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[Wikimedia-l] FW: My final email

Peter Southwood
Is there any way to unsubscribe from these annoying and in my opinion misleading spam mails purporting to come from Jimmy Wales without unsubscribing from any other Wikimedia mailing lists or e-mail notifications?

Cheers,

Peter

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 10:01 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: My final email

 

Inside this email: fun fact from Wikipedia




 <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email3&utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=1>


 

Dear Peter,

When the clock strikes midnight, our email fundraiser will end — but we haven't yet hit our goal. Please take one minute to renew your R 50 <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email3&utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=2>  donation to Wikipedia.

If all our past donors simply gave again today, we wouldn't have to worry about fundraising for the rest of the year.

We’re a small nonprofit. We’re independent. We don’t run ads or sell services to our readers. Though our size requires us to maintain the server space and programming power of a top site, we are sustained by the support of our donors who give an average of about R 175. This year, will you take one minute to keep our work going?



 <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email2&utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=b1> R 50 »

 


 <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email2&utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=b2> R 100 »

 



 <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email2&utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=b3> R 300 »

 


 <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email2&utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=b4> Other »

 



 <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email2&utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=5&preSelect=50.00> Renew your donation: R 50 »

Thank you,
Jimmy Wales
Wikipedia Founder



 <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email3&utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=4> DONATE NOW »


 

 

 



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FW: My final email

Craig Franklin
Well, he *did* say it was his final email!

I'd imagine the unsubscribe link would get you off the "former donors we
can spam" list without removing you from this august list.

Cheers,
Craig

On 17 August 2016 at 18:52, Peter Southwood <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Is there any way to unsubscribe from these annoying and in my opinion
> misleading spam mails purporting to come from Jimmy Wales without
> unsubscribing from any other Wikimedia mailing lists or e-mail
> notifications?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 10:01 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: My final email
>
>
>
> Inside this email: fun fact from Wikipedia
>
>
>
>
>  <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email3&
> utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=
> sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=1>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Peter,
>
> When the clock strikes midnight, our email fundraiser will end — but we
> haven't yet hit our goal. Please take one minute to renew your R 50 <
> https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email3&
> utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=
> sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=2>  donation
> to Wikipedia.
>
> If all our past donors simply gave again today, we wouldn't have to worry
> about fundraising for the rest of the year.
>
> We’re a small nonprofit. We’re independent. We don’t run ads or sell
> services to our readers. Though our size requires us to maintain the server
> space and programming power of a top site, we are sustained by the support
> of our donors who give an average of about R 175. This year, will you take
> one minute to keep our work going?
>
>
>
>  <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email2&
> utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=
> sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=b1> R 50 »
>
>
>
>
>  <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email2&
> utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=
> sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=b2> R 100 »
>
>
>
>
>
>  <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email2&
> utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=
> sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=b3> R 300 »
>
>
>
>
>  <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email2&
> utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=
> sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=b4> Other »
>
>
>
>
>
>  <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email2&
> utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=
> sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=
> 5&preSelect=50.00> Renew your donation: R 50 »
>
> Thank you,
> Jimmy Wales
> Wikipedia Founder
>
>
>
>  <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email3&
> utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=
> sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=4> DONATE NOW »
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> You are receiving this email at [hidden email] as a valued
> donor of the Wikimedia Foundation. If you do not wish to receive any future
> emails from the Wikimedia Foundation, unsubscribe instantly <
> https://www.pages04.net/wikimedia/WMFUnsubscribe/Unsubscribe?spMailingID=
> 52077018&spUserID=Mzk5NjI0Mzk2ODUS1&spJobID=OTgyOTg3MDUyS0&spReportId=
> OTgyOTg3MDUyS0> .
>
> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
> P.O. ‌Box 98‌204
> Was‌hington, D‌C 200‌90-8204
> United S‌tates of America
>
> enZAC1617
>
>   <http://links.wikimedia.mkt4477.com/open/log/52077018/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FW: My final email

John Mark Vandenberg
In reply to this post by Peter Southwood
What is https://www.pages04.net/ ?

WMF has given them a copy of (a subset of..?) the donor email list, as
this link has Peter's email address on the page:

https://www.pages04.net/wikimedia/WMFUnsubscribe/Unsubscribe?spMailingID=52077018&spUserID=Mzk5NjI0Mzk2ODUS1&spJobID=OTgyOTg3MDUyS0&spReportId=OTgyOTg3MDUyS0

If you dont want to try that link, the following will give you a
general idea of the form donors are being directed to:

https://www.pages04.net/wikimedia/WMFUnsubscribe/

--
John Vandenberg

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FW: My final email

Peter Southwood
In reply to this post by Craig Franklin
Every year he says it is the final email, so far that has not turned out to be the case.
If I click on the unsubscribe link and it actually does what it claims, it will be a serious inconvenience to me.
Cheers,
peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Craig Franklin
Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 10:57 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] FW: My final email

Well, he *did* say it was his final email!

