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[Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

Thomas Shafee
Hello Wikimedia-l,

This is a quick request for comment for those interested in codes of
conduct (relevant to user groups and possibly projects as well).

In collaboration with the Wikimedia Foundation’s trust and safety team, a
code of conduct has been drafted over the last few months for the WikiJournal
User Group <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group>. We
have drawn inspiration from CoCs used in different Wikimedia areas and open
projects (listed below the draft).

*Draft code of conduct available here*
<https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/Draft>

Everyone is welcome to provide suggestions over the next week on how to
improve it: please join the discussion here
<https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/Draft>
!

It has been written to be adaptable to other user groups, affiliates and
projects if they want to adapt & adopt something (generalised version
<https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/General>
).

The user group was We were initially aiming to vote on it in May, however
in order to give a bit more time for feedback, that's being extended to
early June.

Sincerely,

Thomas Shafee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

Shani Evenstein
Dear all,

To all those who care about making Wikimedia projects a safe and
harassment-free space, especially if you are coming from thematic User
Groups --
Please take a look at the Code of Conduct
<https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/Draft>
draft
for WikiJournals.

They have researched the topic of Code of Conduct quite extensively in and
outside the movement, and what they came up could potentially be used for
other affiliates.
I know I'll definitely promote that in the two User Groups I chair.

The group will be voting on it really soon, so thought I'd bring this to
your attention again, so anyone with a passion for community health will
have a chance to add comments in the discussion page
<https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/Draft>
.

Best,
Shani.

-----------------------------------------------
*Shani Evenstein Sigalov*
* Lecturer, Tel Aviv University.
* EdTech Innovation Strategist, NY/American Medical Program, Sackler School
of Medicine, Tel Aviv University.
* PhD Candidate, School of Education, Tel Aviv University.
* OER & Emerging Technologies Coordinator, UNESCO Chair
<https://education.tau.ac.il/node/3495> on Technology, Internationalization
and Education, School of Education, Tel Aviv University
<https://education.tau.ac.il/node/3495>.
* Chairperson, WikiProject Medicine Foundation
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Project_Med>.
* Chairperson, Wikipedia & Education User Group
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_%26_Education_User_Group>.
* Chairperson, The Hebrew Literature Digitization Society
<http://www.israelgives.org/amuta/580428621>.
* Chief Editor, Project Ben-Yehuda <http://bybe.benyehuda.org>.
+972-525640648


On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 9:34 AM Thomas Shafee <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Hello Wikimedia-l,
>
> This is a quick request for comment for those interested in codes of
> conduct (relevant to user groups and possibly projects as well).
>
> In collaboration with the Wikimedia Foundation’s trust and safety team, a
> code of conduct has been drafted over the last few months for the
> WikiJournal
> User Group <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group>. We
> have drawn inspiration from CoCs used in different Wikimedia areas and open
> projects (listed below the draft).
>
> *Draft code of conduct available here*
> <
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/Draft
> >
>
> Everyone is welcome to provide suggestions over the next week on how to
> improve it: please join the discussion here
> <
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/Draft
> >
> !
>
> It has been written to be adaptable to other user groups, affiliates and
> projects if they want to adapt & adopt something (generalised version
> <
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/General
> >
> ).
>
> The user group was We were initially aiming to vote on it in May, however
> in order to give a bit more time for feedback, that's being extended to
> early June.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Thomas Shafee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

Mister Thrapostibongles
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Thomas

An excellent idea, no doubt, but is multiplying codes of conduct really the
best way forward?  Would it not be better if the Foundation were to
promulgate a single code of conduct covering all its projects and spaces,
and then supplement that with individual guidelines in specific cases?

Thrapostibongles

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 7:34 AM Thomas Shafee <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Hello Wikimedia-l,
>
> This is a quick request for comment for those interested in codes of
> conduct (relevant to user groups and possibly projects as well).
>
> In collaboration with the Wikimedia Foundation’s trust and safety team, a
> code of conduct has been drafted over the last few months for the
> WikiJournal
> User Group <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group>. We
> have drawn inspiration from CoCs used in different Wikimedia areas and open
> projects (listed below the draft).
>
> *Draft code of conduct available here*
> <
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/Draft
> >
>
> Everyone is welcome to provide suggestions over the next week on how to
> improve it: please join the discussion here
> <
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/Draft
> >
> !
>
> It has been written to be adaptable to other user groups, affiliates and
> projects if they want to adapt & adopt something (generalised version
> <
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/General
> >
> ).
>
> The user group was We were initially aiming to vote on it in May, however
> in order to give a bit more time for feedback, that's being extended to
> early June.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Thomas Shafee
> _______________________________________________
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

Paulo Santos Perneta
In reply to this post by Shani Evenstein
Hi Shani,

I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a group or
community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the likes
of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration, promoting
racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance?

