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[Wikimedia Announcements] Movement Strategy: Endorse the strategic direction today! #wikimedia2030

Nicole Ebber
Dear Wikimedians,

Today marks the final milestone of phase 1 of our movement strategy
process. Over the past eight months, many of you, of your peers,
colleagues, partners and friends have contributed to an endeavor that
resulted in the new Strategic Direction of the Wikimedia movement.

This direction provides us with an answer to the question: What do we
want to build and achieve as a movement over the next 10–15 years: By
2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the
ecosystem of free knowledge, and anyone who shares our vision will be
able to join us.[1]

On behalf of the strategy team, it’s with great pleasure that I invite
you today to declare your intent to work together towards this future.
Organized groups as well as individual contributors of our movement
are invited to endorse the Strategic Direction by adding their
signature to the endorsement page on Meta-Wiki. You will find all
necessary instructions there.[2]

By endorsing the Strategic Direction, you are not necessarily agreeing
with every single outcome of the first phase. Endorsing means that you
commit to participating in the next phase of this discussion in good
faith and to help define, by Wikimania 2018, how to come to an
agreement on roles, responsibilities, and organizational strategies
that enable us to implement that future.

In addition to signing the meta page, you are all welcome to use the
#wikimedia2030 hashtag on social media to celebrate and share your
excitement with the world and encourage other Wikimedians to show
their support, too.

Ideally, please leave questions or remarks on the talk page, to make
it easier to follow-up in a structured way.

Thank you!
Nicole


[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction#Our_strategic_direction:_Service_and_Equity
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction/Endorsement

--
Nicole Ebber
Adviser International Relations
Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups

Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin,
Steuernummer 27/029/42207.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Movement Strategy: Endorse the strategic direction today! #wikimedia2030

Fæ
On 26 Oct 2017 09:00, "Nicole Ebber" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Wikimedians,

Today marks the final milestone of phase 1 of our movement strategy
process. Over the past eight months, many of you, of your peers,
colleagues, partners and friends have contributed to an endeavor that
resulted in the new Strategic Direction of the Wikimedia movement.

This direction provides us with an answer to the question: What do we
want to build and achieve as a movement over the next 10–15 years: By
2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the
ecosystem of free knowledge, and anyone who shares our vision will be
able to join us.[1]

On behalf of the strategy team, it’s with great pleasure that I invite
you today to declare your intent to work together towards this future.
Organized groups as well as individual contributors of our movement
are invited to endorse the Strategic Direction by adding their
signature to the endorsement page on Meta-Wiki. You will find all
necessary instructions there.[2]

By endorsing the Strategic Direction, you are not necessarily agreeing
with every single outcome of the first phase. Endorsing means that you
commit to participating in the next phase of this discussion in good
faith and to help define, by Wikimania 2018, how to come to an
agreement on roles, responsibilities, and organizational strategies
that enable us to implement that future.

In addition to signing the meta page, you are all welcome to use the
#wikimedia2030 hashtag on social media to celebrate and share your
excitement with the world and encourage other Wikimedians to show
their support, too.

Ideally, please leave questions or remarks on the talk page, to make
it easier to follow-up in a structured way.

Thank you!
Nicole


[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
movement/2017/Direction#Our_strategic_direction:_Service_and_Equity
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
movement/2017/Direction/Endorsement

--
Nicole Ebber
Adviser International Relations
Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups

Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin,
Steuernummer 27/029/42207.

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Could Nicole, or someone else who is acting for the WMF, rephrase "Please
note that the strategic direction will not be renegotiated, and *the
endorsement is also a necessary step in order to participate in phase 2
discussions*." This needs clarification to ensure that the same values of
transparency and openness declared in the Movement Strategy applies to its
own process.

As currently worded, no afflilate that is committed to openness should
endorse the document, as it appears to create a closed club that
deliberately excludes all possible critical future voices. Whatever that
is, it is not the Wikimedia Community.

Thanks
Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Movement Strategy: Endorse the strategic direction today! #wikimedia2030

Lodewijk
I'm not sure how I missed that strongarm-statement ("the endorsement is
also a necessary step in order to participate in phase 2 discussions"). I'm
confident that this is a typo of a kind. It does not match with how I know
the people in charge of this process.

Lodewijk

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 26 Oct 2017 09:00, "Nicole Ebber" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Dear Wikimedians,
>
> Today marks the final milestone of phase 1 of our movement strategy
> process. Over the past eight months, many of you, of your peers,
> colleagues, partners and friends have contributed to an endeavor that
> resulted in the new Strategic Direction of the Wikimedia movement.
>
> This direction provides us with an answer to the question: What do we
> want to build and achieve as a movement over the next 10–15 years: By
> 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the
> ecosystem of free knowledge, and anyone who shares our vision will be
> able to join us.[1]
>
> On behalf of the strategy team, it’s with great pleasure that I invite
> you today to declare your intent to work together towards this future.
> Organized groups as well as individual contributors of our movement
> are invited to endorse the Strategic Direction by adding their
> signature to the endorsement page on Meta-Wiki. You will find all
> necessary instructions there.[2]
>
> By endorsing the Strategic Direction, you are not necessarily agreeing
> with every single outcome of the first phase. Endorsing means that you
> commit to participating in the next phase of this discussion in good
> faith and to help define, by Wikimania 2018, how to come to an
> agreement on roles, responsibilities, and organizational strategies
> that enable us to implement that future.
>
> In addition to signing the meta page, you are all welcome to use the
> #wikimedia2030 hashtag on social media to celebrate and share your
> excitement with the world and encourage other Wikimedians to show
> their support, too.
>
> Ideally, please leave questions or remarks on the talk page, to make
> it easier to follow-up in a structured way.
>
> Thank you!
> Nicole
>
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> movement/2017/Direction#Our_strategic_direction:_Service_and_Equity
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> movement/2017/Direction/Endorsement
>
> --
> Nicole Ebber
> Adviser International Relations
> Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups
>
> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
> V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
> Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
> anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin,
> Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately
> directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia
> community. For more information about Wikimedia-l:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
> _______________________________________________
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> [hidden email]
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l
>
>
> Could Nicole, or someone else who is acting for the WMF, rephrase "Please
> note that the strategic direction will not be renegotiated, and *the
> endorsement is also a necessary step in order to participate in phase 2
> discussions*." This needs clarification to ensure that the same values of
> transparency and openness declared in the Movement Strategy applies to its
> own process.
>
> As currently worded, no afflilate that is committed to openness should
> endorse the document, as it appears to create a closed club that
> deliberately excludes all possible critical future voices. Whatever that
> is, it is not the Wikimedia Community.
>
> Thanks
> Fae
> _______________________________________________
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Movement Strategy: Endorse the strategic direction today! #wikimedia2030

Nicole Ebber
Hi all,

By endorsing, people and organizations state that they agree that the
direction is the right way for us as a movement to move forward, and
that they commit to participate in phase 2 conversations in good
faith. And in phase 2, we will discuss how to fill this direction with
life. The next steps will will be designed as an inclusive process,
but we won't "oblige" anyone to contribute to phase 2, nor will we
"ban" people from it. A look into our FAQ can further clarify:

"How you use the outcomes of this discussion is up to you. Some
individuals or organizations may use it to inform programmatic or
organizational strategy. Others may see it as a way to connect with
the broader movement and invite others to contribute to Wikimedia.
Some may not use it at all – and that’s okay!

