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Fæ
Plans for a Wikimedia LGBT+ conference and workshops in 2020 are
moving forward. We would very much like to learn and borrow successful
experiences from other conferences. This conference is expected to be
relatively modest in size, around 50 attendees, and is to be hosted in
Linz, Austria.

We are planning on opening up applications for scholarships very soon,
to allow several months for early booking of travel tickets and visa
applications where needed. Naturally this means we have to create a
process for assessing applications to a hopefully short and
non-subjective checklist (we are all volunteers after all!).

Can anyone recommend documented good practices for assessing
applications for travel grants and expenses for similar sized events?
Some issues we have discussed that need to be addressed before
finalizing our policies are:
* Creating a fair assessment process that balances the diversity of
attendees against other metrics like on-project experience, for
example ensuring that we have a healthy gender balance and a wide
geographic representation
* Whether it may be better to prefer the simplicity of assessing for
full scholarships, or whether partial payments are a good way of
ensuring wider access
* How to draw up rules for travel and partial scholarships for folks
planning on making this part of a holiday, as often happens for those
travelling long distances
* When to recommend that specific Wikimedia Affiliates should provide
grants and expenses, which may have additional requirements for
applications and reporting
* How to build in incentives for greener travel options, even where
this may not be the cheapest option

You can read the conference proposal at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Conference/Kawayashu/Queering_Wikipedia
and everyone is welcome to provide suggestions and feedback on the
discussion page there, if on-wiki editing works better for you than
email. :-)

Thanks
Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [LGBT] Best practices for awarding scholarships

Lane Rasberry
Hello,

I have wished that eventually when people apply for scholarships or even
when they attend wiki events they create profiles for themselves in
Wikidata so that we could generate visualizations of the demographics of
participants.

I do not think the wiki movement is quite ready for this, but if we
actually want to track and report demographics, doing so in Wikidata is
probably the way most natural for the wiki community.

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 9:27 AM Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Plans for a Wikimedia LGBT+ conference and workshops in 2020 are
> moving forward. We would very much like to learn and borrow successful
> experiences from other conferences. This conference is expected to be
> relatively modest in size, around 50 attendees, and is to be hosted in
> Linz, Austria.
>
> We are planning on opening up applications for scholarships very soon,
> to allow several months for early booking of travel tickets and visa
> applications where needed. Naturally this means we have to create a
> process for assessing applications to a hopefully short and
> non-subjective checklist (we are all volunteers after all!).
>
> Can anyone recommend documented good practices for assessing
> applications for travel grants and expenses for similar sized events?
> Some issues we have discussed that need to be addressed before
> finalizing our policies are:
> * Creating a fair assessment process that balances the diversity of
> attendees against other metrics like on-project experience, for
> example ensuring that we have a healthy gender balance and a wide
> geographic representation
> * Whether it may be better to prefer the simplicity of assessing for
> full scholarships, or whether partial payments are a good way of
> ensuring wider access
> * How to draw up rules for travel and partial scholarships for folks
> planning on making this part of a holiday, as often happens for those
> travelling long distances
> * When to recommend that specific Wikimedia Affiliates should provide
> grants and expenses, which may have additional requirements for
> applications and reporting
> * How to build in incentives for greener travel options, even where
> this may not be the cheapest option
>
> You can read the conference proposal at
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Conference/Kawayashu/Queering_Wikipedia
> and everyone is welcome to provide suggestions and feedback on the
> discussion page there, if on-wiki editing works better for you than
> email. :-)
>
> Thanks
> Fae
> --
> Wikimedia LGBT+ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_LGBT
> [hidden email] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
>
> _______________________________________________
> LGBT mailing list
> [hidden email]
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/lgbt
>
> Please treat emails sent to this list as confidential.
> Ask senders for permission before forwarding emails off-list.



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [LGBT] Best practices for awarding scholarships

Ferdinando Traversa
I don't think Wikidata was projected to do this :D Should we instead create
a WikiEventsHub with Wikibase installed?

Regards,
Ferdinando.

