Hello all,
The preliminary report of the results of the 2015 Harassment survey is now available on Commons, as linked from Meta.[1] This is the first version of our analysis of the results, and while it is nearly completed, it will be amended and updated within a week as we finish developing it. The data set is large, involving sixteen languages with several free text questions, and it has also been linked from the Meta page. This information is an important factor in gaining a better understanding of both the forms harassment takes and the impact it has on the Wikimedia projects. We welcome your feedback and impressions on the Research talk page on Meta.[2] We want to thank the many Wikimedia volunteers, academics, and Wikimedia Foundation staff who helped prepare and translate the survey, and who gave feedback on the report. Best regards, Patrick, for the Support and Safety team[3] [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Harassment_survey_2015#Results [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Harassment_survey_2015 [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Support_and_Safety -- Patrick Earley Community Advocate Wikimedia Foundation [hidden email] (1) 415 975 1874 _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> |
Patrick,
Thank you for posting this -- excellent work done by our team and deep engagement with the community. I encourage everyone to review as we continue to assess best ways to support healthy and safe Wikimedia environment for all our contributors and readers. Lila On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Patrick Earley <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hello all, > > The preliminary report of the results of the 2015 Harassment survey is now > available on Commons, as linked from Meta.[1] This is the first version of > our analysis of the results, and while it is nearly completed, it will be > amended and updated within a week as we finish developing it. The data set > is large, involving sixteen languages with several free text questions, and > it has also been linked from the Meta page. > > This information is an important factor in gaining a better understanding > of both the forms harassment takes and the impact it has on the Wikimedia > projects. We welcome your feedback and impressions on the Research talk > page on Meta.[2] > > We want to thank the many Wikimedia volunteers, academics, and Wikimedia > Foundation staff who helped prepare and translate the survey, and who gave > feedback on the report. > > Best regards, > > Patrick, for the Support and Safety team[3] > > > [1] > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Harassment_survey_2015#Results > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Harassment_survey_2015 > > [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Support_and_Safety > > -- > Patrick Earley > Community Advocate > Wikimedia Foundation > [hidden email] > (1) 415 975 1874 > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: [hidden email] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> -- Lila Tretikov Wikimedia Foundation *“Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid.”* _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> |
Patrick, I also want to thank you and the team for having done this work.
It's extremely interesting and informative, and I think it will be very helpful moving forward. Sarah On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Lila Tretikov <[hidden email]> wrote: > Patrick, > > Thank you for posting this -- excellent work done by our team and deep > engagement with the community. I encourage everyone to review as we > continue to assess best ways to support healthy and safe Wikimedia > environment for all our contributors and readers. > > Lila > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Patrick Earley <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > The preliminary report of the results of the 2015 Harassment survey is > now > > available on Commons, as linked from Meta.[1] This is the first version > of > > our analysis of the results, and while it is nearly completed, it will be > > amended and updated within a week as we finish developing it. The data > set > > is large, involving sixteen languages with several free text questions, > and > > it has also been linked from the Meta page. > > > > This information is an important factor in gaining a better understanding > > of both the forms harassment takes and the impact it has on the Wikimedia > > projects. We welcome your feedback and impressions on the Research talk > > page on Meta.[2] > > > > We want to thank the many Wikimedia volunteers, academics, and Wikimedia > > Foundation staff who helped prepare and translate the survey, and who > gave > > feedback on the report. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Patrick, for the Support and Safety team[3] > > > > > > [1] > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Harassment_survey_2015#Results > > > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Harassment_survey_2015 > > > > [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Support_and_Safety > > > > -- > > Patrick Earley > > Community Advocate > > Wikimedia Foundation > > [hidden email] > > (1) 415 975 1874 > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: [hidden email] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > -- > Lila Tretikov > Wikimedia Foundation > > *“Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid.”* > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: [hidden email] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> |
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Thanks Patrick, a wonderful first step.