I'd imagine the unsubscribe link would get you off the "former donors we can spam" list without removing you from this august list.

Cheers,
Craig

On 17 August 2016 at 18:52, Peter Southwood <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Is there any way to unsubscribe from these annoying and in my opinion
> misleading spam mails purporting to come from Jimmy Wales without
> unsubscribing from any other Wikimedia mailing lists or e-mail
> notifications?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 10:01 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: My final email
>
>
>
> Inside this email: fun fact from Wikipedia
>
>
>
>
>  <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email3&
> utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=
> sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=1>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Peter,
>
> When the clock strikes midnight, our email fundraiser will end — but
> we haven't yet hit our goal. Please take one minute to renew your R 50
> < https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email3&
> utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=
> sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=2>  
> donation to Wikipedia.
>
> If all our past donors simply gave again today, we wouldn't have to
> worry about fundraising for the rest of the year.
>
> We’re a small nonprofit. We’re independent. We don’t run ads or sell
> services to our readers. Though our size requires us to maintain the
> server space and programming power of a top site, we are sustained by
> the support of our donors who give an average of about R 175. This
> year, will you take one minute to keep our work going?
>
>
>
>  <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email2&
> utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=
> sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=b1> R 50 »
>
>
>
>
>  <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email2&
> utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=
> sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=b2> R 100 »
>
>
>
>
>
>  <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email2&
> utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=
> sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=b3> R 300 »
>
>
>
>
>  <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email2&
> utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=
> sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=b4> Other »
>
>
>
>
>
>  <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email2&
> utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=
> sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=
> 5&preSelect=50.00> Renew your donation: R 50 »
>
> Thank you,
> Jimmy Wales
> Wikipedia Founder
>
>
>
>  <https://donate.wikimedia.org/?utm_campaign=C1617_Email3&
> utm_medium=email&appeal=Appeal-JimmyQuote&utm_source=
> sp52077018&hpc=35.00&uselang=en&contact_id=7476197&link_id=4> DONATE
> NOW »
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> You are receiving this email at [hidden email] as a
> valued donor of the Wikimedia Foundation. If you do not wish to
> receive any future emails from the Wikimedia Foundation, unsubscribe
> instantly <
> https://www.pages04.net/wikimedia/WMFUnsubscribe/Unsubscribe?spMailing
> ID=
> 52077018&spUserID=Mzk5NjI0Mzk2ODUS1&spJobID=OTgyOTg3MDUyS0&spReportId=
> OTgyOTg3MDUyS0> .
>
> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
> P.O. ‌Box 98‌204
> Was‌hington, D‌C 200‌90-8204
> United S‌tates of America
>
> enZAC1617
>
>   <http://links.wikimedia.mkt4477.com/open/log/52077018/
> Mzk5NjI0Mzk2ODUS1/0/OTgyOTg3MDUyS0/1/0>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FW: My final email

Peter Southwood
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That link says "Unsubscribe from Wikimedia Email" I am subscribed to a whole lot of email from Wikimedia. I only want to unsubscribe from that specific one.
Problem? Vague and unspecific information and suggestion of possible unspecified consequences. Unfortunately this is the kind of language I have come to expect from Jimmy, and why I don't take anything he writes at face value.
Cheers,
Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of John Mark Vandenberg
Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 11:31 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] FW: My final email

What is https://www.pages04.net/ ?

WMF has given them a copy of (a subset of..?) the donor email list, as this link has Peter's email address on the page:

https://www.pages04.net/wikimedia/WMFUnsubscribe/Unsubscribe?spMailingID=52077018&spUserID=Mzk5NjI0Mzk2ODUS1&spJobID=OTgyOTg3MDUyS0&spReportId=OTgyOTg3MDUyS0

If you dont want to try that link, the following will give you a general idea of the form donors are being directed to:

https://www.pages04.net/wikimedia/WMFUnsubscribe/

--
John Vandenberg

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FW: My final email

Joseph Seddon-6
Hey Peter,

So you can unsubscribe from the fundraising and WMF newsletter emails via
that form and you will remain on lists such as Wikimedia-l.

Hope that helps.