Il giorno lun 7 ott 2019 alle ore 22:39 Lane Rasberry <[hidden email]>
ha scritto:

> Hello,
>
> I have wished that eventually when people apply for scholarships or even
> when they attend wiki events they create profiles for themselves in
> Wikidata so that we could generate visualizations of the demographics of
> participants.
>
> I do not think the wiki movement is quite ready for this, but if we
> actually want to track and report demographics, doing so in Wikidata is
> probably the way most natural for the wiki community.
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 9:27 AM Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Plans for a Wikimedia LGBT+ conference and workshops in 2020 are
> > moving forward. We would very much like to learn and borrow successful
> > experiences from other conferences. This conference is expected to be
> > relatively modest in size, around 50 attendees, and is to be hosted in
> > Linz, Austria.
> >
> > We are planning on opening up applications for scholarships very soon,
> > to allow several months for early booking of travel tickets and visa
> > applications where needed. Naturally this means we have to create a
> > process for assessing applications to a hopefully short and
> > non-subjective checklist (we are all volunteers after all!).
> >
> > Can anyone recommend documented good practices for assessing
> > applications for travel grants and expenses for similar sized events?
> > Some issues we have discussed that need to be addressed before
> > finalizing our policies are:
> > * Creating a fair assessment process that balances the diversity of
> > attendees against other metrics like on-project experience, for
> > example ensuring that we have a healthy gender balance and a wide
> > geographic representation
> > * Whether it may be better to prefer the simplicity of assessing for
> > full scholarships, or whether partial payments are a good way of
> > ensuring wider access
> > * How to draw up rules for travel and partial scholarships for folks
> > planning on making this part of a holiday, as often happens for those
> > travelling long distances
> > * When to recommend that specific Wikimedia Affiliates should provide
> > grants and expenses, which may have additional requirements for
> > applications and reporting
> > * How to build in incentives for greener travel options, even where
> > this may not be the cheapest option
> >
> > You can read the conference proposal at
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Conference/Kawayashu/Queering_Wikipedia
> > and everyone is welcome to provide suggestions and feedback on the
> > discussion page there, if on-wiki editing works better for you than
> > email. :-)
> >
> > Thanks
> > Fae
> > --
> > Wikimedia LGBT+ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_LGBT
> > [hidden email] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > LGBT mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/lgbt
> >
> > Please treat emails sent to this list as confidential.
> > Ask senders for permission before forwarding emails off-list.
>
>
>
> --
> Lane Rasberry
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> 206.801.0814
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [LGBT] Best practices for awarding scholarships

Vi to
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Making their data publicly available? Yiiiiiiikes!

Vito

Il giorno lun 7 ott 2019 alle ore 22:39 Lane Rasberry <[hidden email]>
ha scritto:

> Hello,
>
> I have wished that eventually when people apply for scholarships or even
> when they attend wiki events they create profiles for themselves in
> Wikidata so that we could generate visualizations of the demographics of
> participants.
>
> I do not think the wiki movement is quite ready for this, but if we
> actually want to track and report demographics, doing so in Wikidata is
> probably the way most natural for the wiki community.
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 9:27 AM Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Plans for a Wikimedia LGBT+ conference and workshops in 2020 are
> > moving forward. We would very much like to learn and borrow successful
> > experiences from other conferences. This conference is expected to be
> > relatively modest in size, around 50 attendees, and is to be hosted in
> > Linz, Austria.
> >
> > We are planning on opening up applications for scholarships very soon,
> > to allow several months for early booking of travel tickets and visa
> > applications where needed. Naturally this means we have to create a
> > process for assessing applications to a hopefully short and
> > non-subjective checklist (we are all volunteers after all!).
> >
> > Can anyone recommend documented good practices for assessing
> > applications for travel grants and expenses for similar sized events?
> > Some issues we have discussed that need to be addressed before
> > finalizing our policies are:
> > * Creating a fair assessment process that balances the diversity of
> > attendees against other metrics like on-project experience, for
> > example ensuring that we have a healthy gender balance and a wide
> > geographic representation
> > * Whether it may be better to prefer the simplicity of assessing for
> > full scholarships, or whether partial payments are a good way of
> > ensuring wider access
> > * How to draw up rules for travel and partial scholarships for folks
> > planning on making this part of a holiday, as often happens for those
> > travelling long distances
> > * When to recommend that specific Wikimedia Affiliates should provide
> > grants and expenses, which may have additional requirements for
> > applications and reporting
> > * How to build in incentives for greener travel options, even where
> > this may not be the cheapest option
> >
> > You can read the conference proposal at
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Conference/Kawayashu/Queering_Wikipedia
> > and everyone is welcome to provide suggestions and feedback on the
> > discussion page there, if on-wiki editing works better for you than
> > email. :-)
> >
> > Thanks
> > Fae
> > --
> > Wikimedia LGBT+ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_LGBT
> > [hidden email] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > LGBT mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/lgbt
> >
> > Please treat emails sent to this list as confidential.
> > Ask senders for permission before forwarding emails off-list.
>
>
>
> --
> Lane Rasberry
> user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia
> 206.801.0814
> [hidden email]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [LGBT] Best practices for awarding scholarships