For future updates, I hope you can find ways to add data from automated analysis of interactions, like the League of Legends example Toby shared a few months back. Sam On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Patrick Earley <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hello all, > > The preliminary report of the results of the 2015 Harassment survey is now > available on Commons, as linked from Meta.[1] This is the first version of > our analysis of the results, and while it is nearly completed, it will be > amended and updated within a week as we finish developing it. The data set > is large, involving sixteen languages with several free text questions, and > it has also been linked from the Meta page. > > This information is an important factor in gaining a better understanding > of both the forms harassment takes and the impact it has on the Wikimedia > projects. We welcome your feedback and impressions on the Research talk > page on Meta.[2] > > We want to thank the many Wikimedia volunteers, academics, and Wikimedia > Foundation staff who helped prepare and translate the survey, and who gave > feedback on the report. > > Best regards, > > Patrick, for the Support and Safety team[3] > > > [1] > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Harassment_survey_2015#Results > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Harassment_survey_2015 > > [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Support_and_Safety > > -- > Patrick Earley > Community Advocate > Wikimedia Foundation > [hidden email] > (1) 415 975 1874 > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: [hidden email] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> |
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Thank you Patrick.
The (preliminary) report is in my mind deeply disturbing, not merely by how widespread harassment is, but also by what types of harassment respondents cite. User page vandalism and flaming I would have expected, but around 35% of respondents in our community* apparently were subject to Outing, Threats of Violence, Impersonation and Hacking. Almost one third (!) of the respondents were themselves the subject of revenge porn, defined by the survey as: "publishing of sexually explicit or sexualised photos of without one's consent". Wait, what? How could that possibly be...? Either a substantial number of respondents did not answer truthfully, or they didn't understand the question, or I really have no clue what's going on in this community. Tobias * I multiplied the percentage of responses (~65%) with the number of users who were asked this question because they reported they'd been harassed or maybe harassed (54%). _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> |
Hi, Tobias.
In the time I've worked at the Wikimedia Foundation, I have (unsurprisingly, given its reported prevalence) come across this kind of harassment in my work with Support and Safety (formerly Community Advocacy). There have been cases where perfectly harmless pictures of the individuals have been doctored to be sexualized and cases where existing pornographic pictures that were not the individual were selected and misattributed as being them. I have personally been involved in complaints of this happening to both men and women. Best, Maggie On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Tobias <[hidden email]> wrote: > Thank you Patrick. > > The (preliminary) report is in my mind deeply disturbing, not merely by > how widespread harassment is, but also by what types of harassment > respondents cite. > > User page vandalism and flaming I would have expected, but around 35% of > respondents in our community* apparently were subject to Outing, Threats > of Violence, Impersonation and Hacking. > > Almost one third (!) of the respondents were themselves the subject of > revenge porn, defined by the survey as: "publishing of sexually explicit > or sexualised photos of without one's consent". > > > Wait, what? How could that possibly be...? > > Either a substantial number of respondents did not answer truthfully, or > they didn't understand the question, or I really have no clue what's > going on in this community. > > > Tobias > > * I multiplied the percentage of responses (~65%) with the number of > users who were asked this question because they reported they'd been > harassed or maybe harassed (54%). > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: [hidden email] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Maggie Dennis Director, Support and Safety Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> |
Hi Maggie,
On 01/30/2016 02:35 PM, Maggie Dennis wrote: > In the time I've worked at the Wikimedia Foundation, I have > (unsurprisingly, given its reported prevalence) come across this kind of > harassment in my work with Support and Safety (formerly Community > Advocacy). There have been cases where perfectly harmless pictures of the > individuals have been doctored to be sexualized and cases where existing > pornographic pictures that were not the individual were selected and > misattributed as being them. I have personally been involved in complaints > of this happening to both men and women. thank you for providing further insights. That is really concerning. At the same time, a great majority of users do not publish photos of themselves, and don't publish their name (which would allow others to find available photos elsewhere), so it is still a mystery to me how this very high percentage can be explained. Tobias _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> |
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On 30 January 2016 at 13:14, Tobias <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Almost one third (!) of the respondents were themselves the subject of > revenge porn, defined by the survey as: "publishing of sexually explicit > or sexualised photos of without one's consent". > > > Wait, what? How could that possibly be...? > > Either a substantial number of respondents did not answer truthfully, or > they didn't understand the question, or I really have no clue what's > going on in this community. Possibly an artefact of a self-selecting audience. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> |
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Maggie gave the answer: "and cases where existing
pornographic pictures that were not the individual were selected and misattributed as being them." It isn't dependent on an actual published photo. You can take any old photo, slap "Philippe beau fete" on it, and run with it. (You CAN....but please don't.) -- Philippe Beaudette [hidden email] > On Jan 30, 2016, at 5:47 AM, Tobias <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Hi Maggie, > >> On 01/30/2016 02:35 PM, Maggie Dennis wrote: >> In the time I've worked at the Wikimedia Foundation, I have >> (unsurprisingly, given its reported prevalence) come across this kind of >> harassment in my work with Support and Safety (formerly Community >> Advocacy). There have been cases where perfectly harmless pictures of the >> individuals have been doctored to be sexualized and cases where existing >> pornographic pictures that were not the individual were selected and >> misattributed as being them. I have personally been involved in complaints >> of this happening to both men and women. > > thank you for providing further insights. That is really concerning. > > At the same time, a great majority of users do not publish photos of > themselves, and don't publish their name (which would allow others to > find available photos elsewhere), so it is still a mystery to me how > this very high percentage can be explained. > > Tobias > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: [hidden email] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> |
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Hi, Tobias.
