things to work on.

Swaroop Rao
(MikeLynch)




On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 22:31, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Sorry guys, looks like Google chopped off the bottom of my mail again.
What I said was, when I asked my friend to contribute to the Tamil
Media Contest, he told me- when I'm not getting paid for all my
photos, why should I upload? Anyone who's gone thru similar
experiences and can help me out?

On 12/16/11, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Heya all. I just wanted to share this quick mail with you and get your
> feedback. Over the past two years, I've actively been part of Wiki
> outreach efforts. Thru meetups, volunteering for the Bangalore
> Samskrit academy, trying to convince friends, classmates etc. I've had
> a lot of negative experiences with people askin me- What's in it for
> me? Mere liye kya hai? Ennaku enna kadaka porthu? I get laughed at
> when I say I'm doing gu voluntarily. Infact recently, when I tried to
> get a friend to contribute to our
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Srikanth Ramakrishnan,
> Sathyamangalam-Gobichettipalayam Star Gazers Gang, Ukkadam, Coimbatore.
> My Commons uploads, now exceeding 75.
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Rsrikanth05
>
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Re: What's in it for me?

Srikanth Ramakrishnan-2
Swaroop, yes I know. I personally do enjoy editing the article on my
native town and adding photos about it. Wish others would follow me.
Arun, that's pretty much a Commons Venture. I've tried that a lot.
Most of my pictures are first page results on Google. Try Googling
Nice Road or Chittode Junction. But it hasn't helped me that well.

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Re: What's in it for me?

Srikanth Ramakrishnan-2
Oh, and by the way. Try Googling for Tamil Wedding in images. The
first result should be a result of the Tamil Media Contest. Perhaps,
this could be more ... Err ... Encouragement?

On 12/16/11, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Swaroop, yes I know. I personally do enjoy editing the article on my
> native town and adding photos about it. Wish others would follow me.
> Arun, that's pretty much a Commons Venture. I've tried that a lot.
> Most of my pictures are first page results on Google. Try Googling
> Nice Road or Chittode Junction. But it hasn't helped me that well.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
>


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Re: What's in it for me?

Barry Newstead
This is a great question Srikanth and links to some of the thinking that Shiju just shared about the challenges for Indic language projects. [1]. My feeling is that editing Wikipedia isn't for everyone, but there are a lot of people who it is or could be for.  Our challenge is to really connect with those who will find joy in the experience and not worry about those who think sharing knowledge freely is a strange form of insanity. ;)

I have limited experience, but in my travels in India, I think the greatest challenge is in basic awareness of how Wikipedia works.  I'd say that over 90% of non-Wikipedians in India that I've met have no idea that they can edit Wikipedia or that Wikipedia is not written by paid staff (many also have no idea we have Indic language projects, not to mention 20!). These are generally not stupid people and our challenge is to inform them. If we inform millions, we'll find thousands (that's all we really can expect from global experience) to try editing in all of our projects.  So the question I've been pondering is how do we explain the basics of who we are to millions rather than to 25-50 people who might show up for a workshop.

From there our challenge is to welcome those who feel like trying it out, orient them to the norms of the environment, help them when they make mistakes and encourage them to stick with it, even if they aren't perfect.  As the editor trends data shows, our greatest opportunity and challenge lies in helping those who show up and want to edit...succeed! [2] There is some neat work going on to look at ways we can improve our interaction with newcomers, particularly by making their interaction feel more human-to-human rather than human-to-template.[3]

My 2 paise.

Best,
Barry


[2] Only 10% of new editors stick around for a year these days http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Enwp_retention_vs_active_editors.png and about 85% don't even last 3 months http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Enwp-jan-cohorts--10-1-.png
[3] An example of work that Steven and Mariana are working on building from WMF's Summer of Research: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/11/21/you-have-new-messages-improving-communication-on-wikipedia/

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Oh, and by the way. Try Googling for Tamil Wedding in images. The
first result should be a result of the Tamil Media Contest. Perhaps,
this could be more ... Err ... Encouragement?

On 12/16/11, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Swaroop, yes I know. I personally do enjoy editing the article on my
> native town and adding photos about it. Wish others would follow me.
> Arun, that's pretty much a Commons Venture. I've tried that a lot.
> Most of my pictures are first page results on Google. Try Googling
> Nice Road or Chittode Junction. But it hasn't helped me that well.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
>


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Re: What's in it for me?

Srikanth Ramakrishnan-2
Thanks for your suggestions Barry. I have, in the past come across
several first time editors online, whose edit, while not a perfect
one, shows a lot of potential. Thankfully, we've got Twinkle and the
whole WikiLove set of tools to welcome these guys, but still there are
some Bullies around.