Practically, this does not mean that volunteers will be more
restricted in what activities they develop or engage in. Volunteers
will remain free to engage in activities that interest them and they
believe will most benefit Wikimedia and the world."
(https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Frequently_asked_questions#How_will_this_impact_me_or_my_organization.3F)

Hope that helps,
Nicole

On 27 October 2017 at 10:21, Lodewijk <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'm not sure how I missed that strongarm-statement ("the endorsement is
> also a necessary step in order to participate in phase 2 discussions"). I'm
> confident that this is a typo of a kind. It does not match with how I know
> the people in charge of this process.
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 26 Oct 2017 09:00, "Nicole Ebber" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Wikimedians,
>>
>> Today marks the final milestone of phase 1 of our movement strategy
>> process. Over the past eight months, many of you, of your peers,
>> colleagues, partners and friends have contributed to an endeavor that
>> resulted in the new Strategic Direction of the Wikimedia movement.
>>
>> This direction provides us with an answer to the question: What do we
>> want to build and achieve as a movement over the next 10–15 years: By
>> 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the
>> ecosystem of free knowledge, and anyone who shares our vision will be
>> able to join us.[1]
>>
>> On behalf of the strategy team, it’s with great pleasure that I invite
>> you today to declare your intent to work together towards this future.
>> Organized groups as well as individual contributors of our movement
>> are invited to endorse the Strategic Direction by adding their
>> signature to the endorsement page on Meta-Wiki. You will find all
>> necessary instructions there.[2]
>>
>> By endorsing the Strategic Direction, you are not necessarily agreeing
>> with every single outcome of the first phase. Endorsing means that you
>> commit to participating in the next phase of this discussion in good
>> faith and to help define, by Wikimania 2018, how to come to an
>> agreement on roles, responsibilities, and organizational strategies
>> that enable us to implement that future.
>>
>> In addition to signing the meta page, you are all welcome to use the
>> #wikimedia2030 hashtag on social media to celebrate and share your
>> excitement with the world and encourage other Wikimedians to show
>> their support, too.
>>
>> Ideally, please leave questions or remarks on the talk page, to make
>> it easier to follow-up in a structured way.
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Nicole
>>
>>
>> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
>> movement/2017/Direction#Our_strategic_direction:_Service_and_Equity
>> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
>> movement/2017/Direction/Endorsement
>>
>> --
>> Nicole Ebber
>> Adviser International Relations
>> Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups
>>
>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
>> V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
>> Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
>> anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin,
>> Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately
>> directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia
>> community. For more information about Wikimedia-l:
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
>> _______________________________________________
>> WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l
>>
>>
>> Could Nicole, or someone else who is acting for the WMF, rephrase "Please
>> note that the strategic direction will not be renegotiated, and *the
>> endorsement is also a necessary step in order to participate in phase 2
>> discussions*." This needs clarification to ensure that the same values of
>> transparency and openness declared in the Movement Strategy applies to its
>> own process.
>>
>> As currently worded, no afflilate that is committed to openness should
>> endorse the document, as it appears to create a closed club that
>> deliberately excludes all possible critical future voices. Whatever that
>> is, it is not the Wikimedia Community.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Fae
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>> wiki/Wikimedia-l
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>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
>> <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
>>
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Adviser International Relations
Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups

Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin,
Steuernummer 27/029/42207.

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Fæ
Sorry Nicole, what you have written is ambiguous. Will all affiliates and
individual volunteers be able to be full participants in later discussion
on the strategy, to exactly the same level as those that endorsed phase
one?

Saying that nobody gets "banned" does not ensure an open process. I.e. that
those not in the "club" will have the same access privileges or will not be
simply ignored as "non-U".

Thanks
Fae
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LGBT+
http://telegram.me/wmlgbt

On 27 Oct 2017 09:50, "Nicole Ebber" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi all,

By endorsing, people and organizations state that they agree that the
direction is the right way for us as a movement to move forward, and
that they commit to participate in phase 2 conversations in good
faith. And in phase 2, we will discuss how to fill this direction with
life. The next steps will will be designed as an inclusive process,
but we won't "oblige" anyone to contribute to phase 2, nor will we
"ban" people from it. A look into our FAQ can further clarify:

"How you use the outcomes of this discussion is up to you. Some
individuals or organizations may use it to inform programmatic or
organizational strategy. Others may see it as a way to connect with
the broader movement and invite others to contribute to Wikimedia.
Some may not use it at all – and that’s okay!

Practically, this does not mean that volunteers will be more
restricted in what activities they develop or engage in. Volunteers
will remain free to engage in activities that interest them and they
believe will most benefit Wikimedia and the world."
(https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
movement/2017/Frequently_asked_questions#How_will_this_
impact_me_or_my_organization.3F)

Hope that helps,
Nicole

On 27 October 2017 at 10:21, Lodewijk <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I'm not sure how I missed that strongarm-statement ("the endorsement is
> also a necessary step in order to participate in phase 2 discussions").
I'm

