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[Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

Maor Malul
*

Dear all,

*

**

*Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic
organization, or user group - allows an independent group to officially
use the Wikimedia name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain
duties and responsibilities.  While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to
the basic compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the
Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the
exceptional cases when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum
compliance standards and their continued recognition as a Wikimedia
affiliate presents a risk to the Wikimedia movement.*

*

On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their
suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious
governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting requirements
which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding
them, and on the date mentioned above,  was provided with an explicit
list of tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their
chapter agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the
deadline of November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they
would no longer be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the
termination of their Chapter Agreement on March 1, 2017.  It is
important to make clear that the Affiliations Committee will continue to
support other organized Wikimedia communities and their activities in
the Philippines.

If you have questions about what this means for the community members in
their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ,
which may be found
at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*


--
"*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua
junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain."
Maor Malul
Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
www.wikimedia.org.ve <http://wikimedia.org.ve>
Member, Wikimedia Israel | www.wikimedia.org.il <http://wikimedia.org.il>
Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
Phone: +972-52-4869915
Twitter: @maor_x
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
Thank you Maor for the update.

We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of new
organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to check
and evaluate our current organizations.

Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while it's
not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new
ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active or
non-compliance with our movement requirements.

Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what is a
"movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate
outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part in
it.






*Regards,Itzik Edri*
Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
+972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!


On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul <[hidden email]> wrote:

> *
>
> Dear all,
>
> *
>
> **
>
> *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic organization,
> or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the Wikimedia
> name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and
> responsibilities.  While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic
> compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia
> Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional cases
> when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards and
> their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk to the
> Wikimedia movement.*
>
> *
>
> On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their
> suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious
> governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting requirements
> which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding them,
> and on the date mentioned above,  was provided with an explicit list of
> tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their chapter
> agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of
> November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no longer
> be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter
> Agreement on March 1, 2017.  It is important to make clear that the
> Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized Wikimedia
> communities and their activities in the Philippines.
>
> If you have questions about what this means for the community members in
> their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ,
> which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/
> wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/
> /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/
> Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
>
>
> --
> "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua
> junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain."
> Maor Malul
> Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve
> <http://wikimedia.org.ve>
> Member, Wikimedia Israel | www.wikimedia.org.il <http://wikimedia.org.il>
> Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
> Phone: +972-52-4869915
> Twitter: @maor_x
> _______________________________________________
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

jmh649
I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of accountability. Hopefully
this will encourage groups in the Philippines to become more active again.

James

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thank you Maor for the update.
>
> We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of new
> organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to check
> and evaluate our current organizations.
>
> Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while it's
> not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new
> ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active or
> non-compliance with our movement requirements.
>
> Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what is a
> "movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate
> outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part in
> it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > *
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > *
> >
> > **
> >
> > *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic organization,
> > or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the
> Wikimedia
> > name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and
> > responsibilities.  While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic
> > compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia
> > Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional
> cases
> > when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards and
> > their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk to
> the
> > Wikimedia movement.*
> >
> > *
> >
> > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their
> > suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious
> > governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting requirements
> > which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding them,
> > and on the date mentioned above,  was provided with an explicit list of
> > tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their chapter
> > agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of
> > November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no
> longer
> > be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their
> Chapter
> > Agreement on March 1, 2017.  It is important to make clear that the
> > Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized Wikimedia
> > communities and their activities in the Philippines.
> >
> > If you have questions about what this means for the community members in
> > their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ,
> > which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/
> > wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/
> > /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/
> > Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
> >
> >
> > --
> > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua
> > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain."
> > Maor Malul
> > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
> www.wikimedia.org.ve
> > <http://wikimedia.org.ve>
> > Member, Wikimedia Israel | www.wikimedia.org.il <http://wikimedia.org.il
> >
> > Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
> > Phone: +972-52-4869915
> > Twitter: @maor_x
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik
> > i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/
> wiki/Wikimedia-l
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

Gabriel Thullen
I also agree with Itzik and James. The chapters depend on the Wikimedia
Foundation for a large part of their finances, so when something like this
happens, the whole movement is concerned, not just Wikimedia Philippines.
When one chapter of affiliate looks bad, everybody will get part of the
backlash. Affcom has to make these tough decisions, but I also think they
are necessary in order to keep a certain credibility.

Gabe

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 3:41 PM, James Heilman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of accountability. Hopefully
> this will encourage groups in the Philippines to become more active again.
>
> James
>
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Thank you Maor for the update.
> >
> > We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of new
> > organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to check
> > and evaluate our current organizations.
> >
> > Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while
> it's
> > not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new
> > ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active or
> > non-compliance with our movement requirements.
> >
> > Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what is
> a
> > "movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate
> > outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part
> in
> > it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > *
> > >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > **
> > >
> > > *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic
> organization,
> > > or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the
> > Wikimedia
> > > name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and
> > > responsibilities.  While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic
> > > compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia
> > > Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional
> > cases
> > > when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards
> and
> > > their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk to
> > the
> > > Wikimedia movement.*
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their
> > > suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious
> > > governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting
> requirements
> > > which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding
> them,
> > > and on the date mentioned above,  was provided with an explicit list of
> > > tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their chapter
> > > agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline
> of
> > > November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no
> > longer
> > > be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their
> > Chapter
> > > Agreement on March 1, 2017.  It is important to make clear that the
> > > Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized
> Wikimedia
> > > communities and their activities in the Philippines.
> > >
> > > If you have questions about what this means for the community members
> in
> > > their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ,
> > > which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/
> > > wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/
> > > /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/
> > > Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee
> wayuukanairua
> > > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya
> junain."
> > > Maor Malul
> > > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
> > www.wikimedia.org.ve
> > > <http://wikimedia.org.ve>
> > > Member, Wikimedia Israel | www.wikimedia.org.il <
> http://wikimedia.org.il
> > >
> > > Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
> > > Phone: +972-52-4869915
> > > Twitter: @maor_x
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik
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> > wiki/Wikimedia-l
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>
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>
> The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

Fæ
In reply to this post by Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
Itzik has put it nicely. The volunteers in Affcom are committed folks,
and it is reassuring that multiple steps are taken to encourage
struggling affiliates to meet the basic requirements.

Running a chapter is a hard burden for a small group of volunteers,
particularly if relying on volunteers to produce monthly reports and
run accounts. There no shame it letting it go if not enough volunteers
want to take this on.

For those involved who may feel discouraged, I recommend keeping an
social group running, even on a very informal and ad hoc way. Later,
it may be worth considering the benefits of recognizing a small
society as an affiliate User Group, where the administrative
requirements are very small indeed. In fact it can be rather nice not
to have to worry about holding money, running accounts or even
managing memberships, none of this being a firm requirement. The
reporting is just 'logging' of related events and projects, the sorts
of things small societies want to do for ourselves, yet gives you the
modest benefit of being able to use "Wikimedia" as a brand and logo
for events.

Thanks,
Fae
Wikimedia LGBT+


On 23 April 2017 at 09:14, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thank you Maor for the update.
>
> We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of new
> organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to check
> and evaluate our current organizations.
>
> Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while it's
> not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new
> ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active or
> non-compliance with our movement requirements.
>
> Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what is a
> "movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate
> outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part in
> it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> *
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> *
>>
>> **
>>
>> *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic organization,
>> or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the Wikimedia
>> name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and
>> responsibilities.  While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic
>> compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia
>> Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional cases
>> when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards and
>> their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk to the
>> Wikimedia movement.*
>>
>> *
>>
>> On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their
>> suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious
>> governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting requirements
>> which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding them,
>> and on the date mentioned above,  was provided with an explicit list of
>> tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their chapter
>> agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of
>> November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no longer
>> be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter
>> Agreement on March 1, 2017.  It is important to make clear that the
>> Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized Wikimedia
>> communities and their activities in the Philippines.
>>
>> If you have questions about what this means for the community members in
>> their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ,
>> which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>> wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/
>> /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/
>> Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
>>
>>
>> --
>> "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua
>> junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain."
>> Maor Malul
>> Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve
>> <http://wikimedia.org.ve>
>> Member, Wikimedia Israel | www.wikimedia.org.il <http://wikimedia.org.il>
>> Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
>> Phone: +972-52-4869915
>> Twitter: @maor_x
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik
>> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
>> New messages to: [hidden email]
>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

Amir Sarabadani-2
I have a request and/or question. I've got the idea from "Incident report".
When things don't go as planned in servers, we write an incident report and
try to learn from lapses happened. Now my question is. Has something
similar done for chapters that get de-recognized? Do you want to talk to
volunteers in those chapters and investigate why this happened so other
chapters can learn and fix mistakes early on? Sometimes it's outside our
control (for example socioeconomic situation in a country can contribute to
amount of activities in the chapter) but maybe there are issues in the
governance of the chapter that can lead to such cases.

I know AffCom members are volunteers and this might be too much for a group
of volunteers which have already a lot on their plate. Just for
consideration.