On 12/16/11, Barry Newstead <[hidden email]> wrote:

> This is a great question Srikanth and links to some of the thinking that
> Shiju just shared about the challenges for Indic language projects. [1]. My
> feeling is that editing Wikipedia isn't for everyone, but there are a lot
> of people who it is or could be for.  Our challenge is to really connect
> with those who will find joy in the experience and not worry about those
> who think sharing knowledge freely is a strange form of insanity. ;)
>
> I have limited experience, but in my travels in India, I think the greatest
> challenge is in basic awareness of how Wikipedia works.  I'd say that over
> 90% of non-Wikipedians in India that I've met have no idea that they can
> edit Wikipedia or that Wikipedia is not written by paid staff (many also
> have no idea we have Indic language projects, not to mention 20!). These
> are generally not stupid people and our challenge is to inform them. If we
> inform millions, we'll find thousands (that's all we really can expect from
> global experience) to try editing in all of our projects.  So the question
> I've been pondering is how do we explain the basics of who we are to
> millions rather than to 25-50 people who might show up for a workshop.
>
> From there our challenge is to welcome those who feel like trying it out,
> orient them to the norms of the environment, help them when they make
> mistakes and encourage them to stick with it, even if they aren't perfect.
>  As the editor trends data shows, our greatest opportunity and challenge
> lies in helping those who show up and want to edit...succeed! [2] There is
> some neat work going on to look at ways we can improve our interaction with
> newcomers, particularly by making their interaction feel more
> human-to-human rather than human-to-template.[3]
>
> My 2 paise.
>
> Best,
> Barry
>
>
> [1]
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Summary_of_initial_discussions_-_2011
> [2] Only 10% of new editors stick around for a year these days
> http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Enwp_retention_vs_active_editors.png
> and
> about 85% don't even last 3 months
> http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Enwp-jan-cohorts--10-1-.png
> [3] An example of work that Steven and Mariana are working on building from
> WMF's Summer of Research:
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/11/21/you-have-new-messages-improving-communication-on-wikipedia/
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Oh, and by the way. Try Googling for Tamil Wedding in images. The
>> first result should be a result of the Tamil Media Contest. Perhaps,
>> this could be more ... Err ... Encouragement?
>>
>> On 12/16/11, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > Swaroop, yes I know. I personally do enjoy editing the article on my
>> > native town and adding photos about it. Wish others would follow me.
>> > Arun, that's pretty much a Commons Venture. I've tried that a lot.
>> > Most of my pictures are first page results on Google. Try Googling
>> > Nice Road or Chittode Junction. But it hasn't helped me that well.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> > Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>> > Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
>> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
>>
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>
>
>
> --
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> Chief Global Development Officer
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> the sum of all knowledge.  Help us make it a reality!
>
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
>


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Re: What's in it for me?

Subhashish Panigrahi
@Srikanth, avoid the bullies and reach to people who believe in free and open culture. :-)

DuringBangalore meetups and inviting people for Odia wiki meetups I have amazing experiences, the best of them is: "After trying to reach over 20 people for a celebration of 1800 articles, 6 people showed up, out of which one is me, rest 3 are my school friends and rest 2 are good friends who came because they didn't want me feel bad, even people show up in meetups it's critical to evaluate how many of are curious about Wikipedia and how many attend just the sake of attending!

But, +1 with Barry, in an outreach perspective  you spread a message about something really good, based on the approach 50-60 % people take interest, 30-40 %  accept it, 20-25 % really understand it and 10-15 % people become active. Applies to most such approaches. So, keeping the negativity apart ideal approach would be reach to more people, educate. Accepting and not-accepting is their decision.

Best
Subha

On 17 December 2011 08:50, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks for your suggestions Barry. I have, in the past come across
several first time editors online, whose edit, while not a perfect
one, shows a lot of potential. Thankfully, we've got Twinkle and the
whole WikiLove set of tools to welcome these guys, but still there are
some Bullies around.