The pictures may not be the individuals at all; they may be pornographic pictures of others that are misattributed. And sometimes the attribution is not to a real name, but to their usernames. In all cases, the intent seems to be to humiliate and hurt the target. Sometimes the goal seems to be to drive them away. Of course, I don't know the stories of all the respondents who selected that - not even a substantial percentage of them. I was surprised by the prevalence, too, but maybe not as surprised as you given what I *have* seen in nearly 5 years of working in this area at the WMF. People try all different kinds of ways to try to hurt each other, and sexualized attacks of one kind or another are sadly really common. Best, Maggie On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Tobias <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi Maggie, > > On 01/30/2016 02:35 PM, Maggie Dennis wrote: > > In the time I've worked at the Wikimedia Foundation, I have > > (unsurprisingly, given its reported prevalence) come across this kind of > > harassment in my work with Support and Safety (formerly Community > > Advocacy). There have been cases where perfectly harmless pictures of the > > individuals have been doctored to be sexualized and cases where existing > > pornographic pictures that were not the individual were selected and > > misattributed as being them. I have personally been involved in > complaints > > of this happening to both men and women. > > thank you for providing further insights. That is really concerning. > > At the same time, a great majority of users do not publish photos of > themselves, and don't publish their name (which would allow others to > find available photos elsewhere), so it is still a mystery to me how > this very high percentage can be explained. > > Tobias > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: [hidden email] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Maggie Dennis Director, Support and Safety Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> |
As an oversighter on Wikimedia Commons, I have witness what has been
described by Maggie and Philippe. We should take such reports seriously, instead of trying to invalidate the result. The denial is hindering improvements. Le 30 janv. 2016 3:03 PM, "Maggie Dennis" <[hidden email]> a écrit : > Hi, Tobias. > > The pictures may not be the individuals at all; they may be pornographic > pictures of others that are misattributed. And sometimes the attribution is > not to a real name, but to their usernames. In all cases, the intent seems > to be to humiliate and hurt the target. Sometimes the goal seems to be to > drive them away. > > Of course, I don't know the stories of all the respondents who selected > that - not even a substantial percentage of them. I was surprised by the > prevalence, too, but maybe not as surprised as you given what I *have* seen > in nearly 5 years of working in this area at the WMF. People try all > different kinds of ways to try to hurt each other, and sexualized attacks > of one kind or another are sadly really common. > > Best, > > Maggie > > > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Tobias <[hidden email] > > > wrote: > > > Hi Maggie, > > > > On 01/30/2016 02:35 PM, Maggie Dennis wrote: > > > In the time I've worked at the Wikimedia Foundation, I have > > > (unsurprisingly, given its reported prevalence) come across this kind > of > > > harassment in my work with Support and Safety (formerly Community > > > Advocacy). There have been cases where perfectly harmless pictures of > the > > > individuals have been doctored to be sexualized and cases where > existing > > > pornographic pictures that were not the individual were selected and > > > misattributed as being them. I have personally been involved in > > complaints > > > of this happening to both men and women. > > > > thank you for providing further insights. That is really concerning. > > > > At the same time, a great majority of users do not publish photos of > > themselves, and don't publish their name (which would allow others to > > find available photos elsewhere), so it is still a mystery to me how > > this very high percentage can be explained. > > > > Tobias > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: [hidden email] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > -- > Maggie Dennis > Director, Support and Safety > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: [hidden email] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> |
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Right. Thanks Philippe and Maggie!
