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[Wikimedia-l] First Wikimedia-related contributor Kickstarter?

Nathan Awrich
A post is live on Gizmodo today about a Commons contributor (Evan-Amos) who
takes high quality photos of video game systems and hardware.[1] Towards
the end it mentions that Evan started a Kickstarter to fund his efforts to
buy and photograph more systems as part of an online museum.[2]

Anyone know if this is the first Wikimedia-related Kickstarter campaign, or
has it happened before? What do people think about someone raising ~$13k to
contribute photos to Commons? How does that fit in the debate about paid
editing? To me it has a very different feel than, say, Wiki-PR. But...

[1]
http://gizmodo.com/how-i-became-gamings-most-popular-and-anonymous-photog-1456749754
[2]
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1699256938/the-vanamo-online-game-museum
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] First Wikimedia-related contributor Kickstarter?

metasj
That's the first one I have heard of.  Congratulations, Evan!  Kickstarters
such as this are fantastic, and I am glad to see it was successful.

The debate is (or should be) about paid advocacy, not paid editing.  Many
people are paid in part to help add free knowledge, often by popular
demand, to the commons.  Wiki-PR evaded the en:wp guidelines about paid
advocacy, published their own third-party articles to fake the appearance
of multiple independent sources, and used socks to hide their connection.
These are not comparable.

Sam.


On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Nathan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> A post is live on Gizmodo today about a Commons contributor (Evan-Amos) who
> takes high quality photos of video game systems and hardware.[1] Towards
> the end it mentions that Evan started a Kickstarter to fund his efforts to
> buy and photograph more systems as part of an online museum.[2]
>
> Anyone know if this is the first Wikimedia-related Kickstarter campaign, or
> has it happened before? What do people think about someone raising ~$13k to
> contribute photos to Commons? How does that fit in the debate about paid
> editing? To me it has a very different feel than, say, Wiki-PR. But...
>
> [1]
>
> http://gizmodo.com/how-i-became-gamings-most-popular-and-anonymous-photog-1456749754
> [2]
>
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1699256938/the-vanamo-online-game-museum
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] First Wikimedia-related contributor Kickstarter?

K. Peachey-2
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On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Nathan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Anyone know if this is the first Wikimedia-related Kickstarter campaign, or
> has it happened before? What do people think about someone raising ~$13k to
> contribute photos to Commons? How does that fit in the debate about paid
> editing? To me it has a very different feel than, say, Wiki-PR. But...
>

Depending on how that $13K is spent (eg: on better photography equipment)
WMAU does something similar for grants, have a look at
http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal:Camera_equipment_program
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] First Wikimedia-related contributor Kickstarter?

Tomasz Finc-2
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Very cool. As a big fan of video games, kick starter, and commons this is a
nice set of worlds colliding. Big props to Evan-Amos for the work he's
already done.

I'd love to get notifications when new images are contributed by him.
Currently I can go to Special:ListFiles to see what he's uploaded but that
requires an action from me.

Does anyone know if I can have echo notify me when a new upload by a
particular users occurs? Effectively I'd like to a notification and/or
stream of users I've followed on Commons so that I can then take those
images and use them on articles. If not maybe it'll be a fun side project
for me.

--tomasz

[1]  - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/Evan-Amos


On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Nathan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> A post is live on Gizmodo today about a Commons contributor (Evan-Amos) who
> takes high quality photos of video game systems and hardware.[1] Towards
> the end it mentions that Evan started a Kickstarter to fund his efforts to
> buy and photograph more systems as part of an online museum.[2]
>
> Anyone know if this is the first Wikimedia-related Kickstarter campaign, or
> has it happened before? What do people think about someone raising ~$13k to
> contribute photos to Commons? How does that fit in the debate about paid
> editing? To me it has a very different feel than, say, Wiki-PR. But...
>
> [1]
>
> http://gizmodo.com/how-i-became-gamings-most-popular-and-anonymous-photog-1456749754
> [2]
>
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1699256938/the-vanamo-online-game-museum
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] First Wikimedia-related contributor Kickstarter?