Regards
Seddon

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Peter Southwood <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> That link says "Unsubscribe from Wikimedia Email" I am subscribed to a
> whole lot of email from Wikimedia. I only want to unsubscribe from that
> specific one.
> Problem? Vague and unspecific information and suggestion of possible
> unspecified consequences. Unfortunately this is the kind of language I have
> come to expect from Jimmy, and why I don't take anything he writes at face
> value.
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> Behalf Of John Mark Vandenberg
> Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 11:31 AM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] FW: My final email
>
> What is https://www.pages04.net/ ?
>
> WMF has given them a copy of (a subset of..?) the donor email list, as
> this link has Peter's email address on the page:
>
> https://www.pages04.net/wikimedia/WMFUnsubscribe/Unsubscribe?spMailingID=
> 52077018&spUserID=Mzk5NjI0Mzk2ODUS1&spJobID=OTgyOTg3MDUyS0&spReportId=
> OTgyOTg3MDUyS0
>
> If you dont want to try that link, the following will give you a general
> idea of the form donors are being directed to:
>
> https://www.pages04.net/wikimedia/WMFUnsubscribe/
>
> --
> John Vandenberg
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FW: My final email

Lodewijk
And, I presume, password reminders, Wikipedia system emails, talkpage
notification emails, incidental invitations for research participation etc?
That would at least be the by me expected behaviour.

I guess there's a more accurate description for the unsubscribe link
imaginable in that case though :) (for future improvements)

Lodewijk

2016-08-17 14:39 GMT+02:00 Joseph Seddon <[hidden email]>:

> Hey Peter,
>
> So you can unsubscribe from the fundraising and WMF newsletter emails via
> that form and you will remain on lists such as Wikimedia-l.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Regards
> Seddon
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Peter Southwood <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > That link says "Unsubscribe from Wikimedia Email" I am subscribed to a
> > whole lot of email from Wikimedia. I only want to unsubscribe from that
> > specific one.
> > Problem? Vague and unspecific information and suggestion of possible
> > unspecified consequences. Unfortunately this is the kind of language I
> have
> > come to expect from Jimmy, and why I don't take anything he writes at
> face
> > value.
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:[hidden email]] On
> > Behalf Of John Mark Vandenberg
> > Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2016 11:31 AM
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] FW: My final email
> >
> > What is https://www.pages04.net/ ?
> >
> > WMF has given them a copy of (a subset of..?) the donor email list, as
> > this link has Peter's email address on the page:
> >
> > https://www.pages04.net/wikimedia/WMFUnsubscribe/
> Unsubscribe?spMailingID=
> > 52077018&spUserID=Mzk5NjI0Mzk2ODUS1&spJobID=OTgyOTg3MDUyS0&spReportId=
> > OTgyOTg3MDUyS0
> >
> > If you dont want to try that link, the following will give you a general
> > idea of the form donors are being directed to:
> >
> > https://www.pages04.net/wikimedia/WMFUnsubscribe/
> >
> > --
> > John Vandenberg
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/
> > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
> > New messages to: [hidden email]
> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
> > <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=unsubscribe>
> >
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> >
>
>
>
> --
> Seddon
>
> *Advancement Associate (Community Engagement)*
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FW: My final email

Marc-Andre
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On 2016-08-17 06:13 AM, Peter Southwood wrote:

> Problem? Vague and unspecific information and suggestion of possible unspecified consequences. Unfortunately this is the kind of language I have come to expect from Jimmy, and why I don't take anything he writes at face value.

The problem of that page's wording being rather vague and unclear about
what, exactly, you'd unsubscribe from is a genuine issue that needs
fixin' (that is, while what the intent is would be clear to technically
savvy people as illustrated by the responses on this very thread, it
clearly needs to be wordsmithed into making more sense).

That said, I'm pretty sure absolutely nobody sane believes Jimmy
personally sits down and writes bits of web interface used by
fundraising, so the dig at his expense is not only gratuitous, but
detracts from any point you were trying to make.

-- Coren / Marc


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FW: My final email

Caitlin Cogdill
Hi Peter,

I can appreciate that the text on the page seems vague in terms of defining
to what list the opt-out will apply. We're going to edit the header on the
page to specifically say "Fundraising email". I hope that helps clarify for
other donors on multiple Wikimedia lists.

Thanks,
Caitlin

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 7:03 AM, Marc-Andre <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 2016-08-17 06:13 AM, Peter Southwood wrote:
>
> Problem? Vague and unspecific information and suggestion of possible
>> unspecified consequences. Unfortunately this is the kind of language I have
>> come to expect from Jimmy, and why I don't take anything he writes at face
>> value.
>>
>
> The problem of that page's wording being rather vague and unclear about
> what, exactly, you'd unsubscribe from is a genuine issue that needs fixin'
> (that is, while what the intent is would be clear to technically savvy
> people as illustrated by the responses on this very thread, it clearly
> needs to be wordsmithed into making more sense).
>
> That said, I'm pretty sure absolutely nobody sane believes Jimmy
> personally sits down and writes bits of web interface used by fundraising,
> so the dig at his expense is not only gratuitous, but detracts from any
> point you were trying to make.
>
> -- Coren / Marc
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FW: My final email

Peter Southwood
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You know this to be the case?
Peter

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On 2016-08-17 06:13 AM, Peter Southwood wrote:

> Problem? Vague and unspecific information and suggestion of possible unspecified consequences. Unfortunately this is the kind of language I have come to expect from Jimmy, and why I don't take anything he writes at face value.