This is not a theoretical question, but a practical one, actually.

Best,
Paulo



Shani Evenstein <[hidden email]> escreveu no dia domingo, 26/05/2019
à(s) 21:58:

> Dear all,
>
> To all those who care about making Wikimedia projects a safe and
> harassment-free space, especially if you are coming from thematic User
> Groups --
> Please take a look at the Code of Conduct
> <
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/Draft
> >
> draft
> for WikiJournals.
>
> They have researched the topic of Code of Conduct quite extensively in and
> outside the movement, and what they came up could potentially be used for
> other affiliates.
> I know I'll definitely promote that in the two User Groups I chair.
>
> The group will be voting on it really soon, so thought I'd bring this to
> your attention again, so anyone with a passion for community health will
> have a chance to add comments in the discussion page
> <
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/Draft
> >
> .
>
> Best,
> Shani.
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> *Shani Evenstein Sigalov*
> * Lecturer, Tel Aviv University.
> * EdTech Innovation Strategist, NY/American Medical Program, Sackler School
> of Medicine, Tel Aviv University.
> * PhD Candidate, School of Education, Tel Aviv University.
> * OER & Emerging Technologies Coordinator, UNESCO Chair
> <https://education.tau.ac.il/node/3495> on Technology,
> Internationalization
> and Education, School of Education, Tel Aviv University
> <https://education.tau.ac.il/node/3495>.
> * Chairperson, WikiProject Medicine Foundation
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Project_Med>.
> * Chairperson, Wikipedia & Education User Group
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_%26_Education_User_Group>.
> * Chairperson, The Hebrew Literature Digitization Society
> <http://www.israelgives.org/amuta/580428621>.
> * Chief Editor, Project Ben-Yehuda <http://bybe.benyehuda.org>.
> +972-525640648
>
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 9:34 AM Thomas Shafee <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Wikimedia-l,
> >
> > This is a quick request for comment for those interested in codes of
> > conduct (relevant to user groups and possibly projects as well).
> >
> > In collaboration with the Wikimedia Foundation’s trust and safety team, a
> > code of conduct has been drafted over the last few months for the
> > WikiJournal
> > User Group <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group>. We
> > have drawn inspiration from CoCs used in different Wikimedia areas and
> open
> > projects (listed below the draft).
> >
> > *Draft code of conduct available here*
> > <
> >
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/Draft
> > >
> >
> > Everyone is welcome to provide suggestions over the next week on how to
> > improve it: please join the discussion here
> > <
> >
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/Draft
> > >
> > !
> >
> > It has been written to be adaptable to other user groups, affiliates and
> > projects if they want to adapt & adopt something (generalised version
> > <
> >
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/General
> > >
> > ).
> >
> > The user group was We were initially aiming to vote on it in May, however
> > in order to give a bit more time for feedback, that's being extended to
> > early June.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Thomas Shafee
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

Mister Thrapostibongles
Paulo

>
> I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a group or
> community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the likes
> of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration, promoting
> racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance?
>

Surely if a participant in a project is known to be an adherent of a
murderous ideology, with a history of genocide, that takes the view that a
certain class of person should be discriminated against, treated as
inferior or subject to violence or extermination -- then any member of the
class discriminated against would have reasonable, eve strong, grounds for
feeling threatened by that participation?

Thrapostibongles
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

camelia boban
I agree a unique, inconfondible and free of interpretations CoC to be
adopted by all UGs, as suggested by Thrapostibongles.

Camelia


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Il giorno mar 28 mag 2019 alle ore 17:33 Mister Thrapostibongles <
[hidden email]> ha scritto:

> Paulo
>
> >
> > I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a group
> or
> > community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the
> likes
> > of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration, promoting
> > racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance?
> >
>
> Surely if a participant in a project is known to be an adherent of a
> murderous ideology, with a history of genocide, that takes the view that a
> certain class of person should be discriminated against, treated as
> inferior or subject to violence or extermination -- then any member of the
> class discriminated against would have reasonable, eve strong, grounds for
> feeling threatened by that participation?
>
> Thrapostibongles
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

Dennis During
Is Wikimedia 'friendly' to or 'safe' for people who voted for, donated to,
or worked for Trump or Farage or Reagan or LePen or Berlusconi or Modi or
Bolsonaro or Orban or Bush or Thatcher or Churchill?