> confident that this is a typo of a kind. It does not match with how I know
> the people in charge of this process.
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 26 Oct 2017 09:00, "Nicole Ebber" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Wikimedians,
>>
>> Today marks the final milestone of phase 1 of our movement strategy
>> process. Over the past eight months, many of you, of your peers,
>> colleagues, partners and friends have contributed to an endeavor that
>> resulted in the new Strategic Direction of the Wikimedia movement.
>>
>> This direction provides us with an answer to the question: What do we
>> want to build and achieve as a movement over the next 10–15 years: By
>> 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the
>> ecosystem of free knowledge, and anyone who shares our vision will be
>> able to join us.[1]
>>
>> On behalf of the strategy team, it’s with great pleasure that I invite
>> you today to declare your intent to work together towards this future.
>> Organized groups as well as individual contributors of our movement
>> are invited to endorse the Strategic Direction by adding their
>> signature to the endorsement page on Meta-Wiki. You will find all
>> necessary instructions there.[2]
>>
>> By endorsing the Strategic Direction, you are not necessarily agreeing
>> with every single outcome of the first phase. Endorsing means that you
>> commit to participating in the next phase of this discussion in good
>> faith and to help define, by Wikimania 2018, how to come to an
>> agreement on roles, responsibilities, and organizational strategies
>> that enable us to implement that future.
>>
>> In addition to signing the meta page, you are all welcome to use the
>> #wikimedia2030 hashtag on social media to celebrate and share your
>> excitement with the world and encourage other Wikimedians to show
>> their support, too.
>>
>> Ideally, please leave questions or remarks on the talk page, to make
>> it easier to follow-up in a structured way.
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Nicole
>>
>>
>> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
>> movement/2017/Direction#Our_strategic_direction:_Service_and_Equity
>> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
>> movement/2017/Direction/Endorsement
>>
>> --
>> Nicole Ebber
>> Adviser International Relations
>> Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups
>>
>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
>> V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
>> Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
>> anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin,
>> Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately
>> directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia
>> community. For more information about Wikimedia-l:
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
>> _______________________________________________
>> WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l
>>
>>
>> Could Nicole, or someone else who is acting for the WMF, rephrase "Please
>> note that the strategic direction will not be renegotiated, and *the
>> endorsement is also a necessary step in order to participate in phase 2
>> discussions*." This needs clarification to ensure that the same values of
>> transparency and openness declared in the Movement Strategy applies to
its

>> own process.
>>
>> As currently worded, no afflilate that is committed to openness should
>> endorse the document, as it appears to create a closed club that
>> deliberately excludes all possible critical future voices. Whatever that
>> is, it is not the Wikimedia Community.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Fae
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>> wiki/Wikimedia-l
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Adviser International Relations
Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups

Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin,
Steuernummer 27/029/42207.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Movement Strategy: Endorse the strategic direction today! #wikimedia2030

Yaroslav Blanter
I think the situation is pretty clear, and we have already many statements
exactly about this point. The dissenters are being, and will continue being
simply ignored.

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Sorry Nicole, what you have written is ambiguous. Will all affiliates and
> individual volunteers be able to be full participants in later discussion
> on the strategy, to exactly the same level as those that endorsed phase
> one?
>
> Saying that nobody gets "banned" does not ensure an open process. I.e. that
> those not in the "club" will have the same access privileges or will not be
> simply ignored as "non-U".
>
> Thanks
> Fae
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LGBT+
> http://telegram.me/wmlgbt
>
> On 27 Oct 2017 09:50, "Nicole Ebber" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> By endorsing, people and organizations state that they agree that the
> direction is the right way for us as a movement to move forward, and
> that they commit to participate in phase 2 conversations in good
> faith. And in phase 2, we will discuss how to fill this direction with
> life. The next steps will will be designed as an inclusive process,
> but we won't "oblige" anyone to contribute to phase 2, nor will we
> "ban" people from it. A look into our FAQ can further clarify:
>
> "How you use the outcomes of this discussion is up to you. Some
> individuals or organizations may use it to inform programmatic or
> organizational strategy. Others may see it as a way to connect with
> the broader movement and invite others to contribute to Wikimedia.
> Some may not use it at all – and that’s okay!
>
> Practically, this does not mean that volunteers will be more
> restricted in what activities they develop or engage in. Volunteers
> will remain free to engage in activities that interest them and they
> believe will most benefit Wikimedia and the world."
> (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> movement/2017/Frequently_asked_questions#How_will_this_
> impact_me_or_my_organization.3F)
>
> Hope that helps,
> Nicole
>
> On 27 October 2017 at 10:21, Lodewijk <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I'm not sure how I missed that strongarm-statement ("the endorsement is
> > also a necessary step in order to participate in phase 2 discussions").
> I'm
> > confident that this is a typo of a kind. It does not match with how I
> know
> > the people in charge of this process.
> >
> > Lodewijk
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> On 26 Oct 2017 09:00, "Nicole Ebber" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Wikimedians,
> >>
> >> Today marks the final milestone of phase 1 of our movement strategy
> >> process. Over the past eight months, many of you, of your peers,
> >> colleagues, partners and friends have contributed to an endeavor that
> >> resulted in the new Strategic Direction of the Wikimedia movement.
> >>
> >> This direction provides us with an answer to the question: What do we
> >> want to build and achieve as a movement over the next 10–15 years: By
> >> 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the
> >> ecosystem of free knowledge, and anyone who shares our vision will be
> >> able to join us.[1]
> >>
> >> On behalf of the strategy team, it’s with great pleasure that I invite
> >> you today to declare your intent to work together towards this future.
> >> Organized groups as well as individual contributors of our movement
> >> are invited to endorse the Strategic Direction by adding their
> >> signature to the endorsement page on Meta-Wiki. You will find all
> >> necessary instructions there.[2]
> >>
> >> By endorsing the Strategic Direction, you are not necessarily agreeing
> >> with every single outcome of the first phase. Endorsing means that you
> >> commit to participating in the next phase of this discussion in good
> >> faith and to help define, by Wikimania 2018, how to come to an
> >> agreement on roles, responsibilities, and organizational strategies
> >> that enable us to implement that future.
> >>
> >> In addition to signing the meta page, you are all welcome to use the
> >> #wikimedia2030 hashtag on social media to celebrate and share your
> >> excitement with the world and encourage other Wikimedians to show
> >> their support, too.
> >>
> >> Ideally, please leave questions or remarks on the talk page, to make
> >> it easier to follow-up in a structured way.
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >> Nicole
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> >> movement/2017/Direction#Our_strategic_direction:_Service_and_Equity
> >> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> >> movement/2017/Direction/Endorsement
> >>
> >> --
> >> Nicole Ebber
> >> Adviser International Relations
> >> Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups
> >>
> >> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
> >> V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
> >> Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
> >> anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin,
> >> Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately
> >> directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia
> >> community. For more information about Wikimedia-l:
> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> [hidden email]
> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l
> >>
> >>
> >> Could Nicole, or someone else who is acting for the WMF, rephrase
> "Please
> >> note that the strategic direction will not be renegotiated, and *the
> >> endorsement is also a necessary step in order to participate in phase 2
> >> discussions*." This needs clarification to ensure that the same values
> of
> >> transparency and openness declared in the Movement Strategy applies to
> its
> >> own process.
> >>
> >> As currently worded, no afflilate that is committed to openness should
> >> endorse the document, as it appears to create a closed club that
> >> deliberately excludes all possible critical future voices. Whatever that
> >> is, it is not the Wikimedia Community.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Fae
> >> _______________________________________________
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>
> --
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> Adviser International Relations
> Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups
>
> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
> V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
> Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
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> Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Movement Strategy: Endorse the strategic direction today! #wikimedia2030

Mathieu Stumpf Guntz
Well, it might be clear in your mind Yaroslav, but Fæ point is that is
not clear at all in the answer of Nicole. So she might seize the
question to make it perfectly clear or just let it in a fuzzy state
which would give more credit to your point of view.