On 12/16/11, Barry Newstead <[hidden email]> wrote:
> This is a great question Srikanth and links to some of the thinking that
> Shiju just shared about the challenges for Indic language projects. [1]. My
> feeling is that editing Wikipedia isn't for everyone, but there are a lot
> of people who it is or could be for.  Our challenge is to really connect
> with those who will find joy in the experience and not worry about those
> who think sharing knowledge freely is a strange form of insanity. ;)
>
> I have limited experience, but in my travels in India, I think the greatest
> challenge is in basic awareness of how Wikipedia works.  I'd say that over
> 90% of non-Wikipedians in India that I've met have no idea that they can
> edit Wikipedia or that Wikipedia is not written by paid staff (many also
> have no idea we have Indic language projects, not to mention 20!). These
> are generally not stupid people and our challenge is to inform them. If we
> inform millions, we'll find thousands (that's all we really can expect from
> global experience) to try editing in all of our projects.  So the question
> I've been pondering is how do we explain the basics of who we are to
> millions rather than to 25-50 people who might show up for a workshop.
>
> From there our challenge is to welcome those who feel like trying it out,
> orient them to the norms of the environment, help them when they make
> mistakes and encourage them to stick with it, even if they aren't perfect.
>  As the editor trends data shows, our greatest opportunity and challenge
> lies in helping those who show up and want to edit...succeed! [2] There is
> some neat work going on to look at ways we can improve our interaction with
> newcomers, particularly by making their interaction feel more
> human-to-human rather than human-to-template.[3]
>
> My 2 paise.
>
> Best,
> Barry
>
>
> [1]
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Summary_of_initial_discussions_-_2011
> [2] Only 10% of new editors stick around for a year these days
> http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Enwp_retention_vs_active_editors.png
> and
> about 85% don't even last 3 months
> http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Enwp-jan-cohorts--10-1-.png
> [3] An example of work that Steven and Mariana are working on building from
> WMF's Summer of Research:
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/11/21/you-have-new-messages-improving-communication-on-wikipedia/
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Oh, and by the way. Try Googling for Tamil Wedding in images. The
>> first result should be a result of the Tamil Media Contest. Perhaps,
>> this could be more ... Err ... Encouragement?
>>
>> On 12/16/11, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > Swaroop, yes I know. I personally do enjoy editing the article on my
>> > native town and adding photos about it. Wish others would follow me.
>> > Arun, that's pretty much a Commons Venture. I've tried that a lot.
>> > Most of my pictures are first page results on Google. Try Googling
>> > Nice Road or Chittode Junction. But it hasn't helped me that well.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> > Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>> > Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
>> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
>> >
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>> Regards,
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Re: What's in it for me?

erikzachte
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Hi Srikanth,

If you get laughed at doing something voluntarily, just return a friendly
smile, that might in due time be remembered better than any well verbalized
rationale.

If you're looking for some inspiration yourself, here are some thoughts, and
I willfully take the risk of sounding bombastic, which I hope at least puts
a smile on your face  :-)

You might be interested to read about Maslow's theory of self-actualization.
I first read about it as a student decades ago, as a metaphor it grabbed me
and it keeps coming back from time to time. Wikipedia tells me there is a
large cultural component in his ideas. For me finding a balance between
different needs always remains a challenge, but certainly it is not
either/or, selfishness or altruism. Even more, how to draw the distinction?
Sometimes altruistic motives will bring you personal rewards, and vice
versa. I'm not sure even much of what I do is altruistic at all, I just have
fun doing it.

John Adams said " I am a revolutionary so my son can be a farmer so his son
can be a poet. ... " We are marching in the front rows of a digital
revolution. [2]   Later people will listen to our stories, and envy us, if
they don't already.

If you haven't read Eric Raymond's "The Cathedral & the Bazaar" on open
source movement, I can heartily recommend it to you. Best section for me was
"Homesteading the Noosphere" [3] [4] which discusses how selfishness and
altruism can both be served at the same time by contributing in a 'gift
economy'.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wikipedia_Revolution
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homesteading_the_Noosphere
[4] Essay online: http://catb.org/~esr/writings/homesteading/homesteading/

Cheers, Erik Zachte


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Sorry guys, looks like Google chopped off the bottom of my mail again.
What I said was, when I asked my friend to contribute to the Tamil Media
Contest, he told me- when I'm not getting paid for all my photos, why should
I upload? Anyone who's gone thru similar experiences and can help me out?

On 12/16/11, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Heya all. I just wanted to share this quick mail with you and get your
> feedback. Over the past two years, I've actively been part of Wiki
> outreach efforts. Thru meetups, volunteering for the Bangalore
> Samskrit academy, trying to convince friends, classmates etc. I've had
> a lot of negative experiences with people askin me- What's in it for
> me? Mere liye kya hai? Ennaku enna kadaka porthu? I get laughed at
> when I say I'm doing gu voluntarily. Infact recently, when I tried to
> get a friend to contribute to our
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Srikanth Ramakrishnan,
> Sathyamangalam-Gobichettipalayam Star Gazers Gang, Ukkadam, Coimbatore.
> My Commons uploads, now exceeding 75.
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Rsrikanth05
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Re: What's in it for me?

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+1 for Eric and Barry.

Though we can list benefits like better writing skills, networking with similar people, global audience for our content, it is very hard to make someone a returning contributor based on these. Global / Indian education program is a good example. Even after intense and direct outreach, the conversion rate there is less.

I have done 10+ physical outreaches and the conversion rate is very very less. Outreaches are very much a branding exercise to increase awareness about Wikipedia. Not everyone can and will become a poet or a musician or an environmentalist or a human rights activist even if we do 100s of workshops. The same holds true for Wikipedia.

