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[Wikimedia-l] [Fundraising 2013] Wikimedia France stepping back from payment processing

Christophe Henner-2
Hi everyone,

A quick email to announce and explain current WMFr payment processor status.

As some of you know, French regulations makes it hard to transfer ver
50% of the fund raised locally to an international organisation.

Until know, WMFr budget was always somewhat equal to 50% of the money
raised. Last year fundraising was "too" efficient in France and we've
reached the point when 50% of the funds raised in France are much more
than WMFr actual budget.

In face of that situation, Wikimedia France board has asked WMF to
stop being a payment processor in 2013, and that until we have found a
suitable solution to handle the movement needs. We already have
possible solutions, such as asking for having a "super charity" status
(reconnaissance d'utilité publique / being recognised as an
organisation for general good).

That process is a lengthy and over bureaucratic one, and we don't know
how fast it can get to obtain it.

In the coming month, WMFr will work with WMF on explaining to French
donors that they can't ask for tax deduction next year and handling
their requests.

As said last year in our letter to the board and ED of Wikimedia
Foundation, being a payment processor or not doesn't change whether
WMFr will support the localisation of the fundraising efforts.

Late 2012, WMFr board decided to start looking for external funding
sources. Removing ourselves will also allow us to dedicate more
resources to that activity.

Our hope is that in the coming months WMFr will have a stronger fiscal
position and will be able to ask to be a payment processor again because we
still believe that having local fundraising handled by local
organisations is more efficient and more sustainable on the long run.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask even offline if you
prefer to.

Best,

Christophe HENNER | Vice-chair
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraising 2013] Wikimedia France stepping back from payment processing

Fæ
On 29 April 2013 21:28, Christophe Henner
<[hidden email]> wrote:
...
> In face of that situation, Wikimedia France board has asked WMF to
> stop being a payment processor in 2013

Hi Christophe, thank you for giving this difficult decision some
suitable context, and for doing so openly and promptly.

Could someone advise me, is there an official table on meta showing
the current list of Chapters with payment processing agreements in
place for the 2013 fund raiser?

Independently of any hat I happen to be wearing, I am planning on
putting aside some volunteer time to examine the
"admin:fundraising:program" ratio for our organizations over the next
few months, so it makes sense to ensure this is achieved for the
current payment processors, rather than just those organizations that
are "easy" to find the figures for or come forward spontaneously. I
would support other sensible top level performance indicators should
they be identified and become available soon, FDC members may have
a view on what might work well as the "top 5" indicators. Hopefully at
least the admin ratio can be publicly shared before October this year to
help foster a pragmatic discussion on simple dashboards and governance.

I'm hoping that the WMF can set a lead by publishing a calculation of
admin ratio for themselves. ;-)

PS staff salaries are not all automatically 'admin', I hope we can
agree that some
program activities are entirely justifiably supported by paid staff
and contractors.

Thanks,
Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraising 2013] Wikimedia France stepping back from payment processing

Dan Rosenthal
Christophe,

About this "reconnaissance d'utilite publique" or "supercharity" concept;
is there a link to an analysis (preferable) or even just the text of the
law/provision/regulation? Even one in French only would be OK, I'm just
curious to know more about how it works in practice.

-Dan

Dan Rosenthal


On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Fae <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 29 April 2013 21:28, Christophe Henner
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> ...
> > In face of that situation, Wikimedia France board has asked WMF to
> > stop being a payment processor in 2013
>
> Hi Christophe, thank you for giving this difficult decision some
> suitable context, and for doing so openly and promptly.
>
> Could someone advise me, is there an official table on meta showing
> the current list of Chapters with payment processing agreements in
> place for the 2013 fund raiser?
>
> Independently of any hat I happen to be wearing, I am planning on
> putting aside some volunteer time to examine the
> "admin:fundraising:program" ratio for our organizations over the next
> few months, so it makes sense to ensure this is achieved for the
> current payment processors, rather than just those organizations that
> are "easy" to find the figures for or come forward spontaneously. I
> would support other sensible top level performance indicators should
> they be identified and become available soon, FDC members may have
> a view on what might work well as the "top 5" indicators. Hopefully at
> least the admin ratio can be publicly shared before October this year to
> help foster a pragmatic discussion on simple dashboards and governance.
>
> I'm hoping that the WMF can set a lead by publishing a calculation of
> admin ratio for themselves. ;-)
>
> PS staff salaries are not all automatically 'admin', I hope we can
> agree that some
> program activities are entirely justifiably supported by paid staff
> and contractors.
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraising 2013] Wikimedia France stepping back from payment processing

Charles Andrès-2
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AFAIK , WMDE and WMCH are the last  ones. I do not remember an announce about WMUK for the next fundraising.

but I don't understand what's the link with the FDC. In general I would encourage to avoid to speak about paiement processing out of its specific context, that's mean fundraising process only.