Thus said, while I do share concerns about this "endorse or hush" 
enforcement, I wouldn't qualify my point of view as being that of a
dissenter.


Le 27/10/2017 à 12:12, Yaroslav Blanter a écrit :

> I think the situation is pretty clear, and we have already many statements
> exactly about this point. The dissenters are being, and will continue being
> simply ignored.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Sorry Nicole, what you have written is ambiguous. Will all affiliates and
>> individual volunteers be able to be full participants in later discussion
>> on the strategy, to exactly the same level as those that endorsed phase
>> one?
>>
>> Saying that nobody gets "banned" does not ensure an open process. I.e. that
>> those not in the "club" will have the same access privileges or will not be
>> simply ignored as "non-U".
>>
>> Thanks
>> Fae
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LGBT+
>> http://telegram.me/wmlgbt
>>
>> On 27 Oct 2017 09:50, "Nicole Ebber" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> By endorsing, people and organizations state that they agree that the
>> direction is the right way for us as a movement to move forward, and
>> that they commit to participate in phase 2 conversations in good
>> faith. And in phase 2, we will discuss how to fill this direction with
>> life. The next steps will will be designed as an inclusive process,
>> but we won't "oblige" anyone to contribute to phase 2, nor will we
>> "ban" people from it. A look into our FAQ can further clarify:
>>
>> "How you use the outcomes of this discussion is up to you. Some
>> individuals or organizations may use it to inform programmatic or
>> organizational strategy. Others may see it as a way to connect with
>> the broader movement and invite others to contribute to Wikimedia.
>> Some may not use it at all – and that’s okay!
>>
>> Practically, this does not mean that volunteers will be more
>> restricted in what activities they develop or engage in. Volunteers
>> will remain free to engage in activities that interest them and they
>> believe will most benefit Wikimedia and the world."
>> (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
>> movement/2017/Frequently_asked_questions#How_will_this_
>> impact_me_or_my_organization.3F)
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>> Nicole
>>
>> On 27 October 2017 at 10:21, Lodewijk <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> I'm not sure how I missed that strongarm-statement ("the endorsement is
>>> also a necessary step in order to participate in phase 2 discussions").
>> I'm
>>> confident that this is a typo of a kind. It does not match with how I
>> know
>>> the people in charge of this process.
>>>
>>> Lodewijk
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 26 Oct 2017 09:00, "Nicole Ebber" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Wikimedians,
>>>>
>>>> Today marks the final milestone of phase 1 of our movement strategy
>>>> process. Over the past eight months, many of you, of your peers,
>>>> colleagues, partners and friends have contributed to an endeavor that
>>>> resulted in the new Strategic Direction of the Wikimedia movement.
>>>>
>>>> This direction provides us with an answer to the question: What do we
>>>> want to build and achieve as a movement over the next 10–15 years: By
>>>> 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the
>>>> ecosystem of free knowledge, and anyone who shares our vision will be
>>>> able to join us.[1]
>>>>
>>>> On behalf of the strategy team, it’s with great pleasure that I invite
>>>> you today to declare your intent to work together towards this future.
>>>> Organized groups as well as individual contributors of our movement
>>>> are invited to endorse the Strategic Direction by adding their
>>>> signature to the endorsement page on Meta-Wiki. You will find all
>>>> necessary instructions there.[2]
>>>>
>>>> By endorsing the Strategic Direction, you are not necessarily agreeing
>>>> with every single outcome of the first phase. Endorsing means that you
>>>> commit to participating in the next phase of this discussion in good
>>>> faith and to help define, by Wikimania 2018, how to come to an
>>>> agreement on roles, responsibilities, and organizational strategies
>>>> that enable us to implement that future.
>>>>
>>>> In addition to signing the meta page, you are all welcome to use the
>>>> #wikimedia2030 hashtag on social media to celebrate and share your
>>>> excitement with the world and encourage other Wikimedians to show
>>>> their support, too.
>>>>
>>>> Ideally, please leave questions or remarks on the talk page, to make
>>>> it easier to follow-up in a structured way.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>> Nicole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
>>>> movement/2017/Direction#Our_strategic_direction:_Service_and_Equity
>>>> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
>>>> movement/2017/Direction/Endorsement
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Nicole Ebber
>>>> Adviser International Relations
>>>> Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups
>>>>
>>>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
>>>> V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
>>>> Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
>>>> anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin,
>>>> Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately
>>>> directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia
>>>> community. For more information about Wikimedia-l:
>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Could Nicole, or someone else who is acting for the WMF, rephrase
>> "Please
>>>> note that the strategic direction will not be renegotiated, and *the
>>>> endorsement is also a necessary step in order to participate in phase 2
>>>> discussions*." This needs clarification to ensure that the same values
>> of
>>>> transparency and openness declared in the Movement Strategy applies to
>> its
>>>> own process.
>>>>
>>>> As currently worded, no afflilate that is committed to openness should
>>>> endorse the document, as it appears to create a closed club that
>>>> deliberately excludes all possible critical future voices. Whatever that
>>>> is, it is not the Wikimedia Community.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Fae
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>>>> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>>>> wiki/Wikimedia-l
>>>> New messages to: [hidden email]
>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Nicole Ebber
>> Adviser International Relations
>> Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups
>>
>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
>> V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
>> Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
>> anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin,
>> Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Movement Strategy: Endorse the strategic direction today! #wikimedia2030

Peter Southwood
In reply to this post by Lodewijk
That may be so, but it is there
I cannot judge by intentions when actions are what I must deal with.
Cheers,
Peter

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Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 10:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Movement Strategy: Endorse the strategic direction today! #wikimedia2030

I'm not sure how I missed that strongarm-statement ("the endorsement is also a necessary step in order to participate in phase 2 discussions"). I'm confident that this is a typo of a kind. It does not match with how I know the people in charge of this process.