Wikipedia is a social cause in which the right contributor finds joy instantly. It is similar to the joy a kid feels at seeing a ball. You need not educate a kid about the ball but you just have to introduce it. People asking "what's in it for me in Wikipedia" are similar to people who ask "what's in it for playing". Almost 90% of very active Tamil Wikipedia editors jumped at the project once such a thing existed.

So, we should not worry about the people who ask "Why". Just spread the message to as many people by mass media ( Even a TV ad campaign will be worth the spending ) and focus on the people who ask "How". There are many such people who can relate with the cause of Wikipedia but they just don't know that it exists and they can contribute.

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Re: What's in it for me?

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hi,

Only 2 practical things I've done:

1. Sit with them and edit the article that *they* enjoy editing at a
WikiAcademy.
2. See if their interested in becoming friends on Facebook/Twitter and
see if we can become 'edit buddies' and share the joy.

I haven't measured effectiveness but that's more because I have lesser
time than the other person's enthusiasm or lack of it.

Some have become long term friends like Pranav (User:AroundTheGlobe),
whom I met just 11 months back face 2 face. :) and some like Srikanth
himself whom I've never met :)

Pradeep
User:Prad2609
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On 17/12/2011, Ravishankar <[hidden email]> wrote:

> +1 for Eric and Barry.
>
> Though we can list benefits like better writing skills, networking with
> similar people, global audience for our content, it is very hard to make
> someone a returning contributor based on these. Global / Indian education
> program is a good example. Even after intense and direct outreach, the
> conversion rate there is less.
>
> I have done 10+ physical outreaches and the conversion rate is very very
> less. Outreaches are very much a branding exercise to increase awareness
> about Wikipedia. Not everyone can and will become a poet or a musician or
> an environmentalist or a human rights activist even if we do 100s of
> workshops. The same holds true for Wikipedia.
>
> Wikipedia is a social cause in which the right contributor finds joy
> instantly. It is similar to the joy a kid feels at seeing a ball. You need
> not educate a kid about the ball but you just have to introduce it. People
> asking "what's in it for me in Wikipedia" are similar to people who ask
> "what's in it for playing". Almost 90% of very active Tamil Wikipedia
> editors jumped at the project once such a thing existed.
>
> So, we should not worry about the people who ask "Why". Just spread the
> message to as many people by mass media ( *Even a TV ad campaign will be
> worth the spending* ) and focus on the people who ask "How". There are many
> such people who can relate with the cause of Wikipedia but they just don't
> know that it exists and they can contribute.
>
> Ravi
>


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Re: What's in it for me?

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2011/12/17 Barry Newstead <[hidden email]>:
> I have limited experience, but in my travels in India, I think the greatest
> challenge is in basic awareness of how Wikipedia works.

That's true for the whole world. A particular problem for India is
that many people to whom i spoke, all of whom knew English, don't know
that
a. There's a Wikipedia in their language.
b. It is possible to read and write their language on the computer
*they already own*.

By creating technologies like Narayam and WebFonts the i18n team is
making Wikimedia projects more technically accessible to speakers of
these languages, but work is still needed to be done in raising
awareness. One of the ways to do it is to convince Indians who know
English to make the choice to contribute more to projects in languages
of India for the sake of the people who don't know English. I call
this "the software localization paradox": The situation today is that
in a technological project like ours people who know English are best
suited for building the groundwork for people who don't, but too
often, people who know English just contribute to English projects.

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Srikanth Ramakrishnan-2
Subha, most of those bullies are editors with zero constructive edits
or IP based vandals. Sadly.
Erik, yes, I consider Giving to Wiki as giving back to Society. Thanks
for the links. Time to read during my month long Wiki break.
Ravi, Bala told me that physical outreach programs had very poor
success rates. I concur with him.
Prad, I agree. That's how Manish and I became friends. But still
doesn't explain how to get new guys.

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Re: What's in it for me?

Nitika Tandon-2
Hi Srikanth & everyone else,

This is a really good question and one that I've been thinking about and working on as we look at outreach in general.

From my discussions with various editors and my observing and participating in outreach sessions, I think the biggest challenge when we do outreach is "why to contribute".  Of course, "how to edit" is essential - but unless someone believes there is a strong enough reason to participate, it's unlikely they're going to get involved or stay involved after a couple of exploratory edits.  From my conversations and readings, the motivators of existing editors are any or a combination (or variants) of "promoting free knowledge" or "sharing knowledge in general" or "improving education" or "passion for their languages" or "interest in a particular subject (e.g. astronomy or railways or butterflies.)  However, my opinion is that it is relatively complex to convey these in an initial outreach session.  It's best to motivate and train and support potential newbies to join the movement and community - and allow them to discover for themselves what is the inspiration for them (especially because it is likely to be unique to that individual.)