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 12:04 PM camelia boban <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> I agree a unique, inconfondible and free of interpretations CoC to be
> adopted by all UGs, as suggested by Thrapostibongles.
>
> Camelia
>
>
> --
> *Camelia Boban*
>
> *| Java EE Developer |*
> *Affiliations Committee - **Wikimedia *Foundation
> Coordinator - Diversity Working Group for Wikimedia Strategy 2030
> Chair & co-founder - WikiDonne User Group *| WikiDonne Project ideator*
>
> *Diversity Space @ Wikimania 2019 Co-Lead*
> WMIT - WMSE - WMCH - WMAR Member
>
> M. +39 3383385545
> [hidden email]
> *Aissa Technologies* <http://aissatechnologies.eu/>* | *Twitter
> <https://twitter.com/cameliaboban> *|* *LinkedIn
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/camelia-boban-31319122>*
> *Wikipedia <https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Camelia.boban> **|
> **WikiDonne
> UG <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiDonne>* | *WikiDonne Project
> <https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progetto:WikiDonne> *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Il giorno mar 28 mag 2019 alle ore 17:33 Mister Thrapostibongles <
> [hidden email]> ha scritto:
>
> > Paulo
> >
> > >
> > > I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a
> group
> > or
> > > community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the
> > likes
> > > of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration, promoting
> > > racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance?
> > >
> >
> > Surely if a participant in a project is known to be an adherent of a
> > murderous ideology, with a history of genocide, that takes the view that
> a
> > certain class of person should be discriminated against, treated as
> > inferior or subject to violence or extermination -- then any member of
> the
> > class discriminated against would have reasonable, eve strong, grounds
> for
> > feeling threatened by that participation?
> >
> > Thrapostibongles
> > _______________________________________________
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

Eduardo Testart
It should be, but I don't find this kind of comments particulary useful,
since they doesn't seem to contribute to the overall discussion.

I believe that a central or unique code of conduct that everyone adheres
to, should be the most efficient way to go, if any particulairties are
needed to be put in place, those should be adressed as such, particular
aditions due to a particular context.

Cheers!

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 5:14 PM Dennis During <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Is Wikimedia 'friendly' to or 'safe' for people who voted for, donated to,
> or worked for Trump or Farage or Reagan or LePen or Berlusconi or Modi or
> Bolsonaro or Orban or Bush or Thatcher or Churchill?
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 12:04 PM camelia boban <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > I agree a unique, inconfondible and free of interpretations CoC to be
> > adopted by all UGs, as suggested by Thrapostibongles.
> >
> > Camelia
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Camelia Boban*
> >
> > *| Java EE Developer |*
> > *Affiliations Committee - **Wikimedia *Foundation
> > Coordinator - Diversity Working Group for Wikimedia Strategy 2030
> > Chair & co-founder - WikiDonne User Group *| WikiDonne Project ideator*
> >
> > *Diversity Space @ Wikimania 2019 Co-Lead*
> > WMIT - WMSE - WMCH - WMAR Member
> >
> > M. +39 3383385545
> > [hidden email]
> > *Aissa Technologies* <http://aissatechnologies.eu/>* | *Twitter
> > <https://twitter.com/cameliaboban> *|* *LinkedIn
> > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/camelia-boban-31319122>*
> > *Wikipedia <https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Camelia.boban> **|
> > **WikiDonne
> > UG <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiDonne>* | *WikiDonne Project
> > <https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progetto:WikiDonne> *
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Il giorno mar 28 mag 2019 alle ore 17:33 Mister Thrapostibongles <
> > [hidden email]> ha scritto:
> >
> > > Paulo
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a
> > group
> > > or
> > > > community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the
> > > likes
> > > > of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration,
> promoting
> > > > racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Surely if a participant in a project is known to be an adherent of a
> > > murderous ideology, with a history of genocide, that takes the view
> that
> > a
> > > certain class of person should be discriminated against, treated as
> > > inferior or subject to violence or extermination -- then any member of
> > the
> > > class discriminated against would have reasonable, eve strong, grounds
> > for
> > > feeling threatened by that participation?
> > >
> > > Thrapostibongles
> > > _______________________________________________
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

Paulo Santos Perneta
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Hi Mister Thrapostibongles,

I would believe so. However, after knowing a case where a WMF staff was
fired after their denounce of such a situation caused a fuss in the target
community, I'm not so sure the WMF shares that understanding. Until there
is some strong standing from the WMF about such ideologies not being
allowed in our movement, to me that still is a grey area in the CoC.