Risker
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I'm pretty shocked at this idea; in fact, if someone created a Wikidata
profile about me, I'd have it taken down under applicable legislation.
Making financial support contingent on adding one's name to a publicly
editable database does not seem to be particularly wise, nor for that
matter particularly equitable; dozens if not hundreds of Wikimedians who
have received sponsorships/scholarships to date live in places where
publicly linking oneself to Wikipedia or its sister projects could be
actively harmful to them.  There are very, very few reasons for requiring a
Wikimedian to publicly provide information about themselves in this way.

Getting back to the original question:  a lot of what would constitute best
practices depends on the purpose of the scholarship. Is it a local or
regional event? Is there a particular focus on the event (e.g., development
of technical skills such as a hackathon, leadership education, new editor
recruitment, a particular wikiproject such as Wikisource or Wikiquote,
etc.)?  Are there particular underrepresented groups that you want to
encourage?  All of these are worth considering, so that scholarships can be
targeted in a way that is most likely to achieve the goals of the event.

Also...consider whether you want to extend scholarships to people with a
"proven track record" primarily, or to those who are new or even not yet
part of the community.  If you're going for the "proven track record"
objective, consider what you'd count in favour of evidence of engagement:
local/regional/chapter/user group activities, on-wiki activities, holding
roles of responsibility either onwiki or offwiki, publishing research about
Wikimedia projects, years involved, etc.

Finally, decide what you want to ask the scholarship recipients to give you
in return.  Do you want them to commit to writing a report? commit to
sharing information with other groups/local editors/etc?

I'd encourage those offering scholarships to be forthright in identifying
the criteria that will be used to assess the applicants in advance, as much
as possible.  If this is a large event and you'll be making an open
invitation for scholarship applicants, it's important that you tell them
what kind of applicant you are looking for, what the scholarship includes
and excludes (e.g., travel, registration, accommodation, meals or per
diem), and what you expect in return for the scholarship.

Risker/Anne



On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 16:39, Lane Rasberry <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have wished that eventually when people apply for scholarships or even
> when they attend wiki events they create profiles for themselves in
> Wikidata so that we could generate visualizations of the demographics of
> participants.
>
> I do not think the wiki movement is quite ready for this, but if we
> actually want to track and report demographics, doing so in Wikidata is
> probably the way most natural for the wiki community.
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 9:27 AM Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Plans for a Wikimedia LGBT+ conference and workshops in 2020 are
> > moving forward. We would very much like to learn and borrow successful
> > experiences from other conferences. This conference is expected to be
> > relatively modest in size, around 50 attendees, and is to be hosted in
> > Linz, Austria.
> >
> > We are planning on opening up applications for scholarships very soon,
> > to allow several months for early booking of travel tickets and visa
> > applications where needed. Naturally this means we have to create a
> > process for assessing applications to a hopefully short and
> > non-subjective checklist (we are all volunteers after all!).
> >
> > Can anyone recommend documented good practices for assessing
> > applications for travel grants and expenses for similar sized events?
> > Some issues we have discussed that need to be addressed before
> > finalizing our policies are:
> > * Creating a fair assessment process that balances the diversity of
> > attendees against other metrics like on-project experience, for
> > example ensuring that we have a healthy gender balance and a wide
> > geographic representation
> > * Whether it may be better to prefer the simplicity of assessing for
> > full scholarships, or whether partial payments are a good way of
> > ensuring wider access
> > * How to draw up rules for travel and partial scholarships for folks
> > planning on making this part of a holiday, as often happens for those
> > travelling long distances
> > * When to recommend that specific Wikimedia Affiliates should provide
> > grants and expenses, which may have additional requirements for
> > applications and reporting
> > * How to build in incentives for greener travel options, even where
> > this may not be the cheapest option
> >
> > You can read the conference proposal at
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Conference/Kawayashu/Queering_Wikipedia
> > and everyone is welcome to provide suggestions and feedback on the
> > discussion page there, if on-wiki editing works better for you than
> > email. :-)
> >
> > Thanks
> > Fae
> > --
> > Wikimedia LGBT+ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_LGBT
> > [hidden email] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > LGBT mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/lgbt
> >
> > Please treat emails sent to this list as confidential.
> > Ask senders for permission before forwarding emails off-list.
>
>
>
> --
> Lane Rasberry
> user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia
> 206.801.0814
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [LGBT] Best practices for awarding scholarships