Personally, i think there are a number of really compelling answers to the "What's in it for me?" question - and I do want to share my take on it.  I'm dividing my answer into students and faculty/institutions.  (The tone I'm using is what can be used when actually answering the question.)  These answers are a little clinical and conceptual but I've found they work - and I believe they will provide an adequate incentive to try and learn a little bit more about editing and to hopefully become regular editors.

Academia - Students

  1. It improves your writing skills.  Writing skills are essential when you move ahead in life either to do further studies or to work.  Our education system (unfortunately) doesn't adequately teach writing skills and we all struggle when we have to write a formal report or research paper.  When you move into the working world, you'll find that you can be as good as you are at your work but unless you are able to write those written reports properly, you'll always find it hard to succeed.
  2. It will help your critical thinking.  Concepts like Neutral Point of View (which you will sometimes see in Wikipedia being referred to as NPOV) help you see all sides of a story.  In your future careers, you need to consider the pros and cons of anything - because only that way will you be a better professional.  If you're into software, look at the article on waterfall development model and how it looks at pros and cons.  If you're in economics, look at the article on the Euro bailout and see how it looks at all the multiple complex issues involved.  Very little in life is purely good or totally evil; we need to be neutral and consider all sides.  You will find this incredibly useful in both your personal and professional lives. This thinking will help you decide who to vote for in elections or which version of Lok Pal you support or which IPL team to follow!  This thinking will help you understand your subjects even better.
  3. It'll strengthen your research skills.  Editing a wikipedia article requires you to do a lot of referencing (or what wikipedia sometimes calls "citations".)  This means you need to look beyond just the wikipedia article and research online references and also go into that forgotten room called the library and look up books or journal.  This is a skill you cannot live without if you are writing a thesis or working on a research project.
  4. It teaches you how to collaborate!   Editing wikipedia is magical.  You add some content and someone from some other part of the class or school or town or country or somewhere else in the world adds a little bit more and makes your contribution that much better.  The days of sitting alone under a tree and having an apple fall on your head and discovering gravity are over.  In today's world, we will need to collaborate to achieve anything.  If you're into biotechnology, you might be based in Hyderabad but the team you are part of might have someone in Scotland or Brazil- from a different culture and with a different accent - but you need to work together.  Wikipedia helps you learn how to collaborate!
  5. It gives you a global audience of - literally, thousands!  If you submit a class report, the maximum audience is 2; 1 being you and 1 being your teacher.  After your paper is marked, it will normally be thrown away.  If you edit a wikipedia article, it is there *forever* and the audience can be any number from the 500 million who read wikipedia every month!  You can show your article to you mother and grandfather and friends!  If you upload pictures to Wikimedia Commons, you will have an audience so much bigger than the 500 friends on Facebook who will see it.  So many more can see your talents and appreciate your work!
  6. It'll boost your chances in admissions or scholarships or placements.  Imagine if you are a mechanical engineer and you are one of 100 students in your batch applying for jobs with the best engineering companies who come to campus.  Everyone is likely to submit a resume saying they are the greatest engineer ever born - but it's difficult for any one to stand out and shine.  If you were to put a line in your resume that you have edited 5 articles on heating and cooling systems, there is a very high probability that this would jump out at the recruitment team of the companies and the will actually read your article (if they haven't already.)
  7. It can be so much fun!  You can make new friends - from all over the world.. You can write about subjects that you are interested in (whether it is movies or your hometown or sarees or mythology  or cricket or whatever!) It think it is really important that we drive this message as passionately as we can because this is something that can resonate so loud and for so long!

Academia - Faculty & Education Institutions

  1. Students with all the above result in much more motivated classes.  One thing that teachers constantly say is that they one thing they want is engaged students.  I've had teachers tell me that if they are in a class and they see their students involved and trying to learn and active, it is the best thing that can happen to them - and the rest of their day goes well!
  2. It improves your individual and college's academic reputation.  In the Indian context where there is relatively lower emphasis on academic research papers by faculty members, supporting your students on Wikipedia articles helps you (rightfully) claim that you contributed to these articles.  That increases your academic standing and helps attract better students and faculty and partnerships and recruiting companies.
  3. It supports the advancement of education - for students in your class and colleges and around the world.  You have devoted your lives to education and this is a great way of promoting it.

I wanted to share my perspectives because I really believe that the "why" needs to be addressed.

Thanks for starting a great message thread, Srikanth.