Cheers


Charles

Le 30 avr. 2013 à 12:00, Fae <[hidden email]> a écrit :

> On 29 April 2013 21:28, Christophe Henner
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> ...
>> In face of that situation, Wikimedia France board has asked WMF to
>> stop being a payment processor in 2013
>
> Hi Christophe, thank you for giving this difficult decision some
> suitable context, and for doing so openly and promptly.
>
> Could someone advise me, is there an official table on meta showing
> the current list of Chapters with payment processing agreements in
> place for the 2013 fund raiser?
>
> Independently of any hat I happen to be wearing, I am planning on
> putting aside some volunteer time to examine the
> "admin:fundraising:program" ratio for our organizations over the next
> few months, so it makes sense to ensure this is achieved for the
> current payment processors, rather than just those organizations that
> are "easy" to find the figures for or come forward spontaneously. I
> would support other sensible top level performance indicators should
> they be identified and become available soon, FDC members may have
> a view on what might work well as the "top 5" indicators. Hopefully at
> least the admin ratio can be publicly shared before October this year to
> help foster a pragmatic discussion on simple dashboards and governance.
>
> I'm hoping that the WMF can set a lead by publishing a calculation of
> admin ratio for themselves. ;-)
>
> PS staff salaries are not all automatically 'admin', I hope we can
> agree that some
> program activities are entirely justifiably supported by paid staff
> and contractors.
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
> --
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> Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/mfae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraising 2013] Wikimedia France stepping back from payment processing

Christophe Henner
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Hey Dan,

Sure : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconnaissance_d'utilit%C3%A9_publique
and http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/associations/F1131.xhtml

In France all associations are, a priori, charities. The french fiscal
services can withdraw that status for many reasons. One of them is if
they believe the money raised using tax deductibility is not
supporting french citizen/culture enough. Once you have that
recognition, this charity status is much much harder to remove.

We've been planning to ask for that status in 2013 for few month,
Sébastien Baijard, our fundraiser, had that as one of his goal when
hired. We didn't before because the process is a really complex one.
We actually rewrote our bylaws in 2010 and 2011 to best fit RUP needs
(it includes information about board member being forbiden to get
paid, the rules for employees to run for board once they leave their
paid job in the association, and other informations like that).

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask
--
Christophe


On 30 April 2013 12:37, Dan Rosenthal <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Christophe,
>
> About this "reconnaissance d'utilite publique" or "supercharity" concept;
> is there a link to an analysis (preferable) or even just the text of the
> law/provision/regulation? Even one in French only would be OK, I'm just
> curious to know more about how it works in practice.
>
> -Dan
>
> Dan Rosenthal
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Fae <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 29 April 2013 21:28, Christophe Henner
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> ...
>> > In face of that situation, Wikimedia France board has asked WMF to
>> > stop being a payment processor in 2013
>>
>> Hi Christophe, thank you for giving this difficult decision some
>> suitable context, and for doing so openly and promptly.
>>
>> Could someone advise me, is there an official table on meta showing
>> the current list of Chapters with payment processing agreements in
>> place for the 2013 fund raiser?
>>
>> Independently of any hat I happen to be wearing, I am planning on
>> putting aside some volunteer time to examine the
>> "admin:fundraising:program" ratio for our organizations over the next
>> few months, so it makes sense to ensure this is achieved for the
>> current payment processors, rather than just those organizations that
>> are "easy" to find the figures for or come forward spontaneously. I
>> would support other sensible top level performance indicators should
>> they be identified and become available soon, FDC members may have
>> a view on what might work well as the "top 5" indicators. Hopefully at
>> least the admin ratio can be publicly shared before October this year to
>> help foster a pragmatic discussion on simple dashboards and governance.
>>
>> I'm hoping that the WMF can set a lead by publishing a calculation of
>> admin ratio for themselves. ;-)
>>
>> PS staff salaries are not all automatically 'admin', I hope we can
>> agree that some
>> program activities are entirely justifiably supported by paid staff
>> and contractors.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Fae
>> --
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>> Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/mfae
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraising 2013] Wikimedia France stepping back from payment processing

Bishakha Datta
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On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Fae <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'm hoping that the WMF can set a lead by publishing a calculation of
> admin ratio for themselves. ;-)
>
> PS staff salaries are not all automatically 'admin', I hope we can
> agree that some
> program activities are entirely justifiably supported by paid staff
> and contractors.
>
> This is tangential to the main thread, but relevant to this point. Fully
agree that all staff salaries are not automatically 'admin'. Some
institutional donors outside the wikiverse are now asking for
activity-based budgets instead of traditional line item budgets to separate
salaries into 'admin' and 'programmatic'. So in this kind of budget, a
programmatic salary is budgeted under that programmatic activity along with
other program components as programmatic input (and often called a 'program
resource', rather than a salary, which is somewhat vague.)

But just wanted to make the point that donors are recognizing this issue
overall, specially since some program activities are labour or
human-intensive.

Best
Bishakha
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