Jan Ainali-3
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Besides any other aspects, most scholarship recipients are probably not
notable. When I suggested to create items for all of the Wikimania sessions
I perceived it as concensus (in the Wikidata telegram group) that they were
not notable. So unless they already are notable (and already should have an
item) getting the scholarship will not make them notable.

/Jan Ainali
(skickat på språng så ursäkta min fåordighet)

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 22:39 Lane Rasberry <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have wished that eventually when people apply for scholarships or even
> when they attend wiki events they create profiles for themselves in
> Wikidata so that we could generate visualizations of the demographics of
> participants.
>
> I do not think the wiki movement is quite ready for this, but if we
> actually want to track and report demographics, doing so in Wikidata is
> probably the way most natural for the wiki community.
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 9:27 AM Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Plans for a Wikimedia LGBT+ conference and workshops in 2020 are
> > moving forward. We would very much like to learn and borrow successful
> > experiences from other conferences. This conference is expected to be
> > relatively modest in size, around 50 attendees, and is to be hosted in
> > Linz, Austria.
> >
> > We are planning on opening up applications for scholarships very soon,
> > to allow several months for early booking of travel tickets and visa
> > applications where needed. Naturally this means we have to create a
> > process for assessing applications to a hopefully short and
> > non-subjective checklist (we are all volunteers after all!).
> >
> > Can anyone recommend documented good practices for assessing
> > applications for travel grants and expenses for similar sized events?
> > Some issues we have discussed that need to be addressed before
> > finalizing our policies are:
> > * Creating a fair assessment process that balances the diversity of
> > attendees against other metrics like on-project experience, for
> > example ensuring that we have a healthy gender balance and a wide
> > geographic representation
> > * Whether it may be better to prefer the simplicity of assessing for
> > full scholarships, or whether partial payments are a good way of
> > ensuring wider access
> > * How to draw up rules for travel and partial scholarships for folks
> > planning on making this part of a holiday, as often happens for those
> > travelling long distances
> > * When to recommend that specific Wikimedia Affiliates should provide
> > grants and expenses, which may have additional requirements for
> > applications and reporting
> > * How to build in incentives for greener travel options, even where
> > this may not be the cheapest option
> >
> > You can read the conference proposal at
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Conference/Kawayashu/Queering_Wikipedia
> > and everyone is welcome to provide suggestions and feedback on the
> > discussion page there, if on-wiki editing works better for you than
> > email. :-)
> >
> > Thanks
> > Fae
> > --
> > Wikimedia LGBT+ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_LGBT
> > [hidden email] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > LGBT mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/lgbt
> >
> > Please treat emails sent to this list as confidential.
> > Ask senders for permission before forwarding emails off-list.
>
>
>
> --
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> 206.801.0814
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [LGBT] Best practices for awarding scholarships

Gerard Meijssen-3
Hoi,
For any and all other conventions those giving a presentation are notable
per the completeness of informing and linking to the presentations. Quite
often people have presented before and only when these presentations are
linked through their presenter it is possible to make the connection.
Thanks,
     GerardM