Thanks and keep the great work up.
Best

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 7:20 PM Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Itzik has put it nicely. The volunteers in Affcom are committed folks,
> and it is reassuring that multiple steps are taken to encourage
> struggling affiliates to meet the basic requirements.
>
> Running a chapter is a hard burden for a small group of volunteers,
> particularly if relying on volunteers to produce monthly reports and
> run accounts. There no shame it letting it go if not enough volunteers
> want to take this on.
>
> For those involved who may feel discouraged, I recommend keeping an
> social group running, even on a very informal and ad hoc way. Later,
> it may be worth considering the benefits of recognizing a small
> society as an affiliate User Group, where the administrative
> requirements are very small indeed. In fact it can be rather nice not
> to have to worry about holding money, running accounts or even
> managing memberships, none of this being a firm requirement. The
> reporting is just 'logging' of related events and projects, the sorts
> of things small societies want to do for ourselves, yet gives you the
> modest benefit of being able to use "Wikimedia" as a brand and logo
> for events.
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
> Wikimedia LGBT+
>
>
> On 23 April 2017 at 09:14, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Thank you Maor for the update.
> >
> > We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of new
> > organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to check
> > and evaluate our current organizations.
> >
> > Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while
> it's
> > not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new
> > ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active or
> > non-compliance with our movement requirements.
> >
> > Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what is
> a
> > "movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate
> > outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part
> in
> > it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> *
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> *
> >>
> >> **
> >>
> >> *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic
> organization,
> >> or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the
> Wikimedia
> >> name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and
> >> responsibilities.  While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic
> >> compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia
> >> Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional
> cases
> >> when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards
> and
> >> their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk to
> the
> >> Wikimedia movement.*
> >>
> >> *
> >>
> >> On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their
> >> suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious
> >> governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting requirements
> >> which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding
> them,
> >> and on the date mentioned above,  was provided with an explicit list of
> >> tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their chapter
> >> agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of
> >> November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no
> longer
> >> be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their
> Chapter
> >> Agreement on March 1, 2017.  It is important to make clear that the
> >> Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized
> Wikimedia
> >> communities and their activities in the Philippines.
> >>
> >> If you have questions about what this means for the community members in
> >> their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ,
> >> which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/
> >> wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/
> >> /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/
> >> Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua
> >> junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain."
> >> Maor Malul
> >> Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
> www.wikimedia.org.ve
> >> <http://wikimedia.org.ve>
> >> Member, Wikimedia Israel | www.wikimedia.org.il <
> http://wikimedia.org.il>
> >> Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
> >> Phone: +972-52-4869915 <+972%2052-486-9915>
> >> Twitter: @maor_x
> >> _______________________________________________
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

Gnangarra
It should have been noted that the Philippines affiliate
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PhilWiki_Community  is going strong and
actively working in the region, they continue to do so with support.  I
think care should be taken with such negative notices to ensure we dont
damage the existing and ongoing positive activities with a notice thats
focusing on an unrelated issue.

On 24 April 2017 at 06:05, Amir Ladsgroup <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I have a request and/or question. I've got the idea from "Incident report".
> When things don't go as planned in servers, we write an incident report and
> try to learn from lapses happened. Now my question is. Has something
> similar done for chapters that get de-recognized? Do you want to talk to
> volunteers in those chapters and investigate why this happened so other
> chapters can learn and fix mistakes early on? Sometimes it's outside our
> control (for example socioeconomic situation in a country can contribute to
> amount of activities in the chapter) but maybe there are issues in the
> governance of the chapter that can lead to such cases.
>
> I know AffCom members are volunteers and this might be too much for a group
> of volunteers which have already a lot on their plate. Just for
> consideration.
>
> Thanks and keep the great work up.
> Best
>
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 7:20 PM Fæ <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Itzik has put it nicely. The volunteers in Affcom are committed folks,
> > and it is reassuring that multiple steps are taken to encourage
> > struggling affiliates to meet the basic requirements.
> >
> > Running a chapter is a hard burden for a small group of volunteers,
> > particularly if relying on volunteers to produce monthly reports and
> > run accounts. There no shame it letting it go if not enough volunteers
> > want to take this on.
> >
> > For those involved who may feel discouraged, I recommend keeping an
> > social group running, even on a very informal and ad hoc way. Later,
> > it may be worth considering the benefits of recognizing a small
> > society as an affiliate User Group, where the administrative
> > requirements are very small indeed. In fact it can be rather nice not
> > to have to worry about holding money, running accounts or even
> > managing memberships, none of this being a firm requirement. The
> > reporting is just 'logging' of related events and projects, the sorts
> > of things small societies want to do for ourselves, yet gives you the
> > modest benefit of being able to use "Wikimedia" as a brand and logo
> > for events.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Fae
> > Wikimedia LGBT+
> >
> >
> > On 23 April 2017 at 09:14, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > Thank you Maor for the update.
> > >
> > > We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of
> new
> > > organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to
> check
> > > and evaluate our current organizations.
> > >
> > > Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while
> > it's
> > > not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new
> > > ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active
> or
> > > non-compliance with our movement requirements.
> > >
> > > Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what
> is
> > a
> > > "movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate
> > > outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part
> > in
> > > it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> the
> > > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> *
> > >>
> > >> Dear all,
> > >>
> > >> *
> > >>
> > >> **
> > >>
> > >> *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic
> > organization,
> > >> or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the
> > Wikimedia
> > >> name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and
> > >> responsibilities.  While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic
> > >> compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia
> > >> Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional
> > cases
> > >> when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards
> > and
> > >> their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk
> to
> > the
> > >> Wikimedia movement.*
> > >>
> > >> *
> > >>
> > >> On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their
> > >> suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious
> > >> governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting
> requirements
> > >> which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding
> > them,
> > >> and on the date mentioned above,  was provided with an explicit list
> of
> > >> tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their
> chapter
> > >> agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline
> of
> > >> November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no
> > longer
> > >> be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their
> > Chapter
> > >> Agreement on March 1, 2017.  It is important to make clear that the
> > >> Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized
> > Wikimedia
> > >> communities and their activities in the Philippines.
> > >>
> > >> If you have questions about what this means for the community members
> in
> > >> their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ,
> > >> which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/
> > >> wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/
> > >> /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/
> > >> Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee
> wayuukanairua
> > >> junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya
> junain."
> > >> Maor Malul
> > >> Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
> > www.wikimedia.org.ve
> > >> <http://wikimedia.org.ve>
> > >> Member, Wikimedia Israel | www.wikimedia.org.il <
> > http://wikimedia.org.il>
> > >> Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
> > >> Phone: +972-52-4869915 <+972%2052-486-9915>
> > >> Twitter: @maor_x
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik
> > >> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
> > >> New messages to: [hidden email]
> > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
> ,
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> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

Chris Keating-2
In reply to this post by Amir Sarabadani-2
Hi Amir,

I have a request and/or question. I've got the idea from "Incident report".
> When things don't go as planned in servers, we write an incident report and
> try to learn from lapses happened. Now my question is. Has something
> similar done for chapters that get de-recognized? Do you want to talk to
> volunteers in those chapters and investigate why this happened so other
> chapters can learn and fix mistakes early on?
>

You're right that we ought to learn as much as we can from these situations
so we (as a movement) can support new affiliates better in future.

However in most of these cases the volunteers involved have moved on to
other things. If they aren't responding to contacts from WMF or AffCom
about the likely de-recognition of their chapter they probably also won't
respond to contacts asking for their input into a washup report.

Affcom and some WMF staff might have some insight, but it if that was going
to be documented publically then it would be important to do it in a way
that doesn't look like people are just pointing fingers at individuals.

Chris
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

Josh Lim
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If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being “accountable”, then I have serious doubts about how this process will remain sustainable.

I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly demotivating for everyone involved.  I’ve been trying to keep myself composed throughout the entire process, but at this point I simply cannot.

I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than others.  Every organization does.  But I will not allow the work that I’ve dedicated over a decade of my life to be thrown out the window because we weren’t “accountable”.  To the best of our ability, we WERE accountable to our community and to the movement.  And I, frankly, feet that we were as accountable as we could’ve been.

You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this entire process.  It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot, process the grief this entire process has brought upon Wikimedia Philippines, and especially myself.  I will try to be optimistic about the future, as people have been telling me to do, but at this point in time, at least have some respect for the work that we’ve done over the last six years.  That’s really all I’m asking for at this point.

Thanks,

Josh

> On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of accountability. Hopefully this will encourage groups in the Philippines to become more active again.
>
> James
>
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
> Thank you Maor for the update.
>
> We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of new
> organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to check
> and evaluate our current organizations.
>
> Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while it's
> not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new
> ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active or
> non-compliance with our movement requirements.
>
> Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what is a
> "movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate
> outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part in
> it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> +972-54-5878078 <tel:%2B972-54-5878078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/>
> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
> > *
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > *
> >
> > **
> >
> > *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic organization,
> > or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the Wikimedia
> > name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and
> > responsibilities.  While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic
> > compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia
> > Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional cases
> > when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards and
> > their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk to the
> > Wikimedia movement.*
> >
> > *
> >
> > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their
> > suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious
> > governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting requirements
> > which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding them,
> > and on the date mentioned above,  was provided with an explicit list of
> > tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their chapter
> > agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of
> > November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no longer
> > be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter
> > Agreement on March 1, 2017.  It is important to make clear that the
> > Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized Wikimedia
> > communities and their activities in the Philippines.
> >
> > If you have questions about what this means for the community members in
> > their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ,
> > which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/ <https://meta.wikimedia.org/>
> > wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/
> > /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/>
> > Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
> >
> >
> > --
> > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua
> > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain."
> > Maor Malul
> > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve <http://www.wikimedia.org.ve/>
> > <http://wikimedia.org.ve <http://wikimedia.org.ve/>>
> > Member, Wikimedia Israel | www.wikimedia.org.il <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/> <http://wikimedia.org.il <http://wikimedia.org.il/>>
> > Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
> > Phone: +972-52-4869915 <tel:%2B972-52-4869915>
> > Twitter: @maor_x
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik>
> > i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l>
> > New messages to: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
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>
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jmh649
Hey Josh

So where was the missed communication? Were there extenuating circumstances
regarding why Wikimedia Philippines was not able to produce the required
documents? Was active communication between Wikimedia Philippines and
affcom ongoing?

James

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Josh Lim <[hidden email]> wrote:

> If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being “accountable”, then I
> have serious doubts about how this process will remain sustainable.
>
> I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly demotivating for everyone
> involved.  I’ve been trying to keep myself composed throughout the entire
> process, but at this point I simply cannot.
>
> I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than others.  Every
> organization does.  But I will not allow the work that I’ve dedicated over
> a decade of my life to be thrown out the window because we weren’t
> “accountable”.  To the best of our ability, we WERE accountable to our
> community and to the movement.  And I, frankly, feet that we were as
> accountable as we could’ve been.
>
> You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this entire
> process.  It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot, process the grief this
> entire process has brought upon Wikimedia Philippines, and especially
> myself.  I will try to be optimistic about the future, as people have been
> telling me to do, but at this point in time, at least have some respect for
> the work that we’ve done over the last six years.  That’s really all I’m
> asking for at this point.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josh
>
> > On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of accountability.
> Hopefully this will encourage groups in the Philippines to become more
> active again.
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
> > Thank you Maor for the update.
> >
> > We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of new
> > organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to check
> > and evaluate our current organizations.
> >
> > Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while
> it's
> > not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new
> > ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active or
> > non-compliance with our movement requirements.
> >
> > Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what is
> a
> > "movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate
> > outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part
> in
> > it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > +972-54-5878078 <tel:%2B972-54-5878078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il <
> http://www.wikimedia.org.il/>
> > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul <[hidden email] <mailto:
> [hidden email]>> wrote:
> >
> > > *
> > >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > **
> > >
> > > *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic
> organization,
> > > or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the
> Wikimedia
> > > name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and
> > > responsibilities.  While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic
> > > compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia
> > > Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional
> cases
> > > when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards
> and
> > > their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk
> to the
> > > Wikimedia movement.*
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their
> > > suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious
> > > governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting
> requirements
> > > which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding
> them,
> > > and on the date mentioned above,  was provided with an explicit list of
> > > tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their chapter
> > > agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline
> of
> > > November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no
> longer
> > > be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their
> Chapter
> > > Agreement on March 1, 2017.  It is important to make clear that the
> > > Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized
> Wikimedia
> > > communities and their activities in the Philippines.
> > >
> > > If you have questions about what this means for the community members
> in
> > > their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ,
> > > which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/ <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/>
> > > wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/
> > > /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ <
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/>
> > > Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee
> wayuukanairua
> > > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya
> junain."
> > > Maor Malul
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

Josh Lim
Hi James,

Towards the end of the process, and I will admit I was guilty of this as well, we have been so demotivated by the process that we felt it wasn’t worth it to continue communicating with the Affiliations Committee further.