Steven Walling
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On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Nathan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> A post is live on Gizmodo today about a Commons contributor (Evan-Amos) who
> takes high quality photos of video game systems and hardware.[1] Towards
> the end it mentions that Evan started a Kickstarter to fund his efforts to
> buy and photograph more systems as part of an online museum.[2]
>
> Anyone know if this is the first Wikimedia-related Kickstarter campaign, or
> has it happened before? What do people think about someone raising ~$13k to
> contribute photos to Commons? How does that fit in the debate about paid
> editing? To me it has a very different feel than, say, Wiki-PR. But...
>
> [1]
>
> http://gizmodo.com/how-i-became-gamings-most-popular-and-anonymous-photog-1456749754
> [2]
>
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1699256938/the-vanamo-online-game-museum
>

This guy is a free culture badass. :-)

I wish more Commons contributors could promote and support their work like
this. This project makes me think about other high quality photo
collections, such as the many featured pictures of vintage computers or
rocks and minerals. The list goes on and on.

Like others have hinted at, both chapters and the WMF can potentially give
out grants to support photography projects like this. I wonder if Evan knew
that or considered it? I'd love to hear feedback from him about why he felt
Kickstarter was fruitful, and how it compares to our large grants
infrastructure in the Wikimedia movement.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] First Wikimedia-related contributor Kickstarter?

Nathan Awrich
I think this particular campaign seems to be really well structured, which
is clearly part of why it has such substantial support. But as a general
rule, not all Kickstarters are created equal - yet many attract money
regardless. Now that this new trend is kicked off, I'm a little concerned
about future efforts to raise money using work on Wikimedia projects as a
hook.

I'd much prefer to see this kind of stuff get done through grants that
responsible organizations administer and monitor, rather than in a sort of
free for all with no accountability. It may be worth it to think about some
guidelines for when the WMF will intervene against fundraisers using
Wikimedia trademarks in future Kickstarter campaigns.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] First Wikimedia-related contributor Kickstarter?

Emmanuel Engelhart-5
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Le 02/11/2013 00:51, Tomasz Finc a écrit :
> Does anyone know if I can have echo notify me when a new upload by a
> particular users occurs? Effectively I'd like to a notification and/or
> stream of users I've followed on Commons so that I can then take those
> images and use them on articles. If not maybe it'll be a fun side project
> for me.

We should have a feed for this. Something like this:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles/Evan-Amos&feed=atom

The best we can have currently is a filtered contribution feed, but this
is not the same:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Evan-Amos&feedformat=atom&namespace=6

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Jan Ainali-2
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2013/11/1 Nathan <[hidden email]>

> Anyone know if this is the first Wikimedia-related Kickstarter campaign, or
> has it happened before?


Well, not on Kickstarter but on Indiegogo this Wikimedia related campaign
happened before:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-distribute-wikireaders-and-provide-an-opportunity-for-kids-to-learn/x/3197615

/Jan Ainali
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Seb35
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Le Sat, 02 Nov 2013 02:56:30 +0100, Steven Walling  
<[hidden email]> a écrit:

> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Nathan <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> A post is live on Gizmodo today about a Commons contributor (Evan-Amos)  
>> who
>> takes high quality photos of video game systems and hardware.[1] Towards
>> the end it mentions that Evan started a Kickstarter to fund his efforts  
>> to
>> buy and photograph more systems as part of an online museum.[2]
>>
>> Anyone know if this is the first Wikimedia-related Kickstarter  
>> campaign, or
>> has it happened before? What do people think about someone raising  
>> ~$13k to
>> contribute photos to Commons? How does that fit in the debate about paid
>> editing? To me it has a very different feel than, say, Wiki-PR. But...
>>
>> [1]
>>
>> http://gizmodo.com/how-i-became-gamings-most-popular-and-anonymous-photog-1456749754
>> [2]
>>
>> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1699256938/the-vanamo-online-game-museum
>>
>
> This guy is a free culture badass. :-)
>
> I wish more Commons contributors could promote and support their work  
> like
> this. This project makes me think about other high quality photo
> collections, such as the many featured pictures of vintage computers or
> rocks and minerals. The list goes on and on.
>
> Like others have hinted at, both chapters and the WMF can potentially  
> give
> out grants to support photography projects like this. I wonder if Evan  
> knew
> that or considered it? I'd love to hear feedback from him about why he  
> felt
> Kickstarter was fruitful, and how it compares to our large grants
> infrastructure in the Wikimedia movement.

A small point about possible explanation for using Kickstarter is to reach  
other communities/public than the traditional Wikimedia communities and  
framework. In this sense it is also an outreach channel.

I find this type of funding is original in our movement, and moreover the  
project appears to be conducted with a good quality, so why not?

~ Seb35

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