On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 at 00:05, Jan Ainali <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Besides any other aspects, most scholarship recipients are probably not
> notable. When I suggested to create items for all of the Wikimania sessions
> I perceived it as concensus (in the Wikidata telegram group) that they were
> not notable. So unless they already are notable (and already should have an
> item) getting the scholarship will not make them notable.
>
> /Jan Ainali
> (skickat på språng så ursäkta min fåordighet)
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 22:39 Lane Rasberry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have wished that eventually when people apply for scholarships or even
> > when they attend wiki events they create profiles for themselves in
> > Wikidata so that we could generate visualizations of the demographics of
> > participants.
> >
> > I do not think the wiki movement is quite ready for this, but if we
> > actually want to track and report demographics, doing so in Wikidata is
> > probably the way most natural for the wiki community.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 9:27 AM Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > Plans for a Wikimedia LGBT+ conference and workshops in 2020 are
> > > moving forward. We would very much like to learn and borrow successful
> > > experiences from other conferences. This conference is expected to be
> > > relatively modest in size, around 50 attendees, and is to be hosted in
> > > Linz, Austria.
> > >
> > > We are planning on opening up applications for scholarships very soon,
> > > to allow several months for early booking of travel tickets and visa
> > > applications where needed. Naturally this means we have to create a
> > > process for assessing applications to a hopefully short and
> > > non-subjective checklist (we are all volunteers after all!).
> > >
> > > Can anyone recommend documented good practices for assessing
> > > applications for travel grants and expenses for similar sized events?
> > > Some issues we have discussed that need to be addressed before
> > > finalizing our policies are:
> > > * Creating a fair assessment process that balances the diversity of
> > > attendees against other metrics like on-project experience, for
> > > example ensuring that we have a healthy gender balance and a wide
> > > geographic representation
> > > * Whether it may be better to prefer the simplicity of assessing for
> > > full scholarships, or whether partial payments are a good way of
> > > ensuring wider access
> > > * How to draw up rules for travel and partial scholarships for folks
> > > planning on making this part of a holiday, as often happens for those
> > > travelling long distances
> > > * When to recommend that specific Wikimedia Affiliates should provide
> > > grants and expenses, which may have additional requirements for
> > > applications and reporting
> > > * How to build in incentives for greener travel options, even where
> > > this may not be the cheapest option
> > >
> > > You can read the conference proposal at
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Conference/Kawayashu/Queering_Wikipedia
> > > and everyone is welcome to provide suggestions and feedback on the
> > > discussion page there, if on-wiki editing works better for you than
> > > email. :-)
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Fae
> > > --
> > > Wikimedia LGBT+ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_LGBT
> > > [hidden email] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > LGBT mailing list
> > > [hidden email]
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/lgbt
> > >
> > > Please treat emails sent to this list as confidential.
> > > Ask senders for permission before forwarding emails off-list.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lane Rasberry
> > user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia
> > 206.801.0814
> > [hidden email]
> > _______________________________________________
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [LGBT] Best practices for awarding scholarships

Fæ
In reply to this post by Lane Rasberry
The Wikidata profiles is a bit of a tangent, here's another nudge that
the thread is really about best practices for managing scholarships
for volunteers.

Now indulging the tangent myself :-), care will be taken for all
attendees for this planned LGBT+ conference to feel safe and welcome
by participating. Though some participants may have public profiles
and be published, most will not, and it's likely that even some with
profiles will prefer to take part without it being an issue. The
conference will be transparently governed and the outcomes will be
public and of public benefit, but there are jolly good reasons not to
have participants feeling that they are being live streamed and any
video frame might be used out of context in trollish commentary about
them or to out them.

We regularly, and have recently seen, minority groups targeted with
harassment, threats, abuse and other unwelcoming hounding just for
being visible participants on related Wikipedia topics. It's the
reality of our public space and there is no easy fix for it, but we
can be honest about it, and do more to act on it in a timely way.

Thanks,
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On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 at 09:53, Matej Grochal <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Dear all
>
> interesting idea with Wikidata. However, especially in the LGBT+
> community there might be a disharmony in what is online and what is
> offline. Would we require people to out themselves? What about
> countries where it is safer to assume an identity?
>
> Matej

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [LGBT] Best practices for awarding scholarships

Henry Wood
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Risker

> I'm pretty shocked at this idea; in fact, if someone created a Wikidata
> profile about me, I'd have it taken down under applicable legislation.

... and yet you are an energetic volunteer for projects that assert
the right to do that to other people?