The problem of that page's wording being rather vague and unclear about what, exactly, you'd unsubscribe from is a genuine issue that needs fixin' (that is, while what the intent is would be clear to technically savvy people as illustrated by the responses on this very thread, it clearly needs to be wordsmithed into making more sense).

That said, I'm pretty sure absolutely nobody sane believes Jimmy personally sits down and writes bits of web interface used by fundraising, so the dig at his expense is not only gratuitous, but detracts from any point you were trying to make.

-- Coren / Marc


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FW: My final email

Peter Southwood
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Thank you Caitlin, that actually addresses the problem, and I think that will be a significant improvement. It would also be nice if I didn’t have to opt out of something I don’t think I ever opted into.
Cheers,
Peter

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Hi Peter,

I can appreciate that the text on the page seems vague in terms of defining to what list the opt-out will apply. We're going to edit the header on the page to specifically say "Fundraising email". I hope that helps clarify for other donors on multiple Wikimedia lists.

Thanks,
Caitlin

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 7:03 AM, Marc-Andre <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 2016-08-17 06:13 AM, Peter Southwood wrote:
>
> Problem? Vague and unspecific information and suggestion of possible
>> unspecified consequences. Unfortunately this is the kind of language
>> I have come to expect from Jimmy, and why I don't take anything he
>> writes at face value.
>>
>
> The problem of that page's wording being rather vague and unclear
> about what, exactly, you'd unsubscribe from is a genuine issue that needs fixin'
> (that is, while what the intent is would be clear to technically savvy
> people as illustrated by the responses on this very thread, it clearly
> needs to be wordsmithed into making more sense).
>
> That said, I'm pretty sure absolutely nobody sane believes Jimmy
> personally sits down and writes bits of web interface used by
> fundraising, so the dig at his expense is not only gratuitous, but
> detracts from any point you were trying to make.
>
> -- Coren / Marc
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FW: My final email

Craig Franklin
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Hi Caitlin,

I know you've already answered Peter's original question, but are you able
to answer John's question as well?

Cheers,
Craig Franklin

On 17 August 2016 at 19:31, John Mark Vandenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:

> What is https://www.pages04.net/ ?
>
> WMF has given them a copy of (a subset of..?) the donor email list, as
> this link has Peter's email address on the page:
>
> https://www.pages04.net/wikimedia/WMFUnsubscribe/Unsubscribe?spMailingID=
> 52077018&spUserID=Mzk5NjI0Mzk2ODUS1&spJobID=OTgyOTg3MDUyS0&spReportId=
> OTgyOTg3MDUyS0
>
> If you dont want to try that link, the following will give you a
> general idea of the form donors are being directed to:
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> https://www.pages04.net/wikimedia/WMFUnsubscribe/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FW: My final email

Caitlin Cogdill
Hi Craig, John,

https://www.pages04.net/wikimedia/WMFUnsubscribe/ is the unsubscribe page
hosted by our email service provider. We hope to migrate back to using page
hosted in-house (see T99821 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99821>),
however we've found for the time being that using our ESP's page has been
the safest way to manage unsubscribes, especially when sending to large
groups of people.

The link Peter provided populated his email address because it was tied to
his record in our email database. As he pointed out, we send a few emails a
year to each past donor, usually across a 1 month period, to prompt
renewing their donation. If they fill out that unsubscribe page, they won't
receive emails from the Fundraising team again unless they request to be
opted back in.

I hope that answers your questions.

Best,
Caitlin

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 6:05 AM, Craig Franklin <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Hi Caitlin,
>
> I know you've already answered Peter's original question, but are you able
> to answer John's question as well?
>
> Cheers,
> Craig Franklin
>
> On 17 August 2016 at 19:31, John Mark Vandenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> What is https://www.pages04.net/ ?
>>
>> WMF has given them a copy of (a subset of..?) the donor email list, as
>> this link has Peter's email address on the page:
>>
>> https://www.pages04.net/wikimedia/WMFUnsubscribe/Unsubscribe
>> ?spMailingID=52077018&spUserID=Mzk5NjI0Mzk2ODUS1&spJobID=OTgyOTg3MDUyS0&
>> spReportId=OTgyOTg3MDUyS0
>>
>> If you dont want to try that link, the following will give you a
>> general idea of the form donors are being directed to:
>>
>> https://www.pages04.net/wikimedia/WMFUnsubscribe/
>>
>> --
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