Lodewijk

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 26 Oct 2017 09:00, "Nicole Ebber" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Dear Wikimedians,
>
> Today marks the final milestone of phase 1 of our movement strategy
> process. Over the past eight months, many of you, of your peers,
> colleagues, partners and friends have contributed to an endeavor that
> resulted in the new Strategic Direction of the Wikimedia movement.
>
> This direction provides us with an answer to the question: What do we
> want to build and achieve as a movement over the next 10–15 years: By
> 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the
> ecosystem of free knowledge, and anyone who shares our vision will be
> able to join us.[1]
>
> On behalf of the strategy team, it’s with great pleasure that I invite
> you today to declare your intent to work together towards this future.
> Organized groups as well as individual contributors of our movement
> are invited to endorse the Strategic Direction by adding their
> signature to the endorsement page on Meta-Wiki. You will find all
> necessary instructions there.[2]
>
> By endorsing the Strategic Direction, you are not necessarily agreeing
> with every single outcome of the first phase. Endorsing means that you
> commit to participating in the next phase of this discussion in good
> faith and to help define, by Wikimania 2018, how to come to an
> agreement on roles, responsibilities, and organizational strategies
> that enable us to implement that future.
>
> In addition to signing the meta page, you are all welcome to use the
> #wikimedia2030 hashtag on social media to celebrate and share your
> excitement with the world and encourage other Wikimedians to show
> their support, too.
>
> Ideally, please leave questions or remarks on the talk page, to make
> it easier to follow-up in a structured way.
>
> Thank you!
> Nicole
>
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> movement/2017/Direction#Our_strategic_direction:_Service_and_Equity
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> movement/2017/Direction/Endorsement
>
> --
> Nicole Ebber
> Adviser International Relations
> Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups
>
> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
> V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
> Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
> anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin,
> Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately
> directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia
> community. For more information about Wikimedia-l:
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> [hidden email]
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l
>
>
> Could Nicole, or someone else who is acting for the WMF, rephrase
> "Please note that the strategic direction will not be renegotiated,
> and *the endorsement is also a necessary step in order to participate
> in phase 2 discussions*." This needs clarification to ensure that the
> same values of transparency and openness declared in the Movement
> Strategy applies to its own process.
>
> As currently worded, no afflilate that is committed to openness should
> endorse the document, as it appears to create a closed club that
> deliberately excludes all possible critical future voices. Whatever
> that is, it is not the Wikimedia Community.
>
> Thanks
> Fae
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Peter Southwood
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Hi Nicole.
That is not the message we are getting from the endorsement page.
Cheers,
Peter

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Hi all,

By endorsing, people and organizations state that they agree that the direction is the right way for us as a movement to move forward, and that they commit to participate in phase 2 conversations in good faith. And in phase 2, we will discuss how to fill this direction with life. The next steps will will be designed as an inclusive process, but we won't "oblige" anyone to contribute to phase 2, nor will we "ban" people from it. A look into our FAQ can further clarify:

"How you use the outcomes of this discussion is up to you. Some individuals or organizations may use it to inform programmatic or organizational strategy. Others may see it as a way to connect with the broader movement and invite others to contribute to Wikimedia.
Some may not use it at all – and that’s okay!

Practically, this does not mean that volunteers will be more restricted in what activities they develop or engage in. Volunteers will remain free to engage in activities that interest them and they believe will most benefit Wikimedia and the world."
(https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Frequently_asked_questions#How_will_this_impact_me_or_my_organization.3F)

Hope that helps,
Nicole

On 27 October 2017 at 10:21, Lodewijk <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'm not sure how I missed that strongarm-statement ("the endorsement
> is also a necessary step in order to participate in phase 2
> discussions"). I'm confident that this is a typo of a kind. It does
> not match with how I know the people in charge of this process.
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 26 Oct 2017 09:00, "Nicole Ebber" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Wikimedians,
>>
>> Today marks the final milestone of phase 1 of our movement strategy
>> process. Over the past eight months, many of you, of your peers,
>> colleagues, partners and friends have contributed to an endeavor that
>> resulted in the new Strategic Direction of the Wikimedia movement.
>>
>> This direction provides us with an answer to the question: What do we
>> want to build and achieve as a movement over the next 10–15 years: By
>> 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the
>> ecosystem of free knowledge, and anyone who shares our vision will be
>> able to join us.[1]
>>
>> On behalf of the strategy team, it’s with great pleasure that I
>> invite you today to declare your intent to work together towards this future.
>> Organized groups as well as individual contributors of our movement
>> are invited to endorse the Strategic Direction by adding their
>> signature to the endorsement page on Meta-Wiki. You will find all
>> necessary instructions there.[2]
>>
>> By endorsing the Strategic Direction, you are not necessarily
>> agreeing with every single outcome of the first phase. Endorsing
>> means that you commit to participating in the next phase of this
>> discussion in good faith and to help define, by Wikimania 2018, how
>> to come to an agreement on roles, responsibilities, and
>> organizational strategies that enable us to implement that future.
>>
>> In addition to signing the meta page, you are all welcome to use the
>> #wikimedia2030 hashtag on social media to celebrate and share your
>> excitement with the world and encourage other Wikimedians to show
>> their support, too.
>>
>> Ideally, please leave questions or remarks on the talk page, to make
>> it easier to follow-up in a structured way.
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Nicole
>>
>>
>> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
>> movement/2017/Direction#Our_strategic_direction:_Service_and_Equity
>> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
>> movement/2017/Direction/Endorsement
>>
>> --
>> Nicole Ebber
>> Adviser International Relations
>> Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups
>>
>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
>> V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
>> Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
>> anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin,
>> Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be
>> immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the
>> Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l:
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
>> _______________________________________________
>> WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l
>>
>>
>> Could Nicole, or someone else who is acting for the WMF, rephrase
>> "Please note that the strategic direction will not be renegotiated,
>> and *the endorsement is also a necessary step in order to participate
>> in phase 2 discussions*." This needs clarification to ensure that the
>> same values of transparency and openness declared in the Movement
>> Strategy applies to its own process.
>>
>> As currently worded, no afflilate that is committed to openness
>> should endorse the document, as it appears to create a closed club
>> that deliberately excludes all possible critical future voices.
>> Whatever that is, it is not the Wikimedia Community.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Fae
>> _______________________________________________
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Movement Strategy: Endorse the strategic direction today! #wikimedia2030

Nicole Ebber
Hello again,

I have taken the unclear wording from the meta page. As I said, no one
will be excluded from phase 2 conversations.