Henry

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [LGBT] Best practices for awarding scholarships

Risker
I've never created a Wikidata profile about anyone, not even someone who is
widely known.  I've never created or edited a biographical article about
someone who isn't really obviously notable, and who has a broad and widely
known profile as verified in multiple non-Wikimedia (or
Wikipedia/Wikimedia-related) sources.

No, I would never create an article about a Wikimedian - or a Wikidata
profile either - unless they are clearly and obviously notable outside of
our little microcosm.  Frankly, with very few exceptions, almost nobody
whose "notability" is primarily related to this movement is actually
notable in the strictest reading of the policies of most of our Wikipedia
projects.  As far as I'm concerned, most of the Wikipedia/Wikimedia/other
project-related articles on most of our projects are a prime example of
navel-gazing rather than actual notability.

Further, I think it's terrible use of Wikidata to use it to store what are
essentially the personnel records of Wikimedia volunteers.

Risker/Anne



On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 09:52, Henry Wood <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Risker
>
> > I'm pretty shocked at this idea; in fact, if someone created a Wikidata
> > profile about me, I'd have it taken down under applicable legislation.
>
> ... and yet you are an energetic volunteer for projects that assert
> the right to do that to other people?
>
> Henry
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [LGBT] Best practices for awarding scholarships

Isaac Olatunde
I completely agree with Risker here. In the recent time, most (if not all)
Wikipedian of the year award recipients now have a Wikipedia article.

One would wonder if Wikipedia of the year award confers notability.

This is not to disrespect our WOTY but I do honestly feel that users who
are not notable apart from receiving the award does not merit a Wikipedia
article.

Regards,

Isaac

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019, 4:10 PM Risker <[hidden email] wrote:

> I've never created a Wikidata profile about anyone, not even someone who is
> widely known.  I've never created or edited a biographical article about
> someone who isn't really obviously notable, and who has a broad and widely
> known profile as verified in multiple non-Wikimedia (or
> Wikipedia/Wikimedia-related) sources.
>
> No, I would never create an article about a Wikimedian - or a Wikidata
> profile either - unless they are clearly and obviously notable outside of
> our little microcosm.  Frankly, with very few exceptions, almost nobody
> whose "notability" is primarily related to this movement is actually
> notable in the strictest reading of the policies of most of our Wikipedia
> projects.  As far as I'm concerned, most of the Wikipedia/Wikimedia/other
> project-related articles on most of our projects are a prime example of
> navel-gazing rather than actual notability.
>
> Further, I think it's terrible use of Wikidata to use it to store what are
> essentially the personnel records of Wikimedia volunteers.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
>
>
> On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 09:52, Henry Wood <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Risker
> >
> > > I'm pretty shocked at this idea; in fact, if someone created a Wikidata
> > > profile about me, I'd have it taken down under applicable legislation.
> >
> > ... and yet you are an energetic volunteer for projects that assert
> > the right to do that to other people?
> >
> > Henry
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [LGBT] Best practices for awarding scholarships

Henry Wood
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Risker

> I've never created a Wikidata profile about anyone, not even someone who is
> widely known.

I did not say you had.  I said that the common view on the projects
you support is that the consent of the person written about is not
necessary and that volunteers have a right to create that material.
Indeed, I would go further, and say that it is not unknown for
subjects who object to personal information being published to be
treated with scorn, contempt and ridicule.  Do you accept that, and if
so, do you condone it?

> No, I would never create an article about a Wikimedian - or a Wikidata
> profile either - unless they are clearly and obviously notable outside of
> our little microcosm.

Is the subject being a Wikimedian relevant to whether or not material
should be published?

> Further, I think it's terrible use of Wikidata to use it to store what are
> essentially the personnel records of Wikimedia volunteers.

Indeed, in some jurisdictions it is likely to be unlawful.

Henry

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [LGBT] Best practices for awarding scholarships

Pete Forsyth-2
In reply to this post by Isaac Olatunde
Back to the original question (which is an interesting and worthwhile one,
surely applicable to many events across the movement), I would hope that
the WMF has some ability to provide guidance on these matters, or failing
that, the committees who have put together other conferences (e.g.,
WikiCite, WikiConference, etc. etc.) The WMF used to do some detailed work
on this, though my information is now nearly a decade out of date, I'm
pretty confident they still do. I'd suggest reaching out to the grants
folks at WMF and asking if they can pull something together.

