[Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

classic Classic list List threaded Threaded
14 messages Options
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

[Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

Pine W
Hello colleagues,

I would like to ask for your advice about one issue with the "What's making
you happy this week?" emails.

I was hoping that people would frequently comment in the email threads
and/or on the talk pages of WMYHTW publications in *The Signpost* to share
what is making them happy, in the Wikiverse or elsewhere. However, comments
are somewhat rare.

I am concerned that some people may feel too intimidated to comment.

I understand that communicating in public requires courage, but I believe
that people who try to be respectful will have their comments received well
by the community if they comment in these threads. Perfection is not a
requirement for WMYHTW.

Also, I think that public communication becomes easier with practice, and
these threads would be good places for people who want to become more
experienced with public communication on Wikimedia-l to practice.

Is there something else that you think could be done to facilitate
participation in WMYHTW? I would appreciate your advice and input.

Thank you,

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: [hidden email]
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

Diane Ranville
Hi Pine,

Personally, the reason I don't answer to WMYHTW? is that - to be honest - I
actually find it too long and visually unappealing (too many links, looks
very technical) so I read the first few lines, then I skip and go to the
next email. I really like the idea though, and when I have time, I click a
few links, but indeed it doesn't prompts me to answer because, well... it
looks more like a newsletter than an actual call for conversation.

Maybe this would have more success with a shorter format, maybe including
images directly inside text. You could also try cross-posting it to
Wikimedia Space, where engagement is less intimidating because it looks
more like social media (you can "like", comment, etc). It makes me think
about this post
<https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/what-was-your-first-commons-contribution/2021>,
which triggered quite a few answers.

Hope this helps!
Best,
Diane


On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:36 AM Pine W <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello colleagues,
>
> I would like to ask for your advice about one issue with the "What's making
> you happy this week?" emails.
>
> I was hoping that people would frequently comment in the email threads
> and/or on the talk pages of WMYHTW publications in *The Signpost* to share
> what is making them happy, in the Wikiverse or elsewhere. However, comments
> are somewhat rare.
>
> I am concerned that some people may feel too intimidated to comment.
>
> I understand that communicating in public requires courage, but I believe
> that people who try to be respectful will have their comments received well
> by the community if they comment in these threads. Perfection is not a
> requirement for WMYHTW.
>
> Also, I think that public communication becomes easier with practice, and
> these threads would be good places for people who want to become more
> experienced with public communication on Wikimedia-l to practice.
>
> Is there something else that you think could be done to facilitate
> participation in WMYHTW? I would appreciate your advice and input.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
> New messages to: [hidden email]
> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
> <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: [hidden email]
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

Gerard Meijssen-3
In reply to this post by Pine W
Hoi Pine,

What makes me happy is that scientists are now adding information for their
young academy. There are many young scientists organised nationally and
internationally and typically they are a member for a set number of years.
What makes me really happy is that these orgs are now getting involved; the
coverage improves, they are increasincly registered at ORCiD with
open/public information.

When scientists take a shine to their Scholia, including their co-authors,
papers, doctoral advisor we gain a better understanding about contemporary
science. These young academies cover any subject and it prevents a bias in
our coverage of science. [1]
Thanks,
      GerardM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GlobalYoungAcademyTeam


On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 09:36, Pine W <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello colleagues,
>
> I would like to ask for your advice about one issue with the "What's making
> you happy this week?" emails.
>
> I was hoping that people would frequently comment in the email threads
> and/or on the talk pages of WMYHTW publications in *The Signpost* to share
> what is making them happy, in the Wikiverse or elsewhere. However, comments
> are somewhat rare.
>
> I am concerned that some people may feel too intimidated to comment.
>
> I understand that communicating in public requires courage, but I believe
> that people who try to be respectful will have their comments received well
> by the community if they comment in these threads. Perfection is not a
> requirement for WMYHTW.
>
> Also, I think that public communication becomes easier with practice, and
> these threads would be good places for people who want to become more
> experienced with public communication on Wikimedia-l to practice.
>
> Is there something else that you think could be done to facilitate
> participation in WMYHTW? I would appreciate your advice and input.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
> New messages to: [hidden email]
> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
> <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: [hidden email]
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

Amir E. Aharoni
In reply to this post by Diane Ranville
I have similar thoughts.

I find the "What makes you happy" emails generally nice and useful and
occasionally I reply. But the opening emails are often too long, and have
too many sections and links, which make it hard to read.

The title "What makes you happy" implies something that is unique for every
week, so it should have fewer repetitive sections.