Nitika

On 18-Dec-2011, at 1:37 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:

Subha, most of those bullies are editors with zero constructive edits
or IP based vandals. Sadly.
Erik, yes, I consider Giving to Wiki as giving back to Society. Thanks
for the links. Time to read during my month long Wiki break.
Ravi, Bala told me that physical outreach programs had very poor
success rates. I concur with him.
Prad, I agree. That's how Manish and I became friends. But still
doesn't explain how to get new guys.

--
Regards,
Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore

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Re: What's in it for me?

Deepon Saha
Nice...:)

Deepon

On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Nitika <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Srikanth & everyone else,

This is a really good question and one that I've been thinking about and working on as we look at outreach in general.

From my discussions with various editors and my observing and participating in outreach sessions, I think the biggest challenge when we do outreach is "why to contribute".  Of course, "how to edit" is essential - but unless someone believes there is a strong enough reason to participate, it's unlikely they're going to get involved or stay involved after a couple of exploratory edits.  From my conversations and readings, the motivators of existing editors are any or a combination (or variants) of "promoting free knowledge" or "sharing knowledge in general" or "improving education" or "passion for their languages" or "interest in a particular subject (e.g. astronomy or railways or butterflies.)  However, my opinion is that it is relatively complex to convey these in an initial outreach session.  It's best to motivate and train and support potential newbies to join the movement and community - and allow them to discover for themselves what is the inspiration for them (especially because it is likely to be unique to that individual.)

Personally, i think there are a number of really compelling answers to the "What's in it for me?" question - and I do want to share my take on it.  I'm dividing my answer into students and faculty/institutions.  (The tone I'm using is what can be used when actually answering the question.)  These answers are a little clinical and conceptual but I've found they work - and I believe they will provide an adequate incentive to try and learn a little bit more about editing and to hopefully become regular editors.

Academia - Students

  1. It improves your writing skills.  Writing skills are essential when you move ahead in life either to do further studies or to work.  Our education system (unfortunately) doesn't adequately teach writing skills and we all struggle when we have to write a formal report or research paper.  When you move into the working world, you'll find that you can be as good as you are at your work but unless you are able to write those written reports properly, you'll always find it hard to succeed.
  2. It will help your critical thinking.  Concepts like Neutral Point of View (which you will sometimes see in Wikipedia being referred to as NPOV) help you see all sides of a story.  In your future careers, you need to consider the pros and cons of anything - because only that way will you be a better professional.  If you're into software, look at the article on waterfall development model and how it looks at pros and cons.  If you're in economics, look at the article on the Euro bailout and see how it looks at all the multiple complex issues involved.  Very little in life is purely good or totally evil; we need to be neutral and consider all sides.  You will find this incredibly useful in both your personal and professional lives. This thinking will help you decide who to vote for in elections or which version of Lok Pal you support or which IPL team to follow!  This thinking will help you understand your subjects even better.
  3. It'll strengthen your research skills.  Editing a wikipedia article requires you to do a lot of referencing (or what wikipedia sometimes calls "citations".)  This means you need to look beyond just the wikipedia article and research online references and also go into that forgotten room called the library and look up books or journal.  This is a skill you cannot live without if you are writing a thesis or working on a research project.
  4. It teaches you how to collaborate!   Editing wikipedia is magical.  You add some content and someone from some other part of the class or school or town or country or somewhere else in the world adds a little bit more and makes your contribution that much better.  The days of sitting alone under a tree and having an apple fall on your head and discovering gravity are over.  In today's world, we will need to collaborate to achieve anything.  If you're into biotechnology, you might be based in Hyderabad but the team you are part of might have someone in Scotland or Brazil- from a different culture and with a different accent - but you need to work together.  Wikipedia helps you learn how to collaborate!
  5. It gives you a global audience of - literally, thousands!  If you submit a class report, the maximum audience is 2; 1 being you and 1 being your teacher.  After your paper is marked, it will normally be thrown away.  If you edit a wikipedia article, it is there *forever* and the audience can be any number from the 500 million who read wikipedia every month!  You can show your article to you mother and grandfather and friends!  If you upload pictures to Wikimedia Commons, you will have an audience so much bigger than the 500 friends on Facebook who will see it.  So many more can see your talents and appreciate your work!
  6. It'll boost your chances in admissions or scholarships or placements.  Imagine if you are a mechanical engineer and you are one of 100 students in your batch applying for jobs with the best engineering companies who come to campus.  Everyone is likely to submit a resume saying they are the greatest engineer ever born - but it's difficult for any one to stand out and shine.  If you were to put a line in your resume that you have edited 5 articles on heating and cooling systems, there is a very high probability that this would jump out at the recruitment team of the companies and the will actually read your article (if they haven't already.)
  7. It can be so much fun!  You can make new friends - from all over the world.. You can write about subjects that you are interested in (whether it is movies or your hometown or sarees or mythology  or cricket or whatever!) It think it is really important that we drive this message as passionately as we can because this is something that can resonate so loud and for so long!

