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[Wikimedia-l] Copyright enforcement?

The Cunctator
I've been a bit out of the loop on this for a while, so please be kind to
the oldbie - what's current Wikimedia policy on adaptive reuse of Wikipedia
content into non-free publications?

E.g. Graphiq
https://www.graphiq.com/terms-and-conditions
http://colleges.startclass.com/l/1929/Harvard-University

and Google
https://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/terms/
https://www.google.com/search?q=harvard+university

I recognize that Google gives Wikimedia a lot of money, even if the
foundation isn't very transparent about that, but I'd think that doesn't
free the company from following CC BY-SA.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright enforcement?

jmh649
Well "fair use" applies, but if the amount of content used goes beyond fair
use than it needs to be indicated that the content is under an open license.

J

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 10:32 AM, The Cunctator <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I've been a bit out of the loop on this for a while, so please be kind to
> the oldbie - what's current Wikimedia policy on adaptive reuse of Wikipedia
> content into non-free publications?
>
> E.g. Graphiq
> https://www.graphiq.com/terms-and-conditions
> http://colleges.startclass.com/l/1929/Harvard-University
>
> and Google
> https://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/terms/
> https://www.google.com/search?q=harvard+university
>
> I recognize that Google gives Wikimedia a lot of money, even if the
> foundation isn't very transparent about that, but I'd think that doesn't
> free the company from following CC BY-SA.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright enforcement?

The Cunctator
Both Google and Graphiq are using pretty much the entire Wikipedia corpus
for their results.

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 12:40 PM, James Heilman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Well "fair use" applies, but if the amount of content used goes beyond fair
> use than it needs to be indicated that the content is under an open
> license.
>
> J
>
> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 10:32 AM, The Cunctator <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > I've been a bit out of the loop on this for a while, so please be kind to
> > the oldbie - what's current Wikimedia policy on adaptive reuse of
> Wikipedia
> > content into non-free publications?
> >
> > E.g. Graphiq
> > https://www.graphiq.com/terms-and-conditions
> > http://colleges.startclass.com/l/1929/Harvard-University
> >
> > and Google
> > https://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/terms/
> > https://www.google.com/search?q=harvard+university
> >
> > I recognize that Google gives Wikimedia a lot of money, even if the
> > foundation isn't very transparent about that, but I'd think that doesn't
> > free the company from following CC BY-SA.
> > _______________________________________________
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright enforcement?

Gerard Meijssen-3
Hoi,
Yes, probably and in the process they do exactly what we aim to achieve;
share in the sum of all knowledge. What they do not do is claim copyright.
They are the number one referral site for our traffic.

You may be right in a narrow sense but it will ill serve us to do something
about it.
Thanks,
       GerardM

On 5 June 2017 at 19:32, The Cunctator <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Both Google and Graphiq are using pretty much the entire Wikipedia corpus
> for their results.
>
> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 12:40 PM, James Heilman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Well "fair use" applies, but if the amount of content used goes beyond
> fair
> > use than it needs to be indicated that the content is under an open
> > license.
> >
> > J
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 10:32 AM, The Cunctator <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I've been a bit out of the loop on this for a while, so please be kind
> to
> > > the oldbie - what's current Wikimedia policy on adaptive reuse of
> > Wikipedia
> > > content into non-free publications?
> > >
> > > E.g. Graphiq
> > > https://www.graphiq.com/terms-and-conditions
> > > http://colleges.startclass.com/l/1929/Harvard-University
> > >
> > > and Google
> > > https://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/terms/
> > > https://www.google.com/search?q=harvard+university
> > >
> > > I recognize that Google gives Wikimedia a lot of money, even if the
> > > foundation isn't very transparent about that, but I'd think that
> doesn't
> > > free the company from following CC BY-SA.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
> >
> > The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright enforcement?

geni
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On 5 June 2017 at 18:32, The Cunctator <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Both Google and Graphiq are using pretty much the entire Wikipedia corpus
> for their results.


However due to the way their output is structured it falls under "you
can't copyright facts".


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright enforcement?

jmh649
It search result only contains a snippet (and thus is fair use). Plus
Google provide attribution in a lot of their results.

J

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 1:03 PM, geni <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 5 June 2017 at 18:32, The Cunctator <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Both Google and Graphiq are using pretty much the entire Wikipedia corpus
> > for their results.
>
>
> However due to the way their output is structured it falls under "you
> can't copyright facts".
>
>
> --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright enforcement?

Strainu
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2017-06-05 19:32 GMT+03:00 The Cunctator <[hidden email]>:

> I've been a bit out of the loop on this for a while, so please be kind to
> the oldbie - what's current Wikimedia policy on adaptive reuse of Wikipedia
> content into non-free publications?
>
> E.g. Graphiq
> https://www.graphiq.com/terms-and-conditions
> http://colleges.startclass.com/l/1929/Harvard-University
>
> and Google
> https://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/terms/
> https://www.google.com/search?q=harvard+university
>
> I recognize that Google gives Wikimedia a lot of money, even if the
> foundation isn't very transparent about that, but I'd think that doesn't
> free the company from following CC BY-SA.