Over the last year, we had been working to return to compliance.  These included adopting new processes to automate old manual ones, completing overdue financial reports, and pursing other changes that were asked of us.  We had a deadline, and we have completed as much of it as we could, but ultimately there were items that we didn’t complete by that deadline, either because we couldn’t (government bureaucracy for much of it), or because we felt that given our capacity the deadline was overly ambitious.  We accept responsibility for that.  However, despite our efforts, it was decided that we should lose chapter status.

I will admit that we haven’t had the best communication record with the Foundation and the Committee, fine.  But we tried to do what they asked anyway.  We didn’t decide to disband like Wikimedia Hong Kong, and the decision basically said that our efforts are all for naught.  That’s where it became increasingly difficult for us who want to keep going at WMPH to get the chapter moving on these things.

So far, we’re sticking around and still working to return to compliance.  But this is something we’re all disappointed over.  As for me personally, having dedicated so much of my life to building the chapter and the community here in the Philippines at large, I don’t know how to process what’s going on, since it’s as if everything I’ve built is for naught.

Thanks,

Josh

> On Apr 25, 2017, at 11:45 AM, James Heilman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hey Josh
>
> So where was the missed communication? Were there extenuating circumstances
> regarding why Wikimedia Philippines was not able to produce the required
> documents? Was active communication between Wikimedia Philippines and
> affcom ongoing?
>
> James
>
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Josh Lim <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>> If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being “accountable”, then I
>> have serious doubts about how this process will remain sustainable.
>>
>> I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly demotivating for everyone
>> involved.  I’ve been trying to keep myself composed throughout the entire
>> process, but at this point I simply cannot.
>>
>> I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than others.  Every
>> organization does.  But I will not allow the work that I’ve dedicated over
>> a decade of my life to be thrown out the window because we weren’t
>> “accountable”.  To the best of our ability, we WERE accountable to our
>> community and to the movement.  And I, frankly, feet that we were as
>> accountable as we could’ve been.
>>
>> You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this entire
>> process.  It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot, process the grief this
>> entire process has brought upon Wikimedia Philippines, and especially
>> myself.  I will try to be optimistic about the future, as people have been
>> telling me to do, but at this point in time, at least have some respect for
>> the work that we’ve done over the last six years.  That’s really all I’m
>> asking for at this point.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Josh
>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of accountability.
>> Hopefully this will encourage groups in the Philippines to become more
>> active again.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>> wrote:
>>> Thank you Maor for the update.
>>>
>>> We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of new
>>> organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to check
>>> and evaluate our current organizations.
>>>
>>> Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while
>> it's
>>> not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new
>>> ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active or
>>> non-compliance with our movement requirements.
>>>
>>> Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what is
>> a
>>> "movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate
>>> outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part
>> in
>>> it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
>>> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
>>> +972-54-5878078 <tel:%2B972-54-5878078 <tel:%2B972-54-5878078>> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/> <
>> http://www.wikimedia.org.il/ <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/>>
>>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
>>> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> <mailto:
>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic
>> organization,
>>>> or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the
>> Wikimedia
>>>> name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and
>>>> responsibilities.  While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic
>>>> compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia
>>>> Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional
>> cases
>>>> when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards
>> and
>>>> their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk
>> to the
>>>> Wikimedia movement.*
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their
>>>> suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious
>>>> governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting
>> requirements
>>>> which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding
>> them,
>>>> and on the date mentioned above,  was provided with an explicit list of
>>>> tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their chapter
>>>> agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline
>> of
>>>> November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no
>> longer
>>>> be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their
>> Chapter
>>>> Agreement on March 1, 2017.  It is important to make clear that the
>>>> Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized
>> Wikimedia
>>>> communities and their activities in the Philippines.
>>>>
>>>> If you have questions about what this means for the community members
>> in
>>>> their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ,
>>>> which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/ <https://meta.wikimedia.org/> <
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/ <https://meta.wikimedia.org/>>
>>>> wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/
>>>> /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/> <
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/>>
>>>> Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>> wayuukanairua
>>>> junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya
>> junain."
>>>> Maor Malul
>>>> Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
>> www.wikimedia.org.ve <http://www.wikimedia.org.ve/> <http://www.wikimedia.org.ve/ <http://www.wikimedia.org.ve/>>
>>>> <http://wikimedia.org.ve <http://wikimedia.org.ve/> <http://wikimedia.org.ve/ <http://wikimedia.org.ve/>>>
>>>> Member, Wikimedia Israel | www.wikimedia.org.il <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/> <
>> http://www.wikimedia.org.il/ <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/>> <http://wikimedia.org.il <http://wikimedia.org.il/> <
>> http://wikimedia.org.il/ <http://wikimedia.org.il/>>>
>>>> Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
>>>> Phone: +972-52-4869915 <tel:%2B972-52-4869915 <tel:%2B972-52-4869915>>
>>>> Twitter: @maor_x
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>>>
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>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/affiliates <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/affiliates>>
>> JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM
>> Bachelor of Arts in Political Science
>> Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University
>> Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines
>>
>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> | +63 (977)
>> 831-7582
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Bachelor of Arts in Political Science
Class of 2013, Ateneo de Manila University
Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

jmh649
Hey Josh

Thanks for sharing the other side of the issue. If you were actively
working towards compliance agree having the chapter status pulled is
concerning. Government bureaucracy is horribly slow. Anything we as the
wider movement can do to help? Has affcom given you guidance regarding how
to return to chapter status?

James

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Josh Lim <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi James,
>
> Towards the end of the process, and I will admit I was guilty of this as
> well, we have been so demotivated by the process that we felt it wasn’t
> worth it to continue communicating with the Affiliations Committee further.
>
> Over the last year, we had been working to return to compliance.  These
> included adopting new processes to automate old manual ones, completing
> overdue financial reports, and pursing other changes that were asked of
> us.  We had a deadline, and we have completed as much of it as we could,
> but ultimately there were items that we didn’t complete by that deadline,
> either because we couldn’t (government bureaucracy for much of it), or
> because we felt that given our capacity the deadline was overly ambitious.
> We accept responsibility for that.  However, despite our efforts, it was
> decided that we should lose chapter status.
>
> I will admit that we haven’t had the best communication record with the
> Foundation and the Committee, fine.  But we tried to do what they asked
> anyway.  We didn’t decide to disband like Wikimedia Hong Kong, and the
> decision basically said that our efforts are all for naught.  That’s where
> it became increasingly difficult for us who want to keep going at WMPH to
> get the chapter moving on these things.
>
> So far, we’re sticking around and still working to return to compliance.
> But this is something we’re all disappointed over.  As for me personally,
> having dedicated so much of my life to building the chapter and the
> community here in the Philippines at large, I don’t know how to process
> what’s going on, since it’s as if everything I’ve built is for naught.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josh
>
> > On Apr 25, 2017, at 11:45 AM, James Heilman <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Josh
> >
> > So where was the missed communication? Were there extenuating
> circumstances
> > regarding why Wikimedia Philippines was not able to produce the required
> > documents? Was active communication between Wikimedia Philippines and
> > affcom ongoing?
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Josh Lim <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
> >
> >> If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being “accountable”, then I
> >> have serious doubts about how this process will remain sustainable.
> >>
> >> I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly demotivating for
> everyone
> >> involved.  I’ve been trying to keep myself composed throughout the
> entire
> >> process, but at this point I simply cannot.
> >>
> >> I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than others.
> Every
> >> organization does.  But I will not allow the work that I’ve dedicated
> over
> >> a decade of my life to be thrown out the window because we weren’t
> >> “accountable”.  To the best of our ability, we WERE accountable to our
> >> community and to the movement.  And I, frankly, feet that we were as
> >> accountable as we could’ve been.
> >>
> >> You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this entire
> >> process.  It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot, process the grief
> this
> >> entire process has brought upon Wikimedia Philippines, and especially
> >> myself.  I will try to be optimistic about the future, as people have
> been
> >> telling me to do, but at this point in time, at least have some respect
> for
> >> the work that we’ve done over the last six years.  That’s really all I’m
> >> asking for at this point.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Josh
> >>
> >>> On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of accountability.
> >> Hopefully this will encourage groups in the Philippines to become more
> >> active again.
> >>>
> >>> James
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> >> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> <mailto:
> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>> wrote:
> >>> Thank you Maor for the update.
> >>>
> >>> We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of
> new
> >>> organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to
> check
> >>> and evaluate our current organizations.
> >>>
> >>> Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while
> >> it's
> >>> not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new
> >>> ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active
> or
> >>> non-compliance with our movement requirements.
> >>>
> >>> Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what
> is
> >> a
> >>> "movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate
> >>> outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part
> >> in
> >>> it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> >>> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> >>> +972-54-5878078 <tel:%2B972-54-5878078 <tel:%2B972-54-5878078>> |
> http://www.wikimedia.org.il <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/> <
> >> http://www.wikimedia.org.il/ <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/>>
> >>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> the
> >>> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul <[hidden email] <mailto:
> [hidden email]> <mailto:
> >> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> *
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear all,
> >>>>
> >>>> *
> >>>>
> >>>> **
> >>>>
> >>>> *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic
> >> organization,
> >>>> or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the
> >> Wikimedia
> >>>> name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and
> >>>> responsibilities.  While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic
> >>>> compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia
> >>>> Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional
> >> cases
> >>>> when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards
> >> and
> >>>> their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk
> >> to the
> >>>> Wikimedia movement.*
> >>>>
> >>>> *
> >>>>
> >>>> On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their
> >>>> suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious
> >>>> governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting
> >> requirements
> >>>> which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding
> >> them,
> >>>> and on the date mentioned above,  was provided with an explicit list
> of
> >>>> tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their
> chapter
> >>>> agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline
> >> of
> >>>> November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no
> >> longer
> >>>> be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their
> >> Chapter
> >>>> Agreement on March 1, 2017.  It is important to make clear that the
> >>>> Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized
> >> Wikimedia
> >>>> communities and their activities in the Philippines.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you have questions about what this means for the community members
> >> in
> >>>> their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ,
> >>>> which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/ <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/> <
> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/ <https://meta.wikimedia.org/>>
> >>>> wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/
> >>>> /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ <
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/> <
> >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ <
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/>>
> >>>> Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee
> >> wayuukanairua
> >>>> junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya
> >> junain."
> >>>> Maor Malul
> >>>> Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
> >> www.wikimedia.org.ve <http://www.wikimedia.org.ve/> <
> http://www.wikimedia.org.ve/ <http://www.wikimedia.org.ve/>>
> >>>> <http://wikimedia.org.ve <http://wikimedia.org.ve/> <
> http://wikimedia.org.ve/ <http://wikimedia.org.ve/>>>
> >>>> Member, Wikimedia Israel | www.wikimedia.org.il <
> http://www.wikimedia.org.il/> <
> >> http://www.wikimedia.org.il/ <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/>> <
> http://wikimedia.org.il <http://wikimedia.org.il/> <
> >> http://wikimedia.org.il/ <http://wikimedia.org.il/>>>
> >>>> Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
> >>>> Phone: +972-52-4869915 <tel:%2B972-52-4869915
> <tel:%2B972-52-4869915>>
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> >> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> <mailto:
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>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