--
Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
http://aharoni.wordpress.com
‪“We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬


‫בתאריך יום ב׳, 25 בנוב׳ 2019 ב-10:33 מאת ‪Diane Ranville‬‏ <‪
[hidden email]‬‏>:‬

> Hi Pine,
>
> Personally, the reason I don't answer to WMYHTW? is that - to be honest - I
> actually find it too long and visually unappealing (too many links, looks
> very technical) so I read the first few lines, then I skip and go to the
> next email. I really like the idea though, and when I have time, I click a
> few links, but indeed it doesn't prompts me to answer because, well... it
> looks more like a newsletter than an actual call for conversation.
>
> Maybe this would have more success with a shorter format, maybe including
> images directly inside text. You could also try cross-posting it to
> Wikimedia Space, where engagement is less intimidating because it looks
> more like social media (you can "like", comment, etc). It makes me think
> about this post
> <
> https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/what-was-your-first-commons-contribution/2021
> >,
> which triggered quite a few answers.
>
> Hope this helps!
> Best,
> Diane
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:36 AM Pine W <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hello colleagues,
> >
> > I would like to ask for your advice about one issue with the "What's
> making
> > you happy this week?" emails.
> >
> > I was hoping that people would frequently comment in the email threads
> > and/or on the talk pages of WMYHTW publications in *The Signpost* to
> share
> > what is making them happy, in the Wikiverse or elsewhere. However,
> comments
> > are somewhat rare.
> >
> > I am concerned that some people may feel too intimidated to comment.
> >
> > I understand that communicating in public requires courage, but I believe
> > that people who try to be respectful will have their comments received
> well
> > by the community if they comment in these threads. Perfection is not a
> > requirement for WMYHTW.
> >
> > Also, I think that public communication becomes easier with practice, and
> > these threads would be good places for people who want to become more
> > experienced with public communication on Wikimedia-l to practice.
> >
> > Is there something else that you think could be done to facilitate
> > participation in WMYHTW? I would appreciate your advice and input.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Pine
> > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
> > New messages to: [hidden email]
> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
> > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
> New messages to: [hidden email]
> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
> <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: [hidden email]
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

Yaroslav Blanter
I posted once a reply which was reasonably concise and had just one point -
and it generated very little response. My conclusion was that people here
are mainly not interested in what is going on on the projects contentwise.
I will not do it again.

Yaroslav

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 11:16 AM Amir E. Aharoni <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> I have similar thoughts.
>
> I find the "What makes you happy" emails generally nice and useful and
> occasionally I reply. But the opening emails are often too long, and have
> too many sections and links, which make it hard to read.
>
> The title "What makes you happy" implies something that is unique for every
> week, so it should have fewer repetitive sections.
>
> --
> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
> ‪“We're living in pieces,
> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
>
>
> ‫בתאריך יום ב׳, 25 בנוב׳ 2019 ב-10:33 מאת ‪Diane Ranville‬‏ <‪
> [hidden email]‬‏>:‬
>
> > Hi Pine,
> >
> > Personally, the reason I don't answer to WMYHTW? is that - to be honest
> - I
> > actually find it too long and visually unappealing (too many links, looks
> > very technical) so I read the first few lines, then I skip and go to the
> > next email. I really like the idea though, and when I have time, I click
> a
> > few links, but indeed it doesn't prompts me to answer because, well... it
> > looks more like a newsletter than an actual call for conversation.
> >
> > Maybe this would have more success with a shorter format, maybe including
> > images directly inside text. You could also try cross-posting it to
> > Wikimedia Space, where engagement is less intimidating because it looks
> > more like social media (you can "like", comment, etc). It makes me think
> > about this post
> > <
> >
> https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/what-was-your-first-commons-contribution/2021
> > >,
> > which triggered quite a few answers.
> >
> > Hope this helps!
> > Best,
> > Diane
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:36 AM Pine W <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello colleagues,
> > >
> > > I would like to ask for your advice about one issue with the "What's
> > making
> > > you happy this week?" emails.
> > >
> > > I was hoping that people would frequently comment in the email threads
> > > and/or on the talk pages of WMYHTW publications in *The Signpost* to
> > share
> > > what is making them happy, in the Wikiverse or elsewhere. However,
> > comments
> > > are somewhat rare.
> > >
> > > I am concerned that some people may feel too intimidated to comment.
> > >
> > > I understand that communicating in public requires courage, but I
> believe
> > > that people who try to be respectful will have their comments received
> > well
> > > by the community if they comment in these threads. Perfection is not a
> > > requirement for WMYHTW.
> > >
> > > Also, I think that public communication becomes easier with practice,
> and
> > > these threads would be good places for people who want to become more
> > > experienced with public communication on Wikimedia-l to practice.
> > >
> > > Is there something else that you think could be done to facilitate
> > > participation in WMYHTW? I would appreciate your advice and input.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Pine
> > > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
> > > New messages to: [hidden email]
> > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
> > > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
> > New messages to: [hidden email]
> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
> > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
> New messages to: [hidden email]
> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
> <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: [hidden email]
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