I would also like to point out that this endorsement page is intended
to work like a show of approval and support instead of an RfC. We are
asking people to support it, to show that they agree upon the outcomes
and intent to contribute to the following process in good faith. It's
a group exercise that is also meant to show what unites us as a
movement.

It is no surprise that not everyone will like everything in the
direction, that's probably in the nature of such a document, and in
the nature of a strategy process. For those of you who have expressed
concerns and wonder about the clarity of the direction, phase 2 will
be the the space for all these conversations.

I will now restore the original status of the sections for organized
groups and individual contributors, without any sorting order but the
time the endorsement has been made.

Best,
Nicole

On 27 October 2017 at 15:59, Peter Southwood
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Nicole.
> That is not the message we are getting from the endorsement page.
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Nicole Ebber
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 10:50 AM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Movement Strategy: Endorse the strategic direction today! #wikimedia2030
>
> Hi all,
>
> By endorsing, people and organizations state that they agree that the direction is the right way for us as a movement to move forward, and that they commit to participate in phase 2 conversations in good faith. And in phase 2, we will discuss how to fill this direction with life. The next steps will will be designed as an inclusive process, but we won't "oblige" anyone to contribute to phase 2, nor will we "ban" people from it. A look into our FAQ can further clarify:
>
> "How you use the outcomes of this discussion is up to you. Some individuals or organizations may use it to inform programmatic or organizational strategy. Others may see it as a way to connect with the broader movement and invite others to contribute to Wikimedia.
> Some may not use it at all – and that’s okay!
>
> Practically, this does not mean that volunteers will be more restricted in what activities they develop or engage in. Volunteers will remain free to engage in activities that interest them and they believe will most benefit Wikimedia and the world."
> (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Frequently_asked_questions#How_will_this_impact_me_or_my_organization.3F)
>
> Hope that helps,
> Nicole
>
> On 27 October 2017 at 10:21, Lodewijk <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I'm not sure how I missed that strongarm-statement ("the endorsement
>> is also a necessary step in order to participate in phase 2
>> discussions"). I'm confident that this is a typo of a kind. It does
>> not match with how I know the people in charge of this process.
>>
>> Lodewijk
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 26 Oct 2017 09:00, "Nicole Ebber" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Wikimedians,
>>>
>>> Today marks the final milestone of phase 1 of our movement strategy
>>> process. Over the past eight months, many of you, of your peers,
>>> colleagues, partners and friends have contributed to an endeavor that
>>> resulted in the new Strategic Direction of the Wikimedia movement.
>>>
>>> This direction provides us with an answer to the question: What do we
>>> want to build and achieve as a movement over the next 10–15 years: By
>>> 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the
>>> ecosystem of free knowledge, and anyone who shares our vision will be
>>> able to join us.[1]
>>>
>>> On behalf of the strategy team, it’s with great pleasure that I
>>> invite you today to declare your intent to work together towards this future.
>>> Organized groups as well as individual contributors of our movement
>>> are invited to endorse the Strategic Direction by adding their
>>> signature to the endorsement page on Meta-Wiki. You will find all
>>> necessary instructions there.[2]
>>>
>>> By endorsing the Strategic Direction, you are not necessarily
>>> agreeing with every single outcome of the first phase. Endorsing
>>> means that you commit to participating in the next phase of this
>>> discussion in good faith and to help define, by Wikimania 2018, how
>>> to come to an agreement on roles, responsibilities, and
>>> organizational strategies that enable us to implement that future.
>>>
>>> In addition to signing the meta page, you are all welcome to use the
>>> #wikimedia2030 hashtag on social media to celebrate and share your
>>> excitement with the world and encourage other Wikimedians to show
>>> their support, too.
>>>
>>> Ideally, please leave questions or remarks on the talk page, to make
>>> it easier to follow-up in a structured way.
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>> Nicole
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
>>> movement/2017/Direction#Our_strategic_direction:_Service_and_Equity
>>> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
>>> movement/2017/Direction/Endorsement
>>>
>>> --
>>> Nicole Ebber
>>> Adviser International Relations
>>> Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups
>>>
>>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
>>> V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
>>> Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
>>> anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin,
>>> Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be
>>> immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the
>>> Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l:
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> [hidden email]
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l
>>>
>>>
>>> Could Nicole, or someone else who is acting for the WMF, rephrase
>>> "Please note that the strategic direction will not be renegotiated,
>>> and *the endorsement is also a necessary step in order to participate
>>> in phase 2 discussions*." This needs clarification to ensure that the
>>> same values of transparency and openness declared in the Movement
>>> Strategy applies to its own process.
>>>
>>> As currently worded, no afflilate that is committed to openness
>>> should endorse the document, as it appears to create a closed club
>>> that deliberately excludes all possible critical future voices.
>>> Whatever that is, it is not the Wikimedia Community.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Fae
>>> _______________________________________________
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> Adviser International Relations
> Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups
>
> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
> V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
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V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin,
Steuernummer 27/029/42207.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Movement Strategy: Endorse the strategic direction today! #wikimedia2030

Mathieu Stumpf Guntz


Le 27/10/2017 à 16:57, Nicole Ebber a écrit :

> Hello again,
>
> I have taken the unclear wording from the meta page. As I said, no one
> will be excluded from phase 2 conversations.
>
> I would also like to point out that this endorsement page is intended
> to work like a show of approval and support instead of an RfC. We are
> asking people to support it, to show that they agree upon the outcomes
> and intent to contribute to the following process in good faith. It's
> a group exercise that is also meant to show what unites us as a
> movement.
>
> It is no surprise that not everyone will like everything in the
> direction, that's probably in the nature of such a document, and in
> the nature of a strategy process. For those of you who have expressed
> concerns and wonder about the clarity of the direction, phase 2 will
> be the the space for all these conversations.
Well, harmony is not unison, and we promote diversity so it would be
actually strange to *not* hear some dissonance here and there.

I found the previous process interesting to look and participate at, but
either individual should not be asked to endorse it, or it should be
permitted to also be clearly neutral and opposed to it.

That is, either the foundation

  * is trying to identify a direction built and assented by the
    community¹, which is fine;
  * or is trying to push some direction, while taking more or less into
    consideration feedback from the community, which – as far as I'm
    concerned – is fine too.

But you can't play both sides while throwing a unified façade at the
face of the world. When you have (as I'm writing) 1 explicit
{{neutral}}, 9 explicit {{opposed}}, 8 explicit and 68 implicit
{{support}}, I don't see the point of hiding disagreements. All the
more, if endorsement don't play any role in participation in future
phases, and that there is in fact no actual way to oppose to its
adoption as is as a base for the next phase. What the point of this
endorsement at all? Why don't run phase 2 after phase 1 just like have
been done for cycles?