Maor Malul
In reply to this post by jmh649
Hello Josh,

The WMF and the AffCom have decided not to disclose further details of
the very serious governance issues in order not to hurt the movement and
the reputation of the people involved. Please, avoid misleading and
adding drama to this situation -which is already difficult, and damages
the movement as a whole. WMPH was given very specific recommendations of
what do and what not to do, but decided to go its own way.

M.


El 25/04/2017 a las 06:17 a.m., Josh Lim escribió:

> If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being “accountable”, then
> I have serious doubts about how this process will remain sustainable.
>
> I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly demotivating for
> everyone involved.  I’ve been trying to keep myself composed
> throughout the entire process, but at this point I simply cannot.
>
> I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than others.
>  Every organization does.  But I will not allow the work that I’ve
> dedicated over a decade of my life to be thrown out the window because
> we weren’t “accountable”.  To the best of our ability, we WERE
> accountable to our community and to the movement.  And I, frankly,
> feet that we were as accountable as we could’ve been.
>
> You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this entire
> process.  It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot, process the grief
> this entire process has brought upon Wikimedia Philippines, and
> especially myself.  I will try to be optimistic about the future, as
> people have been telling me to do, but at this point in time, at least
> have some respect for the work that we’ve done over the last six
> years.  That’s really all I’m asking for at this point.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josh
>
>> On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman <[hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>> I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of accountability.
>> Hopefully this will encourage groups in the Philippines to become
>> more active again.
>>
>> James
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia
>> Israel<[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>wrote:
>>
>>     Thank you Maor for the update.
>>
>>     We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome
>>     recognition of new
>>     organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need
>>     to check
>>     and evaluate our current organizations.
>>
>>     Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and
>>     while it's
>>     not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to
>>     recognize new
>>     ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer
>>     active or
>>     non-compliance with our movement requirements.
>>
>>     Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses
>>     what is a
>>     "movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who
>>     operate
>>     outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a
>>     significant part in
>>     it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     *Regards,Itzik Edri*
>>     Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
>>     +972-54-5878078
>>     <tel:%2B972-54-5878078> |http://www.wikimedia.org.il
>>     <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/>
>>     Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
>>     share in the
>>     sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
>>
>>
>>     On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul <[hidden email]
>>     <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>>     > *
>>     >
>>     > Dear all,
>>     >
>>     > *
>>     >
>>     > **
>>     >
>>     > *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic
>>     organization,
>>     > or user group - allows an independent group to officially use
>>     the Wikimedia
>>     > name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and
>>     > responsibilities.  While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to
>>     the basic
>>     > compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the
>>     Wikimedia
>>     > Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the
>>     exceptional cases
>>     > when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance
>>     standards and
>>     > their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a
>>     risk to the
>>     > Wikimedia movement.*
>>     >
>>     > *
>>     >
>>     > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their
>>     > suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and
>>     serious
>>     > governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting
>>     requirements
>>     > which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings
>>     regarding them,
>>     > and on the date mentioned above,  was provided with an explicit
>>     list of
>>     > tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their
>>     chapter
>>     > agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the
>>     deadline of
>>     > November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they
>>     would no longer
>>     > be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of
>>     their Chapter
>>     > Agreement on March 1, 2017.  It is important to make clear that the
>>     > Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized
>>     Wikimedia
>>     > communities and their activities in the Philippines.
>>     >
>>     > If you have questions about what this means for the community
>>     members in
>>     > their region or language areas, we have put together a very
>>     basic FAQ,
>>     > which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>>     > wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/
>>     > /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/
>>     <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/>
>>     > Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > --
>>     > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee
>>     wayuukanairua
>>     > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya
>>     junain."
>>     > Maor Malul
>>     > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2
>>     |www.wikimedia.org.ve <http://www.wikimedia.org.ve/>
>>     > <http://wikimedia.org.ve <http://wikimedia.org.ve/>>
>>     > Member, Wikimedia Israel |www.wikimedia.org.il
>>     <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/><http://wikimedia.org.il
>>     <http://wikimedia.org.il/>>
>>     > Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
>>     > Phone:+972-52-4869915 <tel:%2B972-52-4869915>
>>     > Twitter: @maor_x
>>     > _______________________________________________
>>     > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines
>>     at:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik
>>     > i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
>>     andhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
>>     <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l>
>>     > New messages to:[hidden email]
>>     <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>     >
>>     Unsubscribe:https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
>>     <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l>,
>>     > <mailto:[hidden email]
>>     <mailto:[hidden email]>?subject=unsubscribe>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines
>>     at:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
>>     <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines>andhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
>>     <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l>
>>     New messages to:[hidden email]
>>     <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>     Unsubscribe:https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
>>     <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l>,
>>     <mailto:[hidden email]
>>     <mailto:[hidden email]>?subject=unsubscribe>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> James Heilman
>> MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
>>
>> The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
>> _______________________________________________
>> Affiliates mailing list
>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/affiliates
>
> *JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM*
> President, Wikimedia Philippines
>
> j <mailto:[hidden email]>[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]> | +63 (977) 831-7582
> Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor
> http://www.wikimedia.org.ph <http://www.wikimedia.org.ph/>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> [hidden email]
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/affiliates

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Maor Malul
Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |
www.wikimedia.org.ve <http://wikimedia.org.ve>
Member, Wikimedia Israel | www.wikimedia.org.il <http://wikimedia.org.il>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

Ting Chen-2
Hello dear all,

we try, and some times try very very hard to be nice and to protect
other people. But the world is some times not nice and some times really
really bad things happen. Just for the next time (and there will be next
times coming), my suggestion for the WMF and also for other committees
that will have to make hard decisions to consider: It may be more
helpful to decide to disclose details than be protective to individuals.
It may also be helpful for other organizations to avoid make similar
errors. Not decide to disclose is probably less helpful.

Just as a suggestion for thinking.

Greetings

Ting



Am 25.04.2017 um 09:05 schrieb Maor Malul:

> Hello Josh,
>
> The WMF and the AffCom have decided not to disclose further details of
> the very serious governance issues in order not to hurt the movement
> and the reputation of the people involved. Please, avoid misleading
> and adding drama to this situation -which is already difficult, and
> damages the movement as a whole. WMPH was given very specific
> recommendations of what do and what not to do, but decided to go its
> own way.
>
> M.
>
>
> El 25/04/2017 a las 06:17 a.m., Josh Lim escribió:
>> If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being “accountable”,
>> then I have serious doubts about how this process will remain
>> sustainable.
>>
>> I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly demotivating for
>> everyone involved.  I’ve been trying to keep myself composed
>> throughout the entire process, but at this point I simply cannot.
>>
>> I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than others.
>>  Every organization does.  But I will not allow the work that I’ve
>> dedicated over a decade of my life to be thrown out the window
>> because we weren’t “accountable”.  To the best of our ability, we
>> WERE accountable to our community and to the movement.  And I,
>> frankly, feet that we were as accountable as we could’ve been.
>>
>> You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this entire
>> process.  It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot, process the
>> grief this entire process has brought upon Wikimedia Philippines, and
>> especially myself.  I will try to be optimistic about the future, as
>> people have been telling me to do, but at this point in time, at
>> least have some respect for the work that we’ve done over the last
>> six years.  That’s really all I’m asking for at this point.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Josh
>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman <[hidden email]
>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of accountability.
>>> Hopefully this will encourage groups in the Philippines to become
>>> more active again.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia
>>> Israel<[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>wrote:
>>>
>>>     Thank you Maor for the update.
>>>
>>>     We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome
>>>     recognition of new
>>>     organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need
>>>     to check
>>>     and evaluate our current organizations.
>>>
>>>     Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and
>>>     while it's
>>>     not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to
>>>     recognize new
>>>     ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer
>>>     active or
>>>     non-compliance with our movement requirements.
>>>
>>>     Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses
>>>     what is a
>>>     "movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who
>>>     operate
>>>     outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a
>>>     significant part in
>>>     it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     *Regards,Itzik Edri*
>>>     Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
>>>     +972-54-5878078
>>>     <tel:%2B972-54-5878078> |http://www.wikimedia.org.il
>>>     <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/>
>>>     Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
>>>     share in the
>>>     sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul <[hidden email]
>>>     <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     > *
>>>     >
>>>     > Dear all,
>>>     >
>>>     > *
>>>     >
>>>     > **
>>>     >
>>>     > *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic
>>>     organization,
>>>     > or user group - allows an independent group to officially use
>>>     the Wikimedia
>>>     > name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and
>>>     > responsibilities.  While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to
>>>     the basic
>>>     > compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the
>>>     Wikimedia
>>>     > Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the
>>>     exceptional cases
>>>     > when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance
>>>     standards and
>>>     > their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a
>>>     risk to the
>>>     > Wikimedia movement.*
>>>     >
>>>     > *
>>>     >
>>>     > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their
>>>     > suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and
>>>     serious
>>>     > governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting
>>>     requirements
>>>     > which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings
>>>     regarding them,
>>>     > and on the date mentioned above,  was provided with an explicit
>>>     list of
>>>     > tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their
>>>     chapter
>>>     > agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the
>>>     deadline of
>>>     > November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they
>>>     would no longer
>>>     > be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of
>>>     their Chapter
>>>     > Agreement on March 1, 2017.  It is important to make clear
>>> that the
>>>     > Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized
>>>     Wikimedia
>>>     > communities and their activities in the Philippines.
>>>     >
>>>     > If you have questions about what this means for the community
>>>     members in
>>>     > their region or language areas, we have put together a very
>>>     basic FAQ,
>>>     > which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>>>     > wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/
>>>     > /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/
>>> <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/>
>>>     > Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > --
>>>     > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee
>>>     wayuukanairua
>>>     > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya
>>>     junain."
>>>     > Maor Malul
>>>     > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2
>>>     |www.wikimedia.org.ve <http://www.wikimedia.org.ve/>
>>>     > <http://wikimedia.org.ve <http://wikimedia.org.ve/>>
>>>     > Member, Wikimedia Israel |www.wikimedia.org.il
>>> <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/><http://wikimedia.org.il
>>>     <http://wikimedia.org.il/>>
>>>     > Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
>>>     > Phone:+972-52-4869915 <tel:%2B972-52-4869915>
>>>     > Twitter: @maor_x
>>>     > _______________________________________________
>>>     > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines
>>>     at:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik
>>>     > i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
>>>     andhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
>>>     <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l>
>>>     > New messages to:[hidden email]
>>>     <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>     >
>>> Unsubscribe:https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
>>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l>,
>>>     > <mailto:[hidden email]
>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>?subject=unsubscribe>
>>>     _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> James Heilman
>>> MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
>>>
>>> The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Affiliates mailing list
>>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/affiliates
>>
>> *JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM*
>> President, Wikimedia Philippines
>>
>> j <mailto:[hidden email]>[hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]> | +63 (977) 831-7582
>> Facebook/Twitter: akiestar | Wikimedia: Sky Harbor
>> http://www.wikimedia.org.ph <http://www.wikimedia.org.ph/>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

Gnangarra
In reply to this post by Maor Malul
It appears to me as this discussion has caused some confusion and it should
be clarified as I know that the Philippines had two members at the recent
Wikimedia Conference in Berlin arent there reporting requirements attached
to eligibility requirements. They are also part of the group organising the
ESEA conference in February 2018 along with a number of other affiliates in
the region. Those of us who have committed people, time and other resources
need some clarity as well

While there appears to be some confusion here, Affcom and WMF should at
least take some time to clarify the issues especially given its currently
2am in San Francisco and it was only 9pm when Joshes email was sent. To me
it appears as if no substantive discussion, consultation or investigation
of Joshes claims could have taken place to warrant such a harsh response so
quickly.

On 25 April 2017 at 16:05, Maor Malul <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello Josh,
>
> The WMF and the AffCom have decided not to disclose further details of the
> very serious governance issues in order not to hurt the movement and the
> reputation of the people involved. Please, avoid misleading and adding
> drama to this situation -which is already difficult, and damages the
> movement as a whole. WMPH was given very specific recommendations of what
> do and what not to do, but decided to go its own way.
>
> M.
>
>
> El 25/04/2017 a las 06:17 a.m., Josh Lim escribió:
>
>> If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being “accountable”, then I
>> have serious doubts about how this process will remain sustainable.
>>
>> I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly demotivating for
>> everyone involved.  I’ve been trying to keep myself composed throughout the
>> entire process, but at this point I simply cannot.
>>
>> I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than others.  Every
>> organization does.  But I will not allow the work that I’ve dedicated over
>> a decade of my life to be thrown out the window because we weren’t
>> “accountable”.  To the best of our ability, we WERE accountable to our
>> community and to the movement.  And I, frankly, feet that we were as
>> accountable as we could’ve been.
>>
>> You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this entire
>> process.  It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot, process the grief this
>> entire process has brought upon Wikimedia Philippines, and especially
>> myself.  I will try to be optimistic about the future, as people have been
>> telling me to do, but at this point in time, at least have some respect for
>> the work that we’ve done over the last six years.  That’s really all I’m
>> asking for at this point.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman <[hidden email] <mailto:
>>> [hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of accountability.
>>> Hopefully this will encourage groups in the Philippines to become more
>>> active again.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel<
>>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>wrote:
>>>
>>>     Thank you Maor for the update.
>>>
>>>     We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome
>>>     recognition of new
>>>     organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need
>>>     to check
>>>     and evaluate our current organizations.
>>>
>>>     Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and
>>>     while it's
>>>     not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to
>>>     recognize new
>>>     ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer
>>>     active or
>>>     non-compliance with our movement requirements.
>>>
>>>     Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses
>>>     what is a
>>>     "movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who
>>>     operate
>>>     outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a
>>>     significant part in
>>>     it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     *Regards,Itzik Edri*
>>>     Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
>>>     +972-54-5878078
>>>     <tel:%2B972-54-5878078> |http://www.wikimedia.org.il
>>>     <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/>
>>>     Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
>>>     share in the
>>>     sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul <[hidden email]
>>>     <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     > *
>>>     >
>>>     > Dear all,
>>>     >
>>>     > *
>>>     >
>>>     > **
>>>     >
>>>     > *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic
>>>     organization,
>>>     > or user group - allows an independent group to officially use
>>>     the Wikimedia
>>>     > name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and
>>>     > responsibilities.  While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to
>>>     the basic
>>>     > compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the
>>>     Wikimedia
>>>     > Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the
>>>     exceptional cases
>>>     > when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance
>>>     standards and
>>>     > their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a
>>>     risk to the
>>>     > Wikimedia movement.*
>>>     >
>>>     > *
>>>     >
>>>     > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their
>>>     > suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and
>>>     serious
>>>     > governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting
>>>     requirements
>>>     > which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings
>>>     regarding them,
>>>     > and on the date mentioned above,  was provided with an explicit
>>>     list of
>>>     > tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their
>>>     chapter
>>>     > agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the
>>>     deadline of
>>>     > November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they
>>>     would no longer
>>>     > be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of
>>>     their Chapter
>>>     > Agreement on March 1, 2017.  It is important to make clear that the
>>>     > Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized
>>>     Wikimedia
>>>     > communities and their activities in the Philippines.
>>>     >
>>>     > If you have questions about what this means for the community
>>>     members in
>>>     > their region or language areas, we have put together a very
>>>     basic FAQ,
>>>     > which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>>>     > wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/
>>>     > /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/
>>>     <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/>
>>>     > Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > --
>>>     > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee
>>>     wayuukanairua
>>>     > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya
>>>     junain."
>>>     > Maor Malul
>>>     > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2
>>>     |www.wikimedia.org.ve <http://www.wikimedia.org.ve/>
>>>     > <http://wikimedia.org.ve <http://wikimedia.org.ve/>>
>>>     > Member, Wikimedia Israel |www.wikimedia.org.il
>>>     <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/><http://wikimedia.org.il
>>>     <http://wikimedia.org.il/>>
>>>     > Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
>>>     > Phone:+972-52-4869915 <tel:%2B972-52-4869915>
>>>     > Twitter: @maor_x
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>>> --
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>>>
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>>
>> *JAMES JOSHUA G. LIM*
>> President, Wikimedia Philippines
>>
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> junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain."
> Maor Malul
> Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve
> <http://wikimedia.org.ve>
> Member, Wikimedia Israel | www.wikimedia.org.il <http://wikimedia.org.il>
> Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
> Phone: +972-52-4869915
> Twitter: @maor_x
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

Maor Malul
Hello,

The wikimedians from the Phillippines that attended the WMCON are /not
/members of WMPH but of PhilWiki Community [1], which is a completely
different Wikimedia affiliate.

If you read the original e-mail sent, the governance issues started to
appear in 2014, and the chapter was notified back then. More issues
accumulated over the time, and a solution was indeed searched for.
Please elaborate on what "substantive discussion, consultation or
investigation" means.


1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PhilWiki_Community


El 25/04/2017 a las 12:16 p.m., Gnangarra escribió:

> It appears to me as this discussion has caused some confusion and it
> should be clarified as I know that the Philippines had two members at
> the recent Wikimedia Conference in Berlin arent there reporting
> requirements attached to eligibility requirements. They are also part
> of the group organising the ESEA conference in February 2018 along
> with a number of other affiliates in the region. Those of us who have
> committed people, time and other resources need some clarity as well
>
> While there appears to be some confusion here, Affcom and WMF should
> at least take some time to clarify the issues especially given its
> currently 2am in San Francisco and it was only 9pm when Joshes email
> was sent. To me it appears as if no substantive discussion,
> consultation or investigation of Joshes claims could have taken place
> to warrant such a harsh response so quickly.
>
> On 25 April 2017 at 16:05, Maor Malul <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     Hello Josh,
>
>     The WMF and the AffCom have decided not to disclose further
>     details of the very serious governance issues in order not to hurt
>     the movement and the reputation of the people involved. Please,
>     avoid misleading and adding drama to this situation -which is
>     already difficult, and damages the movement as a whole. WMPH was
>     given very specific recommendations of what do and what not to do,
>     but decided to go its own way.
>
>     M.
>
>
>     El 25/04/2017 a las 06:17 a.m., Josh Lim escribió:
>
>         If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being
>         “accountable”, then I have serious doubts about how this
>         process will remain sustainable.
>
>         I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly demotivating
>         for everyone involved.  I’ve been trying to keep myself
>         composed throughout the entire process, but at this point I
>         simply cannot.
>
>         I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than
>         others.  Every organization does.  But I will not allow the
>         work that I’ve dedicated over a decade of my life to be thrown
>         out the window because we weren’t “accountable”.  To the best
>         of our ability, we WERE accountable to our community and to
>         the movement.  And I, frankly, feet that we were as
>         accountable as we could’ve been.
>
>         You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this
>         entire process.  It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot,
>         process the grief this entire process has brought upon
>         Wikimedia Philippines, and especially myself.  I will try to
>         be optimistic about the future, as people have been telling me
>         to do, but at this point in time, at least have some respect
>         for the work that we’ve done over the last six years.  That’s
>         really all I’m asking for at this point.
>
>         Thanks,
>
>         Josh
>
>             On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman
>             <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>             <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>> wrote:
>
>             I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of
>             accountability. Hopefully this will encourage groups in
>             the Philippines to become more active again.
>
>             James
>
>             On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia
>             Israel<[hidden email]
>             <mailto:[hidden email]>
>             <mailto:[hidden email]
>             <mailto:[hidden email]>>>wrote:
>
>                 Thank you Maor for the update.
>
>                 We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome
>                 recognition of new
>                 organizations, but I strongly believe that we
>             continuously need
>                 to check
>                 and evaluate our current organizations.
>
>                 Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core
>             assets - and
>                 while it's
>                 not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to
>                 recognize new
>                 ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are
>             not longer
>                 active or
>                 non-compliance with our movement requirements.
>
>                 Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to
>             start discuses
>                 what is a
>                 "movement accountability" and how we evaluate
>             organizations who
>                 operate
>                 outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a
>                 significant part in
>                 it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                 *Regards,Itzik Edri*
>                 Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
>                 +972-54-5878078
>                 <tel:%2B972-54-5878078> |http://www.wikimedia.org.il
>                 <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/>
>                 Imagine a world in which every single human being can
>             freely
>                 share in the
>                 sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
>
>
>                 On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul
>             <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>                 <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>> wrote:
>
>                 > *
>                 >
>                 > Dear all,
>                 >
>                 > *
>                 >
>                 > **
>                 >
>                 > *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter,
>             thematic
>                 organization,
>                 > or user group - allows an independent group to
>             officially use
>                 the Wikimedia
>                 > name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain
>             duties and
>                 > responsibilities.  While most Wikimedia affiliates
>             adhere to
>                 the basic
>                 > compliance standards set forth in their agreements
>             with the
>                 Wikimedia
>                 > Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the
>                 exceptional cases
>                 > when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum
>             compliance
>                 standards and
>                 > their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate
>             presents a
>                 risk to the
>                 > Wikimedia movement.*
>                 >
>                 > *
>                 >
>                 > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was
>             notified of their
>                 > suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long
>             standing and
>                 serious
>                 > governance issues, as well as non-compliance with
>             reporting
>                 requirements
>                 > which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple
>             warnings
>                 regarding them,
>                 > and on the date mentioned above,  was provided with
>             an explicit
>                 list of
>                 > tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance
>             with their
>                 chapter
>                 > agreement. The chapter failed to complete these
>             tasks by the
>                 deadline of
>                 > November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified
>             that they
>                 would no longer
>                 > be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the
>             termination of
>                 their Chapter
>                 > Agreement on March 1, 2017.  It is important to make
>             clear that the
>                 > Affiliations Committee will continue to support
>             other organized
>                 Wikimedia
>                 > communities and their activities in the Philippines.
>                 >
>                 > If you have questions about what this means for the
>             community
>                 members in
>                 > their region or language areas, we have put together
>             a very
>                 basic FAQ,
>                 > which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>                 >
>             wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/
>                 >
>             /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/
>             <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/>
>                
>             <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/
>             <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/>>
>                 > Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
>                 >
>                 >
>                 > --
>                 > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü
>             alijunakalirua jee
>                 wayuukanairua
>                 > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka.
>             Ayatashi waya
>                 junain."
>                 > Maor Malul
>                 > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2
>                 |www.wikimedia.org.ve <http://www.wikimedia.org.ve>
>             <http://www.wikimedia.org.ve/>
>                 > <http://wikimedia.org.ve <http://wikimedia.org.ve/>>
>                 > Member, Wikimedia Israel |www.wikimedia.org.il
>             <http://www.wikimedia.org.il>
>                 <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/><http://wikimedia.org.il
>                 <http://wikimedia.org.il/>>
>                 > Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
>                 > Phone:+972-52-4869915 <tel:%2B972-52-4869915>
>                 > Twitter: @maor_x
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

Maor Malul
In reply to this post by Ting Chen-2
Thanks Ting,

It was indeed a hard decision, but like you say, disclosing details may
avoid rumours and drama, which probably cause more damage to the
movement. We'll raise your observation with the WMF and see if that can
implemented. Anyway, I also hope no more affiliates have to be
de-recognized, because with each one of them gone, is a punch in the
face of the movement.

M.


El 25/04/2017 a las 12:12 p.m., Ting Chen escribió:

> Hello dear all,
>
> we try, and some times try very very hard to be nice and to protect
> other people. But the world is some times not nice and some times
> really really bad things happen. Just for the next time (and there
> will be next times coming), my suggestion for the WMF and also for
> other committees that will have to make hard decisions to consider: It
> may be more helpful to decide to disclose details than be protective
> to individuals. It may also be helpful for other organizations to
> avoid make similar errors. Not decide to disclose is probably less
> helpful.
>
> Just as a suggestion for thinking.
>
> Greetings
>
> Ting
>
>
>
> Am 25.04.2017 um 09:05 schrieb Maor Malul:
>> Hello Josh,
>>
>> The WMF and the AffCom have decided not to disclose further details
>> of the very serious governance issues in order not to hurt the
>> movement and the reputation of the people involved. Please, avoid
>> misleading and adding drama to this situation -which is already
>> difficult, and damages the movement as a whole. WMPH was given very
>> specific recommendations of what do and what not to do, but decided
>> to go its own way.
>>
>> M.
>>
>>
>> El 25/04/2017 a las 06:17 a.m., Josh Lim escribió:
>>> If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being “accountable”,
>>> then I have serious doubts about how this process will remain
>>> sustainable.
>>>
>>> I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly demotivating for
>>> everyone involved.  I’ve been trying to keep myself composed
>>> throughout the entire process, but at this point I simply cannot.
>>>
>>> I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than others.
>>>  Every organization does.  But I will not allow the work that I’ve
>>> dedicated over a decade of my life to be thrown out the window
>>> because we weren’t “accountable”.  To the best of our ability, we
>>> WERE accountable to our community and to the movement.  And I,
>>> frankly, feet that we were as accountable as we could’ve been.
>>>
>>> You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this entire
>>> process.  It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot, process the
>>> grief this entire process has brought upon Wikimedia Philippines,
>>> and especially myself.  I will try to be optimistic about the
>>> future, as people have been telling me to do, but at this point in
>>> time, at least have some respect for the work that we’ve done over
>>> the last six years.  That’s really all I’m asking for at this point.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>>> On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman <[hidden email]
>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of accountability.
>>>> Hopefully this will encourage groups in the Philippines to become
>>>> more active again.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia
>>>> Israel<[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Thank you Maor for the update.
>>>>
>>>>     We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome
>>>>     recognition of new
>>>>     organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need
>>>>     to check
>>>>     and evaluate our current organizations.
>>>>
>>>>     Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and
>>>>     while it's
>>>>     not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to
>>>>     recognize new
>>>>     ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer
>>>>     active or
>>>>     non-compliance with our movement requirements.
>>>>
>>>>     Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses
>>>>     what is a
>>>>     "movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who
>>>>     operate
>>>>     outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a
>>>>     significant part in
>>>>     it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     *Regards,Itzik Edri*
>>>>     Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
>>>>     +972-54-5878078
>>>>     <tel:%2B972-54-5878078> |http://www.wikimedia.org.il
>>>>     <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/>
>>>>     Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
>>>>     share in the
>>>>     sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul <[hidden email]
>>>>     <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     > *
>>>>     >
>>>>     > Dear all,
>>>>     >
>>>>     > *
>>>>     >
>>>>     > **
>>>>     >
>>>>     > *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic
>>>>     organization,
>>>>     > or user group - allows an independent group to officially use
>>>>     the Wikimedia
>>>>     > name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and
>>>>     > responsibilities.  While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to
>>>>     the basic
>>>>     > compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the
>>>>     Wikimedia
>>>>     > Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the
>>>>     exceptional cases
>>>>     > when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance
>>>>     standards and
>>>>     > their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a
>>>>     risk to the
>>>>     > Wikimedia movement.*
>>>>     >
>>>>     > *
>>>>     >
>>>>     > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of
>>>> their
>>>>     > suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and
>>>>     serious
>>>>     > governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting
>>>>     requirements
>>>>     > which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings
>>>>     regarding them,
>>>>     > and on the date mentioned above,  was provided with an explicit
>>>>     list of
>>>>     > tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their
>>>>     chapter
>>>>     > agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the
>>>>     deadline of
>>>>     > November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they
>>>>     would no longer
>>>>     > be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of
>>>>     their Chapter
>>>>     > Agreement on March 1, 2017.  It is important to make clear
>>>> that the
>>>>     > Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized
>>>>     Wikimedia
>>>>     > communities and their activities in the Philippines.
>>>>     >
>>>>     > If you have questions about what this means for the community
>>>>     members in
>>>>     > their region or language areas, we have put together a very
>>>>     basic FAQ,
>>>>     > which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>>>>     > wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/
>>>>     > /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/
>>>> <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/>
>>>>     > Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
>>>>     >
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>>>>     junain."
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

Ilario Valdelli
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I think that the biggest misunderstanding is in the acronym because in the
page the Phil-community uses the acronym of WMPH which seems more connected
to WM Philippines instead of PH-WC.