Ariel Glenn WMF
In reply to this post by Pine W
I was thinking earlier about replying to this email. Since other folks have
chimed in along similar lines, here's my version of 'make it shorter'.

I don't really need or want a full review of all the good stuff in the past
week, or even all the good stuff that you in particular noticed. Rather,
just one cool item would be great, along with why it made you smile or
chortle or go 'Wow!'. That gives folks something short to look at and
hopefully also smile about, and it leaves room in the conversation for
others to contribute similar short pieces.

Example: for the Tech Conference, you could have said something like,
"While you can find all the summaries of activities and discussions here
[link], I really liked X [link'.  Or even 'it was hard to choose just one
thing because there was so much awesome discussion at the conference, but
this really caught my eye [link].'  And then an explanation of why that
thing was interesting, cool, fun, really grabbed you.

Hope this helps!

Ariel

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 10:36 AM Pine W <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello colleagues,
>
> I would like to ask for your advice about one issue with the "What's making
> you happy this week?" emails.
>
> I was hoping that people would frequently comment in the email threads
> and/or on the talk pages of WMYHTW publications in *The Signpost* to share
> what is making them happy, in the Wikiverse or elsewhere. However, comments
> are somewhat rare.
>
> I am concerned that some people may feel too intimidated to comment.
>
> I understand that communicating in public requires courage, but I believe
> that people who try to be respectful will have their comments received well
> by the community if they comment in these threads. Perfection is not a
> requirement for WMYHTW.
>
> Also, I think that public communication becomes easier with practice, and
> these threads would be good places for people who want to become more
> experienced with public communication on Wikimedia-l to practice.
>
> Is there something else that you think could be done to facilitate
> participation in WMYHTW? I would appreciate your advice and input.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
> New messages to: [hidden email]
> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
> <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: [hidden email]
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

Peter Southwood
In reply to this post by Pine W
Hi Pine,
I look at it like I look at the Signpost. I find much of it interesting, and usually read it through from end to end. I click on links when they look interesting and I have the time. I am happy to see it exists, but in most cases I do not feel the need to add any comments, because it is cool in itself and usually does not appear to need comment. It is nice to know I can comment, but I generally don’t comment just for the sake of making a noise, but to make some point or find something out that was not clear. Things that make people happy are often uncontroversial and need no clarification, and there is already enough congratulatory noise on this list regarding user groups and new appointments etc
Cheers,
Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Pine W
Sent: 25 November 2019 10:08
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

Hello colleagues,

I would like to ask for your advice about one issue with the "What's making
you happy this week?" emails.

I was hoping that people would frequently comment in the email threads
and/or on the talk pages of WMYHTW publications in *The Signpost* to share
what is making them happy, in the Wikiverse or elsewhere. However, comments
are somewhat rare.

I am concerned that some people may feel too intimidated to comment.

I understand that communicating in public requires courage, but I believe
that people who try to be respectful will have their comments received well
by the community if they comment in these threads. Perfection is not a
requirement for WMYHTW.

Also, I think that public communication becomes easier with practice, and
these threads would be good places for people who want to become more
experienced with public communication on Wikimedia-l to practice.

Is there something else that you think could be done to facilitate
participation in WMYHTW? I would appreciate your advice and input.

Thank you,

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: [hidden email]
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>

--
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
https://www.avg.com


_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: [hidden email]
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

Cornelius Kibelka
In reply to this post by Pine W
Hi,

to be honest, the question doesn't appeal to me. Around Wikimedia, I'm
interested in things that *interest me* and help me in my work, but
*happiness* doesn't work for me as a term, it's a too American for me ;)