I think you're bang on one of the main topics of the copyright reform
discussion currently happening in Europe - should people and companies
be allowed to link and/or display a small part of a copyrighted work?
I haven't followed the issue in the last few months, but the latest
proposals from the Commission basically meant no more links or
excerpts (experts: please bear this oversimplification, I know the
wording is not exactly this).

AFAIK our public policy team has the opposite position - that such
reuse should be permitted. Remember, we're also content consumers, not
just content producers, so such legislation would also hit us hard.

If you want to know more about these debates, a good place to start
would be the public policy portal [1]. Also check out the wiki page
[2] and the mailing list [3].

Regards,
  Strainu

[1] https://policy.wikimedia.org/
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Public_policy
[3] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright enforcement?

The Cunctator
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The copyright requirement isn't attribution; it's attribution and copyleft
retention for derived works.

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 12:28 AM, James Heilman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> It search result only contains a snippet (and thus is fair use). Plus
> Google provide attribution in a lot of their results.
>
> J
>
> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 1:03 PM, geni <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > On 5 June 2017 at 18:32, The Cunctator <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > Both Google and Graphiq are using pretty much the entire Wikipedia
> corpus
> > > for their results.
> >
> >
> > However due to the way their output is structured it falls under "you
> > can't copyright facts".
> >
> >
> > --
> > geni
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright enforcement?

James Salsman-2
Attribution is often considered impractical, but providing the source
date along with e.g. the article name can be used to derive the
attribution, so it should be required. It's not just a good idea to
require this information from content re-users like Amazon, Apple, and
Google, but doing so will help encourage those who find issues to
edit.

If the Foundation doesn't make attribution or at least article date a
requirement, then they are actively opposing editor recruitment.


On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 7:34 PM, The Cunctator <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The copyright requirement isn't attribution; it's attribution and copyleft
> retention for derived works.
>
> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 12:28 AM, James Heilman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> It search result only contains a snippet (and thus is fair use). Plus
>> Google provide attribution in a lot of their results.
>>
>> J
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 1:03 PM, geni <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> > On 5 June 2017 at 18:32, The Cunctator <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > > Both Google and Graphiq are using pretty much the entire Wikipedia
>> corpus
>> > > for their results.
>> >
>> >
>> > However due to the way their output is structured it falls under "you
>> > can't copyright facts".
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > geni
>> >
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>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright enforcement?

Renée Bagslint
Does the Foundation have any standing to enforce the copyright, since that
belongs to the individual contributors?

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 12:12 AM, James Salsman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Attribution is often considered impractical, but providing the source
> date along with e.g. the article name can be used to derive the
> attribution, so it should be required. It's not just a good idea to
> require this information from content re-users like Amazon, Apple, and
> Google, but doing so will help encourage those who find issues to
> edit.
>
> If the Foundation doesn't make attribution or at least article date a
> requirement, then they are actively opposing editor recruitment.
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 7:34 PM, The Cunctator <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > The copyright requirement isn't attribution; it's attribution and
> copyleft
> > retention for derived works.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 12:28 AM, James Heilman <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> It search result only contains a snippet (and thus is fair use). Plus
> >> Google provide attribution in a lot of their results.
> >>
> >> J
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 1:03 PM, geni <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 5 June 2017 at 18:32, The Cunctator <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> > > Both Google and Graphiq are using pretty much the entire Wikipedia
> >> corpus
> >> > > for their results.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > However due to the way their output is structured it falls under "you
> >> > can't copyright facts".
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > geni
> >> >
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
> >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright enforcement?

Jonathan Cardy
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I wouldn't express it quite so bluntly, but agreed at a time when editing seems to have stabilised again after the 2015/16 rally, shifting the Foundation to a strategy of promoting compliance with both BY and SA would address a lot of problems. It is probably demotivating for editors to see their work used without attribution, and whilst a link back to Wikipedia is not as going to be as good as an edit button, we are greatly limiting ourselves if we rely on people coming directly to our sites and treat every extract from our sites as CC0 or Fair Use.

A few legal letters and maybe a court case a year should be easily affordable for the WMF and an excellent investment.

Regards

Jonathan

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> Attribution is often considered impractical, but providing the source
> date along with e.g. the article name can be used to derive the
> attribution, so it should be required. It's not just a good idea to
> require this information from content re-users like Amazon, Apple, and
> Google, but doing so will help encourage those who find issues to
> edit.
>
> If the Foundation doesn't make attribution or at least article date a
> requirement, then they are actively opposing editor recruitment.
>
>
>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 7:34 PM, The Cunctator <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> The copyright requirement isn't attribution; it's attribution and copyleft
>> retention for derived works.
>>
>>>
>>> --

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright enforcement?

The Cunctator
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Related, has there ever been any copyright enforcement for Wikipedia, or is
its copyleft a joke and it's functionally purely public domain?