Paulo

Mister Thrapostibongles <[hidden email]> escreveu no dia terça,
28/05/2019 à(s) 16:33:

> Paulo
>
> >
> > I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a group
> or
> > community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the
> likes
> > of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration, promoting
> > racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance?
> >
>
> Surely if a participant in a project is known to be an adherent of a
> murderous ideology, with a history of genocide, that takes the view that a
> certain class of person should be discriminated against, treated as
> inferior or subject to violence or extermination -- then any member of the
> class discriminated against would have reasonable, eve strong, grounds for
> feeling threatened by that participation?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

Dennis During
Would anyone care to specify or, at least, provide examples of "such
ideologies" as would not be "allowed in our movement"?

I have the feeling that the focus should not be on thoughts, beliefs, or
attitudes, but rather on behavior.

I get scared ("feel unsafe") whenever discussions take the turn that this
one has, condemning people for past beliefs, for example. I am already
feeling the silent menace of labellers on me for objecting to this line of
discussion.

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 6:16 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Mister Thrapostibongles,
>
> I would believe so. However, after knowing a case where a WMF staff was
> fired after their denounce of such a situation caused a fuss in the target
> community, I'm not so sure the WMF shares that understanding. Until there
> is some strong standing from the WMF about such ideologies not being
> allowed in our movement, to me that still is a grey area in the CoC.
>
> Paulo
>
> Mister Thrapostibongles <[hidden email]> escreveu no dia
> terça,
> 28/05/2019 à(s) 16:33:
>
> > Paulo
> >
> > >
> > > I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a
> group
> > or
> > > community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the
> > likes
> > > of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration, promoting
> > > racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance?
> > >
> >
> > Surely if a participant in a project is known to be an adherent of a
> > murderous ideology, with a history of genocide, that takes the view that
> a
> > certain class of person should be discriminated against, treated as
> > inferior or subject to violence or extermination -- then any member of
> the
> > class discriminated against would have reasonable, eve strong, grounds
> for
> > feeling threatened by that participation?
> >
> > Thrapostibongles
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

camelia boban
I do not understand how from a general proposal for a Code of Conduct for
user groups one goes on to talk about ideologies, personal retaliations,
irony about the politic situation of the countries of those who comment
etc.
Here we are discussing together whether or not we have a shared CoC.
We have different criteria for UG, do we have different rules for reports,
deadlines, obligations? No. So why not a CoC as much shared (and then maybe
specific CoCs for particular situations).
Sorry, but I don't see the meaning of this controversy.

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Il giorno mer 29 mag 2019 alle ore 05:22 Dennis During <[hidden email]>
ha scritto:

> Would anyone care to specify or, at least, provide examples of "such
> ideologies" as would not be "allowed in our movement"?
>
> I have the feeling that the focus should not be on thoughts, beliefs, or
> attitudes, but rather on behavior.
>
> I get scared ("feel unsafe") whenever discussions take the turn that this
> one has, condemning people for past beliefs, for example. I am already
> feeling the silent menace of labellers on me for objecting to this line of
> discussion.
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 6:16 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hi Mister Thrapostibongles,
> >
> > I would believe so. However, after knowing a case where a WMF staff was
> > fired after their denounce of such a situation caused a fuss in the
> target
> > community, I'm not so sure the WMF shares that understanding. Until there
> > is some strong standing from the WMF about such ideologies not being
> > allowed in our movement, to me that still is a grey area in the CoC.
> >
> > Paulo
> >
> > Mister Thrapostibongles <[hidden email]> escreveu no dia
> > terça,
> > 28/05/2019 à(s) 16:33:
> >
> > > Paulo
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a
> > group
> > > or
> > > > community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the
> > > likes
> > > > of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration,
> promoting
> > > > racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Surely if a participant in a project is known to be an adherent of a
> > > murderous ideology, with a history of genocide, that takes the view
> that
> > a
> > > certain class of person should be discriminated against, treated as
> > > inferior or subject to violence or extermination -- then any member of
> > the
> > > class discriminated against would have reasonable, eve strong, grounds
> > for
> > > feeling threatened by that participation?
> > >
> > > Thrapostibongles
> > > _______________________________________________
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