Cheers
Cornelius

On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 09:36, Pine W <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello colleagues,
>
> I would like to ask for your advice about one issue with the "What's making
> you happy this week?" emails.
>
> I was hoping that people would frequently comment in the email threads
> and/or on the talk pages of WMYHTW publications in *The Signpost* to share
> what is making them happy, in the Wikiverse or elsewhere. However, comments
> are somewhat rare.
>
> I am concerned that some people may feel too intimidated to comment.
>
> I understand that communicating in public requires courage, but I believe
> that people who try to be respectful will have their comments received well
> by the community if they comment in these threads. Perfection is not a
> requirement for WMYHTW.
>
> Also, I think that public communication becomes easier with practice, and
> these threads would be good places for people who want to become more
> experienced with public communication on Wikimedia-l to practice.
>
> Is there something else that you think could be done to facilitate
> participation in WMYHTW? I would appreciate your advice and input.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
> New messages to: [hidden email]
> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
> <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>



--
Cornelius Kibelka
Internationale Beziehungen | International Relations
Vorstandsteam | Office of the ED

Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin
Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
http://wikimedia.de

Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen
Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei!
http://spenden.wikimedia.de/

Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter
der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für
Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207
_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: [hidden email]
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

Amir Sarabadani-2
Seconding Cornelius here, I almost reached to the point a making a
dedicated filter to archive these emails because that they contain long
emails that are full of great things but doesn't interest me or make me
happy (there are ways to make me happy, for example technical improvements
or LGBT+-related stuff which I barely see in these emails thus these emails
sometimes make me slightly sad that these emails don't contain things I
like, making me feel outcast or too nerd)

I assume everyone has different interests that make them happy which might
be under or overrepresented due to the sender's unconcious bias and
perspective. I don't know sending such emails of limited number of good
news cherry-picked by mostly one person all the time to hundreds of
wikimedians across the globe with very wide range of interests would be a
good idea.

My 2c

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 14:39 Cornelius Kibelka <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> to be honest, the question doesn't appeal to me. Around Wikimedia, I'm
> interested in things that *interest me* and help me in my work, but
> *happiness* doesn't work for me as a term, it's a too American for me ;)
>
> Cheers
> Cornelius
>
> On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 09:36, Pine W <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hello colleagues,
> >
> > I would like to ask for your advice about one issue with the "What's
> making
> > you happy this week?" emails.
> >
> > I was hoping that people would frequently comment in the email threads
> > and/or on the talk pages of WMYHTW publications in *The Signpost* to
> share
> > what is making them happy, in the Wikiverse or elsewhere. However,
> comments
> > are somewhat rare.
> >
> > I am concerned that some people may feel too intimidated to comment.
> >
> > I understand that communicating in public requires courage, but I believe
> > that people who try to be respectful will have their comments received
> well
> > by the community if they comment in these threads. Perfection is not a
> > requirement for WMYHTW.
> >
> > Also, I think that public communication becomes easier with practice, and
> > these threads would be good places for people who want to become more
> > experienced with public communication on Wikimedia-l to practice.
> >
> > Is there something else that you think could be done to facilitate
> > participation in WMYHTW? I would appreciate your advice and input.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Pine
> > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
> > New messages to: [hidden email]
> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
> > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
>
>
>
> --
> Cornelius Kibelka
> Internationale Beziehungen | International Relations
> Vorstandsteam | Office of the ED
>
> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin
> Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
> http://wikimedia.de
>
> Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen
> Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei!
> http://spenden.wikimedia.de/
>
> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter
> der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für
> Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
> New messages to: [hidden email]
> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
> <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: [hidden email]
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

Henry Wood
>I don't know sending such emails of limited number of good
> news cherry-picked by mostly one person all the time to hundreds of
> wikimedians across the globe with very wide range of interests would be a
> good idea.

Leading inevitably to the question -- what postings to this list would
be good ideas?

Henry

_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: [hidden email]
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

Amir Sarabadani-2
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 23:16 Henry Wood <[hidden email]> wrote:

> >I don't know sending such emails of limited number of good
> > news cherry-picked by mostly one person all the time to hundreds of
> > wikimedians across the globe with very wide range of interests would be a
> > good idea.
>
> Leading inevitably to the question -- what postings to this list would
> be good ideas?
>

Well, I get lots of unrelated emails from wikimedia-l and don't mind them
while I don't like receiving uninteresting emails on regular basis from the
same person again and again. Even worse, emails that pretend to be
interesting to me (I would feel happier if I hear a good news, as a human
being) but they end up being completely uninteresting (because I just have
different interests).

Hope that answers your question.

> Henry
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
> New messages to: [hidden email]
> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
> <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: [hidden email]
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

Pine W
Hello,

Thanks to everyone for the feedback.