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Unfortunately, I'm not surprised either. Can't discuss details for obvious
reasons, but some of the stuff I saw while on the ArbCom would really make your hair curl. Trolls can get pretty vicious. Todd On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Tobias <[hidden email]> wrote: > Right. Thanks Philippe and Maggie! > > Tobias > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: [hidden email] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> |
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Hi Tobias,
Like Maggie, I was not surprised that people (both men and women) were reporting revenge porn because I know of reports in the Wikimedia community, but like her I was surprised that this survey showed revenge porn being reported by this many people. But it is not surprising that the people who experienced the worst types of harassment, or type that the WMF and wikimedia community is the least able to address would respond to this survey. Without further verification, I would not suggest the 65% figure to be representative of the whole wikimedia community of people who are harassed. Most people understand that this type of survey sample would not produce results that are representative of the whole community. But it does show an example of a type of extreme harassment that poorly understood by the community. This information can help educate the WMF and the wikimedia community, and hopefully will help find better ways of assisting the people being harassed. Sydney Sydney Poore User:FloNight Wikipedian in Residence at Cochrane Collaboration On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Maggie Dennis <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi, Tobias. > > The pictures may not be the individuals at all; they may be pornographic > pictures of others that are misattributed. And sometimes the attribution is > not to a real name, but to their usernames. In all cases, the intent seems > to be to humiliate and hurt the target. Sometimes the goal seems to be to > drive them away. > > Of course, I don't know the stories of all the respondents who selected > that - not even a substantial percentage of them. I was surprised by the > prevalence, too, but maybe not as surprised as you given what I *have* seen > in nearly 5 years of working in this area at the WMF. People try all > different kinds of ways to try to hurt each other, and sexualized attacks > of one kind or another are sadly really common. > > Best, > > Maggie > > > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Tobias <[hidden email]> > wrote: > >> Hi Maggie, >> >> On 01/30/2016 02:35 PM, Maggie Dennis wrote: >> > In the time I've worked at the Wikimedia Foundation, I have >> > (unsurprisingly, given its reported prevalence) come across this kind of >> > harassment in my work with Support and Safety (formerly Community >> > Advocacy). There have been cases where perfectly harmless pictures of the >> > individuals have been doctored to be sexualized and cases where existing >> > pornographic pictures that were not the individual were selected and >> > misattributed as being them. I have personally been involved in >> complaints >> > of this happening to both men and women. >> >> thank you for providing further insights. That is really concerning. >> >> At the same time, a great majority of users do not publish photos of >> themselves, and don't publish their name (which would allow others to >> find available photos elsewhere), so it is still a mystery to me how >> this very high percentage can be explained. >> >> Tobias >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> New messages to: [hidden email] >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> >> > > > > -- > Maggie Dennis > Director, Support and Safety > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: [hidden email] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> |
I have been surprised again and again by a casual form of vandalism that
goes unchecked because it is possibly seen as humorous. Here is an example of something I have corrected in passing (and can remember how to find in order to link it here): https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Florence_Devouard&type=revision&diff=427057319&oldid=426139028 On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Sydney Poore <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi Tobias, > > Like Maggie, I was not surprised that people (both men and women) were > reporting revenge porn because I know of reports in the Wikimedia > community, but like her I was surprised that this survey showed > revenge porn being reported by this many people. > > But it is not surprising that the people who experienced the worst > types of harassment, or type that the WMF and wikimedia community is > the least able to address would respond to this survey. > > Without further verification, I would not suggest the 65% figure to be > representative of the whole wikimedia community of people who are > harassed. Most people understand that this type of survey sample would > not produce results that are representative of the whole community. > > But it does show an example of a type of extreme harassment that > poorly understood by the community. This information can help educate > the WMF and the wikimedia community, and hopefully will help find > better ways of assisting the people being harassed. > > Sydney > > > > Sydney Poore > User:FloNight > Wikipedian in Residence > at Cochrane Collaboration > > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Maggie Dennis <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > Hi, Tobias. > > > > The pictures may not be the individuals at all; they may be pornographic > > pictures of others that are misattributed. And sometimes the attribution > is > > not to a real name, but to their usernames. In all cases, the intent > seems > > to be to humiliate and hurt the target. Sometimes the goal seems to be to > > drive them away. > > > > Of course, I don't know the stories of all the respondents who selected > > that - not even a substantial percentage of them. I was surprised by the > > prevalence, too, but maybe not as surprised as you given what I *have* > seen > > in nearly 5 years of working in this area at the WMF. People try all > > different kinds of ways to try to hurt each other, and sexualized attacks > > of one kind or another are sadly really common. > > > > Best, > > > > Maggie > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Tobias < > [hidden email]> > > wrote: > > > >> Hi Maggie, > >> > >> On 01/30/2016 02:35 PM, Maggie Dennis wrote: > >> > In the time I've worked at the Wikimedia Foundation, I have > >> > (unsurprisingly, given its reported prevalence) come across this kind > of > >> > harassment in my work with Support and Safety (formerly Community > >> > Advocacy). There have been cases where perfectly harmless pictures of > the > >> > individuals have been doctored to be sexualized and cases where > existing > >> > pornographic pictures that were not the individual were selected and > >> > misattributed as being them. I have personally been involved in > >> complaints > >> > of this happening to both men and women. > >> > >> thank you for providing further insights. That is really concerning. > >> > >> At the same time, a great majority of users do not publish photos of > >> themselves, and don't publish their name (which would allow others to > >> find available photos elsewhere), so it is still a mystery to me how > >> this very high percentage can be explained. > >> > >> Tobias > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >> New messages to: [hidden email] > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Maggie Dennis > > Director, Support and Safety > > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: [hidden email] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: [hidden email] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> |
A similar situation happened to me:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vito&diff=685988175&oldid=685926527 or just a couple of days ago most of my uploads at Commons were deleted because a long-term abuser filled them with crappy "{{Copyviol|request file delegation abusive vandalisme copyright}}" tags. I've been subjected to various forms of online harassment for years but I feel safe enough since I wouldn't fear any of them in RL (nor I use socialnetworks). Still I must confess what can become frustrating is seeing sort of "tolerance" towards this kind of attack. IMnsHO anything clearly aimed at harassing other users should trigger a wide zero-tolerance reaction, regardless of any "credit" owned by the perpetrator. Vito Il 30/01/2016 16:18, Jane Darnell ha scritto: > I have been surprised again and again by a casual form of vandalism that > goes unchecked because it is possibly seen as humorous. Here is an example > of something I have corrected in passing (and can remember how to find in > order to link it here): > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Florence_Devouard&type=revision&diff=427057319&oldid=426139028 > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Sydney Poore <[hidden email]> > wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: [hidden email] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> |
I think you meant to link this one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vito&type=revision&diff=686068089&oldid=686006551 On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Vituzzu <[hidden email]> wrote: > A similar situation happened to me: > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vito&diff=685988175&oldid=685926527 > or just a couple of days ago most of my uploads at Commons were deleted > because a long-term abuser filled them with crappy "{{Copyviol|request file > delegation abusive vandalisme copyright}}" tags. > > I've been subjected to various forms of online harassment for years but I > feel safe enough since I wouldn't fear any of them in RL (nor I use > socialnetworks). > > Still I must confess what can become frustrating is seeing sort of > "tolerance" towards this kind of attack. IMnsHO anything clearly aimed at > harassing other users should trigger a wide zero-tolerance reaction, > regardless of any "credit" owned by the perpetrator. > > Vito > > Il 30/01/2016 16:18, Jane Darnell ha scritto: > >> I have been surprised again and again by a casual form of vandalism that >> goes unchecked because it is possibly seen as humorous. Here is an example >> of something I have corrected in passing (and can remember how to find in >> order to link it here): >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Florence_Devouard&type=revision&diff=427057319&oldid=426139028 >> >> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Sydney Poore <[hidden email]> >> wrote: >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> New messages to: [hidden email] >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: [hidden email] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> |
Il 30/01/2016 18:12, Jane Darnell ha scritto: > I think you meant to link this one? > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vito&type=revision&diff=686068089&oldid=686006551 Nope, I exactly meant the link I posted :D Mine wasn't a criticism of Bgwhite but I wanted to point out he dealt with it as that was a good-faith edit. As said I don't want to criticise him but this is, imvho, a sign of an overall lack of attention by us to potential harassment/libel/outing situations. Vito (meanwhile BDA, the troll above, is being "helped" by a good-faith user to reinstate his contents, but that's a different matter) _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> |