Finally, where is "knowledge equity" when endorsement requires that
people "are endorsing the original English version"?

Also, endorsement by groups is a different point, as groups can (and do)
discuss pros, cons and uselessness of such an endorsement. It would be
interesting to know at the end of the endorsement how much groups
expressed endorsement compared to the number of group that the
foundation or some chapter officially recognize.

And to end on a more positive not, I want to recall that I did deeply
appreciate participating in this strategy process so far, which produced
interesting debates both off line and on line, and I already met two
people making social science works who manifested interest for the
archived discussion it generated.

Ĝis baldaŭ

¹ That is, from the extreme minority within the community which do care
to give an answer and pass all the technical/language barrier to do so.


>
> I will now restore the original status of the sections for organized
> groups and individual contributors, without any sorting order but the
> time the endorsement has been made.
>
> Best,
> Nicole
>
> On 27 October 2017 at 15:59, Peter Southwood
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi Nicole.
>> That is not the message we are getting from the endorsement page.
>> Cheers,
>> Peter
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Nicole Ebber
>> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 10:50 AM
>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Movement Strategy: Endorse the strategic direction today! #wikimedia2030
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> By endorsing, people and organizations state that they agree that the direction is the right way for us as a movement to move forward, and that they commit to participate in phase 2 conversations in good faith. And in phase 2, we will discuss how to fill this direction with life. The next steps will will be designed as an inclusive process, but we won't "oblige" anyone to contribute to phase 2, nor will we "ban" people from it. A look into our FAQ can further clarify:
>>
>> "How you use the outcomes of this discussion is up to you. Some individuals or organizations may use it to inform programmatic or organizational strategy. Others may see it as a way to connect with the broader movement and invite others to contribute to Wikimedia.
>> Some may not use it at all – and that’s okay!
>>
>> Practically, this does not mean that volunteers will be more restricted in what activities they develop or engage in. Volunteers will remain free to engage in activities that interest them and they believe will most benefit Wikimedia and the world."
>> (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Frequently_asked_questions#How_will_this_impact_me_or_my_organization.3F)
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>> Nicole
>>
>> On 27 October 2017 at 10:21, Lodewijk <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> I'm not sure how I missed that strongarm-statement ("the endorsement
>>> is also a necessary step in order to participate in phase 2
>>> discussions"). I'm confident that this is a typo of a kind. It does
>>> not match with how I know the people in charge of this process.
>>>
>>> Lodewijk
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 26 Oct 2017 09:00, "Nicole Ebber" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Wikimedians,
>>>>
>>>> Today marks the final milestone of phase 1 of our movement strategy
>>>> process. Over the past eight months, many of you, of your peers,
>>>> colleagues, partners and friends have contributed to an endeavor that
>>>> resulted in the new Strategic Direction of the Wikimedia movement.
>>>>
>>>> This direction provides us with an answer to the question: What do we
>>>> want to build and achieve as a movement over the next 10–15 years: By
>>>> 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the
>>>> ecosystem of free knowledge, and anyone who shares our vision will be
>>>> able to join us.[1]
>>>>
>>>> On behalf of the strategy team, it’s with great pleasure that I
>>>> invite you today to declare your intent to work together towards this future.
>>>> Organized groups as well as individual contributors of our movement
>>>> are invited to endorse the Strategic Direction by adding their
>>>> signature to the endorsement page on Meta-Wiki. You will find all
>>>> necessary instructions there.[2]
>>>>
>>>> By endorsing the Strategic Direction, you are not necessarily
>>>> agreeing with every single outcome of the first phase. Endorsing
>>>> means that you commit to participating in the next phase of this
>>>> discussion in good faith and to help define, by Wikimania 2018, how
>>>> to come to an agreement on roles, responsibilities, and
>>>> organizational strategies that enable us to implement that future.
>>>>
>>>> In addition to signing the meta page, you are all welcome to use the
>>>> #wikimedia2030 hashtag on social media to celebrate and share your
>>>> excitement with the world and encourage other Wikimedians to show
>>>> their support, too.
>>>>
>>>> Ideally, please leave questions or remarks on the talk page, to make
>>>> it easier to follow-up in a structured way.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>> Nicole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
>>>> movement/2017/Direction#Our_strategic_direction:_Service_and_Equity
>>>> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
>>>> movement/2017/Direction/Endorsement
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Nicole Ebber
>>>> Adviser International Relations
>>>> Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups
>>>>
>>>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
>>>> V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
>>>> Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
>>>> anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin,
>>>> Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be
>>>> immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the
>>>> Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l:
>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Could Nicole, or someone else who is acting for the WMF, rephrase
>>>> "Please note that the strategic direction will not be renegotiated,
>>>> and *the endorsement is also a necessary step in order to participate
>>>> in phase 2 discussions*." This needs clarification to ensure that the
>>>> same values of transparency and openness declared in the Movement
>>>> Strategy applies to its own process.
>>>>
>>>> As currently worded, no afflilate that is committed to openness
>>>> should endorse the document, as it appears to create a closed club
>>>> that deliberately excludes all possible critical future voices.
>>>> Whatever that is, it is not the Wikimedia Community.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Fae
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>>>> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>>>> wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [hidden email]
>>>> Unsubscribe:
>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>> --
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>> Adviser International Relations
>> Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups
>>
>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
>> V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
>>
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James Salsman-2
I am also withholding my endorsement until the assertion that Mandarin
could overtake English is corrected, and I endorse the "harmony is not
unison" description of views other than mainstream, towards fringe.