One point of some agreement among commenters is that they would prefer
WMYHTW emails to be shorter. Those would be faster for me to write, but
some problems with having a shorter list of subjects each week are that it
could more easily lead to criticism about the content being
unrepresentative of Wikiverse activities and too reflective of one person's
preferences.

I had hoped that having a variety of people participate in these threads
would add diversity to the content, but participation from others has been
rare.

I will need more time to process this feedback and think about what to do.
I don't think that any one option will satisfy everyone. One possibility is
that I will stop sending these emails to Wikimedia-l, but will continue to
write the version that appears in *The Signpost*. Another possibility is
that I could write the shorter version for a few weeks and see what people
think about it, but I worry about this option creating new problems, so at
the moment I a leaning toward the previous option.

If anyone has additional feedback to share then please let me know.

Thank you,

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: [hidden email]
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

Diane Ranville
" having a shorter list of subjects could lead to criticism about the
content being [...] too reflective of one person's preferences"
=> well, as Amir said, the content is *already* reflective of just one
person's preferences.
Also, as Cornelius said, the idea of "what makes you happy" implies a very
subjective feeling.

So it will always be just *your* view of what makes you happy, your bias.
But: making your email shorter (even going down to just 1 item per week)
would make room for others to share *their *views, creating a balance.
I hope you try the short version on this list (as I barely have time to go
through the Signpost!).

Best,

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 12:53 AM Pine W <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Thanks to everyone for the feedback.
>
> One point of some agreement among commenters is that they would prefer
> WMYHTW emails to be shorter. Those would be faster for me to write, but
> some problems with having a shorter list of subjects each week are that it
> could more easily lead to criticism about the content being
> unrepresentative of Wikiverse activities and too reflective of one person's
> preferences.
>
> I had hoped that having a variety of people participate in these threads
> would add diversity to the content, but participation from others has been
> rare.
>
> I will need more time to process this feedback and think about what to do.
> I don't think that any one option will satisfy everyone. One possibility is
> that I will stop sending these emails to Wikimedia-l, but will continue to
> write the version that appears in *The Signpost*. Another possibility is
> that I could write the shorter version for a few weeks and see what people
> think about it, but I worry about this option creating new problems, so at
> the moment I a leaning toward the previous option.
>
> If anyone has additional feedback to share then please let me know.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
> New messages to: [hidden email]
> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
> <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: [hidden email]
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
Reply | Threaded
Open this post in threaded view
|

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brief request for advice about "What's making you happy this week?"

Pine W
Hi Diane,

Thanks for the comments. I started to write a longer reply before deciding
that, given the general message that I'm hearing of (paraphrasing), "this
is fine but a shorter form would be better if you want people to
participate", I'll skip writing a longer explanation of how I'm thinking.
Thanks for taking the time to write.

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )


On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 9:44 AM Diane Ranville <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> " having a shorter list of subjects could lead to criticism about the
> content being [...] too reflective of one person's preferences"
> => well, as Amir said, the content is *already* reflective of just one
> person's preferences.
> Also, as Cornelius said, the idea of "what makes you happy" implies a very
> subjective feeling.
>
> So it will always be just *your* view of what makes you happy, your bias.
> But: making your email shorter (even going down to just 1 item per week)
> would make room for others to share *their *views, creating a balance.
> I hope you try the short version on this list (as I barely have time to go
> through the Signpost!).
>
> Best,
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 12:53 AM Pine W <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Thanks to everyone for the feedback.
> >
> > One point of some agreement among commenters is that they would prefer
> > WMYHTW emails to be shorter. Those would be faster for me to write, but
> > some problems with having a shorter list of subjects each week are that
> it
> > could more easily lead to criticism about the content being
> > unrepresentative of Wikiverse activities and too reflective of one
> person's
> > preferences.
> >
> > I had hoped that having a variety of people participate in these threads
> > would add diversity to the content, but participation from others has
> been
> > rare.
> >
> > I will need more time to process this feedback and think about what to
> do.
> > I don't think that any one option will satisfy everyone. One possibility
> is
> > that I will stop sending these emails to Wikimedia-l, but will continue
> to
> > write the version that appears in *The Signpost*. Another possibility is
> > that I could write the shorter version for a few weeks and see what
> people
> > think about it, but I worry about this option creating new problems, so
> at
> > the moment I a leaning toward the previous option.
> >
> > If anyone has additional feedback to share then please let me know.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Pine
> > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
> > New messages to: [hidden email]
> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
> > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
> New messages to: [hidden email]
> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
> <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
_______________________________________________
Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
New messages to: [hidden email]
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>