Academia - Faculty & Education Institutions

  1. Students with all the above result in much more motivated classes.  One thing that teachers constantly say is that they one thing they want is engaged students.  I've had teachers tell me that if they are in a class and they see their students involved and trying to learn and active, it is the best thing that can happen to them - and the rest of their day goes well!
  2. It improves your individual and college's academic reputation.  In the Indian context where there is relatively lower emphasis on academic research papers by faculty members, supporting your students on Wikipedia articles helps you (rightfully) claim that you contributed to these articles.  That increases your academic standing and helps attract better students and faculty and partnerships and recruiting companies.
  3. It supports the advancement of education - for students in your class and colleges and around the world.  You have devoted your lives to education and this is a great way of promoting it.

I wanted to share my perspectives because I really believe that the "why" needs to be addressed.

Thanks for starting a great message thread, Srikanth.

Nitika

On 18-Dec-2011, at 1:37 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:

Subha, most of those bullies are editors with zero constructive edits
or IP based vandals. Sadly.
Erik, yes, I consider Giving to Wiki as giving back to Society. Thanks
for the links. Time to read during my month long Wiki break.
Ravi, Bala told me that physical outreach programs had very poor
success rates. I concur with him.
Prad, I agree. That's how Manish and I became friends. But still
doesn't explain how to get new guys.

--
Regards,
Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore

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Re: What's in it for me?

Srikanth Ramakrishnan-2
In reply to this post by Nitika Tandon-2
Wow Nitika, thank you for talking out time to write such a  detailed
reply to this thread. I agree completely, we learn, we enjoy. It is
indeed magical. There are perfect examples as part of this mailing
list itself. The only problem, however is getting across this thought
to newcomers. : )