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 7:42 AM, Renée Bagslint <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Does the Foundation have any standing to enforce the copyright, since that
> belongs to the individual contributors?
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 12:12 AM, James Salsman <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Attribution is often considered impractical, but providing the source
> > date along with e.g. the article name can be used to derive the
> > attribution, so it should be required. It's not just a good idea to
> > require this information from content re-users like Amazon, Apple, and
> > Google, but doing so will help encourage those who find issues to
> > edit.
> >
> > If the Foundation doesn't make attribution or at least article date a
> > requirement, then they are actively opposing editor recruitment.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 7:34 PM, The Cunctator <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > > The copyright requirement isn't attribution; it's attribution and
> > copyleft
> > > retention for derived works.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 12:28 AM, James Heilman <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> It search result only contains a snippet (and thus is fair use). Plus
> > >> Google provide attribution in a lot of their results.
> > >>
> > >> J
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 1:03 PM, geni <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On 5 June 2017 at 18:32, The Cunctator <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >> > > Both Google and Graphiq are using pretty much the entire Wikipedia
> > >> corpus
> > >> > > for their results.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > However due to the way their output is structured it falls under
> "you
> > >> > can't copyright facts".
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
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> > >> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright enforcement?

metasj
Editors used to do plenty by hand, if you recall. The on-wiki list of
mirrors and forks had compliance info, and individuals would reach out and
ask for license changes or takedowns.

Since having a legal team I don't know how these have happened, or which
individuals have made such claims & requests.

On Jan 29, 2018 10:19 AM, "The Cunctator" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Related, has there ever been any copyright enforcement for Wikipedia, or is
> its copyleft a joke and it's functionally purely public domain?
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 7:42 AM, Renée Bagslint <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Does the Foundation have any standing to enforce the copyright, since
> that
> > belongs to the individual contributors?
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 12:12 AM, James Salsman <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Attribution is often considered impractical, but providing the source
> > > date along with e.g. the article name can be used to derive the
> > > attribution, so it should be required. It's not just a good idea to
> > > require this information from content re-users like Amazon, Apple, and
> > > Google, but doing so will help encourage those who find issues to
> > > edit.
> > >
> > > If the Foundation doesn't make attribution or at least article date a
> > > requirement, then they are actively opposing editor recruitment.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 7:34 PM, The Cunctator <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > The copyright requirement isn't attribution; it's attribution and
> > > copyleft
> > > > retention for derived works.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 12:28 AM, James Heilman <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> It search result only contains a snippet (and thus is fair use).
> Plus
> > > >> Google provide attribution in a lot of their results.
> > > >>
> > > >> J
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 1:03 PM, geni <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > On 5 June 2017 at 18:32, The Cunctator <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > > >> > > Both Google and Graphiq are using pretty much the entire
> Wikipedia
> > > >> corpus
> > > >> > > for their results.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > However due to the way their output is structured it falls under
> > "you
> > > >> > can't copyright facts".
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright enforcement?

The Cunctator
Thanks. I've added entries for Google Knowledge Graph and various Google
derivative products, which have varying quality of attribution and license
information and license. None appear to be fully compliant.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:29 PM, Samuel Klein <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Editors used to do plenty by hand, if you recall. The on-wiki list of
> mirrors and forks had compliance info, and individuals would reach out and
> ask for license changes or takedowns.
>
> Since having a legal team I don't know how these have happened, or which
> individuals have made such claims & requests.
>
> On Jan 29, 2018 10:19 AM, "The Cunctator" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Related, has there ever been any copyright enforcement for Wikipedia, or
> is
> > its copyleft a joke and it's functionally purely public domain?
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 7:42 AM, Renée Bagslint <[hidden email]
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Does the Foundation have any standing to enforce the copyright, since
> > that
> > > belongs to the individual contributors?
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 12:12 AM, James Salsman <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Attribution is often considered impractical, but providing the source
> > > > date along with e.g. the article name can be used to derive the
> > > > attribution, so it should be required. It's not just a good idea to
> > > > require this information from content re-users like Amazon, Apple,
> and
> > > > Google, but doing so will help encourage those who find issues to
> > > > edit.
> > > >
> > > > If the Foundation doesn't make attribution or at least article date a
> > > > requirement, then they are actively opposing editor recruitment.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 7:34 PM, The Cunctator <[hidden email]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > The copyright requirement isn't attribution; it's attribution and
> > > > copyleft
> > > > > retention for derived works.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 12:28 AM, James Heilman <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> It search result only contains a snippet (and thus is fair use).
> > Plus
> > > > >> Google provide attribution in a lot of their results.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> J
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 1:03 PM, geni <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > On 5 June 2017 at 18:32, The Cunctator <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > > > >> > > Both Google and Graphiq are using pretty much the entire
> > Wikipedia
> > > > >> corpus
> > > > >> > > for their results.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > However due to the way their output is structured it falls under
> > > "you
> > > > >> > can't copyright facts".
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> > geni
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > _______________________________________________
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