Pete
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On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 8:20 AM Isaac Olatunde <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> I completely agree with Risker here. In the recent time, most (if not all)
> Wikipedian of the year award recipients now have a Wikipedia article.
>
> One would wonder if Wikipedia of the year award confers notability.
>
> This is not to disrespect our WOTY but I do honestly feel that users who
> are not notable apart from receiving the award does not merit a Wikipedia
> article.
>
> Regards,
>
> Isaac
>
> On Wed, Oct 9, 2019, 4:10 PM Risker <[hidden email] wrote:
>
> > I've never created a Wikidata profile about anyone, not even someone who
> is
> > widely known.  I've never created or edited a biographical article about
> > someone who isn't really obviously notable, and who has a broad and
> widely
> > known profile as verified in multiple non-Wikimedia (or
> > Wikipedia/Wikimedia-related) sources.
> >
> > No, I would never create an article about a Wikimedian - or a Wikidata
> > profile either - unless they are clearly and obviously notable outside of
> > our little microcosm.  Frankly, with very few exceptions, almost nobody
> > whose "notability" is primarily related to this movement is actually
> > notable in the strictest reading of the policies of most of our Wikipedia
> > projects.  As far as I'm concerned, most of the Wikipedia/Wikimedia/other
> > project-related articles on most of our projects are a prime example of
> > navel-gazing rather than actual notability.
> >
> > Further, I think it's terrible use of Wikidata to use it to store what
> are
> > essentially the personnel records of Wikimedia volunteers.
> >
> > Risker/Anne
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 09:52, Henry Wood <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Risker
> > >
> > > > I'm pretty shocked at this idea; in fact, if someone created a
> Wikidata
> > > > profile about me, I'd have it taken down under applicable
> legislation.
> > >
> > > ... and yet you are an energetic volunteer for projects that assert
> > > the right to do that to other people?
> > >
> > > Henry
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [LGBT] Best practices for awarding scholarships

Jasper Deng-2
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Hello all,

Speaking as an admin of Wikidata, someone having an item on the project
should never be a criterion for a scholarship. That would not be fair to
those who weren't lucky enough to get an item (I would probably delete any
item made on any of you (in this thread) unless you meet one of our
notability guidelines -- which are less strict than Wikipedia but still
essentially must pass CSDA7). Not everyone is comfortable having their
information on an item, and in most cases no one will be able to verify
that information even if the person consents, since it most likely won't
have reliable sourcing.

Wikidata is emphatically not a LinkedIn or Facebook for us. It's a
knowledgebase for the whole world.

I also think all the ethics about posting someone's private information on
Wikidata is kind of off-topic in this thread. It shouldn't be a basis of
anyone's application anywhere. It's fundamentally not fair. Metrics for
conferences should be fair while furthering the conference's objectives.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 4:48 AM Henry Wood <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Risker
>
> > I've never created a Wikidata profile about anyone, not even someone who
> is
> > widely known.
>
> I did not say you had.  I said that the common view on the projects
> you support is that the consent of the person written about is not
> necessary and that volunteers have a right to create that material.
> Indeed, I would go further, and say that it is not unknown for
> subjects who object to personal information being published to be
> treated with scorn, contempt and ridicule.  Do you accept that, and if
> so, do you condone it?
>
> > No, I would never create an article about a Wikimedian - or a Wikidata
> > profile either - unless they are clearly and obviously notable outside of
> > our little microcosm.
>
> Is the subject being a Wikimedian relevant to whether or not material
> should be published?
>
> > Further, I think it's terrible use of Wikidata to use it to store what
> are
> > essentially the personnel records of Wikimedia volunteers.
>
> Indeed, in some jurisdictions it is likely to be unlawful.
>
> Henry
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Andy Mabbett-2
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On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 18:33, Henry Wood <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Is the subject being a Wikimedian relevant to whether or not material
> should be published?

In practice items about Wikimedians are /more/ likely to be deleted
than equivalent items about non-Wikimedians.

I know of cases (mostly now reversed, thankfully) where items about
the authors of academic papers - and so clearly meeting Wikidata's
notability criteria - were deleted *because* the author was also a
Wikimedian.

In one case, an item was deleted by the subject Wikimedian himself,
with no prior discussion. Despite this glaring conflict of interest,
it has never been restored.

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