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[Wikimedia-l] wikimediafoundation.org coup: six months later

MZMcBride-2
Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote:
>for those of you who do not watch the RecentChanges on the Foundation
>wiki <https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges>, I
>think it might be somehow surprising to see that in a top-level
>decision, almost all volunteer administrators of the wiki have been
>stripped off their adminship yesterday evening (UTC time).

Sigh.

It's been about six months since Philippe and Gayle orchestrated and
executed this coup, removing every volunteer administrator without notice
or justification.

Gayle hasn't made any mailing lists posts or edits to that wiki in the
past few months. Philippe has made a handful of both. The wiki continues
to clutter up with thousands of dead, or worse, misleading pages. There
are even a couple still suggesting that donors send money to post office
boxes in Florida....

I think it's difficult to assume good faith when you can see how
interested Gayle or Philippe are in actually improving the wiki. Every
indication so far says that their actions were a hit and run. :-/

I think it might be a reasonable goal for 2014 to do away with the wiki.
Meta-Wiki will make a fine home.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] wikimediafoundation.org coup: six months later

metasj
Hello MZM,

> The wiki continues to clutter up

That's not quite apt. I see no backlog of requests for admin action, such
as pages proposed for deletion.
The number of admin actions of any sort has been low for years.  The change
in admins was a shift in policy, and resulted in some regular editors there
leaving; but the real issues are that a) translation isn't well-integrated
on that site, and b) most editors continue to be unable to edit at all,
including talk pages, thanks to restrictive account-creation policies.
 These require dev, not admin, help to fix.

Migrating all but the essential pages to Meta is a worthy idea, one
discussed for some time.  Every editor on that wiki can work on that.  Most
of the links on the main page already point to other wikis and wikimedia
sites.
Regards,
Sam.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] wikimediafoundation.org coup: six months later

MZMcBride-2
Hi.

Samuel Klein wrote:
>> The wiki continues to clutter up
>
>That's not quite apt. I see no backlog of requests for admin action, such
>as pages proposed for deletion.

With respect, the reality here is that there was a large ongoing cleanup
effort that got sidetracked by this coup.

The opening post, which quoted Tomasz, linked to
<https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges>,
which currently reads:

Maintenance: Deletion requests (7) · Proposed deletions (1,163)

There'd be a lot more proposed deletions (probably somewhere around
10,000) if all the volunteers hadn't been put out.

Leaving incorrect donation information and broken donation forms on the
site seems like a really bad idea. I think there's general agreement on
this point. Plus most of the donation infrastructure is supposed to have
moved to a separate wiki, as I understand it.

>Migrating all but the essential pages to Meta is a worthy idea, one
>discussed for some time.  Every editor on that wiki can work on that.

If we go in this direction, then we need to get serious about moving to
Meta-Wiki and do it systematically. I think making it a 2014 goal is a
reasonable timeframe.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] wikimediafoundation.org coup: six months later

Rschen7754
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Request_for_an_account_on_the_Foundation_wiki is quite backed up.

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On Nov 18, 2013, at 11:13 PM, MZMcBride <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Samuel Klein wrote:
>>> The wiki continues to clutter up
>>
>> That's not quite apt. I see no backlog of requests for admin action, such
>> as pages proposed for deletion.
>
> With respect, the reality here is that there was a large ongoing cleanup
> effort that got sidetracked by this coup.
>
> The opening post, which quoted Tomasz, linked to
> <https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges>,
> which currently reads:
>
> Maintenance: Deletion requests (7) · Proposed deletions (1,163)
>
> There'd be a lot more proposed deletions (probably somewhere around
> 10,000) if all the volunteers hadn't been put out.
>
> Leaving incorrect donation information and broken donation forms on the
> site seems like a really bad idea. I think there's general agreement on
> this point. Plus most of the donation infrastructure is supposed to have
> moved to a separate wiki, as I understand it.
>
>> Migrating all but the essential pages to Meta is a worthy idea, one
>> discussed for some time.  Every editor on that wiki can work on that.
>
> If we go in this direction, then we need to get serious about moving to
> Meta-Wiki and do it systematically. I think making it a 2014 goal is a
> reasonable timeframe.
>
> MZMcBride
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] wikimediafoundation.org coup: six months later

Federico Leva (Nemo)
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MZMcBride, 19/11/2013 04:59:
> I think it might be a reasonable goal for 2014 to do away with the wiki.
> Meta-Wiki will make a fine home.

+1. Nowadays, the most technical/scary HTML things are on donatewiki
anyway, I guess. Even while the foundationwiki zombie is still around,
Meta can immediately be used to improve content: 247 board resolutions
have been copied to Meta and are translatable there, all the policies
will join them soon.[0]
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MessageGroupStats/agg-WMF_Resolutions>

The 20+ private/restricted wikis[1] WMF has on its own are a serious
liability: they are impossible to maintain, there is a reason if
Nupedia's closed editing failed. ;-) WMF doesn't have capacity, so maybe
– as suggested by Luis in a copyright-related discussion[2] – they could
make some interns assess their content (what can become public, what
needs to stay private to the same group of people, what can be shared on
Internal) and then start consolidating stuff. Or even better, just merge
them all to Internal, moving each to its own namespace with WMDE's
Lockdown extension as interim solution; and move stuff there as needed.

Nemo

[0] If you can help with some copy and paste work, let us know at
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta_talk:Babylon>
[1] <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Private_wikis>
[2] <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45767#c9>

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] wikimediafoundation.org coup: six months later

metasj
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <[hidden email]>wrote:


> maybe – as suggested by Luis in a copyright-related discussion[2] – they
> could make some interns assess their content (what can become public, what
> needs to stay private to the same group of people, what can be shared on
> Internal) and then start consolidating stuff. Or even better, just merge
> them all to Internal, moving each to its own namespace with WMDE's Lockdown
> extension as interim solution; and move stuff there
>

This would be a fine use for Internal.   SJ
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