On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 6:22 PM, mathieu stumpf guntz
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> Le 27/10/2017 à 16:57, Nicole Ebber a écrit :
>>
>> Hello again,
>>
>> I have taken the unclear wording from the meta page. As I said, no one
>> will be excluded from phase 2 conversations.
>>
>> I would also like to point out that this endorsement page is intended
>> to work like a show of approval and support instead of an RfC. We are
>> asking people to support it, to show that they agree upon the outcomes
>> and intent to contribute to the following process in good faith. It's
>> a group exercise that is also meant to show what unites us as a
>> movement.
>>
>> It is no surprise that not everyone will like everything in the
>> direction, that's probably in the nature of such a document, and in
>> the nature of a strategy process. For those of you who have expressed
>> concerns and wonder about the clarity of the direction, phase 2 will
>> be the the space for all these conversations.
>
> Well, harmony is not unison, and we promote diversity so it would be
> actually strange to *not* hear some dissonance here and there.
>
> I found the previous process interesting to look and participate at, but
> either individual should not be asked to endorse it, or it should be
> permitted to also be clearly neutral and opposed to it.
>
> That is, either the foundation
>
>  * is trying to identify a direction built and assented by the
>    community¹, which is fine;
>  * or is trying to push some direction, while taking more or less into
>    consideration feedback from the community, which – as far as I'm
>    concerned – is fine too.
>
> But you can't play both sides while throwing a unified façade at the face of
> the world. When you have (as I'm writing) 1 explicit {{neutral}}, 9 explicit
> {{opposed}}, 8 explicit and 68 implicit {{support}}, I don't see the point
> of hiding disagreements. All the more, if endorsement don't play any role in
> participation in future phases, and that there is in fact no actual way to
> oppose to its adoption as is as a base for the next phase. What the point of
> this endorsement at all? Why don't run phase 2 after phase 1 just like have
> been done for cycles?
>
> Finally, where is "knowledge equity" when endorsement requires that people
> "are endorsing the original English version"?
>
> Also, endorsement by groups is a different point, as groups can (and do)
> discuss pros, cons and uselessness of such an endorsement. It would be
> interesting to know at the end of the endorsement how much groups expressed
> endorsement compared to the number of group that the foundation or some
> chapter officially recognize.
>
> And to end on a more positive not, I want to recall that I did deeply
> appreciate participating in this strategy process so far, which produced
> interesting debates both off line and on line, and I already met two people
> making social science works who manifested interest for the archived
> discussion it generated.
>
> Ĝis baldaŭ
>
> ¹ That is, from the extreme minority within the community which do care to
> give an answer and pass all the technical/language barrier to do so.
>
>
>
>>
>> I will now restore the original status of the sections for organized
>> groups and individual contributors, without any sorting order but the
>> time the endorsement has been made.
>>
>> Best,
>> Nicole
>>
>> On 27 October 2017 at 15:59, Peter Southwood
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Nicole.
>>> That is not the message we are getting from the endorsement page.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:[hidden email]] On
>>> Behalf Of Nicole Ebber
>>> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 10:50 AM
>>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Movement Strategy:
>>> Endorse the strategic direction today! #wikimedia2030
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> By endorsing, people and organizations state that they agree that the
>>> direction is the right way for us as a movement to move forward, and that
>>> they commit to participate in phase 2 conversations in good faith. And in
>>> phase 2, we will discuss how to fill this direction with life. The next
>>> steps will will be designed as an inclusive process, but we won't "oblige"
>>> anyone to contribute to phase 2, nor will we "ban" people from it. A look
>>> into our FAQ can further clarify:
>>>
>>> "How you use the outcomes of this discussion is up to you. Some
>>> individuals or organizations may use it to inform programmatic or
>>> organizational strategy. Others may see it as a way to connect with the
>>> broader movement and invite others to contribute to Wikimedia.
>>> Some may not use it at all – and that’s okay!
>>>
>>> Practically, this does not mean that volunteers will be more restricted
>>> in what activities they develop or engage in. Volunteers will remain free to
>>> engage in activities that interest them and they believe will most benefit
>>> Wikimedia and the world."
>>>
>>> (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Frequently_asked_questions#How_will_this_impact_me_or_my_organization.3F)
>>>
>>> Hope that helps,
>>> Nicole
>>>
>>> On 27 October 2017 at 10:21, Lodewijk <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure how I missed that strongarm-statement ("the endorsement
>>>> is also a necessary step in order to participate in phase 2
>>>> discussions"). I'm confident that this is a typo of a kind. It does
>>>> not match with how I know the people in charge of this process.
>>>>
>>>> Lodewijk
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 26 Oct 2017 09:00, "Nicole Ebber" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Wikimedians,
>>>>>
>>>>> Today marks the final milestone of phase 1 of our movement strategy
>>>>> process. Over the past eight months, many of you, of your peers,
>>>>> colleagues, partners and friends have contributed to an endeavor that
>>>>> resulted in the new Strategic Direction of the Wikimedia movement.
>>>>>
>>>>> This direction provides us with an answer to the question: What do we
>>>>> want to build and achieve as a movement over the next 10–15 years: By
>>>>> 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the
>>>>> ecosystem of free knowledge, and anyone who shares our vision will be
>>>>> able to join us.[1]
>>>>>
>>>>> On behalf of the strategy team, it’s with great pleasure that I
>>>>> invite you today to declare your intent to work together towards this
>>>>> future.
>>>>> Organized groups as well as individual contributors of our movement
>>>>> are invited to endorse the Strategic Direction by adding their
>>>>> signature to the endorsement page on Meta-Wiki. You will find all
>>>>> necessary instructions there.[2]
>>>>>
>>>>> By endorsing the Strategic Direction, you are not necessarily
>>>>> agreeing with every single outcome of the first phase. Endorsing
>>>>> means that you commit to participating in the next phase of this
>>>>> discussion in good faith and to help define, by Wikimania 2018, how
>>>>> to come to an agreement on roles, responsibilities, and
>>>>> organizational strategies that enable us to implement that future.
>>>>>
>>>>> In addition to signing the meta page, you are all welcome to use the
>>>>> #wikimedia2030 hashtag on social media to celebrate and share your
>>>>> excitement with the world and encourage other Wikimedians to show
>>>>> their support, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ideally, please leave questions or remarks on the talk page, to make
>>>>> it easier to follow-up in a structured way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>> Nicole
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
>>>>> movement/2017/Direction#Our_strategic_direction:_Service_and_Equity
>>>>> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
>>>>> movement/2017/Direction/Endorsement
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Nicole Ebber
>>>>> Adviser International Relations
>>>>> Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups
>>>>>
>>>>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
>>>>> V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
>>>>> Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
>>>>> anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin,
>>>>> Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
>>>>>
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>>>>> Could Nicole, or someone else who is acting for the WMF, rephrase
>>>>> "Please note that the strategic direction will not be renegotiated,
>>>>> and *the endorsement is also a necessary step in order to participate
>>>>> in phase 2 discussions*." This needs clarification to ensure that the
>>>>> same values of transparency and openness declared in the Movement
>>>>> Strategy applies to its own process.
>>>>>
>>>>> As currently worded, no afflilate that is committed to openness
>>>>> should endorse the document, as it appears to create a closed club
>>>>> that deliberately excludes all possible critical future voices.
>>>>> Whatever that is, it is not the Wikimedia Community.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Fae
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>>> --
>>> Nicole Ebber
>>> Adviser International Relations
>>> Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups
>>>
>>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
>>> V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
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