On 12/18/11, Nitika <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Srikanth & everyone else,
>
> This is a really good question and one that I've been thinking about and
> working on as we look at outreach in general.
>
> From my discussions with various editors and my observing and participating
> in outreach sessions, I think the biggest challenge when we do outreach is
> "why to contribute".  Of course, "how to edit" is essential - but unless
> someone believes there is a strong enough reason to participate, it's
> unlikely they're going to get involved or stay involved after a couple of
> exploratory edits.  From my conversations and readings, the motivators of
> existing editors are any or a combination (or variants) of "promoting free
> knowledge" or "sharing knowledge in general" or "improving education" or
> "passion for their languages" or "interest in a particular subject (e.g.
> astronomy or railways or butterflies.)  However, my opinion is that it is
> relatively complex to convey these in an initial outreach session.  It's
> best to motivate and train and support potential newbies to join the
> movement and community - and allow them to discover for themselves what is
> the inspiration for them (especially because it is likely to be unique to
> that individual.)
>
> Personally, i think there are a number of really compelling answers to the
> "What's in it for me?" question - and I do want to share my take on it.  I'm
> dividing my answer into students and faculty/institutions.  (The tone I'm
> using is what can be used when actually answering the question.)  These
> answers are a little clinical and conceptual but I've found they work - and
> I believe they will provide an adequate incentive to try and learn a little
> bit more about editing and to hopefully become regular editors.
>
> Academia - Students
>
> It improves your writing skills.  Writing skills are essential when you move
> ahead in life either to do further studies or to work.  Our education system
> (unfortunately) doesn't adequately teach writing skills and we all struggle
> when we have to write a formal report or research paper.  When you move into
> the working world, you'll find that you can be as good as you are at your
> work but unless you are able to write those written reports properly, you'll
> always find it hard to succeed.
> It will help your critical thinking.  Concepts like Neutral Point of View
> (which you will sometimes see in Wikipedia being referred to as NPOV) help
> you see all sides of a story.  In your future careers, you need to consider
> the pros and cons of anything - because only that way will you be a better
> professional.  If you're into software, look at the article on waterfall
> development model and how it looks at pros and cons.  If you're in
> economics, look at the article on the Euro bailout and see how it looks at
> all the multiple complex issues involved.  Very little in life is purely
> good or totally evil; we need to be neutral and consider all sides.  You
> will find this incredibly useful in both your personal and professional
> lives. This thinking will help you decide who to vote for in elections or
> which version of Lok Pal you support or  which IPL team to follow!  This
> thinking will help you understand your subjects even better.
> It'll strengthen your research skills.  Editing a wikipedia article requires
> you to do a lot of referencing (or what wikipedia sometimes calls
> "citations".)  This means you need to look beyond just the wikipedia article
> and research online references and also go into that forgotten room called
> the library and look up books or journal.  This is a skill you cannot live
> without if you are writing a thesis or working on a research project.
> It teaches you how to collaborate!   Editing wikipedia is magical.  You add
> some content and someone from some other part of the class or school or town
> or country or somewhere else in the world adds a little bit more and makes
> your contribution that much better.  The days of sitting alone under a tree
> and having an apple fall on your head and discovering gravity are over.  In
> today's world, we will need to collaborate to achieve anything.  If you're
> into biotechnology, you might be based in Hyderabad but the team you are
> part of might have someone in Scotland or Brazil- from a different culture
> and with a different accent - but you need to work together.  Wikipedia
> helps you learn how to collaborate!
> It gives you a global audience of - literally, thousands!  If you submit a
> class report, the maximum audience is 2; 1 being you and 1 being your
> teacher.  After your paper is marked, it will normally be thrown away.  If
> you edit a wikipedia article, it is there *forever* and the audience can be
> any number from the 500 million who read wikipedia every month!  You can
> show your article to you mother and grandfather and friends!  If you upload
> pictures to Wikimedia Commons, you will have an audience so much bigger than
> the 500 friends on Facebook who will see it.  So many more can see your
> talents and appreciate your work!
> It'll boost your chances in admissions or scholarships or placements.
> Imagine if you are a mechanical engineer and you are one of 100 students in
> your batch applying for jobs with the best engineering companies who come to
> campus.  Everyone is likely to submit a resume saying they are the greatest
> engineer ever born - but it's difficult for any one to stand out and shine.
> If you were to put a line in your resume that you have edited 5 articles on
> heating and cooling systems, there is a very high probability that this
> would jump out at the recruitment team of the companies and the will
> actually read your article (if they haven't already.)
> It can be so much fun!  You can make new friends - from all over the world..
> You can write about subjects that you are interested in (whether it is
> movies or your hometown or sarees or mythology  or cricket or whatever!) It
> think it is really important that we drive this message as passionately as
> we can because this is something that can resonate so loud and for so long!
>
> Academia - Faculty & Education Institutions
>
> Students with all the above result in much more motivated classes.  One
> thing that teachers constantly say is that they one thing they want is
> engaged students.  I've had teachers tell me that if they are in a class and
> they see their students involved and trying to learn and active, it is the
> best thing that can happen to them - and the rest of their day goes well!
> It improves your individual and college's academic reputation.  In the
> Indian context where there is relatively lower emphasis on academic research
> papers by faculty members, supporting your students on Wikipedia articles
> helps you (rightfully) claim that you contributed to these articles.  That
> increases your academic standing and helps attract better students and
> faculty and partnerships and recruiting companies.
> It supports the advancement of education - for students in your class and
> colleges and around the world.  You have devoted your lives to education and
> this is a great way of promoting it.
>
> I wanted to share my perspectives because I really believe that the "why"
> needs to be addressed.
>
> Thanks for starting a great message thread, Srikanth.
>
> Nitika
>
> On 18-Dec-2011, at 1:37 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:
>
>> Subha, most of those bullies are editors with zero constructive edits
>> or IP based vandals. Sadly.
>> Erik, yes, I consider Giving to Wiki as giving back to Society. Thanks
>> for the links. Time to read during my month long Wiki break.
>> Ravi, Bala told me that physical outreach programs had very poor
>> success rates. I concur with him.
>> Prad, I agree. That's how Manish and I became friends. But still
>> doesn't explain how to get new guys.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
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Re: What's in it for me?

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Hi Nitika,

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Nitika <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Srikanth & everyone else,
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 i think there are a number of really compelling answers to the "What's in it for me?" question - and I do want to share my take on it. 

Thanks for sharing your thoughts in a nice and comprehensive way, which I am sure will be useful to  all our community involved in outreach activities.

I feel that sharing of the  experiences of  experienced Wikipedians involved in the outreach events  will be much more effective in communicating the message. I use the nicely produced Wikipedia promotion videos apart from sharing  my own experiences in the events that I participate.

Cheers
Arjuna Rao Chavala
 


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Re: What's in it for me?

Ashwin Baindur
Nitika, the plus points you gave are really well thought out & well-expressed. Wikipedians can use these in outreach. Great work, keep it up!

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Arjuna Rao Chavala <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Nitika,

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Nitika <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Srikanth & everyone else,
--cut--

 i think there are a number of really compelling answers to the "What's in it for me?" question - and I do want to share my take on it. 

Thanks for sharing your thoughts in a nice and comprehensive way, which I am sure will be useful to  all our community involved in outreach activities.

I feel that sharing of the  experiences of  experienced Wikipedians involved in the outreach events  will be much more effective in communicating the message. I use the nicely produced Wikipedia promotion videos apart from sharing  my own experiences in the events that I participate.

Cheers
Arjuna Rao Chavala
 


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