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In addition to Maggie's attempt to explain why the numbers might seem high, the reported percentages on slide #17 are not out of the total pool of respondents (~3800) but out of those who reported experiencing harassment (~1200). e.g. as there were 740 respondents reported "revenge porn", this brings the percentage down to 19% out of the general pool of respondents, and in the range of up to 25% in regard to other categories of harassment. That said, even with 18-25%, I think this is still rather on the high end of the spectrum. My alternative theory to explain this is around the used terminology in the survey. Terms like "revenge porn" or "doxing" are still comparatively new [1] [2] to casual internet users, not to mention to good faith Wikipedia contributors, and chances that some of the respondents confused them for something else (porn, or revenge .. etc) is not an unlikely scenario. [1] https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=revenge%20porn [2] https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=doxxing Hope this helps. *--* *Haitham Shammaa* *Senior Strategist* *Wikimedia Foundation* *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. **Click the "edit" button now, and help us make it a reality!* *--* *Haitham Shammaa* *Senior Strategist* *Wikimedia Foundation* *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. **Click the "edit" button now, and help us make it a reality!* On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 5:14 AM, Tobias <[hidden email]> wrote: > Thank you Patrick. > > The (preliminary) report is in my mind deeply disturbing, not merely by > how widespread harassment is, but also by what types of harassment > respondents cite. > > User page vandalism and flaming I would have expected, but around 35% of > respondents in our community* apparently were subject to Outing, Threats > of Violence, Impersonation and Hacking. > > Almost one third (!) of the respondents were themselves the subject of > revenge porn, defined by the survey as: "publishing of sexually explicit > or sexualised photos of without one's consent". > > > Wait, what? How could that possibly be...? > > Either a substantial number of respondents did not answer truthfully, or > they didn't understand the question, or I really have no clue what's > going on in this community. > > > Tobias > > * I multiplied the percentage of responses (~65%) with the number of > users who were asked this question because they reported they'd been > harassed or maybe harassed (54%). > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: [hidden email] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> |
Some of the things that users might consider "revenge porn" would include
porn that is sent to them via email (either images or text - both of which I've received), or images/comments posted to their userspace or to other places where it was intended to come to their attention (e.g., obviously inappropriate images posted to article talk pages). Links and "easter eggs" leading to similar content could also be considered "revenge porn". Context is often important. In particular, the Wikimedia projects host a vast quantity of images and media that are appropriate to a limited number of articles but would be inappropriate or even offensive in other presentations. Risker/Anne On 30 January 2016 at 13:37, Haitham Shammaa <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi Tobias, > > In addition to Maggie's attempt to explain why the numbers might seem high, > the reported percentages on slide #17 are not out of the total pool of > respondents (~3800) but out of those who reported experiencing harassment > (~1200). > > e.g. as there were 740 respondents reported "revenge porn", this brings the > percentage down to 19% out of the general pool of respondents, and in the > range of up to 25% in regard to other categories of harassment. > > That said, even with 18-25%, I think this is still rather on the high end > of the spectrum. My alternative theory to explain this is around the used > terminology in the survey. Terms like "revenge porn" or "doxing" are still > comparatively new [1] [2] to casual internet users, not to mention to good > faith Wikipedia contributors, and chances that some of the respondents > confused them for something else (porn, or revenge .. etc) is not an > unlikely scenario. > > [1] https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=revenge%20porn > [2] https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=doxxing > > Hope this helps. > > *--* > *Haitham Shammaa* > *Senior Strategist* > *Wikimedia Foundation* > > *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the > sum of all knowledge. **Click the "edit" button now, and help us make it a > reality!* > > *--* > *Haitham Shammaa* > *Senior Strategist* > *Wikimedia Foundation* > > *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the > sum of all knowledge. **Click the "edit" button now, and help us make it a > reality!* > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 5:14 AM, Tobias <[hidden email] > > > wrote: > > > Thank you Patrick. > > > > The (preliminary) report is in my mind deeply disturbing, not merely by > > how widespread harassment is, but also by what types of harassment > > respondents cite. > > > > User page vandalism and flaming I would have expected, but around 35% of > > respondents in our community* apparently were subject to Outing, Threats > > of Violence, Impersonation and Hacking. > > > > Almost one third (!) of the respondents were themselves the subject of > > revenge porn, defined by the survey as: "publishing of sexually explicit > > or sexualised photos of without one's consent". > > > > > > Wait, what? How could that possibly be...? > > > > Either a substantial number of respondents did not answer truthfully, or > > they didn't understand the question, or I really have no clue what's > > going on in this community. > > > > > > Tobias > > > > * I multiplied the percentage of responses (~65%) with the number of > > users who were asked this question because they reported they'd been > > harassed or maybe harassed (54%). > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: [hidden email] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: [hidden email] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [hidden email] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe> |
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