Kind regards

On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Maor Malul <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> The wikimedians from the Phillippines that attended the WMCON are /not
> /members of WMPH but of PhilWiki Community [1], which is a completely
> different Wikimedia affiliate.
>
> If you read the original e-mail sent, the governance issues started to
> appear in 2014, and the chapter was notified back then. More issues
> accumulated over the time, and a solution was indeed searched for. Please
> elaborate on what "substantive discussion, consultation or investigation"
> means.
>
>
> 1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PhilWiki_Community
>
>
> El 25/04/2017 a las 12:16 p.m., Gnangarra escribió:
>
>> It appears to me as this discussion has caused some confusion and it
>> should be clarified as I know that the Philippines had two members at the
>> recent Wikimedia Conference in Berlin arent there reporting requirements
>> attached to eligibility requirements. They are also part of the group
>> organising the ESEA conference in February 2018 along with a number of
>> other affiliates in the region. Those of us who have committed people, time
>> and other resources need some clarity as well
>>
>> While there appears to be some confusion here, Affcom and WMF should at
>> least take some time to clarify the issues especially given its currently
>> 2am in San Francisco and it was only 9pm when Joshes email was sent. To me
>> it appears as if no substantive discussion, consultation or investigation
>> of Joshes claims could have taken place to warrant such a harsh response so
>> quickly.
>>
>> On 25 April 2017 at 16:05, Maor Malul <[hidden email] <mailto:
>> [hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hello Josh,
>>
>>     The WMF and the AffCom have decided not to disclose further
>>     details of the very serious governance issues in order not to hurt
>>     the movement and the reputation of the people involved. Please,
>>     avoid misleading and adding drama to this situation -which is
>>     already difficult, and damages the movement as a whole. WMPH was
>>     given very specific recommendations of what do and what not to do,
>>     but decided to go its own way.
>>
>>     M.
>>
>>
>>     El 25/04/2017 a las 06:17 a.m., Josh Lim escribió:
>>
>>         If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being
>>         “accountable”, then I have serious doubts about how this
>>         process will remain sustainable.
>>
>>         I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly demotivating
>>         for everyone involved.  I’ve been trying to keep myself
>>         composed throughout the entire process, but at this point I
>>         simply cannot.
>>
>>         I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than
>>         others.  Every organization does.  But I will not allow the
>>         work that I’ve dedicated over a decade of my life to be thrown
>>         out the window because we weren’t “accountable”.  To the best
>>         of our ability, we WERE accountable to our community and to
>>         the movement.  And I, frankly, feet that we were as
>>         accountable as we could’ve been.
>>
>>         You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this
>>         entire process.  It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot,
>>         process the grief this entire process has brought upon
>>         Wikimedia Philippines, and especially myself.  I will try to
>>         be optimistic about the future, as people have been telling me
>>         to do, but at this point in time, at least have some respect
>>         for the work that we’ve done over the last six years.  That’s
>>         really all I’m asking for at this point.
>>
>>         Thanks,
>>
>>         Josh
>>
>>             On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman
>>             <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>             <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>> wrote:
>>
>>             I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of
>>             accountability. Hopefully this will encourage groups in
>>             the Philippines to become more active again.
>>
>>             James
>>
>>             On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia
>>             Israel<[hidden email]
>>             <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>             <mailto:[hidden email]
>>
>>             <mailto:[hidden email]>>>wrote:
>>
>>                 Thank you Maor for the update.
>>
>>                 We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome
>>                 recognition of new
>>                 organizations, but I strongly believe that we
>>             continuously need
>>                 to check
>>                 and evaluate our current organizations.
>>
>>                 Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core
>>             assets - and
>>                 while it's
>>                 not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to
>>                 recognize new
>>                 ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are
>>             not longer
>>                 active or
>>                 non-compliance with our movement requirements.
>>
>>                 Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to
>>             start discuses
>>                 what is a
>>                 "movement accountability" and how we evaluate
>>             organizations who
>>                 operate
>>                 outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a
>>                 significant part in
>>                 it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                 *Regards,Itzik Edri*
>>                 Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
>>                 +972-54-5878078
>>                 <tel:%2B972-54-5878078> |http://www.wikimedia.org.il
>>                 <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/>
>>                 Imagine a world in which every single human being can
>>             freely
>>                 share in the
>>                 sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
>>
>>
>>                 On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul
>>             <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>                 <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>> wrote:
>>
>>                 > *
>>                 >
>>                 > Dear all,
>>                 >
>>                 > *
>>                 >
>>                 > **
>>                 >
>>                 > *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter,
>>             thematic
>>                 organization,
>>                 > or user group - allows an independent group to
>>             officially use
>>                 the Wikimedia
>>                 > name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain
>>             duties and
>>                 > responsibilities.  While most Wikimedia affiliates
>>             adhere to
>>                 the basic
>>                 > compliance standards set forth in their agreements
>>             with the
>>                 Wikimedia
>>                 > Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the
>>                 exceptional cases
>>                 > when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum
>>             compliance
>>                 standards and
>>                 > their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate
>>             presents a
>>                 risk to the
>>                 > Wikimedia movement.*
>>                 >
>>                 > *
>>                 >
>>                 > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was
>>             notified of their
>>                 > suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long
>>             standing and
>>                 serious
>>                 > governance issues, as well as non-compliance with
>>             reporting
>>                 requirements
>>                 > which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple
>>             warnings
>>                 regarding them,
>>                 > and on the date mentioned above,  was provided with
>>             an explicit
>>                 list of
>>                 > tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance
>>             with their
>>                 chapter
>>                 > agreement. The chapter failed to complete these
>>             tasks by the
>>                 deadline of
>>                 > November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified
>>             that they
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>>                 > Agreement on March 1, 2017.  It is important to make
>>             clear that the
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>>             other organized
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>>                 > If you have questions about what this means for the
>>             community
>>                 members in
>>                 > their region or language areas, we have put together
>>             a very
>>                 basic FAQ,
>>                 > which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>>                 >
>>             wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/
>>                 >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

Gnangarra
In reply to this post by Maor Malul
In the original email from Josh he raises some points about still working
to address the issues in the five hours between his email and your response
which have occurred between 9pm and 2am in San Francisco it appears that it
could not be possible for the WMF to have considered and refuted what was
raised, especially to say
*"The WMF and the AffCom have decided not to disclose further details​."   *​I
am concerned about how you can speak so categorically after just 5 hours
for the WMF when they arent even awake​, especially given it normally takes
a few days for any official statement from the WMF.

I have no problem with affiliates being deregistered but the process should
be transparent and it should also be fair, no discussion or response to
what Josh raised publically is neither fair nor transparent

Josh response was that WMPH was accountable you could have least given him
the chance to clarify the availability of the reporting requirements by
providing them


On 25 April 2017 at 17:33, Maor Malul <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> The wikimedians from the Phillippines that attended the WMCON are /not
> /members of WMPH but of PhilWiki Community [1], which is a completely
> different Wikimedia affiliate.
>
> If you read the original e-mail sent, the governance issues started to
> appear in 2014, and the chapter was notified back then. More issues
> accumulated over the time, and a solution was indeed searched for. Please
> elaborate on what "substantive discussion, consultation or investigation"
> means.
>
>
> 1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PhilWiki_Community
>
>
> El 25/04/2017 a las 12:16 p.m., Gnangarra escribió:
>
>> It appears to me as this discussion has caused some confusion and it
>> should be clarified as I know that the Philippines had two members at the
>> recent Wikimedia Conference in Berlin arent there reporting requirements
>> attached to eligibility requirements. They are also part of the group
>> organising the ESEA conference in February 2018 along with a number of
>> other affiliates in the region. Those of us who have committed people, time
>> and other resources need some clarity as well
>>
>> While there appears to be some confusion here, Affcom and WMF should at
>> least take some time to clarify the issues especially given its currently
>> 2am in San Francisco and it was only 9pm when Joshes email was sent. To me
>> it appears as if no substantive discussion, consultation or investigation
>> of Joshes claims could have taken place to warrant such a harsh response so
>> quickly.
>>
>> On 25 April 2017 at 16:05, Maor Malul <[hidden email] <mailto:
>> [hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hello Josh,
>>
>>     The WMF and the AffCom have decided not to disclose further
>>     details of the very serious governance issues in order not to hurt
>>     the movement and the reputation of the people involved. Please,
>>     avoid misleading and adding drama to this situation -which is
>>     already difficult, and damages the movement as a whole. WMPH was
>>     given very specific recommendations of what do and what not to do,
>>     but decided to go its own way.
>>
>>     M.
>>
>>
>>     El 25/04/2017 a las 06:17 a.m., Josh Lim escribió:
>>
>>         If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being
>>         “accountable”, then I have serious doubts about how this
>>         process will remain sustainable.
>>
>>         I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly demotivating
>>         for everyone involved.  I’ve been trying to keep myself
>>         composed throughout the entire process, but at this point I
>>         simply cannot.
>>
>>         I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than
>>         others.  Every organization does.  But I will not allow the
>>         work that I’ve dedicated over a decade of my life to be thrown
>>         out the window because we weren’t “accountable”.  To the best
>>         of our ability, we WERE accountable to our community and to
>>         the movement.  And I, frankly, feet that we were as
>>         accountable as we could’ve been.
>>
>>         You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this
>>         entire process.  It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot,
>>         process the grief this entire process has brought upon
>>         Wikimedia Philippines, and especially myself.  I will try to
>>         be optimistic about the future, as people have been telling me
>>         to do, but at this point in time, at least have some respect
>>         for the work that we’ve done over the last six years.  That’s
>>         really all I’m asking for at this point.
>>
>>         Thanks,
>>
>>         Josh
>>
>>             On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman
>>             <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>             <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>> wrote:
>>
>>             I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of
>>             accountability. Hopefully this will encourage groups in
>>             the Philippines to become more active again.
>>
>>             James
>>
>>             On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia
>>             Israel<[hidden email]
>>             <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>             <mailto:[hidden email]
>>
>>             <mailto:[hidden email]>>>wrote:
>>
>>                 Thank you Maor for the update.
>>
>>                 We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome
>>                 recognition of new
>>                 organizations, but I strongly believe that we
>>             continuously need
>>                 to check
>>                 and evaluate our current organizations.
>>
>>                 Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core
>>             assets - and
>>                 while it's
>>                 not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to
>>                 recognize new
>>                 ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are
>>             not longer
>>                 active or
>>                 non-compliance with our movement requirements.
>>
>>                 Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to
>>             start discuses
>>                 what is a
>>                 "movement accountability" and how we evaluate
>>             organizations who
>>                 operate
>>                 outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a
>>                 significant part in
>>                 it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                 *Regards,Itzik Edri*
>>                 Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
>>                 +972-54-5878078
>>                 <tel:%2B972-54-5878078> |http://www.wikimedia.org.il
>>                 <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/>
>>                 Imagine a world in which every single human being can
>>             freely
>>                 share in the
>>                 sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
>>
>>
>>                 On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul
>>             <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>                 <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>> wrote:
>>
>>                 > *
>>                 >
>>                 > Dear all,
>>                 >
>>                 > *
>>                 >
>>                 > **
>>                 >
>>                 > *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter,
>>             thematic
>>                 organization,
>>                 > or user group - allows an independent group to
>>             officially use
>>                 the Wikimedia
>>                 > name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain
>>             duties and
>>                 > responsibilities.  While most Wikimedia affiliates
>>             adhere to
>>                 the basic
>>                 > compliance standards set forth in their agreements
>>             with the
>>                 Wikimedia
>>                 > Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the
>>                 exceptional cases
>>                 > when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum
>>             compliance
>>                 standards and
>>                 > their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate
>>             presents a
>>                 risk to the
>>                 > Wikimedia movement.*
>>                 >
>>                 > *
>>                 >
>>                 > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was
>>             notified of their
>>                 > suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long
>>             standing and
>>                 serious
>>                 > governance issues, as well as non-compliance with
>>             reporting
>>                 requirements
>>                 > which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple
>>             warnings
>>                 regarding them,
>>                 > and on the date mentioned above,  was provided with
>>             an explicit
>>                 list of
>>                 > tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance
>>             with their
>>                 chapter
>>                 > agreement. The chapter failed to complete these
>>             tasks by the
>>                 deadline of
>>                 > November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified
>>             that they
>>                 would no longer
>>                 > be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the
>>             termination of
>>                 their Chapter
>>                 > Agreement on March 1, 2017.  It is important to make
>>             clear that the
>>                 > Affiliations Committee will continue to support
>>             other organized
>>                 Wikimedia
>>                 > communities and their activities in the Philippines.
>>                 >
>>                 > If you have questions about what this means for the
>>             community
>>                 members in
>>                 > their region or language areas, we have put together
>>             a very
>>                 basic FAQ,
>>                 > which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>>                 >
>>             wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/
>>                 >
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>> s/>
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>> ki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/
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>> s/>>
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>>                 > --
>>                 > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü
>>             alijunakalirua jee
>>                 wayuukanairua
>>                 > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka.
>>             Ayatashi waya
>>                 junain."
>>                 > Maor Malul
>>                 > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2
>>                 |www.wikimedia.org.ve <http://www.wikimedia.org.ve>
>>             <http://www.wikimedia.org.ve/>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines

Ting Chen-2
Hello Gnangarra,

I joined AffCom in 2015, at that time the issue with Wikimedia
Philippines was already on the table. The AffCom and the WMF had tried
two years to get a settlement without a de-recognition with them.
Meanwhile it is 2017, I don't believe Josh could resolve the problem in
the last five hours which the entire Wikimedia Philippines was not able
to resolve in the past two years. As I said in my other post, I
personally don't think it wise to withhold information, especially
obviously the people who would be "protected" don't appreciate being
protected. But actually on the decision itself if there is something the
AffCom is to be blamed, it is that it took them two years of time to
make that hard decision. It was overdue, actually.

Greetings

Ting


Am 25.04.2017 um 11:43 schrieb Gnangarra:

> In the original email from Josh he raises some points about still working
> to address the issues in the five hours between his email and your response
> which have occurred between 9pm and 2am in San Francisco it appears that it
> could not be possible for the WMF to have considered and refuted what was
> raised, especially to say
> *"The WMF and the AffCom have decided not to disclose further details​."   *​I
> am concerned about how you can speak so categorically after just 5 hours
> for the WMF when they arent even awake​, especially given it normally takes
> a few days for any official statement from the WMF.
>
> I have no problem with affiliates being deregistered but the process should
> be transparent and it should also be fair, no discussion or response to
> what Josh raised publically is neither fair nor transparent
>
> Josh response was that WMPH was accountable you could have least given him
> the chance to clarify the availability of the reporting requirements by
> providing them
>
>
> On 25 April 2017 at 17:33, Maor Malul <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The wikimedians from the Phillippines that attended the WMCON are /not
>> /members of WMPH but of PhilWiki Community [1], which is a completely
>> different Wikimedia affiliate.
>>
>> If you read the original e-mail sent, the governance issues started to
>> appear in 2014, and the chapter was notified back then. More issues
>> accumulated over the time, and a solution was indeed searched for. Please
>> elaborate on what "substantive discussion, consultation or investigation"
>> means.
>>
>>
>> 1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PhilWiki_Community
>>
>>
>> El 25/04/2017 a las 12:16 p.m., Gnangarra escribió:
>>
>>> It appears to me as this discussion has caused some confusion and it
>>> should be clarified as I know that the Philippines had two members at the
>>> recent Wikimedia Conference in Berlin arent there reporting requirements
>>> attached to eligibility requirements. They are also part of the group
>>> organising the ESEA conference in February 2018 along with a number of
>>> other affiliates in the region. Those of us who have committed people, time
>>> and other resources need some clarity as well
>>>
>>> While there appears to be some confusion here, Affcom and WMF should at
>>> least take some time to clarify the issues especially given its currently
>>> 2am in San Francisco and it was only 9pm when Joshes email was sent. To me
>>> it appears as if no substantive discussion, consultation or investigation
>>> of Joshes claims could have taken place to warrant such a harsh response so
>>> quickly.
>>>
>>> On 25 April 2017 at 16:05, Maor Malul <[hidden email] <mailto:
>>> [hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>      Hello Josh,
>>>
>>>      The WMF and the AffCom have decided not to disclose further
>>>      details of the very serious governance issues in order not to hurt
>>>      the movement and the reputation of the people involved. Please,
>>>      avoid misleading and adding drama to this situation -which is
>>>      already difficult, and damages the movement as a whole. WMPH was
>>>      given very specific recommendations of what do and what not to do,
>>>      but decided to go its own way.
>>>
>>>      M.
>>>
>>>
>>>      El 25/04/2017 a las 06:17 a.m., Josh Lim escribió:
>>>
>>>          If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being
>>>          “accountable”, then I have serious doubts about how this
>>>          process will remain sustainable.
>>>
>>>          I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly demotivating
>>>          for everyone involved.  I’ve been trying to keep myself
>>>          composed throughout the entire process, but at this point I
>>>          simply cannot.
>>>
>>>          I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than
>>>          others.  Every organization does.  But I will not allow the
>>>          work that I’ve dedicated over a decade of my life to be thrown
>>>          out the window because we weren’t “accountable”.  To the best
>>>          of our ability, we WERE accountable to our community and to
>>>          the movement.  And I, frankly, feet that we were as
>>>          accountable as we could’ve been.
>>>
>>>          You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this
>>>          entire process.  It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot,
>>>          process the grief this entire process has brought upon
>>>          Wikimedia Philippines, and especially myself.  I will try to
>>>          be optimistic about the future, as people have been telling me
>>>          to do, but at this point in time, at least have some respect
>>>          for the work that we’ve done over the last six years.  That’s
>>>          really all I’m asking for at this point.
>>>
>>>          Thanks,
>>>
>>>          Josh
>>>
>>>              On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman
>>>              <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>              <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>              I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of
>>>              accountability. Hopefully this will encourage groups in
>>>              the Philippines to become more active again.
>>>
>>>              James
>>>
>>>              On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia
>>>              Israel<[hidden email]
>>>              <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>              <mailto:[hidden email]
>>>
>>>              <mailto:[hidden email]>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>                  Thank you Maor for the update.
>>>
>>>                  We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome
>>>                  recognition of new
>>>                  organizations, but I strongly believe that we
>>>              continuously need
>>>                  to check
>>>                  and evaluate our current organizations.
>>>
>>>                  Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core
>>>              assets - and
>>>                  while it's
>>>                  not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to
>>>                  recognize new
>>>                  ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are
>>>              not longer
>>>                  active or
>>>                  non-compliance with our movement requirements.
>>>
>>>                  Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to
>>>              start discuses
>>>                  what is a
>>>                  "movement accountability" and how we evaluate
>>>              organizations who
>>>                  operate
>>>                  outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a
>>>                  significant part in
>>>                  it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                  *Regards,Itzik Edri*
>>>                  Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
>>>                  +972-54-5878078
>>>                  <tel:%2B972-54-5878078> |http://www.wikimedia.org.il
>>>                  <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/>
>>>                  Imagine a world in which every single human being can
>>>              freely
>>>                  share in the
>>>                  sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
>>>
>>>
>>>                  On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul
>>>              <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>                  <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                  > *
>>>                  >
>>>                  > Dear all,
>>>                  >
>>>                  > *
>>>                  >
>>>                  > **
>>>                  >
>>>                  > *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter,
>>>              thematic
>>>                  organization,
>>>                  > or user group - allows an independent group to
>>>              officially use
>>>                  the Wikimedia
>>>                  > name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain
>>>              duties and
>>>                  > responsibilities.  While most Wikimedia affiliates
>>>              adhere to
>>>                  the basic
>>>                  > compliance standards set forth in their agreements
>>>              with the
>>>                  Wikimedia
>>>                  > Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the
>>>                  exceptional cases
>>>                  > when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum
>>>              compliance
>>>                  standards and
>>>                  > their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate
>>>              presents a
>>>                  risk to the
>>>                  > Wikimedia movement.*
>>>                  >
>>>                  > *
>>>                  >
>>>                  > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was
>>>              notified of their
>>>                  > suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long
>>>              standing and
>>>                  serious
>>>                  > governance issues, as well as non-compliance with
>>>              reporting
>>>                  requirements
>>>                  > which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple
>>>              warnings
>>>                  regarding them,
>>>                  > and on the date mentioned above,  was provided with
>>>              an explicit
>>>                  list of
>>>                  > tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance
>>>              with their
>>>                  chapter
>>>                  > agreement. The chapter failed to complete these
>>>              tasks by the
>>>                  deadline of
>>>                  > November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified
>>>              that they
>>>                  would no longer
>>>                  > be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the
>>>              termination of
>>>                  their Chapter
>>>                  > Agreement on March 1, 2017.  It is important to make
>>>              clear that the
>>>                  > Affiliations Committee will continue to support
>>>              other organized
>>>                  Wikimedia
>>>                  > communities and their activities in the Philippines.
>>>                  >
>>>                  > If you have questions about what this means for the
>>>              community
>>>                  members in
>>>                  > their region or language areas, we have put together
>>>              a very
>>>                  basic FAQ,
>>>                  > which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>>>                  >
>>>              wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/
>>>                  >
>>>              /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/
>>>              <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate
>>> s/>
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>>>                  > Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.*
>>>                  >
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>>>              Ayatashi waya
>>>                  junain."
>>>                  > Maor Malul
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